Holder Says That Zimmerman Should Have Retreated Into The Sidewalk

The nation’s top lawman said during a speech at an NAACP convention in Orlando that the law — which featured prominently during the murder trial of George Zimmerman — should be reexamined and reformed.

“It’s time to question laws that so dangerously expand self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods,” Holder said, just miles from the Sanford, Fla., courtroom where Zimmerman, 29, stood trial in Trayvon Martin’s death.

Stand Your Ground laws give the benefit of the doubt to the gunman if he can prove he fired because he feared for his life. The law, which exists in some form in more than 20 states, does not require that a person retreat if possible — a concept Holder said is critical in legal concepts of self-defense.

B37’s fellow jurors in Trayvon Martin trial bash her for leading country to believe spoke for them – NY Daily News

As Zimmerman’s head was being bashed in, Holder believes that he should have retreated into the sidewalk beneath him, rather than firing his gun.

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48 Responses to Holder Says That Zimmerman Should Have Retreated Into The Sidewalk

  1. Gamecock says:

    Holder is exploiting a crisis (he helped create) to push his punk defense agenda. Only libtards call for you to retreat when you are attacked where you have a right to be. There is no basis in English common law; it was invented by libs to protect their voters.

    Anywho, Castle Doctrine is a non sequitur vis a vis Zimmerman.

  2. R. de Haan says:

    Once upon a time the German National Socialists under Hitler, the Russian Communists under Stalin, the Communists under Mao and the Communists under Pol-pot held the trials Holder is wishing for. We refer to them “show trials”.

    Fortunately the Zimmerman trial proves justice is still served in the USA.

    • …only sporadically, and by the skin of its teeth. This trial should never have been, had justice been properly served–and Zimmerman is still being demonized, and justice denied, by the black racists and others of the Insane Left. Justice is being mocked every day, even at the highest level, as this post demonstrates (and remember the Supreme Court’s travesty of a decision on Obamacare).

      • David says:

        Yes, and criminal death threats against Zimewrman are ignored daily. I am certain he is quite broke. Had I been in his place, I also would have lied to hide any assets I might have. The man is broke, and threatened by progressive bigots daily.

    • gator69 says:

      What a nutcase! To her it makes more sense that God is a racist (?), rather than Zimmerman being found innocent.

      More proof that higher education means nothing anymore.

  3. gator69 says:

    Odd. Holder said Big Brother can kill US citizens with drones on foreign soil, but also said that US citizens must surrender to any bad guys in their own neighborhood. I’m not feeling all that protected by those sworn to protect my rights.

  4. Bob says:

    Hard to retreat when you are on your back with your opponent whaling on your head. The defense, not disproven by the prosecution, was self-defense, nothing was said about “stand your ground” in court. Once the libs start a narrative, they are not deterred by pesky things like facts.

    • They are like Muslim jihadists, convinced of the rightness of their cause, and completely deluded. This is the general problem of our time, on many fronts–false dogma, aggressively advanced to threaten and tyrannize.

    • R. de Haan says:

      What nobody mentions is the fact that no police officer of vigilante, no security employee should operate alone. Alway’s take care there is at least two of you so you have someone to cover your ass. If there was any mistake, this was it.

  5. “Fortunately the Zimmerman trial proves justice is still served in the USA.”

    For the moment but our current administration is working hard to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

    Self defense is for a free people and is supported by a proper constitutionally limited government. In which case the thugs, governmental or otherwise, have a clear and present danger from any intended victim. This is unacceptable to the current cadre of thugs in government. They want to be free to violate the rights of anyone for any reason without being held accountable for their acts. They call it social justice and civil rights which together abolish an operational concept of actual justice.

  6. Justa Joe says:

    Suburban BHO voters, I hope you’re satisfied. Is this what you voted for?

  7. RickD says:

    Reblogged this on Reality Check and commented:
    Eric Holder, you should retreat into the annals of time. Go away and never show your face again to the American Public.

  8. R. de Haan says:

    It’s hard to make this remark on a skeptical blog like this but I think the outcome of the past elections can’t be blamed on suburban BHO voters alone. The elections have been rigged and let’s face it, most of the electorate is to stupid or to lazy to vote. Period.

    Next time they should perform some due diligence on the Presidential candidates, Democrats as well as Republicans and check what happens during the election process. If we do that, you’re all be fine.

    Hell, even I knew from the beginning Obama was a hack and I’m not even living in the USA.

    Maybe the time has come for the majority of the public to grow up and take at least some responsibility and not forget, just want to be fair, that it was Republican Bush who introduced the Patriot Act.

    We don’t have the freaking internet for nothing and if you can us google you can retrieve anything you want to know about a candidate. The same goes for the climate scam and Peak Oil.

    Why do so many people believe this crap? It’s because they are too lazy and too stupid to check the facts for themselves. If we want to maintain our freedom we have the civil obligation to inform ourselves. Otherwise we’re sitting ducks waiting for the hunter to come by.

    Only an informed public can’t be fooled by the establishment. And that’s how it is.

    • Justa Joe says:

      “The elections have been rigged and let’s face it, most of the electorate is to stupid or to lazy to vote. Period.”

      Actually counterintuitively the last thing that you want is more uninformed voters running out to the polls. It’s better when the lazy stay home. The Democrats seek to energize and inflame these dumbasses. They should feel so proud of their constituency. Our big problem is that the media in the USA is completely controlled by the left, and people allow the media to lead them around. #2 There’s massive voter fraud in urban areas, which are controlled by the left.
      The patriot act business is the least of our problems.

      • R. de Haan says:

        MSM world wide is controlled by the left. Hell, in Europe even former conservative press is spreading lies. The only real news is found on the web.
        But only if you’re able to navigate through all the garbage.
        As for the restrictions written down in the Patriot act but also implemented in Europe and Australia, I disagree. This is where the problems starts. Only the fact that Government has the legal rights to lock you up behind bars without access to legal support is a severe loss of civil rights. Anyhow that’s my opinion.

    • Jason Calley says:

      Rigged voting? Yes, and for decades now. Check http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ for some information. The computerized system(s) used in the US are not just hackable, they are designed to be hacked. As we used to say about software, “That’s not a bug, that is a feature!”

  9. Lou says:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/

    Blacks benefit from Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ law at disproportionate rate

    So Holder wants more blacks to be killed by blacks? Crazy…

    • No, he wants the thugs to be released from constraint so he can relive the glory days of Germany’s Kristallnacht 1938. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4aXjC_MKr4

      The only practical difference is then it was the Jews but today it is anyone who is and wants to be free and productive. It is the destruction of the good because it is good. It is not crazy. It is intellectual, philosophical, and psychological pathology to the extreme.

  10. gator69 says:

    LEMMINGS!!!

    I can’t stand it! I keep seeing the clip of Holder stating, “… senselessly expanding the concept of self defense…”. The audience starts clapping as soon as he starts speaking of limiting something, and long before they know what. These lemmings want to limit their ability to defend themselves?

    BRAIN DAMAGE.

  11. R. de Haan says:

    I can’t see why anyone takes Holder seriously. Not from his previous credentials and especially after the “Fast and the Furious” scandal and the “IRS” scandal. Besides that, he’s a big pall of Obama. You can’t take any of Obama’s palls seriously unless you play golf and had a lobotomy.

  12. R. de Haan says:

    From Time Swampland (yes, really, that’s what it say’s)

    Maya Angelou Reacts To Zimmerman Trial, Evokes Civil Rights Era
    “What is really injured, bruised, if you will, is the psyche of our national population.”
    http://swampland.time.com/2013/07/16/maya-angelou-reacts-to-zimmerman-trial-evoking-civil-rights-era/

    Don’t mind her remarks, she already had an injured, bruised psyche before the Zimmerman trial.
    Just like all the other morons who think Zimmerman didn’t get a fair trial.

  13. Pathway says:

    An orange jump suit and a cell in GITMO should be the permanent residence of Mr. Holder, with all due respect.

  14. diogenes100 says:

    Although I agree with many of the sentiments expressed here, I do rather wish that REAL SCIENCE was not becoming so involved in day-to-day politics, etc., as it seems to dilute the message about the global warming hoax.

    That said, there is a corollary aspect between the contrived Trayvon story and the contrived GW story. The MSM and Eric Holder have now settled on a Big Lie – that Zimmerman was saved from “real justice” because of a hold-your-ground law in “racist” Florida. Zimmerman’s defense never mentioned “hold-your-ground”, but this new Big Lie serves the purposes of the Left – so it will be repeated every day until every low-information citizen accepts it as a Great Truth. So the GW Big Lie principle does carry over.

    • The global warming hoax is pretext but not the main event. It is simply a softening up in preparation for a repeat of Germany’s Kristallnacht 1938 and much that followed. The Zimmerman trial and the follow on Big Lie is the next step in that direction. The thugs on the street and in government are going to have all constraint removed if Holder gets his way.

      My estimate is that we are at the intellectual, philosophical, and psychological level of Germany in 1937. Not many more steps to go until we have our vary own Kristallnacht.

    • Robertv says:

      It is al the same monster and as long as we don’t cut all its heads it keeps on coming back.

  15. Judy F. says:

    Sometimes I wonder if Holder has read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They are, after all, written in cursive.

  16. leftinbrooklyn says:

    Geez. Now I gotta let every other person’s violence and criminality control what I do or say. At least before it was just those guys who didn’t like me saying bad stuff about Muhammad.

  17. “…the law, which exists in some form in more than 20 states, does not require that a person retreat if possible…”

    So how many of those young black children in Chicago were able to retreat before being gunned down?

    And actually, it’s about 31 states that have some form of this law (with 3 more considering it).

    Illinois is not one of them. They are bordered on all sides by states that do.

    In Illinois, they don’t want you to stand your ground. They want you to run for the state line (in any direction) to be safer.

  18. Fred from Canuckistan says:

    Thus was not Stand Your Ground.

    This was Get Tackled and be Pinned on The Ground.

    Surprised Holder can’t figure out teh difference.

    • In Holder’s view of things, Zimmerman “stalked” Martin and “murdered” him in cold blood, for being black. That is so much more satisfying to the black racists than the truth, that Zimmerman is a bit of a milk-toast, mild-mannered that is, and was not primed for action. Martin started the actual fight, escalated it, and would have severely hurt Zimmerman if not killed him, if Zimmerman had not finally given up on getting outside help and realized he had to shoot his opponent NOW or die.

  19. Kaboom says:

    I assume that means surrender of the Obama administration to the terrorists must be imminent then because that is the logical conclusion of his ramblings.

  20. Jason Calley says:

    So, is Holder saying that as soon as Martin felt threatened, he should have ran away from Zimmerman?

    Actually, I meant that sarcastically, but truth is, Martin WOULD have lived to eat his Skittles (or drink his “Purple Drank”) if he had ran off instead of attacking Zimmerman.

  21. Ben says:

    RE: Holder – “the law — which featured prominently during the murder trial of George Zimmerman — should be reexamined and reformed.”

    Neither Mark O’Meara nor Don West used “stand-your-ground” as a defense during the criminal trial. It was a straight up self-defense plea, and there never was a stand your ground hearing.

    I predict “stand-your-ground” will be used during the civil trials that follow, in order to reach “preponderance of the evidence” criteria.

    • miked1947 says:

      Especially the one where Zimmerman sues the Martin family for failing to control their underage son, which was the primary cause of the confrontation. Zimmerman Suing the State of Florida for following through with the Show Trial when they had evidence showing it was self defense. The State of Florida suing the Martins for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, their son.

  22. Robertv says:

    And where is the US army? Did they not solemnly swear (or affirm) that they will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic?

    • Jason Calley says:

      Robertv, yes, they did , in fact, swear that. Just like the President swears an oath to the Constitution.

      It is theater. No one really means it. Some of them think they mean it. I wish it were not so, but the evidence says otherwise. If the US Army really wished to support and defend the Constitution, they would be surrounding Washington DC as we speak.

      I have had long discussions with members of the US military — active, reserve, former and retired. Most have told me that they still support the Constitution. Sadly, I have never found even one of them that had any serious knowledge of what the Constitution actually says. Not one. When given examples of what the Constitution mandates, they all responded with some variation of “Yeah, that’s maybe good in theory, but in the real world we can’t expect to run things that way and still protect ourselves! After all, the Constitution is not a suicide pact!”

      The Constitution is a dead letter.

  23. Brad says:

    The DOJ is now setting up an email for tips against Zimmerman for any racist actions or comments he may have made. Totalitarianism.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

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