The Trend Towards An Intelligence-Free Discussion About The Arctic

JAXA shows that we should have an ice-free Arctic in about the year infinity, which is why experts keep making fools out of themselves predicting dates from 2008 to 2030. Perhaps they have invented a new kind of ice which melts below 0C north of 80N after August 15.

Another possibility would be to declare ice-free to mean the area of Alaska, Texas, California and France combined.

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54 Responses to The Trend Towards An Intelligence-Free Discussion About The Arctic

  1. MFKBoulder says:

    With so much space left in the graph why not start in the 90ies?

  2. Sundance says:

    Intelligence free discussions will attract more progressive OWS types into the discussion. 🙂

  3. gator69 says:

    “The Trend Towards An Intelligence-Free Discussion About The Arctic”

    It’s worse than we thought…

  4. Siliggy says:

    So what is the quickest and safest route for shipping through the Arctic right now?

  5. Whatever says:

    A far better measurement for reflecting the long-term trend in Arctic conditions is the ice volume. Extent can vary enormously in a short amount of time with one big storm, a warm spell or a cold snap. What does the graph look like for Arctic ice volume Steven?

  6. Lance says:

    ice free = whatever the alarmist wish

    Reality:
    ice free = ice free – not gonna happen in my life time

  7. Whatever says:

    Of course I use a search bar Steven. I just have never seen a PIOMAS chart for Arctic Ice Extent that began at 2007 and I was wondering what “special” site you go to. I would like to compare the graphs that I am used to seeing on the internet with the ones you continually find.

    Perhaps you can provide us with the website address of the graph above.

  8. jak says:

    Here is the longer-term picture:

    http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

    Ice extent has fallen about 40% since the 1980s.

  9. Whatever says:

    Steven,
    Am I understanding you correctly– did you just say that you made up data?

    When I ask you where you got your graph, you tell me “Great opportunity for you to prove I am making up numbers. Go for it!”

    The problem is Steven, I can’t “Go for it” and find out if you are indeed making up numbers or not until you tell me where the graph came from.

    • It says right on the graph what the source of the data is. You can be a hero among men by checking the data yourself and showing that I made it up. What an opportunity for you!

      • Whatever says:

        i am sorry Steven, I can’t seem to find it. First you say the graph came from PIOMAS and now you say it is a JAXA graph. I have gone to 5 different sites and looked through dozens of graphs, but nothing looks remotely close to what you have on screen. Perhaps you can provide the EXACT web address? This graph (halfway down) is also for the period of 2007 to 2012 in regards to Arctic Ice Extent, but it looks totally different to yours.
        http://www.thearcticinstitute.org/2012/08/a-closer-look-at-2012-melting-season.html

      • Richard T. Fowler says:

        He did not say that the graph came from PIOMAS! That is blatantly false. And you brought up volume in this thread, not Steven. I doubt you will fool very many with this ridiculous routine.

        RTF

    • miked1947 says:

      Comedy routine today for our entertainment!
      Steven is trying to be the straight guy! Whatever still does not get it!

  10. What has happened in Arctic ice since 2007 is an inconvenient truth for global warming alarmists.

    So they will incessantly start at 1980. That starting point makes them feel better. Such a nice sense of false security for them.

    • Whatever says:

      Well actually 1979 is the year where the reference should start at as that is when the satellite pictures became available. And, as you well know, the longer the time line, the higher the confidence.

      • That is complete nonsense. There is excellent satellite data going back to 1972, when sea ice extent was much lower than 1979.

      • Whatever says:

        Actually you are correct about satellite pictures beginning in 1972, but apparently incorrect regarding sea ice extent being lower before 1979:

        [1] A 30-year satellite record of sea ice extents derived mostly from satellite microwave radiometer observations reveals that the Arctic sea ice extent decreased by 0.30 ±
        0.03  106km 2/10 yr from 1972 through 2002, but by0.36 ± 0.05  106km 2/10yr from 1979 through 2002, indicating an ACCELERATION of 20% in the rate of decrease. http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~kostya/Pdf/Seaice.30yrs.GRL.pdf

        And, of course, we all know what has been happening with sea ice extent since 2002.

        Perhaps, Steven, you can make up one of your graphs to help your readers understand what has been happening to Arctic sea ice since 1972?

      • Whatever says:

        It is not me Steve who is doing the talking, it is the paper I referenced. BTW I did look at your reference. What happened to the data for 1972 and 1973 on that Goddard graph with red circles? And I do agree with you, the NSIDC graph does show a steep drop in ice extent from 1969 to 1974

        • That is the graph from the IPCC report. They don’t have satellite data prior to what is shown on the graph.

          When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia Universitys Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the*ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since*. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.

          http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/time-magazine-june-1974-another-ice-age/

  11. The 15% graphs are telling. They don’t show the dramatic loss the 30% graphs show. The 30% graphs are just showing they were broken up into 15% by the storm. The loss of ice was not a loss of ice. It was just a breaking up of 30% concentration into the next increment, i.e., 15% concentration.

    But I think that what I just said will be completely incomprehensible to global warming/Arctic ice alarmists. They’ll just say “1980” over and over.

    Link to graphs

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/

  12. NoMoreGore says:

    If an Icecap in the Arctic thaws, and then freezes over again, does it make a screaming sound? 🙂

  13. Whatever says:

    Richart T Fowler,
    I am sorry to have to correct you, but please look at Steven’s comments on Aug. 15 at 5:51pm and 6:45pm. Steven is clearly talking about PIOMAS graphs.

    But that is irrelevant now as Steve just admitted at 1:41am on Aug. 16, that it was himself who created the graph. I wonder why Steve’s graph for Ice Extent from 2007 to 2012 is tilted upward whilst all other data has the tilt going the other way? For example: http://www.thearcticinstitute.org/2012/08/a-closer-look-at-2012-melting-season.html

  14. Whatever says:

    Steven,
    You say the nicest things. And you make up really good graphs too.

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