Apparently he hasn’t figured out that tricky Internet thing yet.
I would hope that people living in the Deep South (of the USA) see this article. Plenty of record cold there the past week.
Most people living in the South East (U S A) do not believe what Hansen has to say anyhow.
anybody have the average ice over date for Hudsons bay?
well, it finally stayed below freezing in Vt today. first time all year ( I mean since march).
I actually left some tools out in a bucket in the 2 inches of rain we got yesterday (instead of 20″ of snow that I didn’t have to snow blow!). It turned to ice and I had to break the tools out of the ice
They only slightly rusted and I was able to scrub them back into decent condition. I posit that completely submerged iron rusts much slower than wet iron exposed to the atmosphere? Does anybody know about that?
I can’t site anything specifically, but rust is the result of oxidization. There’s more O2 in the air than in the water. There should be more rust above ground than below. I’m probably way over simplifying, but I’ll buy your posit with the caveat that I haven’t really put any thought or effort. An easy test though, put a shovel in a bucket to where only half of the spade is submerged. Track the relative humidity. Probably wouldn’t work in AZ or NV, but Vermont should be ok.
It stayed below freezing yesterday in SE KS.
Tony, I don’t know much about rust (though I heard it never sleeps — dating myself with that reference) But I do know that it didn’t get above freezing in Brattleboro, VT 7 of the last 10 days. (Though Sun/Mon we schorchers).
I don’t think that is accurate. We did not get over freezing the last couple of days, but I don’t think it has been below freezing all of last week during the day. I was VERY happy I did not have to shovel 20″ of snow on Sunday.
Where do you get that info?
Strangely I often get the temp from the internet and it says the high for the day will be 37 and the current temp is 42. or the low for the day is 25 and the current temp will be 19.
I have been trying to google various things and i don’t get any sites that give me what i want!
Well, you’d be wrong. Perception is a funny thing Tony…From the accuweather website
12/15 High 19F
12/14 High 27F
12/13 High 56F
12/12 High 52F
12/11 High 33F
12/10 High 23F
12/9 High 23F
12/8 High 29F
12/5-7 High 30F
11 days 3 over freezing (one by just a degree)
You did say you lived in Brattleboro, right?
Update for Tony…
If you don’t trust Accuweather’s temps, here are the readings from the MVT010 weather station (I think its run by the VT DOT)
12/15 High 20
12/14 High 29
12/13 High 52
12/12 High 48
12/11 High 41
12/10 High 21
12/9 High 23
12/8 High 29
12/7 High 31
12/6 High 30
12/5 High 33
So it says 7 of the last 11 were under freezing. Says a bit about sighting doesn’t it?
you are right perception is a funny thing.
I stand corrected. Now is that the 3rd time I have admitted to making a mistake? See how easy it is boys?
since you found this stuff, can you get me the avg. temps for Sept, Oct, Nov, and compare them to this years temps?
if they are not higher than average, I will admit again that I am wrong.
Thanks for supplying unambiguous data.
Off the top of my head, I know that Oct & Nov we’re above avg for the state of VT (Nov was above by almost 2 degrees I believe)
Dec started out about -1F but I’m pretty last weekend erased most of that.
I’ll see what I can find for you.
Two out three were hotter (at least at the state level)
Avgs for th state of VT from
Sept Avg. 57.04 Sept 2010 59.5 +2.06
Oct Avg. 46.14 Oct 2010 45.3 -.85
Nov Avg. 34.59 Nov 2010 35.7 +1.11
Got this from NOAA & used the following pages.
long term averages
thanks for the info. You are right about perception. I actually thought October was clearly warmer than normal. I would have been really shocked if September hadn’t been, because we got this really hot days near the beginning and the end.
The perception in this case is easy to explain…one cold moth sandwiched between two warm ones…especially when you’re expecting the months to get consecutively cooler.
I also think the different readings from Accuweather & your local weather station speak to the issue of siting differences. But we’ll save that discussion for the next article about extrapolated surface temps.
I just want to expand on my last comment a bit.
If you add up the Accuweather temps the Avg temp so far this month is exactly 32F
The MVT010 weather station temps add up to 32.45F (mostly based on the difference between readings on 12/11 AW has 33F MVT has 41F and 8F difference!) .
I know adding more input sources, longer time scales & tossing out outliers reduces these sort of things, but it really does illustrate how different sites/data sets can make a huge difference.
Seeing how small VT is (Thanks for not being from TX Tony!) and how large the variation between locations can be how much faith can we put into all the warm temps extrapolated where there are no thermometers?
Not only is VT small, I live in what is known as the banana belt. Low elevation right off the connecticut river. it is very common to have rain and see every third car with 6 inches of snow on the top because they came from 8 miles away.
I do not know enough to tell you how much faith to put in extrapolated temps.
But I really do appreciate supplying me with the info and explanations. I am guessing DEC is going to be significantly colder than the average this year!
No problem Tony…and btw, IMHO this is the kind of discourse I think we should all striving for…I guarantee Tony & I can’t be further apart on our beliefs about AGW, but we can trade information and ideas civilly. I for one attempt to argue with as much data as I can find and leave out as many of the ad homs as I can (though I let my internal monologue insult the hell out of people.)
Now quit bugging me and go juggle something…circus freak!
Unfrozen Hudson Bay causing cold waves in Europe? That is a new one on me. Plus the fact is that Hudson Bay is not unfrozen. Lies on top of lies!
I guess Hansen is deluding himself because all he sees in Canada is red.
More CO2 causes more warming. More CO2 also causes cooling. Anywhere the weather goes, it’s due to man-made warming. Thus, there should be more man-made regulations and taxation.
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