Huge Increase In Five Year Old Ice Coming Next Year

Julienne Stroeve at NSIDC has been saying for years that the Arctic is losing 5+ year old ice, and I have been pointing out to her for years that there is going to be be a huge increase in five year old ice in 2014.

NSIDC has now confirmed that what I have been saying is going to occur. Next March, there is going to be a lot of 5+ ice.

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44 Responses to Huge Increase In Five Year Old Ice Coming Next Year

  1. Latitude says:

    Julienne never seemed to get that, no matter how many times it was explained to her
    ….she’s not that dumb

  2. Lance says:

    thin, rotten 5 year old ice….

  3. Andy DC says:

    A beautiful foundation to build upon. The alarmists must really be squirming!

  4. Green Sand says:

    Not sure if this is a glitch but Masie has just posted a single day increase in Ice Extent in excess of 500,000 Square Kilometers!

    http://nsidc.org/data/masie/

    Significant increases in East Siberian and Laptev Seas

    http://nsidc.org/data/masie/masie_plots.html

  5. Caleb says:

    What I notice is the lack of ice trickling down the east coast of Greenland. That is an exit route for a lot of ice. It gets flushed south through Fram Strait, reducing the “extent” of ice in a manner that has zip-zero to do with temperatures to the north, (though it may reduce temperatures in the south on years when extreme amounts of ice are flushed out.) However this year the ice isn’t flushing. Call a plumber, because if the ice doesn’t flush, it just swirls about the bowl…I mean Pole.

    • John Silver says:

      There’s high speed movement towards the Fram Strait right now, bad for sea ice extent:

      • Caleb says:

        I do check that map, on the WUWT “Sea Ice Page,” and it often mystifies me. I’m not sure it isn’t a forecast rather than current conditions, because it doesn’t always jive with the specific reality of the “North Pole Camera Site.” Sometimes the latitude and longitude given for that site can indicate the ice is moving one way but the Navy map states it is going another. The past two days have indicated a slow drift south for that site, in a calm between two wind-fields, but the Navy site makes it look like the ice is surging south at top speed, with the map colored red.

        Do you know what the measure of speed is for those maps?

        The ice is currently moving south at roughly a sixth of a mile per hour, or roughly four miles a day. At that rate it will be a hundred days to get to the melt-place in Fram Strait. And that would require a hundred days with no south winds pushing the ice back north.

  6. Anthony Bremner says:

    Anybody know what looks like a ship is doing in the background of these ice buoy pictures? It has been there for weeks.Note temperatures of the melting North Pole are -15C and lower. http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/

  7. scizzorbill says:

    Stroeve: When facts trump wishful thinking.

  8. Avery Harden says:

    This sounds more credible. At least try to understand what the other side is saying. Lord knows I am trying to understand you all.
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Has-Arctic-sea-ice-recovered.htm

  9. Latitude says:

    Avery Harden says:
    October 7, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    This sounds more credible. At least try to understand what the other side is saying.
    ================
    AVery, this is what your other side, from your link, is saying:

    “The volume of multi-year ice has not recovered at all, and is showing a steeply negative trend.”

    Which is complete and total bullcrap….

  10. Fred from Canuckistan says:

    Gee, it is almost as if there natural cycles or something.

    Wonder if the consensus scientists have figured that out?

  11. R. de Haan says:

    The Water Melons, green from the inside, red to the outside won’t refrain from any alarmist hit piece to undermine the capitalist system and the West.

    All registers have been pulled to shackle, micromanage and control the future of human kind and our wonderful civilization.

    This is a life and death struggle for billions of people.

    Let’s adapt to the real dangers here and stop discussing the subjects that are only intended as a smoke curtain.

    They’re thugs, cowards and opportunists and history tells us we have alway’s overcome existential threats from dark doctrines like Communism and we beat the National Socialists but we only made progress when we stopped talking and and decided to stop them in their tracks.

    This time is no different than any previous occasions except for the that we now have to confront the enemy from within.

    We know who they are, we know where to find them and a freedom loving man has to do what he’s got to do.

    You don’t sweet talk or discuss a tumor. You cut it out.

    Time is of the essence because the constitution and our economy is cracking up.

    If we don;t act before the pending crash we will be faced with the military.

    The USA has incredible resources.

    We can rally 3 million motor cyclists if we want to.

    We can rally 3 million protestors if we want to.

    We can rally hundreds of thousands of sport pilots.

    We have people like Burt Rutan on our side and many, many talented scientists, engineers, bloggers, posters, political independents and opponents.

    We can vote out the entire political establishment, Democrats and Republicans if we want to.

    We only have to make the decission.

    Environmentalist socialism has no scientific merit.

    We don’t need any violence, we don’t need any discussions.

    All we need to do is send a clear message to the Government and the media that we know what’ they’re up to en tell them the line red line has been crossed.
    Tell them that we are fed up with their lies their policies and them railroading the strongest nation in the world.

    Let’s write a clear declaration that every body can understand, rally the masses and show the establishment that they face their last days in Government.

    The siege and strangulation of our economies has taken too long and I am getting totally board by the continuous recycling of the same daft claims and arguments, most of them debunked a long time ago.

    The time has come to for a demonstration of power.

    The power of the “sane” people.

  12. slimething says:

    The kind word used to describe Julienne’s MO is confirmation bias. Personally I think Lysenkoism is the more correct description; crooked as a barrel of fish hooks. That’s just my opinion.

  13. Chewer says:

    At least spring is in the air down south, which is making the penguins quite happy:
    http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html
    Temperatures from 11 kilometers to 1700 kilometers above the surface is giving the alarmists heartache and they don’t understand why, nor do they understand what is happening within the 1st 11 kilometers…

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