Arctic Ice Rapidly Growing

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arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008

Apparently the world’s leading experts were wrong

the Arctic will be ice-free in the summer of 2013

– John Kerry, US Secretary of State

John Kerry: We Can’t Ignore the Security Threat from Climate Change

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BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013′

James Hansen : ‘This is the last chance’

6/23/2008

“We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes,” Hansen told the AP before the luncheon. “The Arctic is the first tipping point and it’s occurring exactly the way we said it would.”

Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer.

NASA warming scientist: ‘This is the last chance’ – USATODAY.com

June 26, 2013

The alarming loss of sea ice which has grown worse each summer over the past several decades, has taken a sharp turn for the worse: this year the loss is right in the middle, the most resilient part of the ice cover. This could lead to a completely ice-free Arctic Ocean by September.

Unprecedented hole is growing in Arctic sea ice – Fairfax Climate Watch

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Why Arctic sea ice will vanish in 2013 | Sierra Club Canada

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226 Responses to Arctic Ice Rapidly Growing

  1. David says:

    This link is very informative and indeed relevant for this thread.

    http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2014/04/piomas-april-2014.html

  2. It is difficult to know where to begin with people as stupid as you as you are.

  3. You are a complete whack job.

  4. Latitude says:

    John…do you own a mirror

  5. You best check with the Christian Science Monitor and Wall Street Journal who both published articles referencing this blog during the past month.

  6. Latitude says:

    “I have no idea what that means?”

    “Anyone who is still in denial in regards to climate change must be so entrenched in their views that you will never convince them no matter what facts you show them.”

  7. John b says:

    Dear Latitude

    I’m not entrenched, I’m just posting facts, I only deal in facts, don’t try and embroil me in semantics I do not care, show me some facts don’t post semantics and we can talk further BOY.

    I just like making fools look like fools, deniers are my favourite as you get so angry

    The same tricks played out by all slack jawed yokels lets try and use smoke and mirrors run along now BOY.

  8. miked1947 says:

    JohnB:
    You are posting the fantasy that supports your religion! The ling view should be about 4 million years and we have some evidence that you are FOS based on long term evidence. Your buddy Revkin is FOS also to publish fairy tales about something he don’t know Jack about!
    I am still waiting for evidence of “Extreme” weather events that are outside normal variations and frequency. The events and frequency have been both worse and more frequent in the past. Cold spells have been longer. Warm spells have been longer. Droughts have been longer. We have experienced some of the mildest weather patterns since the beginning of human existence. And that period has seen some of the mildest weather variations that have been recorded in the geological record.
    I believe that puts you in the denier camp regarding long term “Climate”.
    You can quit using the term Realist when referring to your self as it becomes an Oxymoron when used in the same sentence with some that believe in CAGW such as your self.

  9. Lou says:

    Useless. 1979 happened to be at the highest amount of ice in years. Look at the years prior to 1979. You fail.

  10. Latitude says:

    what long view John….the one no one can predict

  11. Latitude says:

    global warming…climate change…extreme weather

    …irritable climate syndrome

    You have no problem looking like a total fool…do you?

  12. Latitude says:

    “Anyone who is still in denial in regards to climate change must be so entrenched in their views that you will never convince them no matter what facts you show them.”

  13. Lou says:

    Steve posted this plenty of times, you wanker.

  14. miked1947 says:

    Steven:
    That was “Where to Begin”! probably also where to end! John B is a Whack Job.

  15. miked1947 says:

    Latitude:
    JohnB does not realize he is defining himself when talking about denying climate Reality.

  16. John b says:

    Ah bless more insults little man, well done I bet your parents are so proud of you?

  17. John b says:

    Dear Latitude, Really what are your views then so far you have only posted insults and offered no insight as to workings of anything, you little, little man!

    What do think is happening and what are your views of the satellite data in links I have provided?

    Please enlighten us?
    :-)

  18. miked1947 says:

    It is still BS! What you are seeing is a portion of long term weather patterns that have been controlling ice conditions since this Ice Age started 38 million years ago. It has been a period of Maximum and minimum glaciations. We have no clue how long this Ice Age will last. We do have a clue when the next maximum glaciation will happen, as it seems to follow a pattern. The pattern shows the globe is slowly cooling and has been for more than 5,000 years, with minor warming periods.
    35 years is less than a blink of the eye in geological time, especially when we know there are long term weather patterns that last 40 to 80 years, such as PDO, AMO and AO. That does not even take into account the longer term weather evens in the range of 1,00 or even the 40,000 and the 100.000 year cycles that are evident in geological history.
    http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc.html#maps

  19. Shazaam says:

    1979 was a recent peak in Northern Hemisphere ice levels. https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/missing-arctic-ice-located-in-the-great-lakes/#comment-311604

    And the global cooling hysteria was really in high gear at the time. It’s unfortunate that so much of the 1970’s hysteria is not present on the internet. Though it’s likely also a blessing as today’s warming-mongers could take notes on what tactics worked and what tactics failed with the global cooling hysteria.

    It’s easy to show a decline when you start at the highest point and ignore anything else.

    If it makes you feel better, close your eyes and make believe you are “saving the planet”. Facts are a complete waste of time for the “true believers”.

    Fortunately there is this little thing called reality. It’s damned tough to ignore, and it’s coming your way.

  20. miked1947 says:

    Talk about Pathetic! Pseudo Science at its best! Some would even consider it Pathological Science!
    Increased temperatures in the Arctic region only result in increased biological activity. There are critters, that are part of the food chain that thrive on Methane, as there are life forms that thrive on CO2, and they are also part of the food chain.

  21. miked1947 says:

    You just proved you do not know WTF you are talking about.
    Global SEA Ice is at its highest for this date since satellite records began.

  22. miked1947 says:

    JohnB:
    Quit acting so stupid. The planet warmed even faster during the early part of the 1900s. It warmed even faster many times in the past. We are not pushing up the temperature and the temperature has been close to flatline for close to 20 years. There were times in the 1800s when the temperatures were the same or warmer than today. The are still finding plants that were mature under glaciers where plants can not grow today and those plants grew in those locations in the last 4,000 years. It is getting cooler, Long Term.

  23. miked1947 says:

    I am a Tree Hugger! I used to own a Tree Farm. However I am a Realist about weather and climate.
    My icon is my pet pig that will start flying before the CAGW hysteria becomes reality.
    Go back to your Chicken Little Brigade. You failed to impress anyone.

  24. Shazaam says:

    Reggie? Is that you?

    Have you healed-up after your Brawndo-fueled Arctic Blowtorch packed it in last summer?

    How bad are the scars?

  25. Normally I block spammers, but you are a poster child for alarmist brain damage

  26. Shazaam says:

    Obviously kidde-garden let out early today.

    If your reading comprehension skills are up to reading and comprehending the post you might notice there is a link to follow.

    link reproduced here for the reading comprehension failures: http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/winter/lake-effect-storms-may-ease-as-ice-cover-nears-100-20140123 <— click and read.

    Read carefully, take your time. We know you may have to sound-out the big words. However we can be very patient with the disabled.

    The source data is from the ice concentration maps from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory.

    You could make your very own you-Tube with that data. And if you also start with 1979, you can make it sound really scary too. I'm sure you'd like that.

  27. Gail Combs says:

    And the global cooling hysteria was really in high gear at the time. It’s unfortunate that so much of the 1970′s hysteria is not present on the internet….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actually it is.

    Nigel Calder was a science writer on the original staff of the New Scientist in 1956. He became editor of that magazine in 1962… BIO

    Calder was very much involved in the reporting on the comming of the next ice age in the 1970. This is his recap HERE

    In that blog article he mentions

    Kukla warned President Nixon

    Those who rewrite the history of climate science to suit the man-made global warming hypothesis hate to be reminded that global cooling and the threat of a new ice age rang alarm bells in the 1960s and 1970s. In the Orwellian manner they try to airbrush out the distinguished experts involved, and to say it was just a scare story dreamed up by stupid reporters like me.

    No, we didn’t make it up. I was present in Rome in 1961 when global cooling was already the main concern at a conference of the World Meteorological Organization and Unesco (see the Unesco reference). The discussions were led by Hubert Lamb of the UK Met Office, who went on to found the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

    A persistent concern of Lamb and others was that the world might return to a Little Ice Age like that of 300 years ago. But the improving knowledge of glacial history, and especially the apparent brevity of warm interglacials, prompted anxiety about a full-blown ice age. George Kukla, together with Robert Matthews of Brown University, convened a conference in 1972 entitled “The Present Interglacial: How and When will it End?”, and reported it in Science magazine.

    Kukla and Matthews alerted President Richard Nixon, and as a result the US Administration set up a Panel on the Present Interglacial involving the State Department and other agencies. None of us knew then that the mid-century cooling was about to be punctuated by a warming spell from the late 1970s to the mid 1990s.

    The result was the 1974 CIA REPORT: “A Study of Climatological Research as it Pertains to Intelligence Problems”

    I was an adult in the 1970s and an avid rock-hound/caver/geology-nut so I very much remember the ‘Ice Age Scare’

  28. John b says:

    Hi GODDARD do have to post under so many different names as no one cares about your site? makes it look busy and you can get away with being more insulting.

    The more shit you talk the more the really media will want to find you and when the do you be crushed and it will be funny, and you will be remembered as that crazy fool and your children will be ashamed of you.

    And I will be one of them laughing at you.
    :-)

    ENJOY

  29. I’m not spamming him because he is an excellent spokesman for the clueless. Probably best not to engage him though.

  30. miked1947 says:

    JohnB:
    Steven Goodard only post under that name and AFAIK he lives in Colorado. I live in E TN and we have commentators from all over the world at this site.
    Steven is probably just ignoring your rants, because t=you make such a good case for ignoring the CAGW CLB Morons.
    One day you will wake up and realize the Sky is NOT Falling. It is not a laughing matter!

  31. miked1947 says:

    The more I engage, the worse he looks. But It is time to eat and watch a movie with the wife. ;)

  32. Shazaam says:

    I thought I saw a MHDD “short bus” go by a little while ago.

    Obviously the bus made a “delivery” a little while ago….. ’cause “short bus” is back with us…..

  33. John b says:

    OH my god SHAZ are you still here? No one cares what you say please read the links you provided about weather IM laughing at you they mean nothing you silly old cow!!

    Even GODDARD wont defend your DRIVEL that’s how idiotic you sound and how pathetic your links are!!!

  34. miked1947 says:

    One: It is not Global!
    Two: I would like to see pictures of the satellites they used to measure the amount of ice in the northern hemisphere, during 1900! TIA for your link to the satellite info!
    Even the satellites used during the 40s would be acceptable.

  35. miked1947 says:

    Of course they probably used “Chicken Bones” like the current crop of “Climate Experts” do to measure Mann Made global Warming.

  36. Drewski says:

    miked1947,
    This is from WUWT and it is GLOBAL and, as you can see, it is NOT the highest sea ice ever recorded.
    From WUWT: http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/

  37. Jan 1 global sea ice area was the highest ever recorded in January. Stop being so dull.

  38. Steve says:

    Hi why is global sea an important factor to you?

  39. Steve says:

    Hi they wouldn’t of used satellites data before 1979 as there wasn’t any it would have been data extracted from other reliable sources.

  40. Steve says:

    Hi they wouldn’t of used satellites data before 1979 as there wasn’t any it would have been data extracted from other reliable sources.

  41. Steve says:

    Hi MIke all your posts seem to be insulting people for disagreeing with you and and agreeing with the facts before them? Its not a laughing matter that it is too late do anything about GLOBAL WARMING living with the consequences is the only challenge now. In the next 20 years we will some massive changes im guessing your 67 (mike 1947) so it might not matter to you but it will affect younger generations.

  42. They have satellite sea ice data going back to the 1960s.

  43. miked1947 says:

    Steve:
    Being a few years older, I have seen a few errors coming from “Science”. CAGW is the biggest fraud yet! However you seem to be to blind to see that.

  44. Steve says:

    Hi Steve as above why is global sea ice such an important factor to you what does it prove? I’m only an amateur at this but with all the information available I don’t see why why it matters in terms of proving Global Warming isn’t happening???

  45. Steve says:

    Hi stevengoddard. Can you post some then please (1960 satellite data). Also why is Global sea so important to you? What does it prove?

  46. Steve says:

    Hi Mike1947 I could point out the same to you! :-) There is lots of evidence pointing towards a warming planet that are man made / induced. The one i normally here is it was once hotter at “insert a time or date here” When the moon aligned with Jupiter and the sun had a hot spot just as earth passed which meant in was warmer etc (exaggerated example :-) ) The thing is if that happened now the man made effect would just make those natural warmer periods even warmer!! Does that make sense to you? Regardless of how important you classify certain species who are we to judge their fate? Then again you could argue it would benefit some species me for one i live in England then again it does rain a lot more now in England, even for country known to have lots of rain (by foreign people) for us that live here the change is very noticeable but then its doesnt snow any more and summer is hotter as a bonus :-):-):-)

  47. miked1947 says:

    I guess history is not one of your best subjects. History shows you are wrong on all counts. Of course I am talking about written history rather than 10 or 20 year history.

  48. Gail Combs says:

    You mean history as shown in this graph?

  49. Steve says:

    Meh, keep your insults mike1947, I don’t care what a pathetic site!! As some posters have pointed out no one listens to old fools like you any more. Goodbye.

  50. miked1947 says:

    That is about right :)

  51. Steve says:

    OH and mike1947 I’m not wrong on any counts? What written history is this i’m wrong on!! I have mentioned no history?

    I said Deniers mention warmer periods back yonder when it was warmer like the medieval warm period which is a load of rubbish anyway if you read about it and digest the information correctly.

    I said the man made made effects would make those natural warm periods even warmer as in if whatever caused the so called “”medieval warm period” happened now the man made effects would make that warm period even warmer!!

    I asked if you understood that?

  52. Steve says:

    hi mike1947 as per previous question?

    I said the man made made effects would make those natural warm periods even warmer as in if whatever caused the so called “”medieval warm period” happened now the man made effects would make that warm period even warmer!!

    I asked if you understood that?

  53. Gail Combs says:

    ” why is global sea ice such an important factor”
    ……….
    Short version – ALBEDO
    If more snow and ice do not melt then more solar radiation is reflected. This means the net amount of energy the earth receives is reduced. The more the net energy is reduced the more snow and ice accumulate.

    Why does that matter especially now? Because we are just passed half precession when glacial inception occurs. (The Little Ice Age was right on time BTW)

    What is the amount of energy received from the sun at glacial inception?
    I extracted the 21 June solar insolation @ 65◦ N for several glacial inceptions from the 2012 paper, Can we predict the duration of an interglacial?

    The 21 June solar insolation @ 65◦ N varies between 463 W m−2 and 500 W m−2.
    We are presently at 479 W m−2 (21 June solar insolation @ 65◦ N ) That means the earth is within the window where glacial inception has occurred in the past.

    To give you an idea of how much the solar insolation can vary over time:
    Holocene peak – around 523 W m−2 @ 60N June
    Depth of an ice age – around 437 W m−2 @ 60N June
    NOW (Modern Warm Period) – 476 Wm-2 @ 60N June
    From (www)1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/orbital_variations/berger_insolation/insol91.jun

  54. miked1947 says:

    Steve:
    I agree! At 1000 ppm CO2 the temperature “May” well be .0001C higher due to human influences. However due to the scale of natural variability, that is seen in historic records, we can not separate human influences from natural influences. Therefore it does not matter if the globe experiences conditons similar to the MWP, RWP or even the Holocene Optimum before the next Glacial Maximum.It could be the result of either natural influences, as seen in geological records or human influences as promoted by the Chicken Little Brigade. One thing I do know, Humans will adapt to weather conditions, unless idiots like you convince the majority to waste money on meaningless efforts like CCS or reducing CO2 in the atmosphere.

  55. David says:

    Antarctic sea ice always melts completey in the summer its extended growth in the winter has almost no effect on the amount of heat absorbed by the sea in the summer?

    So you agree by proxy that extended Antarctic sea ice in the winter means nothing and that its extension is a direct result of global warming.

    Thank you for agreeing. you are learning.

  56. David says:

    Hi mike1947 you are almost there keep trying! its not 0.0001c higher it is a lot higher it is hotter now that the so called MWP you are aware that is load of crap the MWP that is, it wasn’t even a global event!

    Anyway at least you have admitted that there is global warming and that it human induced

    So we’ve established my proposal is sound in principle, now we’re just haggling over figures…………..!

    Thank you for agreeing it takes big man to change his views I am truly impressed pity there aren’t more like you.

  57. Latitude says:

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    ….makers of Seroquel

  58. miked1947 says:

    ROFLMAO!!!!

  59. Gail Combs says:

    David says: @ March 28, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    So you agree by proxy that extended Antarctic sea ice in the winter means nothing and that its extension is a direct result of global warming.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Did you bother to read my comment?
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/arctic-ice-rapidly-growing/#comment-332091

    Are you really that DENSE?
    Let me put it in very simple terms.

    With a quiet sun the earth could descend into an ice age NOW as in this coming decade. The switch from the Wisconsin Glaciation to the Holocene HAPPENED IN THREE YEARS!!

    Extended Antarctic sea ice in the winter (and summer) means less solar energy because the sea ice from the Antarctic is much closer to the equator than Arctic ice. We are ALREADY at a low enough solar energy that several geologists state glacial inception is possible. IF Antarctic sea ice continues to grow it could be the switch to flip the earth into an ice age. Even the IPCC agrees the climate is a chaotic system. That means it is stable around one strange attractor and then enough changes in the system happen to switch it to another strange attractor.

    Lesson from the past: Present Insolation Minimum Holds Potential for Glacial Inception (2007)

    …Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started….
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379107002715

    In other words generating as much CO2 as possible just might keep the earth out of an Ice age. Global warming with a solar insolation AT glacial inception is the last thing to worry about!

  60. Gail Combs says:

    I think it means we have enough information about how the climate really works and we know that CO2 is still climbing although the temperature stopped climbing almost two decades ago, to not be swayed by the hyperventilating and breathless prose of the propagandists.

    You have to be really dumbed down with out an ounce of curiosity or independence to still believe in Gore’s Bull about warming.

    Heck, even Gore doesn’t believe the bull he spouts.
    1. he bought a mansion WITH FIREPLACES on the seashore of semi-tropical California.

    2. He has cashed in his Green energy stock and bought Natural Gas Pipeline stock.

    3. His ‘Carbon Foot Print’ is bigger than some African countries. (Which royally ticks them off by BTW)

  61. David says:

    Al gore WTF! why do I care what al gore does.

    My opinions are my based on maths and the fact that the planet is warming?

  62. David says:

    Gail seriously I don’t no where to start with this can you not read?

  63. David says:

    Hi Gail and any one else

    Pretty easy to follow even for you very mature old people with your smugness’ seriously I hope you children are the first to be affected and that you witness it.

    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html

  64. David says:

    Hi Gail

    All this happening during a solar minimum really are YOU DENSE woman.

  65. David says:

    Hi Gail and old people

    An american link for you in case you are racist to our British information!

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

    Very simple to follow.

  66. Steve says:

    Come on its not that easy, where is the smoke and mirrors, you should have cherry picked some of the data then waited until the exact time of the correct season to make sure the figures hit home harder.

    Us ‘alarmists’ should learn to sue DENIER tricks, to be fair soon they wont be able to spread lies….!
    :-) :-) :-)

  67. David says:

    Gail and this one can help for the short sighted and stupid please read and let me know what you think.

    Thanks

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp

    Very very simple to follow.

  68. David says:

    Jesus that is funny Goddard uses crayons, classic

    http://uknowispeaksense.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/idiotic-denier-graph-of-the-day-august-262012/goddard-uses-crayons/

    You couldn’t make it up. :-) :-) :-)

  69. Steve says:

    If you have the aptitude to watch this from beginning to end it also explains a lot, in basic terms so it is not to difficult to understand.

    Hope it helps explain why this thread and its silly opening posts are just that, silly?

    I cant understand how anyone can come to the conclusions Deniers do!

    But it seems like you enjoy yourselves so go for it, you may as well just make any shit up! Blame aliens or say the is a cold war going on still :-) , the ‘alarmists’ have hired NASA to carry warmth off the planet i heat pods :-) :-) :-)

    Deniers if you are going to make shit up and have fun at least use your imagination :-)

  70. David says:

    I would like to add this following information, global warming is happening whether you like it or not, are you arguing it is not happening or it is not man made please clarify deniers??

    Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
    LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
    Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html

    And a link to explain about cherry picked data.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/

    Thank you.

  71. You’re posting in an article from September which is about September sea-ice.

  72. Steve says:

    Apparently Arctic ice is rapidly melting now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOL

  73. Steve says:

    Hi Stark yes i know i have posted a link which highlights cherry picking data!

  74. David says:

    Steve its ok I’ve re-run my maths using denier logic and maths and my findings are below.

    Global warming is in full swing, the Arctic ice is now rapidly melting, thanks for proving our maths correct with your simple babble I don’t know why we didn’t think of it earlier.

    So there you go debate is over global warming proved to be a fact by deniers logic, ice in the arctic is rapidly melting, if ice is melting then that means it must be getting warmer!!

    We told you we were right and you helped us prove it thank you :-) :-) :-)

  75. David says:

    This link is very informative and indeed relevant for this thread.

    http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2014/04/piomas-april-2014.html

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