THERE may come a point, if the world warms enough, when parts of the tropics will become so hot and humid that humans will not be able to survive. Models predict that this could start to happen in places in as little as 100 years in the worst case scenario.
Let me rephrase :
“Using broken climate models, we can generate a worst case scenario which might possibly produce (in a time frame where models have 0% accuracy) conditions we initially set out to prove, so that we could get our 15 minutes of fame.”
UAH shows tropical temperatures increasing at rate of less than one degree per century. And most of that was due to volcanic eruptions in the 1980s and 1990s.
This certainly is alarmist. But that does not mean it is wrong, and it does not state that this is going to happen, only a possible worst case scenario.
One can and should debate the possibility of this happening. I am not a big fan of this sort of thing myself.
Please explain how volcanic eruptions increase temp?
I am surprised you did not figure that out. If the volcano activity happened before the records or during the earlier portions of the records and produced cooling the after affects would have to be warming.
It is well known that even huge increases in CO2 will have almost no effect on the temperature of the tropics.
If one side of the teeter totter is down, what happens to the other side?
It becomes a broken hockey stick!!!!
“Please explain how volcanic eruptions increase temp?”
Yes Steve I’d like to know about your comment that the temperature increase is mostly due to volcanic eruptions in the 80s and 90s. This is a theory that I am unaware off so I hope you can link to the research supporting it.
And that is your supporting research?
The tropics, even according to model outputs, are the least likely regions to experience any changes in temperatures. Everything I read about model outputs claim the warming will be most noticeable at the poles and the effects will decrease at lower latitudes. The warming at the Equatorial region will happen after the rest of the globe warms / equalizes with the tropics.
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The tropics, even according to model outputs, are the least likely regions to experience any changes in temperatures. Everything I read about model outputs claim the warming will be most noticeable at the poles and the effects will decrease at lower latitude.
Except the upper tropical troposphere. It shows a lot of warming, in all models. Its not unique to GHGs though, as it could be warmed by solar influences as well. That is why its called the Tropical Tropospheric HOTSPOT.
Which is moot, as the Tropical Troposphere has not warmed nearly as much as the models say.
The Hockey Team, of course, took the approach that the thousands of thermometers launched with radiosondes are inaccurate, so devised wind proxies to take the temperature. Even with this suspect methodology, they had to expand the error bars, to get models and proxies “consistent with”.
But, your point is correct. The surface tropics will see the least effects of warming. For some reason though, the inhabitants will suffer the most.
Global warming selectively targets poor people. That is why alarmists want to raise fuel prices and turn food into biofuels, in order to protect the poor people – by starving them.
Ya, but if you’re already dead from starvation you won’t have to face dying from global warming.
I was talking about surface conditions because of the controversy about GAV’s Big Red Dog in the Tropical Troposphere which is / is not a Finger print of AGW according to IPCC and Santer / Surrealclimate and the tribe. With the current contradictory statements form the climatology tribes it is not worth mentioning. Maybe I will add that Douglas provided the most plausible explanation but that one as some other claims have died on the vine with the tribe falsely claiming victory without providing real evidence of their original claims.
I have been waiting for SOMEONE on this site to bring up a real issue and my man Mike has done so. I was so hoping it would be you ❤
It has been totally out there in the climate alarmCultists writings for months now, but this is the first I have seen anyone mention it here.
(cue funny party hats, confetti, and those party favors that you blow into that go in and out)
It is actually a nonissue that was blown out of proportion by the team when they attempted to disprove Douglas by hand waving and blowing more smoke at the issue.
Please explain. I thought that the discrepancy that was not predicted was an actual problem with current ACC theory. You are saying it is not?
Please don’t say that, because it shoots to hell my theory that you guys can’t accept ANY idea that supports ACC
I am saying the Finger print claimed in the IPCC report as evidence does not exist and no amount of smoke can change that.
The Big Red Dog is a children’s fantasy being prompted by the team. Only the team can see what is not there.
Oh, my!!! You mean to tell me that there may be some deserts and jungles that could become uninhabitable? Alert the presses! People need to be warned!
They might ask army vets what they think about this. Summer temperature in Bagdad is often 50 C, which does not stop people living their lives. It is harder to air condition a tent than a climate scientist’s office.
Retirees have been trying to escape Global warming by moving from the North East and upper Mid West where it is getting to hot to milder climates like Phoenix and Las Vegas.
November 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm
… in order to protect the poor people – by starving them.
the MO of government in general