Back To The 16th Century

Greg Laden is trying to return to 16th century witch burning days with his psychotic, dishonest rantings about the weather.

Are the climate science deniers criminals?

Posted by Greg Laden on March 16, 2014

Our future is at risk. The science is settled, in the main, though there are many details to continue to work out and there are unknowns. But no one doubts that business as usual release of fossil carbon into the atmosphere mainly as the greenhouse gas Carbon Dioxide spells big trouble for humanity and the planet Earth, including eventual massive sea level rise and highly disruptive changes in the Earth’s climatology that will make a mess of many things including our food supply. Think failed state. Think Syria. Now, think failed planet, Syria over half the globe, the other half merely a mess. That’s what we are heading for.

Are the climate science deniers criminals? – Greg Laden’s Blog

I must have missed the part in the IPCC report discussing massive sea level rise. These whack jobs have been trying to scare people about the food supply for half a century. Greg needs psychological evaluation. He is clearly deranged.


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35 Responses to Back To The 16th Century

  1. Andy Oz says:

    NASA alarmists say we are all doomed!!!!
    Here is their evidence that climate change is gonna kill us all!!! OMG! My baby!!

  2. I. Lou Minotti says:

    Actually, Steve, the whack-job meme over the food supply these idiots are fear-mongering about is just a rehashed version of Thomas Malthus’ (a “Christian” minister, 1798) lack of faith in God’s provision for humanity for those who actually want it. Malthus needed a psychological evaluation. So, how much more his devotees who bitterly cling to his failed predictions? (See also Ehrlich, Paul & Holdren, John).

    • Dave N says:

      So many are still falling into the same trap (like Malthus and Ehrlich) of grossly underestimating human ingenuity. Ironic that the ones who have absolutely none are those that receive the most attention.

      • Andy Oz says:

        I think the latest scare tactic is quite funny.
        “Professor Andy Challinor, from the School of Earth and Environment at the University of Leeds and lead author of the study, said: “Our research shows that crop yields will be negatively affected by climate change much earlier than expected.””
        Warmer temperatures reduce crop yields??? Climate crapola!
        Two proven contradictions:
        1. more CO2 produces greater plant growth and crop yields.
        2. Cold temperatures kill crops and reduces the growing season.

        The University of Leeds produces idiots or carbon tax stooges.

        • gregole says:

          It appears Professor Challinor hasn’t seen this recent study:

          “In concluding, the U.S. research team declares that “from this remarkable 30-year archive of satellite imagery, we thus see evidence of a greening trend,” which clearly indicates that the net result of the climatic and physiological effects of atmospheric CO2 enrichment on Earth’s terrestrial plant life has in the mean been decidedly beneficial.”

          The paper can be found here, and downloading the .pdf is free. Seems the plants on earth are actually doing just fine – actually better than ever. So how is it that crop yields will fall?

      • Gail Combs says:

        I always loved the The Great Horse-Manure Crisis of 1894

        ….Writing in the Times of London in 1894, one writer estimated that in 50 years every street in London would be buried under nine feet of manure. Moreover, all these horses had to be stabled, which used up ever-larger areas of increasingly valuable land. And as the number of horses grew, ever-more land had to be devoted to producing hay to feed them (rather than producing food for people), and this had to be brought into cities and distributed—by horse-drawn vehicles. It seemed that urban civilization was doomed…..

        Obviously the ‘Crisis’ never came to pass. If the *&%$! regulators would get the HE!! out of the way humans have the ability to solve problems however as H. L. Mencken said

        The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

        and there is always some idiot ivory tower type with nothing useful to do who is willing to think up the next hobgoblin for the politicians in return for generous grants.

      • PJ London says:

        This has nothing to do with ingenuity. Ingenuity can overcome real problems and challenges.
        The AGW scam is merely that, “A scam”, what is required is simple intelligence and common sense. An application of intellect to the data put in front of us.
        The ingenuity is on the part of the AGW’ers and their ingenious methods of falsifying the facts and framing the arguments to suit their agenda.

    • omanuel says:

      I agree.

      The delusion that frightened world leaders – with an army of consensus scientists – can direct the world is extremely dangerous.

      Fortunately the power that controls the world will probably intervene to restore sanity (contact with reality).

  3. Dave N says:

    “We can scare the world with stories of disaster, but you cannot tell us we are wrong”

    Those who seek to criminalise free speech are criminals themselves.

  4. KevinK says:

    Yep, he would make a fine Aztec High priest;

    “Sacrifice more virgins, QUICKLY, I think I see a rain cloud approaching”…..

    Deranged is about right,

    Cheers, Kevin.

    • PJ London says:

      OK, all young ladies wishing to be protected from becoming “sacrifices” can apply to me and I will personally ensure that they no longer qualify for holy consecration.
      Services offered at a moderate charge. Proof of age required.
      Slightly experienced ladies, if you are not sure, why take a chance, make certain that you do not qualify by taking advantage of this offer.

  5. Gamecock says:

    “highly disruptive changes in the Earth’s climatology that will make a mess of many things including our food supply.”

    “Greg needs psychological evaluation.” He needs a dictionary, too. What definition of climatology is Laden using?

    The meteorological study of climates and their phenomena.

    the science that deals with the phenomena of climates or climatic conditions.

    How can you have highly disruptive changes to study, or disruptive changes to science? If he gets fired?

    • Justa Joe says:

      Laden operates on the idea that he who has the best superficially impressive jargon can convince the rubes. However, he seems to under-cut his own idea by using the childish and vague phrase”make a mess of many things” unless he’s using his Madonna like English accent on us.

    • Jason Calley says:

      Sadly, Mr. Laden is technically correct. There actually have been “highly disruptive changes in the Earth’s climatology”. He should know; he is one of the criminals at least partly responsible for the serious decline in scientific rigour in the study of climate. The lack of disprovable predictions, the fraudulent “adjustments” to data, the shouting down of opposing ideas — yes, I would say that climatology has been highly disrupted.

      As for “that will make a mess of many things including our food supply”, yes, that is pretty obvious too. Not to mention making a mess of our energy sources, our ability to travel, killing off birds with massive wind farms, etc.

      The only thing Mr. Laden did not do is plainly state that he is actually in favor of destroying western civilization.

  6. Chewer says:

    As some have asked, even if the AGW hypothesis is real, which country gets to adjust the thermostat; the northern ones who’d like it a bit warmer or the mid-latitude ones that like it a tad cooler.
    Greg is in need of medication if he believes that C02 is able to stop the next planetary glaciation mode from beginning!

    • Gail Combs says:

      There are times I really wish the next glaciation would start just to shut the warmists up.

      My point of view is similar to William McClenney since I too have no children:

      Steven Mosher says:
      “Ill put it this way. Take away the records and one still knows that co2 warms the planet and fossil fuels need to b phased out.”

      Let the record show that Mr. Mosher (and presumably Jai) have voted to take their chances vis-a-vis the half-precession old Holocene and [eliminate] the AGW trace gas CO2.

      I’m not actually opposed to what you both would prefer. I have no offspring in the offing…… It isn’t so much that I think CO2 could prevent the next glacial inception, it’s the entertainment value in watching the most progressive of us either do the wrong thing (if you are right) or, at best, an intellectually impotent thing (if you are wrong).

      Go ahead! It’s alright by me if you want to strip the most vaunted GHG from the late Holocene atmosphere. If you are right, you just plunked-down on MIS-1 repeating the extended interglacial MIS-11, for however long you fancy. Please do note, however, that MIS-11 was not all that stable a climate ride….

      Eliminating the pollutant CO2, and a partial precursor CH4, what might it be, precisely, that the present iteration of the genus Homo might employ to obviate the next glacial inception, whenever it comes due? So far, the only anti-glacial pro-biotic/climate steroid in the peer-reviewed “pipeline” are GhGs.

      The alternative is even more interesting. What if GHGs are the key?

      If Ruddiman’s “Early Anthropogenic Hypothesis” is correct, then that (meaning GHG emissions) is what we have been doing, for a large portion of the Holocene, and especially here at the half-precession cycle old Holocene, a.k.a. the so-called Anthropocene. Therefore it would be GHG emissions that have prevented glacial inception, for at least the past few thousand years!

      It quickly follows that removing the only hypothesized/theorized/known “warming enhancer”, climate-steroid, if you will, holds the potential for glacial inception?

      It’s alright by this geologist if you plunk down either way….
      Trust me, I do get it. All of it.

      Including the part when the next glacial does, eventually, get here. And how well adapted the teeming masses of modern humanity will be, this time around. A speciation level event? At some point, we will indeed see, won’t we?

      His article on how repeated glaciations caused increases in ‘homo’ brain weight (speciation level events) makes his comment even more fun. from

      …Our brain case size has experienced dramatic increases, in fits and starts, of course, to go from about 500 cubic centimeters (cc) to about 2,500cc in the last 2-3 million years…

      Eventually, via numerous glaciations, and the increased braincase size that these wrenchingly long freezing events spurred, we made it intact…. So the question really begs to be asked. Will it take another (let’s call it the next, since its actually time for the next one now) ice age to “smarten us up” some more? And the answer to that really depends upon whether or not you have glommed on to what the real problem is yet….

      Given the utter stupidity exhibited by the ‘Best and Brightest’ of humanity aka Academia, maybe it really is time for the next through cleansing of the Gene Pool.

      As I said I have no children to be concerned about. One wonders if the ultra-rich (who are well aware of the impending glaciation no matter what they say in public) will really survive with their wealth intact or if the militant hordes will overwhelm them as has happened during all the other historical cold periods.

      • Dmh says:

        The next glacial period will inevitably bring also the new leap in evolution, starting by the re-definition of human society, probably already in this century.
        Soon (IMO) we’ll be facing challenges that we cannot even imagine now, but nonetheless we *are* prepared… because Mother Nature knows better! 🙂
        BTW, the “ultra-rich … are well aware of the impending glaciation”, as revealed by the “global cooling” topic of the Bilderberg Meeting of 2010,

        • Gail Combs says:

          I was thinking of those links when I made the comment.

          I really hate WordPress limit of two links.

        • Dmh says:

          I have made posts with up to 4 links (possibly 5?) without problems, if there is a limit I don’t know which is.
          Thanks for bringing depth to our discussions here Gail.
          BTW, I believe your analysis of the glacial inception is correct, but what the paper of Tzedakis refers as “bipolar seesaw” (I think) are the Dansgaard/Oeschger events after the starting- and before the beginning- of the glacial periods (see Fig.2 of the paper, for example).
          Your definition though agrees with the usual concept as we see in this paper of Svensmark,
          The Antarctic climate anomaly and galactic cosmic rays
          The Fig.1 of the paper suggests that the bipolar seesaw, that Svensmark calls “Antarctic anomaly”, has been “reactivated”, after the present interglacial maximum, some 4,000 years before present (BP).

  7. John F. Hultquist says:

    January of last year Laden tried to do a number on WUWT. It is interesting reading.

    This site finds fault also:

    Likewise, Tallbloke:

    I don’t know who this person is or why anyone cares.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Unfortunately he is an Haaaavard Graduate who has a loud mouth and also teaches.

      • Dmh says:

        Labels cannot be more important than substance.
        It’s up to *us* (humans, truth seekers … ) to change the values when they do not correspond to reality anymore.

      • Chuck L says:

        Harvard and most of the Ivies are not what they were since lefty loons assumed control. Give me a solid engineering school like Georgia Tech instead if real science is required. Full disclosure – I graduated from an Ivy and my son graduated form Georgia Tech.

  8. Sherlock says:

    Dr Ehrlich, we meet again, I rather expected to find you behind all this.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I am actually sorry for Greg Laden and Grant Foster, who do seem to have some pretence at adhering to science (unlike John Cook).

    They cannot see, for some reason, that the data shows that the climate is resilient and CO2 sensitivity is low – which simple logic and 4.456 My of Earthly paleodata shows must be the case.

    Why do they hitch themselves to this errant hypothesis? It isn’t happening. And since ECS is pretty clearly below 1 C/doubling based on the available empirical data, it cannot happen. We cannot bun enough fossil fuels to raise global temperature more than 2 C!

    What a waste of a life that they obsess with this crap.

    • Gail Combs says:

      What is really hysterical is this:

      The 21 June solar insolation @ 65◦ N for several glacial inceptions:

      Current values are insolation = 479 W m−2

      MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m−2,
      MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m−2,
      MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m−2,
      MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m−2,
      MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m−2,

      depth of the last ice age – 463 W m−2
      Holocene peak – 527 W m-2

      Now tell me again Al why I should worry about GoreBull Warming and agree to wipe out the technology that could see humans through a return to glacial state?

  10. Gail Combs says:

    What is really hysterically funny about all the ‘Sky is falling’ screaming by academics is they are not smart enough to connect dots.

    Cheap abundant energy (thanks coal) ====> the industrial revolution ===> increased in real wealth across all of society ====> 90% of farm families able to move to better paying city jobs as machinary takes over work done by hand ====> more tax revenue available ====> academic grants, salaries and pensions.

    Greg Laden and his pals are busy trying to kill the geese that lay the tax dollars that pay their salaries and pensions.

    To bad the idiots don’t have the brains to see that nor do they have the brains to see what happened to the intelligentsia in Russia after the ‘Revolution’ After all who wants proven traitors around challenging the new fragile government. Lenin certainly didn’t and neither did Pol Pot. – “Since he is of no use anymore, there is no gain if he lives and no loss if he dies.”

    …..Bolshevik policy toward its detractors, and particularly toward articulate, intellectual criticism, hardened considerably. Suppression of newspapers, initially described as a temporary measure, became a permanent policy…. In 1919, he began mass arrests of professors and scientists who had been Kadets, and deported Kadets, Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, and Nationalists. The Bolshevik leadership sought rapidly to purge Russia of past leaders in order to build the future on a clean slate.

    The disenchantment of the majority of intellectuals did not surprise Lenin, who saw the old Russian intelligentsia as a kind of rival to his “party of a new type,” which alone could bring revolutionary consciousness to the working class. In his view, artists generally served bourgeois interests, a notion that fueled the persecution of intellectuals throughout the Soviet period….

  11. gator69 says:

    Greg just needs a cell, padded or otherwise.

  12. Andy DC says:

    Every idiot knows that humanity cannot adapt to a half degree a century worth of “climate change.” We are DOOMED!!!

  13. ntesdorf says:

    Forty five years later and absolutely nothing of Ehrlich’s doom-laden forecasts have come true. If anything, the opposite is true. People can see these past forecasts of alarm have all failed and yet they still listen to, broadcast and believe in the grandchildren’s generation of doom-sayers. Yes, theyactually believe in these new replicas. Have they no functioning memory? Life on Earth can adapt to almost any new condition.

  14. Gail Combs says:

    Dmh says: @ March 18, 2014 at 5:20 am

    …. but what the paper of Tzedakis refers as “bipolar seesaw”….
    I was using the definition from a peer-reviewed paper in Geophysical Research Letters so I think that is what Tzedakis was referring to and not D/O events (called Bond events within the Holocene.)

    Twentieth century bipolar seesaw of the Arctic and Antarctic surface air temperatures APR 2010

    [1] Understanding the phase relationship between climate changes in the Arctic and Antarctic regions is essential for our understanding of the dynamics of the Earth’s climate system. In this paper we show that the 20th century de-trended Arctic and Antarctic temperatures vary in anti-phase seesaw pattern – when the Arctic warms the Antarctica cools and visa versa. This is the first time that a bi-polar seesaw pattern has been identified in the 20th century Arctic and Antarctic temperature records. The Arctic (Antarctic) de-trended temperatures are highly correlated (anti-correlated) with the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation (AMO) index suggesting the Atlantic Ocean as a possible link between the climate variability of the Arctic and Antarctic regions. Recent accelerated warming of the Arctic results from a positive reinforcement of the linear warming trend (due to an increasing concentration of greenhouse gases and other possible forcings) by the warming phase of the multidecadal climate variability (due to fluctuations of the Atlantic Ocean circulation).

    • Dmh says:

      Gail, this is my last comment on this.
      As I said before, I agree with you that the probable time of glacial inception for the Holocene is either “around the corner“ or has already happened (due to the solar max of the XX century following the LIA, etc.), but here are the paragraphs where I believe Tzedakis define bipolar seesaw as a millenium-scale phenomenon, as opposed to smaller oscillations within interglacials,

      … Thus, the fundamental concept underlying the terminology of an interglacial is that of the sea-level highstand, a measure of integrated global climate effects, which lead to the loss of continental ice. By extension, interglacial length is linked to the duration of the highstand, demarcated by deglaciation and glacial inception…

      Whereas pinpointing the start and end of the highstand in convolved sea-level proxy records is not straightforward an indication of the presence of ice sheets can be provided by the occurrence of interhemispheric millennial-scale climate variability. This requires ice sheets large enough to extend to coastlines and produce iceberg discharges that disrupt the meridional overturning circulation (MOC), leading to rapid cooling of the North Atlantic and gradual warming of Antarctica.
      This asynchronous phasing in temperatures can be explained by a bipolar-seesaw mechanism (Stocke and Johnsen, 2003), whereby changes in the strength of the MOC lead to changes in interhemispheric heat transport.

      … Given that the response of the MOC and the strength of the bipolar seesaw may be modulated by different boundary conditions (e.g. Green et al., 2010;Margari et al., 2010), it is conceivable that … an active bipolar seesaw might not indicate glacial conditions (false-positive)… freshwater fluxes can occur within an interglacial, but are unlikely to lead to a major disruption of the MOC when the system is in a “warm circulation mode” (Ganopolski and Rahmstorf, 2001); thus, the first major reactivation of the bipolar seesaw would probably constitute an indication that the transition to a glacial state had already taken place…

      … The onset of the current interglacial (Fig. 1) is placed at the end of the Younger Dryas stadial, representing an interruption of the deglaciation process, with glacial readvances in some regions and a reduction in the rate of sea-level rise (Bard et al., 2010). The Younger Dryas also represents the last significant bipolar-seesaw oscillation, when temperatures rose in Antarctica, while the North Atlantic cooled…

      and the following paper
      (Thompson “Sea-level oscillations during the last interglacial highstand recorded by Bahamas corals” Nature,2011)
      suggesting that the sea level conditions have remained relatively stable for many millennia, and therefore a major reactivation of the bipolar seesaw has not happened yet,

      … The Bahamian geochronology and stratigraphy indicate four resolvable units, supporting the four oscillations in sea level recorded in Red Sea core KL11(ref. 9) …
      Similar reef environments in the Bahamas are growing in approximately 3m of water, so this puts sea level at 4m at 123kyr, 6m at 119.2kyr and at 0m at some time in between. This yields a rate of 2.6m kyr−1 for Bahamas sea-level change … In any case, these rates of change persisted for at least 4,000 years in the midst of the LIG(last interglacial), resulting in metres of change and suggesting that LIG ice sheets were less stable than those in the Holocene, where eustatic sea level has remained relatively unchanged for most of the past 6,000 years[11].

      They also said that the glacial inception occurs ~ 3 kyears before the reactivation of the “seesaw”. I’m very interested on this subject because I believe we are in a period of rapid climate change but in the exact opposite direction of what the warmists say.

      • Gail Combs says:

        I also am very interested in this subject so thank you for pointing out my error.

        I found the Stocke and Johnsen paperA minimum thermodynamic model for the bipolar seesaw
        and yes they are talking of the 24 so-called Dansgaard/Oeschger events found during the last ice age (Wisconsin).

        I was under the impression that the more subdued ‘Bond events’ were the interstadial manifestation of the same phenomenon.

        A Pervasive Millennial-Scale Cycle in North Atlantic Holocene and Glacial Climates
        Evidence from North Atlantic deep sea cores reveals that abrupt shifts punctuated what is conventionally thought to have been a relatively stable Holocene climate. During each of these episodes, cool, ice-bearing waters from north of Iceland were advected as far south as the latitude of Britain. At about the same times, the atmospheric circulation above Greenland changed abruptly. Pacings of the Holocene events and of abrupt climate shifts during the last glaciation are statistically the same; together, they make up a series of climate shifts with a cyclicity close to 1470 ± 500 years. The Holocene events, therefore, appear to be the most recent manifestation of a pervasive millennial-scale climate cycle operating independently of the glacial-interglacial climate state. Amplification of the cycle during the last glaciation may have been linked to the North Atlantic’s thermohaline circulation.

        • Dmh says:

          You’re welcome Gail, I’m always learning new things with your posts.

          I also have the impression that the Bond cycles are a lesser manifestation of the D/O ones, probably due to less humidity and altered cloudiness during glacial periods in comparison with interglacials, enhancing the response of the climate system to solar forcing.
          I guess this could be the only real aspect by which CO2 can actually influence the climate, i. e. by decreasing humidity and accelerating the glacial inception at the end of the interglacials, as suggested by the following research,

          “As carbon dioxide levels have risen during the last 150 years, the density of pores that allow plants to breathe has dwindled by 34 percent, restricting the amount of water vapor the plants release to the atmosphere, report scientists…..“The increase in carbon dioxide by about 100 parts per million has had a profound effect on the number of stomata and, to a lesser extent, the size of the stomata,” … “Our analysis … suggests that a doubling of today’s carbon dioxide levels — from 390 parts per million to 800 ppm — will halve the amount of water lost to the air, concluding in the second paper that “plant adaptation to rising CO2 is currently altering the hydrological cycle and climate…”

          In this case CO2 would act as a coolant of the climate and a trigger of glacial periods! 🙂

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