Climate Experts Say That Winters Are Getting Warmer And Children Won’t Know What Snow Is

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

Monday 20 March 2000

the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.  “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past – Environment – The Independent

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65 Responses to Climate Experts Say That Winters Are Getting Warmer And Children Won’t Know What Snow Is

  1. matayaya says:

    Winter doesn’t disprove global warming. I hope you post the average temperatures from November to March when they become available.

      • matayaya says:

        And here are the World temps for November 2013 from NOAA. It is misleading to just show the US NOAA record, especially since the US is only 2 percent of the world’s landmass. Your source is NOAA so you can’t bash my sourcing of NOAA.
        “November 2013 was the warmest November since modern temperature record keeping began in 1880, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced today in its latest State of the Climate report, which summarizes climate-related news from around the world.
        With a combined land and ocean surface temperature of 56.6 degrees Fahrenheit, November 2013 also was the 345th consecutive month – and the 37th November in a row – with a global temperature higher than the 20th century average, the NOAA report added.”

        • RSS showed November close to the median since 1979. NOAA is completely full of baloney.

        • matayaya says:

          So you get to cherry pick your NOAA stat but when I use your same source, it is baloney.

        • Sorry, I meant to say that the NOAA stat is complete bullshit.

        • Karl W. Braun says:

          Here’s a graph of temp anomalies from five major datasets:

          Average global temperatures haven’t been going much of anywhere this century.

        • WPBHurricane05 says:

          What NOAA stat is Steve using? He’s comparing a NOAA forecast for N-D-J to reality in that graphic. NOAA gave a 40% chance of the Midwest being above average, yet that same area has been 10° F below average. It completely discredits NOAA.

      • matayaya says:

        The quality of discussion here reminds me of sitting in a seedy bar with a bunch of crotchety men getting lubricated, suffering from Dunning-Kruger syndrome. Not much curiosity or intellectual honesty to be found here. Cheers.

        • Ben says:

          I’m very curious as to why Australia moved away from (Tmin + Tmax) / 2 to determine average temperature, aren’t you? Do you find it curious that their “record temperature” would have made headlines if they aggregated temperature the way the rest of the world does?

          Does it make you curious that not much intellectual honesty can be found in the current datasets?

        • matayaya says:

          If you are actually curious, look back over the prior comments that led me to make my statement instead of setting up a new straw man. No one responds to anything I want to discuss. I know your arguments a whole lot better than you know mine.

        • matayaya says:

          Watts posted that assuming most of his “skeptic” audience would not read all the way thru. The salient point is “it would not be expected that they have much of a direct effect on trends. After all, if one station is consistently overestimated across the years, it will have the same trend as if the values were replaced by the true values. Or if it varies cyclically by season, again after sufficient time the variations would tend to cancel and the trend be mostly unaffected”.

        • michael says:

          Excellent observation. This site could be the illustration for Mr Dunning and Mr Kruger’s paper. The folks coming around here are so convinced they’re self-evidently right, there’s no need to ever check their chain of assumptions. Or read things like this:

          http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/revisiting-why-incompetents-think-theyre-awesome/

    • It must have taken a Herculean effort to delete the opening words “You denialist scumbag…” 🙂

    • Andy Oz says:

      A hot Summer doesn’t prove global warming either.

    • And stupid is not science not an iota of fact supports cagw prmised on co2 – just fascist rhetoric

    • No, but any valid scientific hypothesis must postulate a dispositive data set by which it can disproven. For example, a human skeleton fossilized inside that of a tyrannosaur would probably disprove Darwinian evolution. What is your dispositive data set for the Anthropogenic Global Warming Hypothesis? What set of facts causes you to say, “This hypothesis does not stand up to observation and I must discard it?”

      Because so far, AGWH proponents seem awfully good at playing “Heads I win/tails you lose”, but not so good at practicing actual science with this.

      • matayaya says:

        A survey was done of 13,950 peer-reviewed climate articles written between 1991 and 2012 that say human caused global warming is real. 24 peer reviewed climate articles said it is not real.

        • Then surely one of them must have offered up a dispositive data set. I’ll wait.

        • matayaya says:

          That’s a straw man argument, throw some basic science on the table and lets talk about that. I was wanting to discuss the albedo effect and how it contributes to warming the oceans. The discussion was about whether water has a low albedo or not. I was surprised how few people here on this “science” website wanted to consider jump in. The appetite here seems to be more for red meat and snark than substance.

        • Global sea ice area is at an all-time record high for January. How about that albedo?

        • Global warming is real. Global cooling is real. Extreme weather is real. Hurricanes are real. Sea level rise is real. CO2 is real. Glad we’ve cleared that one up, Matayaya.

          (Although I appreciate that my global warming denialism risks subjecting your kids kids kids to higher air conditioning costs, reduced winter deaths and increased agricultural production.)

        • gator69 says:

          “In the never ending quest for alarmists to one up their incompetent friends they continue to seek out new ways to demonstrate their own computer illiteracy. Enter James Powell who in a meaningless analysis is apparently ignorant that the ‘Web of Science’ database does not have a “peer-reviewed” only filter and the existence of a search phrase in a returned result does not determine it’s context. Thus, all that can be claimed is there were 13,950 meaningless search results not “peer-reviewed scientific articles” for a query of the ‘Web of Science’ database – with 24 chosen by strawman argument.”

          http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/04/13950-meaningless-search-results.html?m=1

          I have a bridge for sale, matayammer. 😆

        • catweazle666 says:

          Oh dear…

        • Justa Joe says:

          There’s a lot of incentive to write pro-AGW drivel. There’s not much reason to write about the climate being the same as it ever was.

          Why do warmists never acknowledge all of the BS troweled out by the media/”academia” regarding AGW? The warmlist would be a reference. There policy seems to be never concede anything and “not one step back.”

    • Chewer says:

      What happens when this inter-glacial ends?
      Do you folks who thrive on man-made doom come up with a new crisis?

    • gator69 says:

      Alarmists are getting dumber and they don’t know what snow is anymore.

  2. It doesn’t snow much in East Anglia. 2 inches of snow in London and the whole city shuts down. Most years they don’t get any snow in southern England.

  3. Andy Oz says:

    Roxanne Palmer at the IBT is a big fan of Eric nutcase. More Kool aid. I could say something about her 5 daughters being very friendly with Eric, but that would be inappropriate. Roxanne however is a bona fide alarmist.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/polar-vortex-climate-change-why-cold-weather-doesnt-disprove-global-warming-1528596

  4. Mike says:

    Reblogged this on makeaneffort and commented:
    I wish.

  5. Andy DC says:

    It is like Mother Nature threw them quite a curveball, much below where they had it much above. If you want to reduce wasteful, frivilous Government spending, that is a good place to start.

  6. matayaya says:

    Steve, you are a scientist, so what about albedo and the low albedo of water? This is an important pillar of the “warmist” argument. To refute the warmist argument, you have to refute the premise of the low albedo of water. That is hard for a scientist to do.

    • What part of “global sea ice area is at a record January high” isn’t clear to you?

      • A survey was done of 13,950 peer-reviewed climate articles written between 1991 and 2012 and they all think low albedo is a bad thing. I know this, because I’ve read all these papers twice. Only 24 peer reviewed climate articles said albedo was not real.

      • Hugh K says:

        I’m thinking the same part, that Turney and his ship of fools…er…scientists…overlooked.

        • matayaya says:

          This doesn’t fit the narrative. climatecentral.org/news/australias-2013-was-a-scorcher-for-the-record-books-16920

        • Andy Oz says:

          BOM Conveniently lose or adjust the data so it fits quite nicely.
          http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/120353585

        • gator69 says:

          I’m the ‘record’ heat in Australia has nothing to do with this…

          “YIKES! Before getting homogenized, temperatures in Darwin were falling at 0.7 Celcius per century … but after the homogenization, they were warming at 1.2 Celcius per century. And the adjustment that they made was over two degrees per century … when those guys “adjust”, they don’t mess around. And the adjustment is an odd shape, with the adjustment first going stepwise, then climbing roughly to stop at 2.4C.”

          http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/

        • matayaya says:

          When all is said and done, the mainstream scientist will not be the one’s uncovered as propagandist. Imagine what temperatures will do when the next El Nino comes around. Globally, it was another warm year. As of the end of November, global temperatures were 0.49C above average, ranking 2013 as the 6th hottest year on record. Thirteen of the 14 hottest years on record have occurred since 2001..bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/aus/2013/?ref=marketing

        • gator69 says:

          You cannot be as stupid as you pretend. Or can you?

          After all the posts you have been shown that clearly illustrate how temperatures have been adjusted to show warming, you point to adjusted temperatures as proof of warming.

          Your ignorance is obviously self imposed. So I guess there is no question that you are.

        • matayaya says:

          Your blindered brain refuses to see the trend lines. Besides, the scientific method is based on new learning and incorporating what is learned into perpetually evolving hypothesis. Science is not politics.

        • gator69 says:

          More projection from the mentally deficient.

          I believed the ‘trends’, until I saw the tampering. No blinders, like those that you wear.

          Keep digging, maybe you will find a hole. 😆

        • matayaya says:

          You are deranged. Might as well be talking to a stump.

        • gator69 says:

          So a magician in a theater makes a woman disappear, then an audience member shows you the false bottom in the magicians box. Do you…

          A) Believe in magic
          or…
          B) Call the audience member a liar
          or…
          C) Take your head out of your ass

          I’ll give you all day to figure this out, and you can even phone a friend, if you have any, and can figure out a phone.

        • You forgot to mention that the more accurate satellite data shows the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

        • matayaya says:

          If you are referencing the UAH series only, you are not showing the entire picture. Even UAH shows a warming trend. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Satellite_Temperatures.png

        • I’m talking about RSS.
          UAH is staffed mainly by NASA people, and is also cooling the past.

        • matayaya says:

          “Satellite measurements do show warming in the Tropsphere when a cooling bias from the Stratosphere is removed. Warming trends agree well with surface temperatures and model predictions except near the Poles. Differences between various analyses are largely due to analysis techniques and compensations for satellite data issues.” I’m sure this means nothing when engaged like a Johnny Cochran.

        • gator69 says:

          “The controversy [i] goes all the way back to the first paper of Roy Spencer and John Christy [ii] about their UAH tropospheric temperature dataset in the early nineties. At the time their data didn’t show warming of the troposphere. Later a second group (Carl Mears and Frank Wentz of RSS) joined in, using the same satellite data to convert them into a time series of the tropospheric temperature. Several corrections, e.g. for the orbital changes of the satellite, were made in the course of years with a warming trend as a result. However the controversy remains because the tropical troposphere is still showing a smaller amplification of the surface warming which is contrary to expectations.”

          Wow! More fudging by warmists produced a little warming! Shocking! 😆

    • Karl W. Braun says:

      To refute an argument, it suffices just to refute any one of its claims.

      • matayaya says:

        How do you refute a bogus premise when there isn’t enough time to refute the string of prior bogus premises. If people want to deny reality, what can one do? At some point it is like OJs lawyers. Everyone can see a lie is being sold but no one can stop it. Time will tell.

  7. Andy Oz says:

    David Viner’s new employer taking taxpayer money from dopey governments knee jerking to non existent CAGW scam.
    https://www.mottmac.com/article/4181/mott-macdonald-appointed-on-five-year-coastal-defence-contract-uk

  8. jeff says:

    Well we’re not getting any snow in the lowlands in the pacific northwest, temps been in the 30s and 40s for a while….Columbia river used to freeze over…
    The bridge is frozen…
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&dat=19500120&id=3WhYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=cvcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1245,3501299
    February 21, 1905 frozen over…
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19050221&id=rq1XAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lvMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1624,857112
    Feb. 20 1936…Moscow, Idaho reaches 20 degrees the closest to freezing in two weeks..
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19360221&id=1tpYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BfUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1524,5646365
    January 20, 1916..can walk across Columbia river…
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19160120&id=T8FXAAAAIBAJ&sjid=J_QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2699,1702357
    I can’t believe the winters are not getting warmer.

    • Shazaam says:

      Perhaps you could consider using examples of the Columbia river watershed in it’s current form being frozen. Unfortunately your posted examples conveniently pre-date the 400+ irrigation, hydroelectric and flood control dams built in the Columbia river watershed since 1937.

      All those new river reservoirs that now exist (all built after the news articles you referenced) also act as significant heat reservoirs as well. Thus the volume of water in the Columbia River watershed required to be cooled to freezing in a cold snap must be an order of magnitude large than existed in the days of those news articles.

      You are comparing a crabapple and a pear….. Some similarities perhaps, and yet there is no basis to claim they are identical.

    • Shazaam says:

      And aside from the heat reservoirs, those 400+ dams have also significantly altered the river flow patterns.

      From this source: http://books.google.com/books?id=uXF5b6syTQ8C&hl=en

      At the beginning of the 20th century, roughly 75 percent of the Columbia’s flow occurred in the summer, between April and September. By 1980, the summer proportion had been lowered to about 50 percent, essentially eliminating the seasonal pattern.

      So, the river used to flow 3 times the winter rate in the summer time. Evening-out the flow means that there is now 2x the river flow in winter-time than existed when the river used to freeze. That would make it very difficult to freeze in the current topology.

      Your example is irreparably broken upon the hard rocks of facts.

  9. gator69 says:

    “matayaya says:
    January 9, 2014 at 4:35 pm
    The quality of discussion here reminds me of sitting in a seedy bar with a bunch of crotchety men getting lubricated, suffering from Dunning-Kruger syndrome. Not much curiosity or intellectual honesty to be found here.”

    Projection is a sad defense mechanism.

  10. gator69 says:

    “michael says:
    January 9, 2014 at 5:25 pm
    Excellent observation. This site could be the illustration for Mr Dunning and Mr Kruger’s paper. The folks coming around here are so convinced they’re self-evidently right, there’s no need to ever check their chain of assumptions. Or read things like this:

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/revisiting-why-incompetents-think-theyre-awesome/

    Projection is a sad defense mechanism.

  11. Loki says:

    Babbling on like a bullshit brook. Does anyone care about the truth? Everyone wants to say ‘Im right, your wrong’. Grow up! This is an important topic, actually, a crucial one. Maybe the weather is changing drastically, maybe not. The bottom line is: the weather will change eventually, NOTHING LASTS FOREVER. The sooner we perfect our weather mapping skills, the better.

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