radical change in climatic conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic …. seals are finding the water too hot … well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared
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No problem, just have Hansen get in his Time & Temperature machine, and fix it.
“As far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes” – which would be hundreds of miles South of the ice edge at the minimum in the modern era.
The “minimum of the ice edge” isn’t a latitude, turkey lurkey
Sorry Charlie. NSIDC shows the furthest north 15% ice edge at 80N. These guys found ice-free 100 miles further north.
Here are maps, so that anybody who cares to check can see that you are lying:
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=10&fy=2011&sm=07&sd=15&sy=2012
jak, try to keep up
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/07/18/1935-russian-ship-sailed-500-miles-from-the-north-pole-in-ice-free-water/
The UIUC maps you linked don`t have latitude on them. What kind of goofball are you?
steven, the flow of BS is making it hard to keep up…
this map has latitude, but I don’t have the one from last year’s minimum.
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/arctic_SSMIS_nic.png
Never mind, it is quite clear.
I am unable to use this java gif to reproduce July 2011 to July 2012.
You are a liar and an idiot jak. Todays`satellite imagery shows that the furthest north ice-free water is at 80.6 N In 1935 Russians sailed 120 miles further north in ice-free water.
http://www.arctic.io/observations/16/2012-07-17/5-N79.087057-W5.11017
No it doesn’t.
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/arctic_SSMIS_nic.png
The lowest concentration the Bremen maps show is about 20%. It doesn`t show the ice-free edge.
Anyway, people sailed to 82.45 during 1935 in ice-free water. That latitude is about 80% concentration on your map. So give it up and admit that you are wrong and that you are full of shit.
I sat there for 5 minutes looking at Jak’s image trying to figure out what Jak meant
He meant, 80%, not 0%
80% is ice free I think that’s a reasonable definition of “ice free”
The Arctic is ice-free when the amount of ice equals the area of Texas.
I’m glad a submarine broke through ice at the North Pole many yeas ago, if they did that today, the screaming would be intolerable. The UN would declare war on the West
Your move, jak.
Jak routinely swims into shark infested waters, apparently he gets a kick out of baiting sharks and trying to swim off unscathed.
But at least Goddard lets him post, Real Climate etc won’t even print anything I have to say
i really don’t care if we see an ice free arctic..it will freeze up again in winter.. probably did that in earth’s history….would be kinda neat too to say we saw a ice free arctic…
Not going to happen …..
yes agreed, won’t happen…heading out on vacation Steve, but will catch up on the posting when i get to the lake and beer in hand! keep up the posts, enjoy reading them and posting the odd comment….
Never say never. I think it could happen with an additional 20 deg. obliquity, or a magnetic pole reversal (and the resulting geotectonic upheaval).
CO2 in the air could cause either one of these things to happen