If You Want Something Done Right, Do It Yourself

On closer examination, Doug Vogt’s claim about a problem with the curvature of the birth certificate are nonsense.

I superimposed a line representing the curvature of the edge of the document at the bottom of “Kapiolani” and it lines up perfectly.

Vogt appears to be suffering from confirmation bias in his analysis. There is nothing wrong with at least that part of the document.


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22 Responses to If You Want Something Done Right, Do It Yourself

  1. Dave N says:

    That was my thoughts too, but I wasn’t going to say anything..

    Then again, he’s supposed to be an expert in his field.. now where have I seen that before? Experts in their field proclaiming to know the absolute truth about climatesomething?

  2. Sundance says:

    As Norm Crosby would have probably said, our eyes were fooled by a topical illusion.

  3. NikFromNYC says:

    I held off on kicking your ass, now happily.

  4. Denier says:

    Right. That’s one of the problems he claims.

  5. Emmet D. says:

    Here’s the web address of a refutation of Vogt’s claims. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/reply-to-douglas-vogt/

    There’s quite a lot of information here. If you are on the fence, not knowing what to believe, this site will help. If you are convinced President Obama is lying and not a citizen of the United States, probably nothing will change your mind.

    That’s the curse of the internet. We can isolate ourselves in information bubbles, where we only see and hear confirmations of what we already believe.

  6. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    It doesn’t matter that it’s just one of his claims. If he is an expert it stands to reason he should have been certain of everything he claimed in the 22 page report filed with the FBI. Maybe what is on the rest of the 22 pages is just as faulty. The issue I have is with the raised seal. It is not on the document. But I haven’t seen any of the other birth certificates of that time period. Maybe others didn’t have a raised seal also. Seems like thy should though. Mine is from a similar time period and it had a raised seal. I was looking at it on Saturday again. It wouldn’t have been an official birth certificate without it. But I’m not from Hawaii. Hawaii was a new State. Though I have seen the birth certificate that was filled out after Obama’s and it does have a raised seal.

    Who knows what to believe. If Barack Obama had brought out the birth certificate right away instead of a certification this issue would have probably gone away a long time ago.

    • Latitude says:


      And that’s why it will never sit right with me.

      Don’t forget, the vast majority of people in this country did not vote for him.

  7. Denier says:

    Maybe … maybe … should … but ….

    Sounds just like a Climate Scientist … ugh … spit … retch ….

  8. Denier says:

    Although they’d never say anything like:

    “Who knows what to believe.”

  9. PhilJourdan says:

    The Guy was born. Where when and by whom is open to debate, but cloning was not a viable science in 1961. let him lie about it – he does about almost all else and the rest of the stuff is what is destroying the country – not his place of birth.

  10. Tourist in Chief says:

    It is the deception that is extremely important. And the arrogant unwillingness to show humility before the electorate. It is contempt for the country, its rule of law, and the electorate.

    He may have access to a perfectly legitimate document, but what was posted on the White House website isn’t it. There are many analysts who have shown issues with this document: Varying resolutions, layers, Kerning among supposedly type written text, digital characters made to look like handwriting, and among the most bizarre, one analysis took the completed image and looked digitally for text bleeding thru from the backside of the document. Here they get the image of the COLB, with, incredibly, a different serial number. I saw in one review an image of a watermark at the base of the document stating if the document is altered, it is invalid. Well, it’s altered. They didn’t even try to hide that fact.

    So the presentation of this document to the public may well be unlawful, even if he possesses a valid document.

    Would a sitting president go before the world, and present a knowingly invalid document FULLY AWARE that this would be immediately apparent? It defies the imagination.

    Which leaves the stunning possibility that this secret (if it is a secret) surrounding his BC is really understood by only a handful of very close trusted friends, and it is one of these people (Not a professional forger) who created this document, and Uber-arrogant Team O’blivious didn’t have the wits to realize it would be so easily disproved.

    Arresting him would bring social chaos. Causing his resignation would be disruptive, but perhaps getting him to drop his bid for a second term would be the preferred solution.

    The Senate considered the case of John McCain, and found that because his parents were both citizens, and he was born on US held soil, he was “Natural Born”. No one forced them to that conclusion. But if that criteria is (by their finding) required for Natural Born status, the Teleprompter in Chief doesn’t possess it. He openly admits his father was a foreign national with loyalty to the crown. Maybe his secret is that his father is someone else, who IS a citizen, but very unsavory, like Frank Marshall Davis.

    I’m hoping for a resignation. Then we can throw Pelosi in the clink for signing the Dem’s cert that he was qualified.

  11. Andy Weiss says:

    The important matter at this point is not the BC, because that isn’t going anywhere and invites the tin hat label. It’s finding a viable alternative for 2012.

  12. Kevin says:

    All you need to do is look at the white LFBC handed out at the press conference: http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf
    and you will find most of the “issues” are non issues. But there remain some questions. If you put a rule line under the typed text and go across to the check boxes on the same line, you will see the X is not on the same rule line. this occurs in several places including the birth date and time. Unusual, but not absolute proof of forgery.
    And since the white one was produced first, the addition of certificate paper should disturb everyone. That in and of itself is a modification of an official document. There’s been an awful lot of tomfoolery with these documents, I count 9 different BC’s so far.
    short with index number redacted,
    short with index number,
    short with raised seal,
    short with fold marks,
    LFBC in white,
    LFBC in green with distorted lettering.
    There must be an original that the 2 LFBC’s came from,
    there should be an original with HI DOH,
    and there may still be an original in micro film.
    I think we should expect one more from the white house,
    a cleaner print version on green with an explanation of what went wrong with the first one… wait for it.
    There really should be hearings on this but in reality it will be the voting booth where things will ultimately be decided. The true measure of the Constitution can be applied by the people at the polls.

    • It's always Marcia, Marcia says:

      I don’t expect any Senate hearings, or a House committee hearing, because of possible riots they could cause. Though such hearings would not be pursued because of racial reasons there is a very strong perception in Urban areas that everyone that questions Barack Obama, in any fashion, is doing so because of his color. If it was found that the birth certificate is not real, but falsified, and Obama had to leave the Presidency because of it, there could be violence in the streets of large cities. It may be decided behind closed doors it would be better to let the issue slide and work to have the Republican elected next.

      Barack Obama enjoys the protection of his skin color in ways that would keep him as President until the next election regardless if the birth certificate is real or fabricated.

  13. Jim says:

    Will the Birthers ever be satisfied ?
    Two newspapers in Hawaii published short announcements of the local birth of Barack Obama along with numerous other births that occurred near the time of Obama’s birth. The newspapers got the birth information from vital statistics records, not from any of the relatives of the newborn babies. It is hard to imagine a scenario where the two newspapers somehow published articles based upon fraudulent vital statistics records back in 1961 long before the Birthers cause existed.

  14. Paul in Sweden says:

    The issue I have is that the Hawaiian Gov. could not find this document.

  15. Nobama says:

    Shazzzzzam! I don’t want to get too hopeful, but Corsi knows more than he has told…..


    • Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

      If Corsi is right, and I am only saying if, then the only way out of this issue for both political Parties is if Hillary Clinton brings the evidence for a fake birth certificate out to the public. If any Republican does it the public could say the Republicans are the real fakes in saying Obama’s birth certificate is fake. But if Hillary Clinton, a Democrat, brings it out into the public then it would be seen as a political move on her part because she wants to run for President in 2012 and not as racism by the angry white Republicans.

      But I don’t think anything is going to come of this issue. Obama will continue on the campaign trail and will be the Democratic nominee for the November 2012 vote.

      • PhilJourdan says:

        Hillary carries much the same baggage as any republican in that regard, so even she could not do it. However, I do not put it past Don Clintone to perhaps make Obama an “offer he can’t refuse” ala Torricelli. But only if he has a smoking gun.

  16. Paul in Sweden says:

    …Man came in said, “All rise.” We all stood up,
    and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
    pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
    sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
    twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
    and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
    And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
    and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
    ’cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
    blind justice, and there wasn’t nothing he could do about it…

    This birther issue seems to possibly be one of those times and we are the ones sentenced to pick up the garbage.

  17. Paul H says:

    Perhaps next time you lot elect a President, you might pick one who knows what year it is.

    But the president seemed to have made a gaffe during the occasion – signing Westminster Abbey’s distinguished visitors’ book with the wrong year.

    Mr Obama dated his entry in the book May 24 2008, rather than the current year.

    Apparently Mr Obama was heard to ask the dean what the day’s date was – but managed to get the year wrong.

    A Westminster Abbey spokeswoman confirmed it was the president who had written the wrong date.


    • Paul in Sweden says:

      Year? Forget that! The President of the United States of America should know how many there are…

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