Romney 41,237,592 (51%)
Obama 40,243,800 (49%)
Then it’s a media fail! I cant wait to see to out come of this!
It’s another projection you don’t understand….
I’m surprised, that you have the ability to post a comment.
I took a break among the dancing.
Hansen said that Obama had to save the planet in his first term, so it is already too late.
Makes you happy, no doubt.
sorry Steven I forgot the sarcastic tag, I’m just fk*n with ya.
Obama is the clear electoral vote winner and maybe even the popular vote go his way too since that 1 million 500 thousand plus lead has evaporated down to just 15,000 vote lead.
We have a Senate that refuses to pass the main bills and a House that is Republican that will pass their bills thus in the long run it will the democrats that are not honestly fulfilling their legislative duties.
Your political bullshit isn’t any more intelligent than your climate bullshit.
We all know that you are full of shit David, you don’t have to remind us over and over again.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Real Science
A: Mandate. 🙂
Look up the definition of spam before I apply it.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Real Science
You lost, loser. Big.
Deal with it.
The only thing big is your girth.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Real Science
My, you’re a sore loser.
Q: Lame duck
A: Lame duck
DA – No doubt your chances of getting a “man date” (which I have no problem with) with president AWOL are very good but don’t let his beard Michelle or his investor/bosses find out or you could end up dead like some of the other men he dated. If you look like Kal Penn your odds go up dramatically. 😉
No mandate because he is so bad at leading the nation.What we will see is the continued erosion of the nations economic health and a deteriorating foreign policy that put the scare in Ambassadors in the hot spot areas.
What we see is an economy coming back stronger every month, with 5 M private sector jobs since George W Hoover crashed the economy. Stock market up sharply, corporate profits up sharply, housing coming back. Bin Laden dead, one war ended, health care (soon) for everyone.
All disappointments for conservatives, clearly.
$16 trillion in debt, $4 gasoline, downgraded credit, 8% unemployment.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Real Science
average price of gasoline during Bush 2nd’s administration, adjusted for inflation: $3.09/gal
during Obama’s 1st administration: $3.18/gal
Republicans have no moral standing to complain about the debt, having run up most of it.
You are so full of shit.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Real Science
Calculate for yourself, using the EIA’s “This Week in Petroleum” and the monthly CPI. Run the numbers and weep.
The economy is crap. America weeps.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Real Science
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Real Science
A: Mandate 🙂
Mandate to do what? He spent the last six months trashing Romney 24×7 and has no ideas and no plan. He is probably going to get impeached over Benghazi. What are you celebrating? It is pathetic.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Real Science
…whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
Evidently, you didn’t see that while 171 000 new jobs were created in October, there were also 170 000 new jobless claims as well, which means basically no growth for that month. I guess you overlooked that not-so-little tidbit of info.
Gimme a break. We never had sustained gas prices in the neighborhood $4 under GWB. Of course, Appell also believes that the Oil indusry is highly “subsidized”.
If we use Appell’s logic and just average everything out GWB’s tenure as Prez was an economic paradise. Anybody that looks at the financial situation and sees some kind of significant improvement during the Obama term is delusional amd/or a liar, which is pretty much SOP for climate con artists.
The national average nominal price of gas during Bush’s first term was $1.55/gal. During his second term, $2.72/gal. During Obama’s 1st term so far, $3.08/gal. I then adjusted the weekly price via that month’s CPI.
In current dollars, the national weekly average price of gas peaked at $4.34/gal the week of 7/17/2008.
Five million new green energy jobs during Obama’s first term
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Real Science
There were 184,000 new jobs in the private sector in October, with 13,000 lost in the government sector….. Stop whining about jobs. If you don’t have one, go out and create your own. Or do Randians only read her books for the pictures?
But that’d be good, if true. We need jobs, and we need green.
Wind farms are extremely destructive to the environment. Green energy is complete bullshit.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Real Science
Cut the bamboozling. The peak gas price you quote of $4.34/gal the week of 7/17/2008 was a blip. The gas prices have gone up and stayed up during Obama’s term. People know what gasoline is costing them. Why try to make Obama & crew out to be gasoline price hawks when you know that their stated desire is for higher fuel prices. Their only quibble is with the rapidity of the increase in cost as it hurts them politically.
Yes — your prolific scholarship on such issues is world renowned.
I work in industry where academic bullshit has no value. You work in creative writing where bullshit is all that matters.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Real Science
Have you downloaded the data yet and run the numbers? Or do you think facts are established just by mouthing off about the ones you don’t like?
I don’t need to dowload anything and adjust it to the CPI. I already have access to my credit card statements, or aren’t those good enough? Adjusting the cost of gas to “current dollars” or inflation is pointless since people’s wages generally don’t keep pace with inflation. Obama just needs t high inflation rate to make it appear that gas prices are low? Don’t gas prices contribute to the inflation rate?
So you can’t, or won’t, download the data and do the calculations. I understand. It’s much easier to just go with your preconceived notions. (Safer, too, for you.)
I did my time in industry. It paid well but lacked soul, and I left.
Being useful really sucks for many lefties.
Useful is fine. It’s all the other crap there is to put up with. I’d rather be my own boss.
You’re also wrong about income and inflation — real disposable personal income per capita had been increasing for decades, until Bush crashed the economy:
This chart shows a sustained period of $2 /gal gas during the majority of the GWB years. The price has been +$3 for almost the entirety of BHO’s term. I resisted playng your game because I know how much I’m paying for fuel, but I’m going to look at the data from EIA and make my own evaluation. It appears that BHO came into office in 09′ with relatively low prices ($2 less than today). that combimed with only being in office for 4 years may make BHO’s average appear low, but we’ll see after I examine the numbers..
Some people think that actually calculation with numbers is a better way to make conclusions than eyeballing charts. Do it or not — I really don’t care, since I *have* done the calculations and know the results.
According to the EIA Weekly U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon) for all reporting dates, which they present, I get the following average gasoline prices (unadjusted).for the terms in question.
GWB first term $ 1.575
GWB first term $ 1.747
BHO first term (through 11/05/12) $ 2.65
So you conclude $ 1.575 = $ 1.747. You might want to check that again, as well as your attention to details.
If you think you are good with graphs, explain how we have gone 16 years without warming.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Real Science
You’re correct that wages out pace inflation in the long term historically. I am thinking in terms of times of high inflation. In the short term spikes in the price of energy are not immediately countered by higher wages. Your average worker will get some COL adjustment annually.In the interim they still have to eat the higher fuel costs.
Oh… you got me. That typo negates everything.
GWB second term $ 1.747
Look at the light blue line in this chart:
Does it look like the nominal price of gas in Bush’s second term could possibly average $1.747/gallon? No, it doesn’t — in fact, it doesn’t look like gas was *ever* that low during that period. Clearly, you have made an error somewhere.
For Bush2, I calculate a nominal average of $2.72/gal, and an adjusted average of $3.05/gal. That’s believable, looking at the chart.
In fact, using the EIA’s “This Week in Petroleum” data, I find the minimum nominal price of gas during Bush’s second term was $1.61/gal, and it has a standard deviation of $0.57/gal. There’s no way the average could be $1.747/gal as you claim.
This argument relies on a small section of time where the error bars barely touch the y-axis:
There has been lots of warming in the last 16 years, as shown by the large increase in ocean heat content, rising seas, and melting ice. The 2-dimensional surface is subject to many natural fluctuations, and when they are accounted for, the underlying greenhouse warming is clear:
“Global temperature evolution 1979–2010,” G Foster and S Rahmstorf, Environ Res Lett 6 044022 (2011)
In other words, there has been no warming so they made up a bunch of BS to hide the problem.
That “BS” is called science. Of course, you will find a way to dismiss it one way or the other.
I am talking about science. You are talking about the fantasy world of academia which has hijacked climate science for a myriad of selfish reasons.
Temperatures aren’t rising. Deal with it.
NBC reports: Romney to concede he lost.
David Appell says:
November 7, 2012 at 5:51 am
NBC reports: Romney to concede he lost
America lost, a sad day. Average income is down over 5% in the past four years. (It will get far worse) There are not five million more people employed since Dumbo took office, the participation rate is way down, but far worse, we have gone from a “hi ho, hi ho, its off to work I go society”, to a “I’m owed, I’m owed, its off to the government I go” society. Even worse this man has manged to destablise the entire middle east, and to expediate the installation of the MB in Egypt. Over the next four years the movie, 2016 will become close to a reality. However, “pain is a prod to memory”, so maybe then America can begin to progress from “Dreams of Obama’s Father”, to Dreams of our founding Father’s.
All employees, total, private industry:
David, you can lie to yourself all you want, but it doesn`t do anything to improve your credibility.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Real Science
Facts aren’t lies.
You people are just sad. Please, by all means, keep up the truculence, the anger, and the obstruction. You’ll get whipped even worse next time. The future is already against you.
It was an extremely close election which was ultimately decided by the color of Obama`s skin. Calling it a mandate is pathetic.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Real Science
Excuses, excuses — keep whining. It’s a big win (and not just for POTUS — all the conservative clowns went down), and we’ll take it. It’s clear who and what the country prefers.
By continuing to repeat the same lies over and over again, you further convince people that things are bad, Why are wasting your time
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Real Science
Really, I do hope you maintain your anger. Please, keep stomping your feet and threatening to hold your breath. It’s obviously very useful for the cause of justice and righteousness — it may not have happened without you. Thank you. Really.
Do you still think that I control the climate?
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Real Science
All unemployed 11.3%. 61% people in the working population in lieu of 75%. That’s how you get to 7.8% unemployed. See, easy peezy when to distort the data. Oh forgot, that’s what you spend you days doing.
Everyone agrees there are a lot more jobs needed and the economy isn’t what it should be. But that’s not why Romney lost. He lost because he’s a liar, and a panderer, and had no real plan to make anything better — just some numbers he spouted out, that weren’t supportable. He missed the demographic shifts in the US, he couldn’t say that women deserve equal pay, and he baldly insulted 47% of the electorate. In other words, he blew it, because he had to pander to the extreme right just to get the nomination.
Does not look like plus five million to me, however we have 14 plus million on food stamps.
Like I said, Im owed, Im owed, it off to the government I go. is Obama’s mantra…I
In January 2009, there were 133.56 million Americans with jobs and 31.98 million on food stamps. Today, there are 133.76 million Americans with jobs and 46.68 million on food stamps. The employment rolls have thus grown by 0.15 percent and the food stamp rolls have grown by 46 percent, meaning that for every one American who found a job, 75 Americans signed up for food stamps.
112 M – 107 M = 5 M
But, yes, George W Hoover ran the country into the gutter. Lots of people suffered, and lots are still suffered. But Obama stopped the damage, and things got better — and are set up now to get much better. (It’s already started.)
No one buys your political bullshit any more than your climate busllshit
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Real Science
Another intelligent response, full of facts and insight, delivered with eloquence. How *do* you do it?
Unemployment was 4.3% and dropping when Dems took over Congress in 2007. I’m not interested in your bullshit.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Real Science
By that logic, it’s the Republican takeover of the House in 2010 that has kept the country in the shitter.
I’m sure you’ll find some excuse to blame the problems on someone else. Anyone else.
Like I said, please keep it up.
What political party voted in a doubled + debt ridden economic stimulus bill?
Hey Appell, how many budgets, mandated by LAW, have been passed in the last 4 years? .. hmmmm?
And don’t give me the bullshit that Republicans have obstructed any budget, it is the Senate (democrat controlled) that passes the budget. They have not done so, illegally I might add, since Obama came to office in 2009. First time in US history (except for WWII) we have operated without a budget.
Appell, and by the way, Obama has submitted two budgets for vote in the Senate, neither budget got a SINGLE vote. Not one single vote!!! … what the hell does that tell you?
While only 194,000 net jobs have been created since 2009, the working age population has increased by approximately 5 million—almost 25 times that amount. In other words, a shrinking share of working age adults have or are even looking for a job. The real unemployment number (U-6), therefore, is 14.6 percent.
To put this month’s job creation in historical perspective, in October of 1984, 286,000 jobs were created—67 percent more—at a time when the U.S. working age population was 26 percent smaller than it is today.
Over time, these trends, if not reversed, spell economic disaster for the United States and its citizens.
Obviously a President isn’t immediately responsible for an economy he inherits, especially an historic crash like Bush left. Since 6 months in office, there are 4.1 M more jobs in the private sector (and 21,000 less federal employees). That’s far, far more than *both* Bush’s created, which totaled -1.3 M from the 6-month point of their administration onward.
GW Hoover was an utter disaster for this country. We’re fortunate to have survived him.
Clinton’s economic policies encouraged a bubble. Bush made it worse. Obama made it much worse. Unless you’re a mindless partisan hack, it’s hard to not be able to see the obvious.
Clinton!? What about Carter, or Harry Truman??
Keep thrashing — we’re counting on it.
Are you done having your Obamagasm, yet?
Hey Appell, go watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gsa4uLmTw0M) and then come back to me and explain to me your financial delusions again.
Do the calculations for yourself:
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Real Science
Well I suspect I will be able to enjoy cheap holidays and other bargains as an outsider to the US, due to continued decline in the value of the US dollar as a consequence of US economic policies. That’s good for me. It’s most likely good for Appell, as he has a government job and he thinks he is afforded some protection. (For a time he will be.) It’s a shame about everybody else living there though.
What govt job? I live by my wits.
Is that a euphemism for unemployed?
I’ve been happily self-employed for 14 years, with a little help from some investments. You?
I’ve been self employed my entire life and may retire next year as my investments no longer require me to work. (Only kidding, I like my work and don’t want to stop and end up fat and lazy.)
Good for you — it’s great that you’re happy in your work. That’s important.
I have to admit I had you pegged as an academic as you seem to like to remind everyone you come across that you’re a physicist. I didn’t realise that was a long time ago and you’ve since switched to creative writing. (But to be honest, I can’t see how journalism, writing and/or an academic post lets you save much money for investments, unless you’ve living in the basement of your mum’s home for 40 years, or you inherited. But anyway, if you have investments, good for you!)
I’m not a physicist, but I have a degree in physics. And I rarely tell anyone. And I did things and made money before I was a writer, and like most people, other things have gone on.
But there aren’t any litmus tests, and it’s sad you try to score a crappy point or two by claiming I work for the government. So fucking what if I did.
Hey David, I don’t know why you lionize Obama and demonize Bush 43, when Obamas’ presidency is essentially a continuation of his predecessors’. Don’t take my word for it (I’m sure you won’t), just do the research and you’ll see what I mean.
You expect readers here to believe that? We all know you’re just another pretty boy who gets by on your charm and good looks. 🙂
In which case you must be verry poor. Where can I send the Red Cross.?
I would agree that anyone who is supportive of Obama and negative towards Bush has his brain switched off, as Obama’s policies have effectively been Bush’s on steroids.
Mitt Romney was never a “conservative” at any time why promote the B.S?
“Romney boasts of ‘severely conservative’ record in CPAC speech,” NBC News, 2/10/12
It looks like Obama’s win is already paying off!!! .. you can now go celebrate .. you dolt!
Already this morning (and it’s only 9:20am central)
“As of 9:45 a.m. ET, the Dow Jones Industrial Average slumped 160 points, or 1.2%, to 13084, the S&P 500 dipped 18.2 points, or 1.3%, to 1410 and the Nasdaq Composite fell 37 points, or 1.2%, to 2975.
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/11/07/u-turn-stocks-sink-after-us-elections/#ixzz2BYCETgdb“
European markets were down first, after the EU forecast less growth (a result, partially, of their failed conservative principle of austerity).
Wrong again Appel. Recheck your data source it’s as crooked as your climate one and your obama one. The EU did not forecast less growth. How could it? It hasn’t grown in years. I live there. And very soon so will all americans. Let me help you understand what that means. Carbon tax at $40/tonne, Social taxes at 40% for those who earn more than $25k, income tax 5% if your are poor, 14% if you are slightly less poor, 30% for the middle class, 40% for the average earners 75% for those who earn over $800k. Heating oil at $1.40/ltr (x4.5 for an english gallon), local house tax at $2400/yr, $5000 to registre a new car over 2.5 ltres capacity, 40% tax on investment income (includes dividend real bummer when you are a pensioner) and finally healthcare at $5250 / yr plus dentistry technicals, plus seeing your doctor, plus your medecins.
That’s where oblarny is going. That’s why the Europeans cheered when he won.
Think on asshole. Your $1T debt will become $3T before oblarny is finally reigned in. Best of luck.
“Worries over the euro-zone crisis’s impact on powerhouse Germany and fiscal issues in the U.S. combined to beat the air out of European stock markets on Wednesday, overshadowing an initial relief rally after the U.S. presidential election.”
And we very much need a carbon tax. $40/t would be a good start.
Still got it wrong!! It was Draghi. Check the timing and the graph. Only an idiot would want a co² tax. It’s dibilitating. Destroys economies by reducing spendable income and results in loss of employment both in the private and government sectors.
Climate change, too, will cost a lot. A carbon tax with (income tax reductions, or refunded on an equal per capita basis) helps solve it.
Isn’t it Climate disruption now? Anyway, whatever you call it these days, it won’t cost half as much as your policies to “solve” it.
I note your (qualified) criticism of european conservative principles. From the eastern side of the pond, these are not words usually seen together in the same article, let alone sentence. The entire euro-project is pure dirigisme, and as such, any blame for the current problems cannot be fairly ascribed to the conservative right, who, for the most part, warned emphatically against this misguided enterprise.
But we are where we are, and the onus on those such as yourself who criticise “failed austerity” is to answer the following conundrum: if a country doesn’t raise nearly enough money in tax to fund its state employees’ salaries, public sector “investment” projects, university climate change departments etc, and it cannot borrow from anyone in the private capital markets, where does the money come from? And if it comes from other countries’ taxpayers and/or the implicit rental of their balance sheet capabilities (as it does, whether or not through the intermediation of an official body), why should those other countries not require a minimum standard of fiscal discipline applied to the disbursed funds?
Simple: there is a time for savings and austerity, and a time for spending and stimulus. Times of economic stress and lowered consumer demand are a time for stimulus.
The DOW is down 234 points already this morning!!!
Two minutes later, DOW is down 244 now. It is sliding fast!
Down to -255 now… http://www.foxbusiness.com/index.html … this is going to be a VERY bad day on Wall Street .. and probably a very bad week.
Here’s your clue dickhead. Draghi (you know who he is) declared that Germany was falling into recession. Why? Because of it’s really stupid green policies and the cost of rescueing the rest of europe. Sadly for you, there will be no-one to rescue the USA. It will be down to you paying euro style taxes in the future, probably after the liar in chief has retired rich on your tax contributions.
US citizens will be observing that any goods or services not made in the US will rise in price, which will drop the standard of living there further. This trend will last for a very long time. As productive and efficient sectors of the economy decline, the trend will accelerate. The US also does not have a political system that can deal effectively with these dilemmas. In some ways it will mirror what has happened in much of South America in the 20th century. I’m sorry for you guys. But to be honest it was never clear that Romney could have done better. (Although it’s unlikely he would have done worse.)
Romney was a bad candidate. Debate which metric moved a little or a lot during this time period or that. We are further from liberty and limited government than ever before in our history. We will never get closer. That is the tragedy of this election. Electing Romney would have been slightly better, but not enough.
Bring on the carbon tax. It is the perfect solution for a government that wants all the money it can get it’s hands on without offending the people that are being fleeced. After all, their lives are being saved. Yes, perfect.
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