Hide The Decline

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29 Responses to Hide The Decline

  1. M Carpenter says:

    Love it!

  2. John Silver says:

    That’s Hide The Decline II, I want the original!

  3. John Silver says:

    Oh, there it is:

  4. ChrisD says:

    It’s interesting. My experience with “skeptics” is that about nine out of ten of the ones who parrot “hide the decline” know neither what declined nor what was used to “hide” it.

    Whoever made these videos certainly doesn’t appear to know.

    • papertiger says:

      Sounds like you want to make a bet about what Elmer does or doesn’t know.

      • ChrisD says:

        I don’t know who Elmer is, but if it’s the guy who made the video, he appears to think that the decline had something to do with a decline in global temps, since that’s the chart he shows behind “ignoring the downward line”.

        If that’s indeed what he thinks–and it is what most of the people I ask about it think–he’s wrong. That isn’t what declined.

      • papertiger says:

        Thousands of people you have spoken to about this (cough cough bulls**t), but never once were curious enough to ask the author of the video about it?

        Did you even watch the video? There are four bars before the singing starts. During the first two bars you’ll see a great big http://WWW.M4GW.COM.
        That’s Elmer’s blog.

        This is a teachable moment. Common theme with CAGW advocates, they spend weeks bothering people without ever once checking with the source (raw data).

      • ChrisD says:

        Yes, I watched the video. I had no particular interest in following the link. Why should I? The topic is the decline and the video. The video is the “raw data.”

        Common theme with CAGW advocates, they spend weeks bothering people without ever once checking with the source (raw data).

        Common theme among “skeptics”: Try to focus on irrelevancies (“You don’t know who Elmer is?”) rather than on the actual point (“What declined?”).

        And, regarding your “cough cough bulls**t”, kindly point out where I said that I’ve spoken to thousands of people about this video.

        I have spoken to hundreds, if not thousands, of “skeptics.” I’ve asked probably fifty of them, “What declined, and what was used to ‘hide’ it?” Maybe a half dozen actually knew the answer. That’s the point. Not whether or not I know who Elmer is.

    • Amino says:

      It’s interesting. My experience with “skeptics” is that about nine out of ten of the ones who parrot “hide the decline” know neither what declined nor what was used to “hide” it.

      How many have you spoken to?

    • Amino says:

      ChrisD says:
      October 5, 2010 at 12:37 pm

      …..know neither what declined nor what was used to “hide” it.

      What declined and what was used to hide it?

      • ChrisD says:

        What declined and what was used to hide it?

        No, no. I’m not the one claiming that Mann and Jones are frauds. People who are doing that ought to at the very least be able to say what declined and what was used to “hide” it.

        I’ve already pointed out that it wasn’t global temperatures. That alone is more than most “skeptics” (including Sarah Palin) seem to know.

    • papertiger says:

      I have spoken to hundreds, if not thousands, of “skeptics.” I’ve asked probably fifty of them, “What declined, and what was used to ‘hide’ it?”

      Let the record reflect that that when pressed the hostile witness (ChrisD) recanted prior testimony.

      • ChrisD says:

        Uh, no.

        You can’t make up something I didn’t say and then claim that I’ve “recanted” when I point out that I didn’t say it.

        I even asked you to point out where I said that I’ve spoken to thousands of skeptics about this video. Can you do that?

        But the bigger point is that you’re still trying to steer the dialog away from the real issue: That the vast majority of “hide the decline” parroters–apparently including “Elmer”–don’t even know what declined.

      • papertiger says:

        ChrisD

        Three times a liar. Good day sir.

      • ChrisD says:

        In the future, it would be well to avoid calling someone a liar when you can’t possibly back it up with any facts.

        I have asked you twice to point out where I said that I asked hundreds or thousands of people about this video. You ignore the question–as you must, since I didn’t say it–and yet you have the stones to call me a liar.

        The question to which I responded asked how many skeptics I’ve spoken to. The answer was, and remains, “hundreds, if not thousands.”

  5. Mike M. says:

    What declined was the usefulness of tree ring proxies. They would appear to show declining temperatures just when modern thermometers showed rising temps. If someone saw that, why, they just might call into question the use of ALL tree ring proxies for historical temperature reconstructions. Rightfully so, we say.

    For your enlightenment Dudley…

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/06/american-thinker-understanding-climategates-hidden-decline/

    Dishonest intentions, like trying to make the MWP disappear, require dishonest methods.

    • ChrisD says:

      Mike, congratulations. You are one of the chosen few “skeptics” who actually knows what declined, and that it was not the temperature.

      Please write to Sarah Palin and George Will so that they don’t further embarrass themselves.

    • ChrisD says:

      And, by the way, name-calling is pretty juvenile.

  6. Amino says:

    ChrisD says:
    October 6, 2010 at 9:54 am

    How many have you spoken to?

    Hundreds, if not thousands.

    Where and when did you speak to the 1000’s?

  7. Amino says:

    ChrisD says:
    October 6, 2010 at 9:59 am

    What declined and what was used to hide it?

    You didn’t answer.

    Do you know what it was that declined and what was used to hide it?

  8. Amino says:

    ChrisD says:
    October 6, 2010 at 9:59 am

    No, no. I’m not the one claiming that Mann and Jones are frauds.

    Are you meaning that nothing declined and nothing was hidden?

    • ChrisD says:

      No, something declined. It wasn’t the temperature. Something like 90% of the fifty or so “skeptics” I’ve asked didn’t know that. Sarah Palin doesn’t know that. It looks from this video like “Elmer” doesn’t know that. Parroting “Hide the decline!!!” without even knowing what it was that declined seems kinda, well, ignorant.

    • I didn’t realize that I had written the article about Sarah Palin. Sorry that I got distracted.

      • ChrisD says:

        You posted an item containing a “hide the decline” video from someone who, like Sarah Palin, doesn’t know what declined. And you don’t think that’s interesting at all?

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