Nothing Happening In The Beaufort Sea

Over the last two weeks, there has been very little change in Beaufort Sea ice. This is where much of the melting occurred last June.

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20 Responses to Nothing Happening In The Beaufort Sea

  1. Murray says:

    But overall not doing that great this year so far?

    • Is there some reason why we should be concerned with melting of first year ice in the Kara Sea – which always melts in a few weeks anyway?

      • Julienne Stroeve says:

        Steve, as I explained in a different posting, earlier retreat of the ice cover is significant in terms exposing open water areas earlier to the incoming solar irradiance and hence enhancing lateral
        and basal melting of the ice cover.
        Also the early retreat on the Eurasian sector is not limited to the Kara Sea, it is also in the Laptev and the E. Siberian Sea. In addition, there is more open water in the Chukchi and Beaufort seas this year than in 2007.
        Doesn’t seem very productive to try to “hide the decline”. More interesting would be to talk about why the ice is retreating rapidly this summer despite more 2nd the 3rd year ice than last year. I realize the most recent ice age maps are not online, but I have looked at them, and it is not just FYI that is melting out at the moment.

        • Julienne,

          I think it is 5-6 weeks too early to be looking at extent as a meaningful measure of what is going on. NCEP forecasts over the ice look cool for at least the next week.

  2. Murray says:

    But overall not doing that great this year?

    • suyts says:

      Depends on your perspective, I guess. I think it would be great to have an ice free arctic!! I don’t think its going to happen, but it would be a boon to humanity.

      • Latitude says:

        Lord, we’re really showing our age….
        ….remember when cold was bad and people froze and starved to death, got diseases and all that other stuff?

        I could see all these gyrations if we thought it was going to get colder…..
        ….but getting warmer??
        And all that weather weirding is a lie for morons to fall for…………
        They act like the dust bowl never happened…….

      • suyts says:

        lol, yes, I believe we are. I’m guessing they don’t put much emphasis on history these days, and, if they do, its the revised edition.

        The dust bowl never happened Australia never had droughts or floods before. Apparently, tornado alley was just a name people pulled out of thin air for no reason at all.

        I blame it on the satellite malfunctions in the 40s.

        Of course if it was getting colder, we already know several cures…..one being to put soot all over the arctic so as to absorb all of the heat….hahahahhahahhahaha

      • Latitude says:

        or just use more hair spray………………..

        You didn’t happen to keep up with the whole Doppler radar NOAA/NASA disaster, did you?
        All the lies, cheating, money laundering, etc

  3. i like co2 says:

    Low Sun activity…?

  4. J Calvert N says:

    That area took a big hit in mid-June 2007 as well (was it due to a storm?). See http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/cryo_compare.jpg and http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=06&fd=10&fy=2007&sm=06&sd=11&sy=2011
    As you say, it is in much better shape this year. Note all the pink colour in the 2007 sea ice map. This seems to show more than 1 million sq. km. at about 60% concentration. A million sq.km. at 60% concentration is not the same as 1 million sq. km at 100%. But the NDIDC graphs don’t show this

  5. Rachelle says:

    It’s sometimes forgotten that in the ’70’s the Soviet Union had plans to sprinkle carbon dust in the arctic to melt icecap. The idea was to make Siberia more livable and prosperous.

  6. Mike Davis says:

    Hair spray does not work to warm the planet because as we have been told it eats the ozone and makes the hole bigger allowing more heat to escape from the south pole.
    While soot may cause dirty snow recent research has shown soot and other particulates to be condensation factors that cause increased cloudiness making things colder!
    Sorry Guys for every theory there is an equal and opposite theory out in the research world that proves the cause du jour.

  7. Andy WeissDC says:

    My impression as a total amatuer is that the Arctic ice has been very slow to melt so far. It doesn’t appear that the September numbers are going to hearten the ice-free Arctic crowd.

    • Julienne Stroeve says:

      Andy, have you seen the latest sea ice extent lines from either NSIDC or the Bremen (AMSR-E) site? The ice is actually retreating at a rate similar to 2010, and instead of being driving in part by rapid melt out of Hudson Bay, it is the Eurasian sector that is seeing rapid retreat. I’ll look at computing the ice loss rates per region and putting those numbers out after I finish computing them. I’m at a workshop though, so it may take a couple of days before I complete that.

      • suyts says:

        Dr. Stroeve, please do so and provide the link here if you would. I’d be interested in seeing the various areas and ice loss rate of the same. Can you provide historical context to them, too?

  8. Paul H says:

    I really cannot believe that clearly intelligent people are getting fussed about a few bits of ice melting a couple of weeks before they usually do.

    After all we know from GISS data that all round the Arctic temperatures now are no more and in most cases much less than they were in the 30’s and 40’s.

    Is there any evidence at all that we are seeing anything unusual?

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