Libby And Pandolfi Were Correct in 1979

http://joannenova.com.au/

That is exactly what happened. Winter temperatures have plummeted during the last decade. In the US, they have gone down at a rate of 41 degrees per century.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

Winter temperatures in Russia and Alaska have dropped by as much as 7C over the past decade.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/

Three of the four snowiest winters have occurred during the past four years.

http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_seasonal.php?ui_set=nhland&ui_season=1

In North America, 2010 was the snowiest winter on record.

http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_seasonal.php?ui_set=namgnld&ui_season=1

Spring snowpack in the US is the highest on record.

http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/snotelanom/basinswe.html

 

 

 

Climate Predictions 1979

St Petersburg times news 1979

http://news.google.com/newspapers

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27 Responses to Libby And Pandolfi Were Correct in 1979

  1. P.J. says:

    This is what I like to see … a real application of the scientific method – making predictions based on the evidence, rather than having a pre-conceived notion of what the outcome is.

  2. glacierman says:

    Its funny. Tree rings used to give good data up until……approximately the late 1980s. Then they went crazy or something. All their sensitivity went away. Little ice ages and warming periods could no longer be detected. In fact they were no longer a good proxy for temperature at all…..that is until someone figured out that if you spliced another data set onto the end, it showed exactly what the authors knew it should have showed all along.

    • higley7 says:

      Tree rings only accidentally correlated as there are too many variables that influence rings—water, temperature, CO2, nutrients, shade, competition, bugs, and disease. Many tree ring researchers have admitted that it is risky to latch on to only one parameter.

  3. Tourist in Chief says:

    Amazing. Dead on. I wonder what happened to these two.

  4. Dave G says:

    This am the LSM was all about the terrible weather we’re having “worse than ever” and now the hurricane season has begun and how bad it’s going to be GEEZ it’s like they want this stuff to happen

    • Squidly says:

      The only news that sells is BAD news …

      – cheers.

      • Russ says:

        That and with the communication system in this modern day. We hear about these bad events all the time all the time, and some times in real time, wherever it may happen. If you haven’t noticed Steves news paper clips of these bad events he posts here constantly, that still happened but wasn’t news around the world at that time, like it is today. They say shit happens but when it is twisted it’s bullshit, that and never let a good crisis go to waste where you can get the same bullshit.

  5. Jimash says:

    I see this is getting some coverage. Good.
    Maybe now someone will re-do the work correctly, without political agenda.
    As far as I am concerned Dr. Libby was to Michael Mann as Dr. Einstein was to Bill Nye the Science guy.
    Thank you Steven.

  6. suyts says:

    Steve, I made a post graphing the last twenty years of Snow extent for Fall, Winter, and Spring, and then the entirety using GSL. You’re more than welcome to use the graphics or any part of it.

    The last 20 years monthly year-round NH snow extent graph with trend, http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/image5.png

  7. Andy Weiss says:

    Jim,

    You are just giving your stamp of approval to peer reviewed studies that indicate that warmcold can cause lessmore snow. All totally consistent with a disrupted jet stream and a warming planet. Unless we immediately reduce CO2 emissions to zero, we are all doomed!

  8. Scott says:

    Steve, the trend is for the contiguous U.S., but it looks like it’d even be more negative if it included Alaska and Hawaii. Is there a way to include them?

    -Scott

  9. Ill wind blowing says:

    I noticed two things:

    The Northern Hemisphere Winter Season is November through April; not December through January. The image below is the annual trend.

    The anomaly map was smoothed to 250km which gives a misleading view of the increased pulse of warmth in the arctic. When properly adjusted there is a .15C increase instead of a -.03C decline.

    Here is the map adjusted for true winter season:

  10. Ill wind blowing says:

    Steve, my post in response to yours has been in moderation for a while. It’s a rather long one.

  11. Jeff L says:

    Steve,
    I have a copy from the original article from the Times in something they called “The Student Outlook” that was circulated around school science classes in the LA area at the time. I was 15 at the time but already a weather nut & found this article interesting enough to stuff away & hang on to for all these years. It includes a graph of 20 year average global temps. Lots of interesting comments can be made from it :
    1) Note that in 1979, temps were still trending down & they had the right forecast that they would start rising from that point thru to about 2005. At that time, everyone else was talking about the next ice age. They may have been the only ones at that point making a forecast that flew against what everyone else was saying.
    2) This article pre-dates the politicization of the science – I think it is fair to characterize this as purely a data driven hypothesis.
    3) The graph shows temps rolling over around 2005, then falling sharply around 2018+/-. So far it is a very good match, although the magnitude is ride from 1979 to 2005 was somewhat higher than forecast. It is a way better fit than any alarmist forecast over the same time period.
    4) Their forecast is based on cyclicity seen in carbon isoptope data from tree rings (!!) Hmmm…. I guess Mann et al missed that.
    5) They hypothesize the cyclicity is solar driven. Very interesting especially since over the last few weeks we have seen multiple articles with solar scientists suggesting we are heading into a deep solar minimum over the next several decades, which based on their solar hypothesis would drive down temps over the next several decades, just as forecast !!

    Steve, I have had this article buried away for years & just stumbled upon it today, going through some old papers in the basement. I found your post (of just 3 weeks ago) by googling the authors & 1979 ! I was considering creating a similar blog post & see if Anthony would like to post at WUWT before I found this.

    Contact me via email (maybe copy Anthony too) if you would like to collaborate on a post – which would involve a bit more analysis & expansion of the points above. I think it could be a really powerful post.

  12. DirkH says:

    Last Bilderberg session, one item on the agenda Global Cooling… Did the Bigwigs know it all along? Libby and Pandolfi are in sync with Landscheidt. One secret science for the elite, and one political faux science for the masses. If we still had investigative journalists instead of spoon fed parrots we might find out.

  13. architekmobile says:

    Thats a fascinating, not to say uncannily accurate prediction.

    But, its very dangerous to look back and find predictions that match what we know happened.

    Its an interesting bit of data to add to the debate. But readers need to be aware that you cannot retrospectively and selectively look for predictions that match what subsequently happened. Science can’t work that way. We’re back to politics and belief if we let methodology be polluted like that.

    Yes, its a real shame not to be able to use this study to prove anything (assuming we could dig out the full paper and not just what a journalist thinks were the findings). But that’s the tough thing about science, it demands intellectual rigour that means sometimes you can’t use certain results.

    Lets see if there is cooling for the next decade as these writers predict. If they are more accurate than the IPCC et al models, then we could have a useful datapoint.

    The decadal graphs will soon start to show the effects of post 2000 data. Its going to be increasingly difficult to argue against the data as this decade continues.

  14. Scientists that are predicting a cooling trend
    Compiling a list here and it getting longer
    first entry
    https://weathercycles.wordpress.com/timo-niroma/

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