A Kook Classic

Kook claimed in 2010 that Antarctic sea ice was growing even as the seas around Antarctica were warming “faster than the global trend

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Watts Up With That’s ignorance regarding Antarctic sea ice

Only a  complete imbecile could convince himself that warmer water means more ice, and Kook might have thought to check a more respectable source like satellites, which show the seas around Antarctica have been cooling for almost 35 years.

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216 Responses to A Kook Classic

  1. philjourdan says:

    Warmer water does mean more ice! I always make ice cubes in my pot of boiling water!

    (Do I really need a /sarc tag?)

  2. Yeah. More warming means more rain, which freshens the sea water and causes it to freeze faster. 10 feet of rain makes 10 feet of sea ice…uh…

    No, that won’t work….the sea is stratified, uh…the water….hold on, no that won’t work…

    No, it’s the wind. More wind makes more ice….. blow away, no that won’t work….it blows away…

    Uh, glaciers are melting and sliding off Antarctica! That’s the ticket!

  3. Robertv says:

    Lots of complete imbeciles

    http://www.globeinternational.org/

    One World Government

  4. Bob Tisdale runs the SST’s each month, using Reynolds data.

    His graphs quite clearly show a decline in SST for the Southern Ocean since 1980.

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/12/30/no-antarctic-warming-since-1979/

  5. Edmonton Al says:

    That’s right. Every spring when the weather warms up, the ice on our lakes gets thicker and thicker.
    Thanks John Kook for explaning that for me. …..sarc

  6. Steve Case says:

    Goodness gracious, warmer water if it’s anything like a warmer world will definitely produce more ice, after all, Dr. John Holdren, President Obama’s science advisor recently said, “[W]hat we can expect as a result of global warming is to see more of this pattern of extreme cold”

    YouTube ID# 5eDTzV6a9F4

  7. You beat me to it Paul… Tisdale shows a clear step down around 2006 (which is shown on your site). Antarctica has been cooling for decades as O’Donnell 2010 showed. But check out Wikipedia, you’ll find the debunked Steig / Mann study, not O’Donnell’s.

    If you argue the “freshwater makes ice easier” idea, you’ll find that all the freshwater supposedly melting from the continent is still only a few mm thick. Well, that stuff must be like crude oil, because for that to be true, even a year of wind and wave action evidently can’t make that fresh water diffuse into the ocean surface. And yet it spreads out evenly all around the continent like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0PCHrHxISOQ/UQgK0vaBfxI/AAAAAAAAGsw/m7cF61mOQ80/s1600/Antarctic%2BIce%2Bfrom%2Bspace.jpg

    It’s absurd on too many levels. But it works exceptionally well on Obama voters.

  8. Clearly the increase in sea ice is caused by a decrease in sea ice:
    Zhang 2006:

    “Estimates of sea ice extent based on satellite observations show an increasing Antarctic sea ice cover from 1979 to 2004 even though in situ observations show a prevailing warming trend in both the atmosphere and the ocean. This riddle is explored here using a global multicategory thickness and enthalpy distribution sea ice model coupled to an ocean model. Forced by the NCEP–NCAR reanalysis data, the model simulates an increase of 0.20 × 1012 m3 yr−1 (1.0% yr−1) in total Antarctic sea ice volume and 0.084 × 1012 m2 yr−1 (0.6% yr−1) in sea ice extent from 1979 to 2004 when the satellite observations show an increase of 0.027 × 1012 m2 yr−1 (0.2% yr−1) in sea ice extent during the same period. The model shows that an increase in surface air temperature and downward longwave radiation results in an increase in the upper-ocean temperature and a decrease in sea ice growth, leading to a decrease in salt rejection from ice, in the upper-ocean salinity, and in the upper-ocean density. The reduced salt rejection and upper-ocean density and the enhanced thermohaline stratification tend to suppress convective overturning, leading to a decrease in the upward ocean heat transport and the ocean heat flux available to melt sea ice. The ice melting from ocean heat flux decreases faster than the ice growth does in the weakly stratified Southern Ocean, leading to an increase in the net ice production and hence an increase in ice mass. This mechanism is the main reason why the Antarctic sea ice has increased in spite of warming conditions both above and below during the period 1979–2004 and the extended period 1948–2004.”

    Keywords: Antarctica, Sea ice, Satellite observations, Temperature, Trends

    Received: January 10, 2006; Final Form: September 18, 2006

    Corresponding author address: Jinlun Zhang, Polar Science Center, Applied Physics Laboratory, College of Ocean and Fishery Sciences, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98105. Email: zhang@apl.washington.edu

    • Robert Austin says:

      Morgan Wright says:
      January 25, 2014 at 4:10 am

      It’s models “all the way down”. Models that say what one engineers them to say. Feel free to believe the “warming climate causes more ice” bullshit even where there really is no warming. Just don’t get upset if we roll our eyes at these claims.

  9. Dave N says:

    I’ll bite: what data is Zhang using? Presumably that’s the only reason Kook uses Zhang: because it fits his delusions.

  10. David says:

    If an area that is cold warms but is still very very cold it will still produce ice as the area goes through the stages of warming whilst still being very very cold the extra perception can and will cause more ice!

    It does not mean it is not warming your silly analogies are just that silly, like old children trying to be clever and sarcastic but you are just talking drivel.

    If something warms from minus 40 to minus 30 (made up figures) it is still cold as it warms more it will cause more ice why that matters to deniers I have no idea GLOBALLY the earth is warming!

    stop clutching at straws you little babies just admit you are wrong and go away no one cares about your views. Idiots like you once thought the world was flat old people, miserable, bitter and stupid out of touch :-)

    Pathetic.

    • This post is about Antarctic sea ice, not about “something [that] warms from minus 40 to minus 30″. Also, look up “polar amplification” on your favourite John Cook (cartoonist) website.

      If you need any more help from us “miserable, bitter and stupid out of touch[sic]” people when it come to understanding things like basic reading comprehension, English composition, or temperature measurement, let us know! :D

      • David says:

        HI yes please do share starkDICK like I said why ice matters to alarmists or deniers I have no idea the fact that satellites temperature readings categorically prove the earth is warming is all that matters. Also please grow up this site is just full of old men spewing shi.t and trying to shout down people whilst trying to insult pathetic really especially as you are all so wrong it is comical.

      • David says:

        OH and starkDICK you said this is about the Antarctic not something else!!

        What does that mean the Antarctic has warmed you fool the figures I posted were just exaggerations to highlight the stupidity of this thread where you all act like little children in your little baby clique being all so clever and mocking things like babies!!

        Really you couldn’t make it up how old are you all like 60 to 70 and acting like babies. THE ANTARTIC has warmed more ice doesn’t mean anything its still fucking cold!! just not as cold as before.

        Also its called GLOBAL warming! NOT: where you fancy to base your pathetic argument warming!

        • philjourdan says:

          If you cannot tell one end of the world from another, why would anyone think you could get a name correctly? Keep it up! I need the amusement. It is not often you get to see a little stompy feet throwing a tantrum in public.

    • philjourdan says:

      Yes, your petty ad hominems and juvenile pejoratives are petty. But then since this is not a close minded blog that does not allow dissent, you are allowed to demonstrate your immaturity and ignorance.

      Which you have done very well.

      • David says:

        Ah well done! philjourdan you have learnt some words to insult people very clever, seriously are you a baby?

        • philjourdan says:

          :lol: Again david reads and does not understand. I wrote no insults. I pointed out yours. I do not care to get into a screaming match with a child.

          If you do not want your filth described accurately, shut up. Simple. But until then, please continue. Your ignorance of the English language is amusing.

  11. David says:

    And who the fook is John Cook

    • Gail Combs says:

      If you do not know then you are rather ignorant of the subject: Climate.

      Long term (and that is all that matters) the climate in Antarctica is COOLING:
      GRAPH

      It is only that single tiny pennisula sticking into the ocean near Cape Horn that is warming down south, (due to a volcano) the rest is either static or declining.

      Also the amount of sea ice also matters.
      The 40 year trend of ALL Antarctic Sea Ice measurements (maximum, average, and minimum extents) continues their steady increases since 1979. Antarctic Sea Ice Extents is now setting new record high levels at 19,000,000 sq km’s.
      It is Antarctic Sea Ice Area that is greater than 16,000,000 km’s have occurred in the most recent years.

      Why does this matter? In a word Albedo. Antarctic sea ice is much more important that Arctic sea Ice.

      First the arctic sea is ringed by land and can not easily expand while Antarctic is ringed by ocean so there is no limit.

      At today’s sea ice extents, the “edge” of the Arctic sea is a tiny ring about latitude 78 -82 north in mid-September. The “edge” of Antarctic’s sea ice minimum is also a “ring” – but that ring is about latitude 66 south. Much closer to the equator, much more energy reflected from the Antarctic sea ice, right? Now, at maximum extents, the “edge” Arctic sea ice is at its closest point to the equator is only down to 72 north, not even as close to the equator as the minimum Antarctic sea ice! But at its maximum, Antarctic sea ice extents is much, much higher at 59.2 to 59.0 latitude. Closer to the equator than even the most southern tip of Greenland!

      Now, at the equinoxes, when both Arctic and Antarctic are both hit by the same solar intensity, the Antarctic Sea Ice receives between 2x (Feb-March) to 5x (September-October) the energy that the Arctic sea ice receives. Thus, to reflect equal energy into space, the “gain” of even 1.0 Mkm^2 of southern sea ice extents needs to be balanced by a loss 2 to 5 LARGER in the Arctic.

      On EVERY day of the year, Antarctic sea is exposed to 2 to 5 times the radiation that Arctic sea ice receives, and therefore Antarctic sea ice is 2 to 5 times MORE important to the earth’s heat balance than the Arctic sea ice.

      Worse, the Antarctic sea ice minimum is exposed to significantly MORE solar radiation at the peak of the yearly solar cycle in January-February than the arctic sea ice minimum in August September, when the solar energy production is lower. (Solar minimum is 5 July each year, when the Arctic ice is exposed. But Antarctic sea ice – even at its minimum extents, is much more exposed in January.)

      Instead, we see near even sea ice changes. So, since at today’s levels of sea ice extents, “more Arctic sea ice loss” up north means a net loss of energy from the planet; and “more sea ice extents gain” down south means a net loss of energy from the planet, we are facing a future big problem. If today’s trends continue.
      R. A. Cook (PE1978)

    • You are a true idiot. Have you even looked at the post your are commenting in, you lazy cretin?

    • philjourdan says:

      If you do not know, keep your mouth shut instead of demonstrating your ignorance.

    • Morgan says:

      David, have you ever been diagnosed? I’d be interested in finding what exactly is wrong with your ganglion.

    • Andy Oz says:

      Yeah the world is burning up and millions are dying from heatwaves, NOT!
      Meanwhile global sea ice extent is above average!! No temperature increase in 18 years. FACTS trump alarmist religious fascist dogma, pod person.

  12. Steve says:

    This article also explains it quite well, that is if you believe in maths and the mechanics behind the ‘natural warm periods’!!

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/

  13. Steve says:

    Blog denier ‘scientists’ get so angry!

  14. Steve says:

    If you have the aptitude to watch this from beginning to end it also explains a lot, in basic terms so it is not to difficult to understand.

    Hope it helps explain why this thread and its silly opening posts are just that, silly?

    I cant understand how anyone can come to the conclusions Deniers do!

    But it seems like you enjoy yourselves so go for it, you may as well just make any shit up! Blame aliens or say the is a cold war going on still :-) , the ‘alarmists’ have hired NASA to carry warmth off the planet i heat pods :-) :-) :-)

    Deniers if you are going to make shit up and have fun at least use your imagination :-)

  15. Steve says:

    Hi Gail Comb

    I did say if you have the aptitude to watch the video if you haven’t don’t worry about it.

    Why should we have to read you unnecessarily long posts that mean nothing as they quoting out of date information that means nothing???

    You said you can see the data well I provided the links your cherry picked data was from! I will post them again for you:

    LINK 1: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
    LINK 2: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
    LINK 3: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html

    And this explains about your cherry picking:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/

    Thank for having the manners to read watch the video as well.

    • Steve says:

      The above links are facts.

      • philjourdan says:

        The above links are links. You should learn the difference. Links are not facts. They are links to potential facts or to hysterical ravings of lunatics.

        • Sharpshooter says:

          You should learn to argue beyond the 5th grade playground methods.

        • philjourdan says:

          You should learn to think beyond the 5th grade. Then maybe you would be able to post a coherent comment without resorting to your childish insults,

          But I guess that is asking too much.

      • Steve says:

        Phil, They are facts they are the same facts that all your cherry picked data stems from, if you are saying the links are not providing facts, then all your cherry picked data to prove your ramblings are also wrong!

        So what on earth are babbling about?

        • philjourdan says:

          No steve. That is your problem,. You have no conception of what a fact is. Your links are not facts. They are opinions. They can be well informed opinions, or they can be ignorant opinions. But they are not data. They are not facts.

          Given your ignorance of the concept of facts and data, then it is no wonder your links are to similar ignorance. Until you learn what you are talking about, you will almost always be wrong. And so far, you have always been.

        • philjourdan says:

          p.s. Learn how to reply. You appear to be talking to yourself, and using my name as yours. If you are talking to yourself and just incorrectly using my name, then your response is one of those rare times where you got something partially right. You are cherry picking, rambling and wrong.

          But you got the name wrong.

        • David says:

          PHIL they are facts the data I provided are the facts, you then cherry pick these facts to make it something else.

          If they are not facts then stop posting cherry picked information / graphs / charts to prove your views.

          As by proxy they must also be wrong!

        • philjourdan says:

          No david. You posted opinion. I posted facts. The fact you do not know the difference is your problem. You may not like the facts. You may hate the facts. But then they do not care.

          There was no cherry picking. I presented facts. And frankly I do not care if you like them or not.

        • David says:

          Err no I posted links to facts, they are the facts, how you interpret them is up to you; however, they are still facts.

        • philjourdan says:

          Er, no. You posted links to opinion pieces. Which only proves you have no clue on the difference between facts and opinions.

      • David says:

        Hi Phil

        You posted:

        ‘You should learn to think beyond the 5th grade. Then maybe you would be able to post a coherent comment without resorting to your childish insults,’

        Should that sentence have ended with a full stop? As you ended it with a comma, I’m terribly confused as you are Mr Grammar.

  16. David says:

    Hi Gail COMBS

    Your information is old and out of date!! and as it says if you have the ‘aptitude’ to watch the video!

    I have also provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!

    Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
    LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
    Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html

    And a link to explain about cherry picked data.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/

    Thank you.

  17. Steve says:

    Well we shall see in the very near future wont we?

    Deniers and Alarmists are idiots whilst you two sets of uniformed blog warriors are fighting out a pointless crusade, we are missing the last chance to do anything global warming, whether you like it or not it is happening: THIS IS A FACT.

    Inefficient green technology being used billions wasted and reinvested correctly of better transportation for energy.

    These billions should be invested in to looking for better and new technology but you just keep arguing.

  18. Steve says:

    As someone posted above why don’t the opposition political parties oppose the current governments worldwide to gain power??

    This also where your wild theories come unstuck why isn’t there one organisation out there saying the opposite scientists always want to be the first! Why are none of us chomping at the bit to publish a paper proving the opposite is happening?

    • Gail Combs says:

      Because the Banking cartel OWNS both parties.
      Top Senate Democrat: bankers “own” the U.S. Congress

      Heck the banksters have OWNED the USA since 1913.

      I suggest you read Congressman McFadden’s Speech (republican) and Democrat Wright Patman’s Primer on Money

      Until you trace the lines of power held by the banking elite (who also own the power companies) you will never understand what is actually going on.

      • Steve says:

        ‘They’ don’t own every government Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.

        The fuel giants have as much money and influence as the banks also as above what about rival scientists trying to be the first to oust the truth being first to publish a paper proving the opposite or nothing is happening!!

      • David says:

        And you ignored my reply with smoke and mirrors as the only response you would be able to muster would make you sound like a crazy!

        I asked:

        So you are saying no scientist wants to be the first to publish a paper proving wrong the facts?

        • So you are saying no scientist wants to be the first to publish a paper proving wrong the facts?

          Which stoner used to ask that question every ten minutes?

          C’mon “David”, you’re a physicist, right? You have a weblog. You’ve even been published, haven’t you? Have you ever been banned from a website?

        • philjourdan says:

          You cannot prove wrong “the facts”. Even an idiot knows that. But little david does not.

    • Gail Combs says:

      The banker’s stake in CAGW

      World Bank Carbon Finance Report for 2007
      The carbon economy is the fastest growing industry globally with US$84 billion of carbon trading conducted in 2007, doubling to $116 billion in 2008, and expected to reach over $200 billion by 2012 and over $2,000 billion by 2020
      (wwwDOT)carbonplanet.com/navigating_the_carbon_economy

      This is a fraud that produces nothing but poverty. It does not produce a single penny of wealth and instead acts as a short circuit across the advancement and wealth of an entire civilization.

      Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after ‘Danish text’ leak: Developing countries react furiously to leaked draft agreement…

      …The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.

      The document was described last night by one senior diplomat as “a very dangerous document for developing countries. It is a fundamental reworking of the UN balance of obligations. It is to be superimposed without discussion on the talks”….
      (wwwDOT)theguardian.com/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-summit-disarray-danish-text

      If you bother to look you find Shell Oil’s finger prints all over CAGW.
      Shell is also very much entangled with the Banksters, Rothschilds and Rockefellers are major shareholders, and as you can see in the credentials of the Board of Directors listed at the end.

      Shell Oil wants to push natural gas. Ged Davis, the Shell Oil VP who wrote the Sustainability Scenarios for the IPCC shows this in the “Sustainable Development (B1)” part of the February, 1998 Climategate e-mail which asks for comments on the attachment: “Draft Paper for the IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios” by Ged Davis.
      http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0889554019.txt

      Another Shell Oil exec Doug McKay was at the IPCC scenario meetings. McKay was also Senior Financial Analyst with the World Bank. Robert Watson worked for the World Bank while Chair of the IPCC.

      Then you have Shell Oil, BP and a Rockefeller Foundation funding the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia. Marlan Downey, “Former President of the international subsidiary of Shell Oil, founder of Roxanna Oil; former President of Arco International” on the Advisory Board of Richard The Liar* Muller’s consulting firm, Muller & Assoc. (Muller is known for the BEST temperature Data set.)

      Who owns Shell?
      The Dutch royal family (The House of Orange) is still reportedly the biggest shareholder in Royal Dutch Shell, although the size of its stake has long been a source of debate. Another major stockholder is the Rothschilds. The Rothschild Investment Trust was formed in 1988 and united the Rockefellers and Rothschilds as did the merger of their two banks. The Queen of England is also a major stockholder.

      SHELL and WWF:
      Prince Bernhard of the Dutch Royal Family is the Founding President of the World Wildlife Fund. (WWF) HRH The Duke of Edinburgh served as International President of WWF for 16 years until his retirement at the end of 1996. John H. Loudon, Better known as “the Grand Old Man of Shell”, headed Royal Dutch Shell from 1951 to 1965. He was President of WWF from 1976 to 1981.

      Ruud Lubbers served three terms as Prime Minister of the Netherlands between 1982 and 1994, thus becoming the longest serving Dutch Prime Minister…. He continued in Parliament as Senior Deputy Leader, and later Parliamentary Leader of the Christian Democratic Alliance. He became President of WWF International on 1 January 2000

      Then we look at the Shell Board of Directors.

      Peter Voser
      Chief Executive Officer
      … a member of the Swiss Federal Auditor Oversight Authority from 2006 to December 2010. In 2011…

      Josef Ackermann
      Non-executive Director
      … He is Chairman of the Board of Directors of Zurich Insurance Group Limited and of Zurich Insurance Company Limited, positions he has held since March 2012.

      … he held a variety of positions in corporate banking, foreign exchange/money markets, treasury and investment banking. In 1990, he was appointed to SKA’s Executive Board, on which he served as President between 1993 and 1996. He joined Deutsche Bank’s Management Board in 1996 with responsibility for the investment banking division and, from 2006 and 2002 respectively until May 2012, he was Chairman of the Management Board and of the Group Executive Committee of Deutsche Bank AG. He is a member of the Supervisory Board of Siemens AG, the Board of Directors of Investor AB and a number of advisory boards. He also has various roles in several foundations and academic institutions….

      Charles O. Holliday
      Non-executive Director
      … He served as Chief Executive Officer of DuPont from 1998 to January 2009, and as Chairman from 1999 to December 2009…. He previously served as Chairman of the World Business Council for Sustainable Development, Chairman of The Business Council, Chairman of Catalyst, Chairman of the Society of Chemical Industry – American Section, and is a founding member of the International Business Council. He is Chairman of the Board of Directors of Bank of America Corporation and a Director of Deere & Company.

      Gerard Kleisterlee
      Non-executive Director
      …He is Chairman of Vodafone Group plc, a member of the Supervisory Board of Daimler AG, and a Director of Dell Inc.

      Christine Morin-Postel
      Non-executive Director
      …. she was Chief Executive of Société Générale de Belgique, Executive Vice-President and a member of the Executive Committee of Suez S.A., Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Crédisuez S.A. and a Non-executive Director of Pilkington plc, Alcan Inc. and EXOR S.p.A. She is a Non-executive Director of British American Tobacco plc.

      Sir Nigel Sheinwald GCMG
      Non-executive Director
      He was a senior British diplomat who served as British Ambassador to the USA from 2007 to 2012. He joined the Diplomatic Service in 1976 and served in Brussels (twice), Washington and Moscow and in a wide range of policy roles in London. He served as British Ambassador and Permanent Representative to the European Union in Brussels from 2000 to 2003. Prior to his appointment as British Ambassador to the USA, he served as Foreign Policy and Defence Adviser to the Prime Minister and Head of the Cabinet Office Defence and Overseas Secretariat. He retired from the Diplomatic Service in March 2012….

      Linda G. Stuntz
      Non-executive Director
      She is a founding partner of the law firm of Stuntz, Davis & Staffier, P.C., based in Washington, D.C. Her law practice includes energy and environmental regulation as well as matters relating to government support of technology development and transfer. From 1989 to 1993, she held senior policy positions at the U.S. Department of Energy, including Deputy Secretary. She played a principal role in the development and enactment of the Energy Policy Act of 1992.

      From 1981 to 1987, she was an Associate Minority Counsel and Minority Counsel to the Energy and Commerce Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives. She chaired the Electricity Advisory Committee to the U.S. Department of Energy from 2008 to 2009, and was a member of the Board of Directors of Schlumberger Limited from 1993 to 2010. She is a member of the Board of Directors of Raytheon Company. [Raytheon does mostly government contracts G.C.]

      Jeroen van der Veer
      Non-executive Director
      ….He was Vice-Chairman and Senior Independent Director of Unilever (which includes Unilever N.V. and Unilever plc) until May 2011 and is Chairman of the Supervisory Boards of Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V. and of ING Group. He also has various roles in several foundations and charities.

      Gerrit Zalm
      Non-executive Director
      He is Chairman of the Board of Management of ABN AMRO Bank N.V., a position he has held since February 2009. Before joining ABN AMRO, he was the Minister of Finance of the Netherlands from 1994 until 2002, Chairman of the VVD Liberal Party in the Lower House (2002) and Minister of Finance from 2003 until 2007. During 2007 until 2009 he was an adviser to PricewaterhouseCoopers (2007), Chairman of the trustees of the International Accounting Standards Board (2007-2010), an adviser to Permira (private equity fund) (2007-2008) and Chief Financial Officer of DSB Bank (2008). Prior to 1994, he was head of the Netherlands Bureau for Economic Policy Analysis, a professor at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam and held various positions at the Ministry of Finance and at the Ministry of Economic Affairs. ….

      Rather well connected to governments, NGOs and various banks are they not?

  19. Steve says:

    Why post unnecessarily longs posts that mean nothing? The phrase Smoke and mirrors springs to mind!

    As above:

    ‘They’ don’t own every government Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.

    The fuel giants have as much money and influence as the banks also as above what about rival scientists trying to be the first to oust the truth being first to publish a paper proving the opposite or nothing is happening!!

    • Gail Combs says:

      Why post unnecessarily longs posts that mean nothing?
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Because idiots like you have to be led by the hand and even then you can not see the damn evidence sitting in front of your Nose.
      ……………

      Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Since when did WORLD BANK not mean GLOBAL? Since when did INTERNATIONAL mean the USA?
      Marlan Downey, “Former President of the international subsidiary of Shell Oil

      Since you can not follow when I lead you by the hand how about the Research Division of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis? can you manage to follow them?
      The network of global corporate control

      The full paper: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0025995#s3

      Or an explanation of the paper by OCCUPY: (wwwDOT)occupy.com/article/welcome-network-global-corporate-control

      Or a better explanation of the paper by Stephen Lendman of (wwwDOT)ProgressiveRadioNetwork.com
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/bankers-rule-the-world-the-network-of-global-corporate-control/28235

      Are you completely incapable of actually READING anything longer that ‘See Spot Run”?

      • Andy Oz says:

        It’s a waste of time feeding the trolls Gail.
        They can only handle 4’word sentences with less than 5 letters each.
        Eg the ice is huge
        The rain is good
        The days are fine
        Everything else is a waste.

        • Gail Combs says:

          I do not write for the trolls I write for the fence sitters. The trolls are great for convincing the fence sitters that the CAGW trolls are complete idiots and Steve and Dave are doing a fine job of it. {:>)

        • Steve says:

          Hi Andy, as the latest fad is attempting to patronise by trying to make out people can’t write whatever that proves on a piss poor backwater site.

          I would like to point out the grammatical errors above in your post LOL.

        • philjourdan says:

          trying to make out people can’t write whatever that proves on a piss poor backwater site.

          Another example of horrendous grammar, punctuation and sentence structure. If you claim to be ESL, at least you have an excuse.

          And if you do not like the site, leave! It has been referenced by much of the MSM.

        • David says:

          Hi Phil, you really are pathetic aren’t you.

          The grammatical errors you make whilst mocking others show you for what you are, a fat old man that was bullied at school.

        • philjourdan says:

          Ah, more ad hominems from the child who just can’t seem to have an adult discussion of any sort!

          As I said before, you are free to point out my grammatical errors. Alleging them however is merely calling names (since you have yet to point one out).

          When you grow up, you will learn that. And just for you (since I know you need to learn), when I start caring about your opinion, your petty ad hominems will mean something to me. But that will not happen before you grow up.

      • Steve says:

        ##### Gail Combs WROTE:

        April 2, 2014 at 7:31 pm
        Because the Banking cartel OWNS both parties.
        Top Senate Democrat: bankers “own” the U.S. Congress

        Heck the banksters have OWNED the USA since 1913.

        I suggest you read Congressman McFadden’s Speech (republican) and Democrat Wright Patman’s Primer on Money

        Until you trace the lines of power held by the banking elite (who also own the power companies) you will never understand what is actually going on.
        Reply

        ###### I Responded to this email with

        ‘They’ don’t own every government Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.

        Then she responds:

        Since when did WORLD BANK not mean GLOBAL? Since when did INTERNATIONAL mean the USA?
        Marlan Downey, “Former President of the international subsidiary of Shell Oil

        WTF are you on about woman! you never mentioned anything about world bank in the email i responded to!! you clearly only mention the usa and usa government.

        Like i said smoke and mirrors.

      • philjourdan says:

        Wow! That is the first time I have seen Gail mad! I guess Steve can do something. Nothing productive however.

        • David says:

          Gail you are so wrong, i’m sorry it makes you angry because your views are challenged and the very basic maths offend your views, one day you will understand and I may not be posting on this site then as your clique are just insulting babies; however, you will know you were wrong and I will know you were all wrong, bless :-)

      • David says:

        Hi Phil, you missed a ; and , in your post.

    • philjourdan says:

      Whereas you post “short and wrong”? Apparently

  20. Gail Combs says:

    philjourdan,

    I figure that Mother Nature is going to rub David and Steve’s noses into major snow banks in the coming decades. With luck we will not be so busy scrounging for food or starving we can enjoy the huge belly laugh at their expense.

    What Dave and Steve forget is the lessons the Russian Intelligenstia found out the hard way. Once in power the totalitarians have no more use for the ‘useful idiots’ and since they have already proven to be willing traitors they are considered a major liability and ‘expendable’

    • David says:

      Idiots you start the insults then moan when you get insulted, grow up and learn to read you fat old fucktards.

      Your views mean nothing, the majority have spoken you were left wanting, the best bit is you know you are wrong and that’s what makes it funny.

      Mad old crazy folk with your conspiracy theories LOL still not long now until your lies will just no longer wash no matter how fucking stupid you are.

      • philjourdan says:

        No one has insulted you! You apparently do not know the meaning of the word. You come in here, express your view, and then start insulting people who debate your view. And then you whine about being picked upon!

        Grow up! You are a pathetic little troll. And that is not an insult. It is a description of your behavior. Calling a skunk a skunk is not insulting the skunk.

        Get some facts, then get some education. Then come back to debate your opinions if you choose. Projecting your own inadequacies is not debating.

        So just how fat are you?

        • David says:

          ERRR no I think you will find posters come on this site post their views and anyone who disagrees with your lies gets shouted down and insulted, when they give it back that’s when you get all moral and then gang up on them and throw more insults.

          I think you will find I am more qualified than you fatty in debating maths and physics.

          Now go and comfort eat something!

        • philjourdan says:

          Non Sequitur. No one here cares about what you did as a child. This is the thread you are making your false allegations (lies). I really do not care if some 7 year old told you your mother wore combat boots.

          Stop lying. you are still batting zero.

        • David says:

          my GOD you are stupid look you are a freak so you get attracted to outside views to try and belong but the fact is your are probably very fat and a virgin :-) please grow up.

          If you want to exchange school ground humour i’m funnier better looking and richer than you and I am definitely slimmer, BONES!!!!!!!!

        • philjourdan says:

          More childish ad hominems from the juvenile who has yet to learn how to discuss things without getting mad and stomping his feat. Please continue David Appell. I do so enjoy your display of immaturity total lack of intelligence. Your insults mean nothing to me. Most normal people are not insulted when a leech complains of their blood type.

          But then there is you. A child who does not seem able to make a statement with intelligence, just vitriol, hate and venom.

        • Steve says:

          Phil

          Who is David Appell???? to be fair if you ate more appells maybe you wouldn’t be so fat!

          Everything i have posted is a fact that the point you fat idiot!

          The other point is you started insulting me first! Now I KNOW you are fat it makes me laugh to insult you.

          Moral: Don’t start insulting someone if your fat.

        • philjourdan says:

          More childish insults from the child. The word is Apples. So you flunked spelling as well?

          And what is your obsession with fat people? Since I have no picture posted of me (and indeed you will not find one on the internet), I can only reason that you are projecting either a fetish or a self portrait.

          Whichever suits your infantile desire to insult I guess. David Appell (note the spelling – you can spell, can you not?)

        • David says:

          Yes I know it was a play on words you fat prick!!!!!

        • philjourdan says:

          And more projection from little david. Perhaps his real name is Richard. That would explain his latest comment.

        • David says:

          Hi Phil

          You posted the following:

          ‘More childish ad hominems from the juvenile who has yet to learn how to discuss things without getting mad and stomping his feat.’

          Did you mean feet??

          As I don’t understand the sentence otherwise!

        • philjourdan says:

          Sarcasm is lost on the low brow.

        • David says:

          Hi PHIL

          You posted:

          ‘ Please continue David Appell. I do so enjoy your display of immaturity total lack of intelligence.’

          I don’t understand the grammar you used here, I thought you were Mr perfect grammar, I’m confused as to what the above sentence was actually trying to say?

        • philjourdan says:

          Childish adulation is rarely reality.

          I have already told you that I make mistakes. Unlike you, I can admit them.

        • David says:

          Ahh poor Phil, his favourite retort is to bring up spelling or grammar, when it is done back to him he gets ever so upset.

          Bless.

        • philjourdan says:

          YOu seem to still have not learned to read. I am not upset. I do not CARE about your pettiness. I already stated I was not a perfect grammarian or speller. But when you pen a totally incoherent diatribe, yes I call you out on it – regardless of the sock puppet you use.

          You seem to think education is a punishment. And as long as you do, you will never learn a thing.

    • philjourdan says:

      I think Pol Pot exemplified it the best. And on a percentage basis, he managed to exterminate 25% of his people.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Peter Glieck, the guy who should be in Jail?

      GISS (Hansen) who has adjusted the temperature data out of all semblance of reality. (Like my 6 inches of snow that was reported as rain.)

      And The Met??? The Met who is a complete laughingstock in the UK because they can’t get the forecasts right and have finally just given up?

      And you accuse ME of cherry picking data? I never even mentioned recent temperature data. All I did was point out the geology (Milankovitch cycles from RECENT papers) and the fact that the Banksters/Oil companies are orchestrating this Hoax as a method of transferring wealth from the poor and middle class (us) into their own pockets. Doing a right good job of it too.

      NOW READ THIS! YOU are also the ones who are about to get skinned! (You didn’t really think they would let you keep your wealth now did you?)

      International Monetary Fund: Convergence, Interdependence, and Divergence
      Finance & Development, September 2012, Vol. 49, No. 3

      …New convergence and strengthened interdependence coincide with a third trend, relating to income distribution. In many countries the distribution of income has become more unequal, and the top earners’ share of income in particular has risen dramatically. In the United States the share of the top 1 percent has close to tripled over the past three decades, now accounting for about 20 percent of total U.S. income (Alvaredo and others, 2012). At the same time, while the new convergence mentioned above has reduced the distance between advanced and developing economies when they are taken as two aggregates, there are still millions of people in some of the poorest countries whose incomes have remained almost stagnant for more than a century (see “More or Less,” F&D, September 2011). These two facts have resulted in increased divergence between the richest people in the world and the very poorest, despite the broad convergence of average incomes.…..

      And speaking of the International Monetary Fund, they wrote another report:

      Forbes: The International Monetary Fund Lays The Groundwork For Global Wealth Confiscation

      The International Monetary Fund (IMF) quietly dropped a bomb in its October Fiscal Monitor Report. Titled “Taxing Times,” the report paints a dire picture for advanced economies with high debts that fail to aggressively “mobilize domestic revenue.” …recommends a series of escalating income and consumption tax increases culminating in the direct confiscation of assets.

      Yes, you read that right. But don’t take it from me. The report itself says:

      The sharp deterioration of the public finances in many countries has revived interest in a “capital levy”— a one-off tax on private wealth—as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability. … The conditions for success are strong, but also need to be weighed against the risks of the alternatives, which include repudiating public debt or inflating it away. … The tax rates needed to bring down public debt to precrisis levels, moreover, are sizable: reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels would require (for a sample of 15 euro area countries) a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth. (page 49)”

      Note three takeaways.

      First, IMF economists know there are not enough rich people to fund today’s governments even if 100 percent of the assets of the 1 percent were expropriated. That means that all households with positive net wealth—everyone with retirement savings or home equity—would have their assets plundered under the IMF’s formulation.

      Second, such a repudiation of private property will not pay off Western governments’ debts or fund budgets going forward. It will merely “restore debt sustainability,” allowing free-spending sovereigns to keep tapping the bond markets until the next crisis comes along….

      These are the people YOU support.

      • Steve says:

        Yes they are!

        As they will go to any lengths to prove the lies and shit that comes from the unscrupulous organisation you promote are crushed into the ground and jailed themselves!

        And Hansen did no such thing that is just a lie! And your mocking the MET for not be able to get the weather right what lies are spouting now and what has it got to do with anything

        You are not a Scientist or mathematician you have no professional background to support your babble.

        Your’re the one that should be in jail what your posting is liable!!

        • philjourdan says:

          The ends justify the means. Yep! Good little bundist! I think I remember in history a nation doing that. They were defeated in a terrible war 70 years ago.

          And they were socialists just like you.

          And she is both a scientist and competent in mathematics. You have proven you are incompetent in both.

        • Gail Combs says:

          My scientific background has been checked out by both Pinkerton and the CIA.

        • David says:

          Phil, Show me where I have proven myself to be incompetent in maths or Scientist? (whatever that means) or remain a liar !

          The sentence below that you posted does not make sense Mr Grammar!

          ‘And she is both a scientist and competent in mathematics. You have proven you are incompetent in both.’
          :-)

          And what is a Bundist?

        • philjourdan says:

          If they are not facts then stop posting cherry picked information / graphs / charts to prove your views.

          2 proofs,one sentence. So your petty pejorative is just that. You have no basis to call me a liar, you do so because you hope to intimidate me and “hurt my feelings” which is all you have posted in your diatribe laced rantings.

          Sorry, the only way you could “hurt my feelings” is if I had any respect for you. Since you have proven to be respectless, I do not care about your infantile insults.

          And as far as my sentence goes, “And she is both a scientist and competent in mathematics. You have proven you are incompetent in both.”

          If you are incapable of understanding the sentence, perhaps you should take another class in ESL. It is clear and understandable to any average intelligent or better English speaker.

          And now comes the next juvenile ad hominem from david in 3…2…1…

        • David says:

          PHIL

          There was no proof in that post you just quoted me asking you to stop posting cherry picked data if you thought the data was made up?

        • philjourdan says:

          Poor david. Still cannot understand the written word. Sorry, I am not your teacher. Nor do I play one on TV. Your words are the proof of both your incompetence and of your inability to tell the truth.

          The proofs are there. By your own words. If you do not understand what you are writing, why are you writing them? Seems you just cannot tell the truth to save your life.

        • David says:

          Hi Phil

          No that sentence does not makes sense? You can’t be incompetent in scientist that does not make sense you made a grammatical error.

          You asked me to point out your grammatical errors, remember?

          Also what is a Bundist?

        • philjourdan says:

          david, declarative sentences do not end in question marks.

          And I said you were free to point them out. However you are finding errors that do not exist. That is not helpful. But then that is all I can expect from you. You are not competent since you cannot understand what you or anyone else writes.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Dave,

      You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am not aware that there has been a “Modern Warm Period’ now plateauing and possibly ending (as well as a Little Ice Age and a Medieval Warm Period.)

      What you fail to realize is that I realize that a warm period (thermal pulse/ sea level highstand) came just before the big drop in other interglacials. The last interglacial had two thermal pulses coinciding with the timing of the Medieval Warm Period and the Modern Warm Period. The next ‘Climate Event’ after that second thermal pulse was the Wisconsin Ice Age.

      Also, as one geologist put it: “Nothing I have read post 2005 supports greater than half-precession length for the Holocene.” (NOT something I wanted to hear. I was hoping the jury was still out.)

      I have already linked to several of the papers which you have ignored. So here is another, how about reading it this time?

      A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records

      Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial [e.g., Loutre and Berger, 2003; EPICA community members, 2004] because both occur during times of low eccentricity….

      …the Holocene interglacial has lasted 11 kyr so far. In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398-418 ka as from 250-650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be artificially stretched. However, the June 21 insolation minimum at 65N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a “double precession-cycle” interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human influence.”

      Global Warming is just not in the cards for at least the next 65,000 years. Glaciation however is possible. Even Woods Hole Observatory warned about this possibility:

      Abrupt Climate Change: Should We Be Worried?
      … the concept remains little known and scarcely appreciated in the wider community of scientists, economists, policy makers, and world political and business leaders. Thus, world leaders may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur….”

      Or if you prefer Dr Robert G. Brown (physicist) at Duke Univesity:

      “….The last “interesting” piece of evidence is that the Little Ice Age, occurring in apparent coincidence with the Maunder Minimum, was the coldest period in the entire Holocene post the Younger Dryas fluctuation, and occurred as global temperatures had been gradually decreasing from the Holocene optimum for thousands of years. This large temperature excursion in response to what may have been a relatively minor variation in a primary driver (the Sun) strongly suggests that the Earth is either entering or is already solidly into the bistable regime** where sufficiently sustained fluctuations can drive it nonlinearly towards the cold stable state, quite possibly drive it “rapidly” in that direction… the Ordovician/Silurian transition, wherein the Earth entered an ice age, relatively rapidly, in spite of having seventeen times the atmospheric CO_2 content that it does now when it began, and in spite of sustaining it at ten times the current concentration for the entire period the ice age lasted….”

      ** bistable regime refers to Chaos theory, which the IPCC acknowledged describes climate in the Science Report in TAR:

      …in climate research and modeling we should recognise that we are dealing with a complex non linear chaotic signature and therefore that long-term prediction of future climatic states is not possible….

      IPCC 2001 section 4.2.2.2 page 774

      • David says:

        Seriously Gail no one reads your posts as they are just drivel you silly woman. Not even your fellow deniers bother. you are just the smoke screen that’s post unnecessarily long posts about nothing to diluter the truth and sense that gets posted. pathetic really!!

        • philjourdan says:

          You would do well to stop trying to act like a prognosticator as you suck at it. Most of us do read her posts. They contain intelligent and thoughtful observations. That does not mean we always agree. Yours however are merely mindless troll drivel.

        • Steve says:

          Really Phil i seriously doubt you have ever read one of her posts past line two or three because even you are aware they are drivel.

        • philjourdan says:

          Gee, I am SOOOOOO glad you know me better that I know myself.

          Got to get rid of that god complex you have. Then maybe you can learn. A trait you do not seem to have developed yet.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Thanks phil,

        I have met one year olds with a longer attention span than Dave.

        He is typical of the low information, two second sound bite, serfs the Progressives are workingto develop, and he is completely incapable of even realizing it.

        It is no coincidence that the main target for the brain damaging drugs forced on first graders by government schools are white males. Gotta dumb down those independent thinkers, especially the gifted ones by one means or another. Labeling the bored to tears intelligent kids ADHD and then drugging them is works very well.

        (And Yes Dave -if you are still reading- I can back all that up.)

        • philjourdan says:

          Interesting when you said “two second sound bite” after he just called me a liar and said I never read past your second line. I guess that is called projection? ;-)

          He is still reading. His ego will not allow him to let go.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Phil he may be reading but it will take him forever because he will have to go look up the big words so often.

          Why do you think they resort to Ad Homs, The can not understand the scientific papers I am linking to they just do not have the background.

        • Steve says:

          Gail my dear little girl what is back ground and experience to make such statements your attempt at babble does amuse me but that is all it is is as it seems you like analogies. The denier logic, maths and physics on here sounds like a baby trying to say its first words that what its sounds like to me.

          If you had my higher understanding of these things then yes we could debate unfortunately not one of you is qualified enough to even debate the basics in any type of civil manner and when someone bites back after being verbally abused you get very moral.

          For this you are all an irrelevance and your views are meaningless, one day you will find out you were so wrong i hope you have the good grace to admit it you yourselves but when that day happens remember i told you don’t forget on the day you realise the truth and that global warming is appending at it man induced.

          Remember I told you that day would come and that your babies babble level entry maths and physics sounded so amusing to me.
          :-) :-) :-)

          Hope you learn how to read data correctly soon, im off to conspire with all the other scientists in world EVERYONE of us who have been been paid off to hide the truth.

          Every single scientist has been paid off and bribed not one scientist wants to be the first to publish a paper any more being the first to prove global warming is lie.

        • philjourdan says:

          what is back ground

          Check your computer desktop. That is background.

          Your post is virtually impossible to read, with missing punctuation, unintelligible phrases, and random words strung together that it is impossible to communicate with you. Your incessant use of childish ad hominems indicate a lack of maturity as your incoherent ramblings indicate a lack of intelligence.

          In short, dialog, much less debate is impossible until you learn English, grow up, and stop acting like a petulant child.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Phi,

          You are correct. If I ever wrote like that my boss would have had hissy fits.( I am the only one he did not send to remedial writing class.)

          At a number of companies I have been taped by my regional plant managers to give presentations to the corporate president and VPs. Some of my reports (with another’s name slapped on) have been distributed worldwide. I therefore find his tirade quite funny.

          Talk about teaching Grandma to suck eggs! (I prefer mine in a lightly browned omellete with cheese and…)

        • Steve says:

          Hi Gail and Phi are you both under the assumption that correct grammar makes you intelligent? If you are then I mock you.

          Sorry it was confusing for you; however, having read your posts, how you can even mention grammar I have no idea.

          Neither of you have you have any professional background or qualifications to substantiate any of your false claims all you can do is cherry pick data, data that we provide you in its full format.

          I think you will find that both of you started the insults to me and others and when thrown back at you that is when you start crying and acting like the victim.

          Which makes you liars to even throw that accusation at anyone other than yourselves!

          Deniers are liars who act like children and cant grasp basic maths or have any understanding of physics for that you are an irrelevance.

          Thank you for trying to patronise me about my grammar hopefully this post was easy enough for you to understand.

        • philjourdan says:

          @Steve – grammar is important as words mean things. However it is not the only factor. Intelligence in writings count. As does spelling.

          You failed in all 3. Your grammar may have been perfect, but you conveyed no message, no thought, no intelligence. The fact you cannot spell does lend to the idea that perhaps you are not yet at the age of maturity.

        • If you are going to call people liars without producing evidence of such, you will be banned.

  21. David says:

    Hi STark, Shaz and david A

    In response to my alleged non response to real data as below for the 10th time of posting!!seriously you just go round in circles don’t you?? Pathetic.

    LINK 1: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
    LINK 2: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
    LINK 3: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html

    And this explains about your cherry picking data.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/

  22. Gail Combs says:

    ……And this explains about your cherry picking data.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/here
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    NOPE – That is Peter Gleick the Liar using smoke and mirrors to confuse the weak of mind.

    The problem is that people confuse functions and their derivatives; they say that something is “warm” even though they mean that it’s “getting warmer” or vice versa.

    A neutral example: Is I am going fast (traveling at a steady 55 mph) vs I am going faster (entering an interstate and accelerating from 55mph to 70 mph.)

    So the question becomes is it still WARMING. That is did the average temperature go from 50.0 °F in 2010 to 50.2 °F in 2013. That question has nothing to do with how warm it is but only wether the function is increasing decreasing or staying (statistically within 2 std dev.) the same.

    The question also gives you the starting point. Today and going back in time.

    The third part of the question is what is the length of time of ‘no change in the temperature’ needed to ‘disprove’ or at least cast doubt on CAGW according to statements made by Warmist scientists.

    So it is NOT CHERRY PICKING to start in the present and go back the number of years WARMISTS STATE are need to cast doubt on CAGW. To say any different is to be a lying weasel but Peter Gleick has already proved, out of his own mouth no less, he should be in jail for the federal crime of wire fraud.

    The Hypothesis Rejection Criteria
    1. Prof. Phil Jones saying in the Climategate emails – “Bottom line: the “no upward trend” has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.” Also see: interview with Judith Curry and Phil Jones

    2. Ben Santer in a 2011 paper “Our results show that temperature records of at least 17 years in length are required for identifying human effects on global-mean tropospheric temperature.” link

    3. The NOAA falsification criterion is on page S23 of its 2008 report titled The State Of The Climate

    ENSO-adjusted warming in the three surface temperature datasets over the last 2–25 yr continually lies within the 90% range of all similar-length ENSO-adjusted temperature changes in these simulations (Fig. 2.8b). Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, [Maybe THAT is the 95% the IPCC is now talking about.] suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.

    4. We are looking at ‘no changes in temperature over a period longer than the 10 years’ that James Hansen once said would show the models wrong;

    So the falsification criteria is 15 years to 17 years. That is why we start at the present and count backwards. Once we hit 17 years The Goose is Cooked. Unfortunately the Goose seems to be a zombie and keeps rising from the dead.

    Anyone have silver bullets, garlic and a wooden stake?

    • Steve says:

      It keeps rising like zombie because it keeps getting warmer its all there for you but you insist on ignoring most of the data and just focus on what proves you mad hat theories correct instead of looking at the entire data like scientists / Mathematicians would.

      With that in mind i now see you as an irrelevance in this discussion.

      Please feel free to post more unnecessarily long posts which are nothing more than smoke and mirrors for this thread to dilute the truth and common sense that has been posted in mire of rubbish from your hand.

  23. Gail Combs says:

    Oh, darn I forgot I included the link to Gleick’s drivel. Sorry Steve, the comment got booted by wordpress.

    This by the way explains the clinging to the irrational by dave:

    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ― Carl Sagan

    • Steve says:

      Hi Gail COMBS

      It does no such thing! are you saying there is global conspiracy and only you the select few can see it?

      Or are you saying the satellite information (that you cherry pick) is made up?

      Im confused as to what you are now suggesting :-) :-) :-)

      Because if the satellite information is just made up then all of your cherry picked data is also made up as this is where you get your figures from!!

      unless your saying deniers have sent up there own satellites?? :-)

      Or are you sticking to the global conspiracy theory??

      You couldn’t make it up.

      OK GAIL COMBS as it is you, I will let you in on the secret, us alarmists are hiding cold all over the place, I hid some yesterday in my fridge and some of my fellow scientist friends asked NASA if they could take some cold off the planet in specially designed COLD Pods.

      To help prove our maths correct please don’t tell anyone i let you in on the secret.

  24. Latitude says:

    and these people are supposed to be helping the cause???

    Don’t fall for it guys…they were paid by the Koch brothers to make warmistas look like fools

  25. Steve says:

    Why because it insults someone with opposite views again?

  26. David says:

    The link below is very interesting I found it very informative what do you think?

    http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2014/04/piomas-april-2014.html

  27. David says:
    April 18, 2014 at 9:09 pm
    Yes I know it was a play on words you fat prick!!!!!

    David says:
    April 18, 2014 at 9:24 pm
    I don’t understand the sentence

    David says:
    April 18, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    I don’t understand the grammar

    Truly a brilliant mind at work. Look at all that math. Look at that education. Why, SteveDavid might even qualify to clean a toilet at Burger King, if he wasn’t so filthy.

    • David says:

      Wow so you have now cherry picked parts of posts, you really are low aren’t you? Do you slither around on your belly and do everything your boss says?

      Worm.

  28. David says:
    April 9, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    my GOD you are stupid look you are a freak so you get attracted to outside views to try and belong but the fact is your are probably very fat and a virgin :-) please grow up.

    If you want to exchange school ground humour i’m funnier better looking and richer than you and I am definitely slimmer, BONES!!!!!!!!

    Do you actually read the garbage you write, SteveDavid? I think we should vote on the stupidest thing ever written on this site. I’ll bet I know a certain hebephrenic who’s a shoo-in.

    • David says:

      Hey Stark

      Who is SteveDavid?

      Oh never mind, I don’t care, enjoy your the site, if you all didn’t insult, jump down peoples throats and mock them the second they posted opposing views maybe this site would be taken seriously.

      However; as the site operator behaves in this way its no coincidence that the rabble sheep follow suit.

      Thank you and good bye.

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