Piers Corbyn, of the long range forecaster, Weather Action, predicted more cold winters and cool summers. “In the winter reservoir levels will be low but they will probably pick up in the summer because we will have more rain. There will be regional differences because it will depend on where the high pressure might be.”
Mr Corbyn said the conditions had “nothing to do with global warming”, and he added: “The world is now cooling.”
He said: “It is changes in the position of the jet stream caused by changes in solar activity and lunar modulation.
“It is low solar activity but there are very specific lunar modulations which cause the jet stream to get stuck in certain ways, one of which is to give cold northerly blasts in the winter.”
Funny Eh, what Mr Corbyn can do with a laptop computer that the Met office and the others pushing this AGW can’t do with a super computer! I guess there is something lost here in the interpretation of data or the fix is programmed in, or a combination of both?
So,what is it that Piers can ‘do with a laptop’,Russ? Make unsupported statements about the climate? Don’t you want to see his data and code? Any idea how much help he gets from UK Met?
Too funny he got it right Eh! Can’t say the same about the Met even if he did get his info from there! Now what does that tell you!
Maybe there is a bigger can of worms to be opened and the blame is to be pointed at else where acording to you, So if it isn’t the super computer because that is where you claim Piers got his info from and it can’t be from people working there. Because they wouldn’t dare want to look bad again, then it must be from?
Don’t get too “Hot” about global climate predictions made by people who can’t differentiate between “global” and “local” or “weather” and “climate”. The Global climate is still warming. As a result Local weather will become more extreme. Hotter summer some places, cooler winters other places; and more extreme storms of all kinds. Droughts here, floods there. Pay your money and take your choice. EVEN (look up the term “Climatic Flip-Flop”) possibly glaciation in places. Particularly if cold melt water from the Arctic diverts the Gulf Stream away from Europe.
Forget “modelling” and “prediction”. It’s a new ballgame.
The Global climate is still warming.
You made this claim but did not provide evidence.
‘Climate flip flop’, a new iteration in global warming. You just cannot decide what to call your religion, can you. You people have filth in your minds.
Yep it is warming….veewy veewy sloooowly.
2XCO2 of 0.6 C gives about 0.1 C/century of CO2 caused warming, which slightly more than offsets the normal cooling rate going into the next ice age.
At about 0.05 C/century left over warming by CO2 it clearly justifies taxes on all fun, profit and breathing don’t you agree?
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 2:01 am
Don’t get too “Hot” about global climate predictions made by people who can’t differentiate between “global” and “local” or “weather” and “climate”.
Michael,
should I listen to your propaganda or Piers Corbyn’s 85% accuracy record? I know which.
I’m summarizing the research of around 800 proven scientists that has been published and critically reviewed for 100 years. Not my own propaganda. I don’t know Piers, nor the site publishing. I’m sure they are good sincere people. Propaganda, by the way, is used to sway people to your vested interests. I have no vested interests. I gain or lose nothing, and facts are not changed, by other peoples beliefs.
I’ve been trying to correct what appears to be unfounded information. Unfortunately what we believe about the matter does not change the world.
(No, personally, I don’t think that humans cutting emissions to
Zero is going to stop anything. Not at this point.)
ROFLMAO!
That is what I love about this site. It attracts those that need top defend Pathological Science!
It could be supported by “2500” and still be wrong! No matter the numbers you quote there is still no real world evidence that CO2 or any other GHG has changed weather patterns in any measurable way. What we have is 25 years of SWAGs promoting the idea the Sky is Falling.
If you belong to the Chicken Little Brigade do you have a special “Uniform” you get to wear?
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 2:11 pm
I’m summarizing the research of around 800 proven scientists
Please list all 800 of these scientists and what they said so I know you are making up a fable.
“800 proven scientists” – Bwahahaaha!
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 2:01 am
It’s a new ballgame.
Nah. It’s the same ole crap. Same crap, different day.
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 2:01 am
cooler winters other places
No, wrong word. It’s COLDER, better yet, RECORD COLD. Cooler is your watered down version of the truth. But I see you had no trouble saying “hotter” instead of “warmer”.
Here it is again for Michale, What are you saying? Pay your money and take your choice or chance?
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 2:01 am
and more extreme storms of all kinds.
You are now covering every possible event. You say everything will always be caused by global warming, even record cold and record snow cover extent. Now, no matter what happens in weather you can say you predicted it. You could even say that if the earth was covered in snow it was because of global warming.
No. But I assume you’re using hyperbole to make a point. Not “everything is caused by global warming” nor “if the world is covered with snow”. What I said is that warming the tropical oceans causes more evaporation. Global wind patterns being what they are the extra moisture is carried to the poles and precipitates out (some getting dumped on high mountains along the way). At the moment (geologic moment) we are in the middle of a cycle.
The zones along the interfaces of climate (temperate zones) are being subjected to greater activity. “Temperate zone” is something of a joke. That’s temperate on the average. Like the first year in South Dakota we had 5 months of snow and wind chills down to -70F; then that summer it reached 110F. BUT on the average it was quite pleasant.
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Like the first year in South Dakota we had 5 months of snow and wind chills down to -70F; then that summer it reached 110F.
You claim new things are happening but you provide no proof. What you talk about is not unnatural. Maybe you think something new is happening but nothing new is happening. You do not know much.
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 2:01 am
ROTFLMAO….they must have fired up their bot on us again…;)
HAHAHA I think so!
fired up the bot, good one!
You are deluding yourself Michael. Provide evidence for your claims.
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In the meantime in the real world:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1997
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001/trend
30 years of University teaching eh Michael? If your comments are typical of your scientific approach, then it does not say much for the quality of University education these days.
PS You missed out less extreme storms!
Small correction – it’s 30 years environmental research, through universities. Twenty years in the Caribbean and 10 in South America, for national and international groups. “Climatic flip-flop” isn’t new. It was being discussed in the 1990s; published in 1998. Woods Hole Oceanographic and both Danish and Swedish researchers have been monitoring the Arctic and North seas, watching the progress. Glaciation is no longer thought to take thousands of years, but possibly to occur in decades.
Believe as you will. Our beliefs in the long run don’t matter.
Michael:
That answers all the questions right there! The Climate “Flip Flop” Has been known and talked about since before I was in school in the 50s and 60s. They just did not have all the research behind their statements then.
Climate has always changed!
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 1:30 pm
“Climatic flip-flop”
What you are saying is normal events are now called global warming, or, flip flop. You talk like weather has never changed before.
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Glaciation is no longer thought to take thousands of years, but possibly to occur in decades.
This one is the most mindless so far. Got another to top it? Can you be yet sicker?
What are you saying? Pay your money and take your choice or chance?
It’s the latest scare tactic. They are all fear mongers. I am beginning to think they are evil, not just wrong.
I think you are not off the mark with that statement!
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 2:01 am
Don’t get too “Hot” about global climate predictions made by people who can’t differentiate between “global” and “local” or “weather” and “climate”. The Global climate is still warming. As a result Local weather will become more extreme.
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And you actually believe that?
Nothing about the weather or climate is getting more extreme.
That’s why they call them hundred year floods and events Michael.
Things are not more extreme. But saying that won’t scare people. So they must yell the sky is falling. They’ve taken one too many acorns to the head.
It rained today………
If it had rained only a little, it would be because global warming is causing a drought, and we can expect it to get worse.
If it had rained a lot, it would be because global warming is melting the Arctic, putting more moisture in the air, making the jet stream dip further south, and we can expect it to get worse.
….if this trend continues
I swear, there’s no science in this at all. They are still nothing more than glorified weather men watching trends…..
Can’t predict when a trend will end, start, turn around and go the other way, the only thing they can predict is….
…..if this trend continues
Trouble is that these 100 year events seem to be coming along every few years. (100 year event – most over hyped/used expression lately)
However, like Piers Corbyn I blame this on the internet.
i.e. instant worldwide communications mean that more “extreme events” are being reported than there was pre – internet age.
Yeah every since the information age, How many of those have you heard of before that!
Small world now Isn`t IT!
No they’re not Beano…..
Do you remember Moses parted the waters?
Yeah. I read about that at Snopes.com.
Exactly, that is why Engineers engineer things to those 100 year events. But what happens, The political powers to be will believe someone else and take the cheaper route, and then later blame it in AGW to get out of their wrong doings and to collect more taxes for what they want. But that is my opinion on it. Also don`t believe all the enginereing reports, be SKEPTICAL of those too, put out to tenders and get as many offers as you can on that tender.
correct
on the one hand you have people trying to blame warming
on the other you have people hyping it, the insurance companies using it as an excuse to charge higher rates
You see the key word is Skeptical here and the want to call us deniers!
I’ve lived through a 3 year flood, hurricane, a super cell tornado, and 2 blizzards; all of which exceeded the 100 year records; all during the last 15 years. Admittedly, we are keeping more and better records now. Maybe they were as severe before but no one recorded it. Time will tell.
Michael:
A Hundred year flood does not mean it will only happen every hundred years.
I have lived through 100 year floods in the region I lived in and they occurred about every 4 or 5 years. The only thing that changed through the years was the people living in at risk locations increased. All of the events you describe were related to an event that happened at some time before you were even born so you have just experienced “Normal” weather patterns!
If you want to be believable stop confusing weather and climate.
The Thermohaline is supposed to shift and does to a certain extent every so often. There is evidence it has shifted many times in the past and there are many WAGs about why it shifted. It WILL shift and may shift dramatically at some point in the future. A BUS may run over you at some time in the future also or a Polar Bear may fall out of the sky at crush you. Your house may explode because of a gas build up or a tree could fall on you!
STUFF HAPPENS!!!!!
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 1:37 pm
I’ve lived through a 3 year flood, hurricane, a super cell tornado, and 2 blizzards; all of which exceeded the 100 year records; all during the last 15 years
You have not looked into weather much. Weather was more severe in the past. We are in a time of milder weather events. It is only your lack of study that makes you say weather is getting worse. You really don’t know much. You are an alarmist. You are telling us the sky is falling. Beware those acorns to the head.
They want to call us deniers! They!
This will make you “skeptical”….
Ever been watching TV and a commercial comes on pushing the “drug de jour”?
…immediately followed by the commercial from the law office, saying to call them if you took the “drug de jour” and your butt fell off
No “science” has, gets, and spends more money than medical, and this is the best they can do….
….and we’re supposed to believe some glorified weathermen
HAHAHAHA. I know and saw exactly what you are saying. HAHAHAHAHA, sometimes the cure they are giving you is worse, but hey, it made things worse, but cured your imediate problem. HAHAHAHA! So now they have to say it will cure this but may cause you to be suicidal among other problems you will get that you never had to keep from being sued. In the end it`s all about making money. So follow the the money.
one of the side effects of Prozac…
…is suicidal tendencies
go figure
They tried to put my grandmother on a pill for memory loss…
…the very first side effect was memory loss
Not funny any more now is it. And I hear exactly what your saying.
Now they are saying that Prozac is no better than the Placebo! Just costly “Sugar Pills”
I got a kick out of an ad the other day – for what I forget, over active bladder, acne, some damn thing – and they then listed potential side effects. The last listed was heart failure.
If less than one tenth of one percent of those taking a medication have some reaction or an existing condition that had gone undiagnosed it has to be listed as possible side effects.
Next they will have warning labels on shoes stating that wearing this brand of shoe may lead you to walk in front of a bus.
My opinion is the world should be more concerned about a genetic bio weapon than Global Warming.
The science world, has decoded the human genome and still do not have cures for any disease you may have, but does anyone see that.
Well funded research to find a cure for anything will only lead to more well funded research!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/28/the-met-office-and-the-bbc-caught-cold/
Thanks for the heads up. It was worth the click.
Your welcome. I guess I’m not what you thought I was, Eh!
And Maybe I was wrong about someone else here too, but hey Sorry about that.
What did it look like I thought you were?
But I’m not sorry if that person is from the AGW pro group,and they know who they are.
You said Canada sucks, what would you think it would look like but the ovious! That you were saying you were saying!
That was a joke. I should have but a wink face by it. I thought it was obvious it was a joke.
I didn’t know you are Canada. ;O)
Did I say what you were saying, what you were saying enough yet! HAHAHA! I just picked up on that So sorry about that too life in Meteorites !
OK, HAHAHA, all is forgiven, HAHAHA! I still don’t like the french, If that is ok with you, HEHEHEHEHAHAAAA
Who does?
I’m firing off a FOI to BBC to try and find exactly who said what to Harrabin.
See what we get.
Have you noticed this?:
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/the-met-office-winter-forecast-lie-is-finally-nailed/
nice OT
from Ryan Maue
2010 is in the books: Global Tropical Cyclone Accumulated Cyclone Energy [ACE] remains lowest in at least three decades, and expected to decrease even further…
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/
But you know they will say that is caused by the new Warncoldwetdry too! HAHAHA!
They’ve been flipping out saying there’s an increase in extreme weather events. So they haven’t gotten around to making a rationale for decreased cyclone activity. They’ll come up with some kind of damage control about it.
HAHAHA, I know, where is their starting point. That is the question to start with.
OT
Islamic suicide bomber explodes prematurely…… from a spam text:
A “Black Widow” suicide bomber planned a terrorist attack in central Moscow on New Year’s Eve but was killed when an unexpected text message set off her bomb too early…… message from her mobile phone operator wishing her a happy new year……. triggered her suicide belt, killing her at a safe house
http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Text+message+blows+suicide+bomber+accident/4172966/story.html
Good sucks to be them.
Hey, can anyone here check out some CBC web site, to find out what they are saying there, as I was just reading what Amino Acids in Meteorites had just typed in here, and missed the exact web site link they announced for that!, I mean the link to what they were saying on their bull shit. Sorry Amino Acids it just happened to happened right now!
RCI.NET Maybe! It was about artic ice
Say what you want, but I searched my self, and I couldn’t find anything new there. I just caught the latter bit about what they were saying and not the full story, but I am sure that story came up here on the net already and most likely the lot of you have already been right there fighting against that propaganda. All I was asking was to look for it as it was coming from what I had just heard on the radio at the time. But that is neither here nor there now, and the CBC is in my opinion do different than the BBC in their bias on this topic. How bad is it getting now when Skeptics don’t want to follow up on this? I guess the complacency will end up doing us in, the end now won’t it!
Gotta love that technology!
Yea Mickey, I gota love that technology since it got us here, and apparently Al Gore invented it, as the story goes. So the reality of that is too funny since that now that same man that invented this internet is the exact one that wants it censored or destroyed to support his fairy tales! NA forget that, it seems all the governments want to censor it on a whim, I wonder why?
Bwahahaahahahahahh!!!!! Beautiful.
No comment!
premature ejection?
The same, No Comment!
Arctic Ice
What the heck is going on at the Daily Telegraph? I see balanced journalism! Have we reached a tipping point?
Go to Google news and search for “Pakistan floods” or “Australia floods” and you will see plenty of erroneous claims about climate when these are just weather events. Me thinks you are utterly deluded.
Read and learn. Weather is not climate
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/csi/moscow2010/
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What is lunar modulation of the weather? Is there a good scientific explanation to what Piers is claiming?
Andy
Andy:
Have you ever heard about a thing called “Tides”!
Is there a good “SCIENTIFIC” explanation for that phenomena?
Not really. And forget “tides”. Tides are effects of the gravitational pull of the sun and moon on the earth. The oceans are most obvious, the atmosphere is next, and the magma lest well known. Piers is talking about the courses of the jet streams; which are most affected by areas of heating and cooling, the earth’s rotation, and the heat-sinks in the oceans.
The jet streams are very important in local weather patterns, but not on total global heating or cooling; except possibly in a second order way. Ocean current, like the Gulf Stream or the Humboldt Current, are the same, but more extreme.
Global heat balance effects the ocean currents and the jet streams, which in turn has an effect on weather patterns. The weather in South Dakota is often severe and extreme; but the climate is North Temperate.
Anyway, the answer is “No”.
Your babbling needs to be flushed now. Hold the handle down too to make sure it’s thoroughly gone. Spray the Glade air freshener afterward.
I’ve got another idea! Let’s shoot off on a real tangent.
-The Arctic mass is almost all ice.
-The Antarctic mass is almost all land, a continent (that once has forests).
The earth rotates at, roughly, 18,000 mph an the waters pool toward the equator (which hasn’t always been the equator) and everything, land, water, air is spinning around at the same high rate of speed.
-Arctic ice is melting and becoming water; thus tending to flow south and leaving much less mass at the North Pole.
-Antarctic ice is melting too, but the huge land mass remains.
*What if the earth becomes (more) unbalanced and leans over?
-The continents will keep moving about the same rate of speed; but inertia will make the “loose stuff”, water, air, magma try to keep going in the old direction (at about 18,000 mph)
What happens?
While we’re arguing about things out of our control let’s worry about that instead.
You really are becoming tedious. You need to preach the end of the world to people who no nothing of what really happens in climate. You are pure alarmism. And a fool.
know
You know; this is really boring. If you want to believe the world climate is not changing, feel free. Deny the 100 years research, the reputable scientists who have published their work. No one wants to make anyone believe what they don’t want to believe.
By the way-I didn’t say it was “un-natural”, just that it is changing. Change is natural.
However, since discussing it is useless, and since this is really clogging up my computer,
I’m going to unsubscribe and spend time where I can do some good. It’s been interesting.
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm
You know; this is really boring. If you want to believe the world climate is not changing,
Climate always changes. No one here ever said it didn’t. What is happening here is you are finding not everyone is naive and ignorant. You call normal weather patterns something to be alarmed about. We aren’t falling for it.
Yes, you do need to go somewhere else to the small group of people who run around screaming we must change our lives because you know for sure that the acorn that fell down onto your head was a sign of the end of the world. There are other little minds like yours. If you search long enough you’ll find them. The good news for you is that they are looking for you too. You folks are bound to bump into each other, even by accident. Just think of it, then you’ll be able to scare each other all you want without that stupid real world getting in your way! Gosh, how how wonderful that would be for you.
I love the way you put it. It’s a beauty!!
I am going to show this around. Perfect!!
Michael says:
January 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm
However, since discussing it is useless
You aren’t discussing. You are propagandizing.
Michael? One mean Amino Acid runs you off? Its too bad, perhaps you could have learned something. One of the base tenets of climate skepticism is that the world and climate is always changing. And always had. You pointed out these changes. If you desired something other than a tedious exchange, you probably shouldn’t have started out by criticizing something you don’t understand with an obviously errant assertion. A quick Google of Corbyn would imply an ability to differentiate between global and local. Astrophysicists typically can. Whether you agree with his methodologies or not, Piers kicks the Met’s arse on a daily, monthly, and yearly basis and has done so for years. Obviously, he knows something that the academic refuges in the Met don’t.
If you want to believe the world climate is not changing, feel free.
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and so what if it does Michael
You can’t do anything about it.
It is so humorous, yet sad to see people so fooled by the claim that x number of scientists believe in this or that, so therefore it much be correct. (eg: 2500 scientists support the theory of global warming). Here is a quote from the Encyclodedia Brittanica. All I can say is, produce the facts that global Warming is man made and has no other cause. Produce the facts that man can control the weather. Until then all these Global Warming promoters are just a bunch of cranks.
The rising Nazi movement found a convenient target in relativity, branding it “Jewish physics” and sponsoring conferences and book burnings to denounce Einstein and his theories. The Nazis enlisted other physicists, including Nobel laureates Philipp Lenard and Johannes Stark, to denounce Einstein. One Hundred Authors Against Einstein was published in 1931. When asked to comment on this denunciation of relativity by so many scientists, Einstein replied that to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact.
As Sgt. Joe Friday wold say, “All we want are the facts, Maam.”
Einstein was such a great wit!
Michael is comprehension challenged……………..
Michale lives in a very bizarre world where glaciation is sped up while the earth warms.
Bizarre or not…
…..telling people that are freezing their butts off that it’s global warming is just not going to fly
It looks like whether something can fly or not isn’t mattering much. They still pretend it is flying.
We could be in the midst of the next ice age with glaciers in New York and the AGW proponents would be going “See, this proves Global Warming.” They’ve set it up so no matter what happens with the climate EVERTHING proves global warming.