Brendon:
You seem to also lack an understanding of History and Biology. Polar bears have been here for a couple hundred thousand years. Which means they lived through two periods that were warmer than any time during this interglacial. They lived through a period 5 to 8 thousand years ago when there were forests along the Arctic coast that is frozen tundra now. The forests in Northern Canada were hundreds of miles further north 800 years ago than they are today which would indicate a warmer temperature in the Arctic region. If you want to claim the MWP was a regional phenomena you need to realize the phenomena was in the far north where Polar Bears live.
When they can grow orange trees and date trees in Scotland and Maine you can start worrying.
Here is a tidbit for those on the left. The Democrats lost more House, Senate, and State Legislature seats than the Republicans did in the 1974 midterm election. Remember 1974 midterms were after Watergate and Nixon’s resignation. Obama is worse than Nixon in the eyes of the voter, there is no way to spin it, elections matter, a lot!
Didn’t know that about the Nixon comparison. I knew it was bad for Obama but not that bad.
I wonder how his popularity will do because of the $2 billion India trip. $2 billion could solve the housing problem. Or, it can give the President 10 days in India.
I do not beleive the $200 million a day price tag. I think that is not accurate. The trip is lavish and very “Let them eat cake”, but the number cannot be backed up.
JonP:
If you figure in the copy of having the 7th fleet in the Indian Ocean or at minimum an Aircraft Carrier task force the numbers are probably low regarding the cost of the trip.
This is OT, so it’s my last comment, the White House is not giving the amount. Whatever it is all the things in this article are unbelievable with the economy the way it is. Obama is an empty suit. He is clueless.
But numbers for a carrier group would apply to any President, it is what is different about the trip and that only has minor importance. I agree that the trip is over the top, but to continue to harp on it could back fire as in the minds of voters it will appear petty.
It is possible that is the purpose for overhyping the trip.
I think there are those who claim to be conservatives that are degrading the conservative image. Then I also think there are the obvious idiots on the progressive side that can be used as a good example of average progressive intelligence.
I am not Biased against the miserable scum of the earth that call themselves progressives. 😉
I do not disagree with you. I found the most successful politician is the one that gets away with the biggest lies. The labels being used in political circles are more illusion created to deceive the voters.
There is also the need to provide a useful definition of freedom and progress as most statements from a progressive promote regressive actions.
I see it affects you on a personal level. You emote.
now that is amusing. by juvenille i meant emotional and naive. of course, it is juvenille for me to say so. 😉
Mike Davis says:
November 7, 2010 at 11:03 pm
I do not disagree with you. I found the most successful politician is the one that gets away with the biggest lies. The labels being used in political circles are more illusion created to deceive the voters.
There is also the need to provide a useful definition of freedom and progress as most statements from a progressive promote regressive actions.
my point exactly…well almost exactly. you just have to apply the last to all politicians. well, except for maybe ron paul.
and jon might have me little bit after all. i do have a emotional attachments to both freedomandprogress.
it pains me to see the words used as pejoratives, and i have to wonder at those who do, whatever they claim as a politics. everytime someone uses “liberal” as an insult, i think, “Gee, they hate freedom.” And people who don’t like progressives should move to china or el salvador and see how they like the working and environmental conditions there. unless you live off your investments (in which case your detestation of progress is understandable) you will be living the world of Dickens.
in any case there are neither progressives nor liberals in our political system. the dialogue is manufactured, and both parties are in the employ of the owning class. i have one prediction for the next two years:
more war and more debt. these are the twin pillars of the one party state.
as long as you continue to vote for democrats or republicans, there will be in this country only the continuing slide into totalitarianism.
Your version (if you are a progressive / liberal) of freedom and progress is entangled in the chains of government. The people provide freedom and progress, not the government. The larger and more far reaching the government becomes, the less free we are. The larger government becomes the more widespread the corruption and special interests. It is not a Democrat or Republican issue it is an issue of ideology. The Federal government is far to large, its powers have far expanded beyond the framework of the Constitution and the vision of the framers.
It is probably true that neither party is capable of reducing the size of government, but those on the left bodly state they want to make it larger and more intrusive, so when one is only left with a single choice…
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Works for me …
Thousands of years ago it was not as warm as what we’re headed for in 100-200 years from now under the A1FI IPCC scenario.
Fortunately I would not put too much credibility on what the IPCC say.
Brendon:
You seem to also lack an understanding of History and Biology. Polar bears have been here for a couple hundred thousand years. Which means they lived through two periods that were warmer than any time during this interglacial. They lived through a period 5 to 8 thousand years ago when there were forests along the Arctic coast that is frozen tundra now. The forests in Northern Canada were hundreds of miles further north 800 years ago than they are today which would indicate a warmer temperature in the Arctic region. If you want to claim the MWP was a regional phenomena you need to realize the phenomena was in the far north where Polar Bears live.
When they can grow orange trees and date trees in Scotland and Maine you can start worrying.
Thousands of years ago it was not as warm as what we’re headed for in 100-200 years from now under the A1FI IPCC scenario.
So they’ve got active imagination.
He won it for climate change? Didn’t know that. I thought he got it because he’s part of the radical left of politics.
Here is a tidbit for those on the left. The Democrats lost more House, Senate, and State Legislature seats than the Republicans did in the 1974 midterm election. Remember 1974 midterms were after Watergate and Nixon’s resignation. Obama is worse than Nixon in the eyes of the voter, there is no way to spin it, elections matter, a lot!
Didn’t know that about the Nixon comparison. I knew it was bad for Obama but not that bad.
I wonder how his popularity will do because of the $2 billion India trip. $2 billion could solve the housing problem. Or, it can give the President 10 days in India.
I do not beleive the $200 million a day price tag. I think that is not accurate. The trip is lavish and very “Let them eat cake”, but the number cannot be backed up.
FYI
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/04/gop-wins-all-time-high-in-state-legislative-seats/
I have heard the White House isn’t denying it. Have they denied it yet? I don’t watch a lot of tv.
JonP:
If you figure in the copy of having the 7th fleet in the Indian Ocean or at minimum an Aircraft Carrier task force the numbers are probably low regarding the cost of the trip.
This is OT, so it’s my last comment, the White House is not giving the amount. Whatever it is all the things in this article are unbelievable with the economy the way it is. Obama is an empty suit. He is clueless.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326962/Obamas-India-visit-security-erect-bomb-proof-tunnel-Gandhi-museum.html
Mike,
But numbers for a carrier group would apply to any President, it is what is different about the trip and that only has minor importance. I agree that the trip is over the top, but to continue to harp on it could back fire as in the minds of voters it will appear petty.
It is possible that is the purpose for overhyping the trip.
I think there are those who claim to be conservatives that are degrading the conservative image. Then I also think there are the obvious idiots on the progressive side that can be used as a good example of average progressive intelligence.
I am not Biased against the miserable scum of the earth that call themselves progressives. 😉
Hard to disagree with the truth 🙂
the miserable scum of the earth that call themselves progressives.
as opposed to the scum of earth that call themselves conservatives, who oppose freedom and progress?
the politics do get juvenille around here.
I see it affects you on a personal level. You emote. You must be a liberal. Enjoy the next two years, I know I will and the country will benefit.
I do not disagree with you. I found the most successful politician is the one that gets away with the biggest lies. The labels being used in political circles are more illusion created to deceive the voters.
There is also the need to provide a useful definition of freedom and progress as most statements from a progressive promote regressive actions.
Jon P says:
November 7, 2010 at 10:59 pm
I see it affects you on a personal level. You emote.
now that is amusing. by juvenille i meant emotional and naive. of course, it is juvenille for me to say so. 😉
Mike Davis says:
November 7, 2010 at 11:03 pm
I do not disagree with you. I found the most successful politician is the one that gets away with the biggest lies. The labels being used in political circles are more illusion created to deceive the voters.
There is also the need to provide a useful definition of freedom and progress as most statements from a progressive promote regressive actions.
my point exactly…well almost exactly. you just have to apply the last to all politicians. well, except for maybe ron paul.
and jon might have me little bit after all. i do have a emotional attachments to both freedom and progress.
it pains me to see the words used as pejoratives, and i have to wonder at those who do, whatever they claim as a politics. everytime someone uses “liberal” as an insult, i think, “Gee, they hate freedom.” And people who don’t like progressives should move to china or el salvador and see how they like the working and environmental conditions there. unless you live off your investments (in which case your detestation of progress is understandable) you will be living the world of Dickens.
in any case there are neither progressives nor liberals in our political system. the dialogue is manufactured, and both parties are in the employ of the owning class. i have one prediction for the next two years:
more war and more debt. these are the twin pillars of the one party state.
as long as you continue to vote for democrats or republicans, there will be in this country only the continuing slide into totalitarianism.
Your version (if you are a progressive / liberal) of freedom and progress is entangled in the chains of government. The people provide freedom and progress, not the government. The larger and more far reaching the government becomes, the less free we are. The larger government becomes the more widespread the corruption and special interests. It is not a Democrat or Republican issue it is an issue of ideology. The Federal government is far to large, its powers have far expanded beyond the framework of the Constitution and the vision of the framers.
It is probably true that neither party is capable of reducing the size of government, but those on the left bodly state they want to make it larger and more intrusive, so when one is only left with a single choice…
darn. all that code and i missed one close statement!