If You Like Your Crack, You Can Keep Your Crack

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27 Responses to If You Like Your Crack, You Can Keep Your Crack

  1. Raindog says:

    Besides the fact that most drug users should not be in prison, the sentencing for crack (whose users are predominantly black) is much longer than it is for cocaine (whose users are predominantly white).

    • Letting crack dealers out of jail is of course Obama’s highest priority.

      • Chuck says:

        Maybe if the users who buy crack (predominately black) had a better economy and didn’t suffer the highest unemployment rate of any racial group would be able to afford the “white stuff” and not be incarcerated so long? Maybe if Dear Leader focused “laser like” on the economy they could afford a lawyer and not be assigned a public defender? Food for thought.

    • & if the sentences for crack were less than for regular ol’ cocaine, it would be because (drum roll, please!)…

      …we hate black people & are trying to hook them on crack.

      Frankly, I can’t see why it should matter one way or another: everybody knows the stuff is illegal, if you don’t want to go to jail for buying, selling, or using crack, then don’t.

    • gofer says:

      The reason for the stiff sentences for crack was the extreme violence associated with it that was not associated with powered cocaine.

    • GoneWithTheWind says:

      The longer sentences for crack pushers was in response to the demands of blacks whose nieghborhoods were being destroyed by crack. It is often claimed it was some racist attempt to put black people in jail but it was a simple response to those who were beng hramed the most by it.

  2. gator69 says:

    Prohibition was, and still is, a massive failure.

    • One of my close friends died this year from liver cancer caused by hepatitis caused by a lifetime of drug addiction, caused by a single usage of cocaine in high school – which wrecked her life.

      • gator69 says:

        I cannot count the number of people I have known killed by alcohol over the years. Freedom means we are free to fail.

        • I don’t know anyone who became permanently addicted to alcohol after drinking a single beer in high school.

        • gator69 says:

          I don’t know anybody who became a drug addict from one use of cocaine.

        • Well I do. One of my best friends – who died from it this year, as I have been trying to explain.

        • gator69 says:

          If she had stopped after one, she would still be with us. Addictions start somewhere and usually end in death, no matter what the drug.

        • She was permanently physically addicted after one usage. This conversation is both annoying and offensive.

        • gator69 says:

          I do not mean to offend, only give perspective.

          In 2010 there were over 80,000 alcohol related deaths, versus around 17,000 from ALL illicit drugs. Alcohol is a drug.

        • gofer says:

          Around 1983, I was given some coke by, my now ex-wife, who died in 2006 at the age of 42. I knew immediately that if I ever used it again, it would be the end because it was a grandiose feeling, that I still remember. One dose could easily addict someone, especially a young person.

        • gator69 says:

          “According to the American Society of Addiction Medicine, the American Pain Society and the American Academy of Pain Medicine, development of addiction or addictive disorder is caused by a combination of exposure to a substance or activity that gives us pleasure and a genetic vulnerability that controls our drive to have more. Addiction is rooted in our genetics, our psychological development, social maturation and environmental factors that lead to excessive and prolonged usage, tolerance (and the need for more) and withdrawal (including anger, tension and depression) despite negative consequences of the behavior.”

          I grew up in the ‘sex drugs and rock and roll’ heyday. One of my best friends was a professional athlete who used cocaine on a regular basis, as did many with whom he competed. He is now a very successful director of a private organization that helps troubled kids.

          Some people have addiction in their genes, and some do not. My family has a history of alcoholism, my mother’s mother was placed in an orphanage during Prohibition because her father was a raging alcoholic and could not even care for himself. During my wild days I drank a fifth of rum a night, and never had a hangover, making it the perfect drug. But I soon realized that this was going to end badly and stopped on my own.

          I have many friends from my youth who did many drugs, and not one of them became an addict. In fact all are now successful in their business and personal lives. Blaming drugs is not the answer, if one wants to escape reality it can be done with anything from crack to alcohol to paint. Anyone who thinks banning drugs without banning alcohol is not being honest with themselves, or does not understand the problem of addiction.

          Violent video games are addictive, and linked to mass shootings, but I would never advocate for a ban on them. Drugs and violent video games (and pornography, et al) should be handled in the same way we handle alcohol, keep them out of the hands of minors and educate everyone of the dangers associated with them.

          There are no perfect solutions, but there is a better way, and we are smart enough to figure this out.

        • Ben says:

          Slightly different perspective:

          If we compiled data into a histogram of “number of uses before addiction”, we would end up with a rough bell curve, with some on the left tail addicted after a single use, and a few on the right tail who never get addicted, and have no trouble walking away. But most would be addicted after a very short number of uses.

          I think you are both right. Your sub-populations differ due to your own experiences.

          It took my Mom 35 years to quit drinking alcohol. I’m very proud of her.

        • gator69 says:

          “According to a study of 1081 US residents aged over 11 years who had used cocaine for the first time within 24 months prior to assessment, the risk of becoming cocaine-dependent within 2 years of first use (recent-onset) is 5-6%; after 10 years, it increases to 15-16%. These are the aggregate rates for all types of use considered, i.e., smoking, snorting, injecting. Among recent-onset users, the relative rates are higher for smoking (3.4 times) and much higher for injecting. They also vary, based on other characteristics, such as sex: among recent-onset users, women are 3.3 times more likely to become addicted, compared with men; age: among recent-onset users, those who started using at ages 12 or 13 were 4 times as likely to become addicted, compared with those who started between ages 18 and 20.[5]

          However, a study of non-deviant[nb 1] users in Amsterdam found “relative absence of destructive and compulsive use patterns over a ten year period” and concluded that cocaine users can and do exercise control. “Our respondents applied two basic types of controls to themselves: 1) restricting use to certain situations and to emotional states in which cocaine’s effects would be most positive, and 2) limiting mode of ingestion to snorting of modest amounts of cocaine, staying below 2.5 grams a week for some, and below 0.5 grams a week for most. Nevertheless, those whose use level exceeded 2.5 grams a week all returned to lower levels.”[6]”

          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_dependence

          I was staunchly against legalization until I read up on the facts. The facts tell us that when recreational drugs are legalized, addiction rates drop, as does saye, as does crime. And this is one of the reasons why I am now a staunch Libertarian.

        • gator69 says:

          iPhart! ‘As does usage’… Not sure what ‘saye’ is, or even what language.

        • david a says:

          Bingo. I have watched cocaine addicts move to crack; within a few months their mental process is permanently destroyed

    • klem says:

      But alcohol is a good drug. When I drink it, I feel a sense of well being.

      • Mike Genest says:

        I am smarter and prettier after a few drinks. Plus, I’m wittier and more fun to be with. My wife, on the other hand, gets grouchier after I’ve had a few, kinda the opposite of a “contact high”. I feel sorry for her.

  3. tom0mason says:

    It’s ObamaCare in action!

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