Socialized Medicine : 100 Times More Dangerous Than A Madman With A Rifle

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3,000 more patients have died needlessly in hospital – Telegraph

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20 Responses to Socialized Medicine : 100 Times More Dangerous Than A Madman With A Rifle

  1. omanuel says:

    You are exactly right, Steven. We have a tyrannical government running the show that is not trustworthy. The first unambiguous evidence surfaced in late Nov 2009: Climatebgate emails revealed convincing evidence our government was deceiving the public about global temperatures.

    Subsequent events confirmed the initial suspicion beyond any reasonable doubt and the active involvement of leading figures in both political parties, economic, financial, news, and scientific organizations.

    Today we can confidently conclude the Climategate scandal is the result of sixty-four years of anesthetizing mental sloth and consensus science under a tyrannical one-world government following the establishment of the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 (2009 – 1945 = 64 years):

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2339

    Why? “Nuclear fires” that destroyed Hiroshima on 6 Aug 1945 and Nagasaki on 9 Aug 1945 frightened world leaders and convinced them to:

    _ a.) Establish the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945, and
    _ b.) Separate mankind from his Creator with a tyrannical UN.

    Sixty-four years later – in Nov 2009 – Climategate emails documented the damage to:

    _ c.) Democratic governments and
    _ d.) Government-financed science

    Why? “Nuclear fires” in the Sun’s pulsar core made our elements, birthed the solar system five billion years (5 Gyr) ago, sustained the origin and evolution of life from three-four billion years (~3.5 Gyr) ago, and endowed endowed mankind with special talents and inalienable rights to establish governments to protect Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Conclusion to Climategate: “We are connected physically and spiritually to the Creator, Destroyer and Sustainer of lives and worlds at the core of the Sun. Fear of that source of energy [1] persuaded world leaders to insert, on 24 Oct 1945, the UN between mankind and the Creator that endowed us with inalienable rights to establish governments to protect our Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    References:

    1. Oliver K. Manuel, ”Neutron Repulsion”,
    The APEIRON Journal 19, 123-150 (2012):
    http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V19NO2pdf/V19N2MAN.pdf

  2. Brian says:

    I don’t want to become pill poppers like a few people I know and so I’m not much for medicine.

    • hpjunior says:

      I truly hope you don’t fall prey to some ailment that can only be managed with pills. Medicine isn’t only about pills, and pills are overwhelming beneficial, on balance.

      But, of course, please do rail against progress if you must. Consider the person with cardiac arrhythmia, a child with an under- or over-active thyroid gland: How noble would they be if they took your principled stand, and elected to die instead of becoming a pill-popper. After all, that’s what medicine’s all about, right? And that’s why you’re not “much for medicine.” It would make perfect sense to me — if I were drunk.

      • People were much healthier 50 years ago without the pills.

      • hpjunior says:

        People were healthier 50 years ago. People took fewer pills 50 years ago. Therefore, fewer pills equals a healthier population. Not even close to a reasonable thought pattern. The idiots who refuse medical care (which might include lifesaving pills) deserve whatever they get. However, their children decidedly do NOT deserve what they get, being dragged from shaman (anti-pill) to chiropractor (anti-pill) to Chinese medicine man (anti-pill who believes in the magic stuff they call homeopathy, and equally as bad (no, not worse), the imbeciles who take their kids to an evangelist, a “faith healer.”

      • Kolnai says:

        The important point about all therapies is the cure of the patient. So that is why we pay doctors – to understand and implement the best tested methods, bearing in mind the principle, ‘first do no harm’. This principle is thoroughly subverted in different ways in different countries.

        In the UK, pills are dished out promiscuously, for anything is preferable to costly and dangerous operations in dirty hospitals. But the technically insane argument against private provision is trotted out to prevent even self-purchased lifesaving drugs. In the US, as I understand it, arms and legs are routinely chopped off because insurance companies grow fat on the proceeds; and in France, the once WHO-recommended ‘best’ HS is now in free-fall due to its costs and the economic incompetence of French politicians.

        Behind the question of ‘how is it to be paid for?’ lurks an even thornier question. What philosophy of science will it adopt? I suspect part of the problem is that the putative (and ‘progressive’) belief in the ‘rule of experts’ is what we drives every HS to pay its doctors exorbitant wages which we teachers could only drool at. Again, we can expect no real information by a media driven by either the predominant political left or the minority right.

      • Doh Homer. I lived 50 years ago and people were much healthier. Obesity was almost non-existent.

    • hpjunior says:

      All red-haired women are sexy. My girlfriend is sexy. Therefore, my girlfriend has red hair. People were less prone to obesity 50 years ago, when they took fewer pills. More people are obese now than were obese 50 years ago. Therefore, pills cause obesity. Again, there are miraculous pills that give people life. To say you’re “not much for medicine,” merely because the genes you inherited have protected you (so far) from any ailment that requires maintenance therapy in the form of pills — well, that’s the height of inanity. Last word here for me. Clearly, I’m wrong, as I see the “consensus” is of another thought pattern. All bald men are (fill in the blank and create your own fallacy. It’s fun, a parent lee.).

    • hpjunior says:

      I believe the problem is in your febrile brain. Brian’s comment was about pill-poppers. I responded to that comment. Your comment is about increased obesity in the population, with a weak attempt to conflate the consumption of pills to that obesity. If our population is becoming morbidly obese as a result of popping pills, I think I would’ve heard about it by now.

      See, lemme ‘splain: The remedies for obesity (in more than 99% of the cases) are reducing caloric intake, while increasing physical activity. I’ll search the literature with a view to finding evidence that pills cause obesity, but I think it’s a futile effort. I’ll also look around to see if doctors and other specialists in obesity are recommending that people leave off their prescribed medication.

      All of us damned well know that some pills, particularly narcotic pain relievers, are dangerous to human life. By the same token, millions of people take beneficial pills every day, and would grow sick and die without them. The very idea that people who take pills are somehow morally inferior to the great Brian is, well, untrue.

      Pills don’t cause obesity. Obesity doesn’t cause one to want pills. Dependence on dangerous pills and obesity may share a common root, but neither is causative of the other. How hard is this? Pretty difficult, a parent lee.

    • hpjunior says:

      Oh, and I forgot to mention: I love this site, and the fact that you’re not afraid to see what you see (as Ronald Reagan recommended — particularly regarding data tampering), and you’re so committed to this incredibly important battle that you stood up on your hind legs and took action to combat some very dangerous (one way or another) and ideologically bent individuals and organizations.

      It certainly doesn’t hurt that your writing style is very accessible, whereas some of the more technically-oriented sites can be difficult to read and understand (although they’re wonderful, as well, and contribute in their own ways).

      I’ve visited here for years, and I won’t stop until I drop. I greatly appreciate this resource you’ve created, and I salute your persistence and perspicacity.

      • Thanks.

        I have a personal experience with medication vs. diet. If I eat dairy, my ankles swell and ache. About two or three times a year I forget and pay the price.

        My mother has a very severe case of rheumatoid arthritis which started at my age, and has largely crippled her. She has always been a huge consumer of dairy, and I have tried to convince her to stop – but to no avail. She now is completely dependent on medication.

        I hope to avoid this through watching my diet, and so far have been successful.

  3. Kolnai says:

    In the UK the NHS (often boasted about as the largest organisation in Europe!) is a religious icon of which no criticism is permitted. An outfit called NICE holds the power of life and death, eg,who will get the anti-cancer drugs etc. And private purchase of drugs is likewise verboten.

    But these (massive) failings do not in themselves justify the current arrangements in America, where there are many problems. Whilst I can see there are higher standards of care in the US, I’m not so clear about how they are paid for. As I understand things (admittedly sketchily), the system is expensive, expansive (too many operations etc.) and exclusive (little help for the poor). In addition, it seems, doctors have become ‘licensed drug peddlers’, in Dr Thomas Szasz’s words. Exactly as in the UK

    So the problem is the lack of an adult-size debate without slogans about philosophy, finance, licensing and expertise, and medical science. Until some sort of horrible collapse, this will never happen (I predict). It seems we can only learn from experience.

  4. Peter says:

    You all miss the point with social medicine. The key is the cost. When introduced, it will be wonderful. Then each year the funding given will fall behind what is needed. Over time, services have to be cut due to blown but still declining budgets. Need evidence, then look at every nation with socialised medicine. In my country, the very poor die very young and badly, the rich go private, but the middle class – they have to travel hundreds, even thousands of miles for treatment as local services are cut. My country is Australia, a relativly wealthy contry, but it happened in Europe, and many other places. One thing socialised medicine is good at and that is the annual statistics. Just hope you are rich enough to go private.

  5. Ray says:

    There is something seriously wrong with the NHS here in the U.K.
    Apparently nurses and doctors have to be reminded that it is their job to actually care for patients, not to kill them.
    This may be due to continuous meddling by politicians in the way hospitals are run.
    It makes me fear the prospect of ever having to spend any time in hospital in the U.K.

  6. Pathway says:

    This all coming to a hospital near you.

  7. tckev says:

    The problem with the British NHS is that it has become the new is the officially established British religion. Criticizing this government institution is close to blasphemy in Britain even when the evidence and data shows that things are very, very wrong.

  8. John F. Hultquist says:

    Following a Mitral Valve replacement via open heart surgery and serious complications from Heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT) my wife was in a re-hab place. The Nurses and staff were often making mistakes and only being constantly aware of what each pill was and looked like could my wife watch out for her own health. Some folks are not enough aware to do that. I feel sorry for them.

    And yes, she takes about a dozen different pills each day.

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