Climate Experts Match Wits Vs. Corals

Climate experts tell us that 0.0001 mole fraction Mann-made CO2 is going to make corals extinct.

Ignoring their adherence to the global warming religion,  0nly a complete moron would believe this – because during warmer times the range of corals expands.  During the Silurian Era, global temperatures were 13C warmer, CO2 was 10X higher, and corals grew in Greenland.

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http://coral.aims.gov.au/info/reefs-palaezoic.jsp

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26 Responses to Climate Experts Match Wits Vs. Corals

  1. Morgan says:

    Ocean pH already varies from 7.93 to 8.2 in different parts of the world, and there is coral in all these places.

  2. QV says:

    There was a report about this on the BBC yesterday, by Roger Harrabin.
    Harrabin said that the global oceans were “expected” (predicted?), to be as acidic by the end of the century, as it is at the site near Papua & New Guinea where percolates into the sea from volcanic vents. I find that hard to believe.
    It didn’t help that the presenter on “Newsnight” referred to “Carbon Monoxide” when introducing the item.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26746039

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25

    • gator69 says:

      Oceans are alkaline, and will never be acidic.

      • QV says:

        Only repeating what was said on the programme. Term increased acidity rather than reduced alkalinity was used, I suspect because it sounds worse to the layman.
        I believe that pH values of 7.824 are predicted by 2100 compared to ~8.069 now but they didn’t say what the were around the volcanic vents.

        • gator69 says:

          Using the term “acidification” is fear mongering, and is meant to drive the lemmings off the cliff.

      • Morgan says:

        And they are buffered up the wazoo by sediment

        • Morgan says:

          OK now I am confused. The chart I linked to shows warmer waters of the world are more acidic. What is going on here?

        • gator69 says:

          Yes, massive beds of limestone buffer our oceans. Ocean acidification is one of the biggest lies in science.

        • Shazaam says:

          Despite the “alarming” false-color images on that chart. a pH of 7.95 at the minimum is in no way acidic. 7.00 is neutral, neither acid nor alkaline. Less than 7.00 is in the acidic territory.

          The chart title should read more alkaline and less alkaline.

        • Seawater pH decreases with increasing temperature, unrelated to CO2 solubility.

  3. Louis Hooffstetter says:

    All true. In fairness, I will note that Greenland was on the equator then.

    • So the massive CO2 and heat at the equator must have killed the corals.

    • What could possibly go wrong? says:

      On the equator of a world 13°C hotter than now.. Wonder what temperature and acidity the ocean near the equator had back then.

      • Morgan says:

        The acidity decreases with increased temperature as CO2 is driven into the atmosphere

        • Morgan says:

          Or maybe acidity not. I am confused.

        • Morgan says:

          Best I can figure, warm ocean water is less alkaline (more acidic) than cold ocean water because of increase in rate of decomposition of biomass, which would produce more CO2. One would think warm water would dissolve less CO2 than cold water, and one would think increase in photosynthesis in warm water would also take CO2 out, so it must be decomposition. That’s all I got.

        • Morgan says:

          Turns out that surface pH is much higher than deep ocean pH. Here is a paper, says deep ocean pH is typically 7.6 to 7.8.

          http://aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_13/issue_4/0688.pdf

          So these idiots who claim lowering surface pH from 8.15 to 8.14 will dissolve seashells are full of shizzle because mollusks already live where the pH is 7.6

  4. Latitude says:

    first you lie and have people believe that heat is the limiting factor for corals…
    then you can lie and tell them if it increases 1 degree they will all be gone

    …and that’s climate science

  5. John F. Hultquist says:

    Climate Experts Match Wits Vs. Corals
    If this isn’t the best title ever, it is in the top 5. Made me laugh.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    at Morgan and QV: at selected spots the ocean water pH is changed by introduced (spills, discharges, growth & decay of plants) chemicals – the World Ocean (note CAP letters) water is very well buffered so it hardly changes . . .
    . . . very much in the same sense as human blood
    http://www.brynmawr.edu/chemistry/Chem/Chem104lc/buffers.html

    Waters on land do have acidic properties (less than 7) and hard shelled creatures do very well therein.

  6. geran says:

    coffee and many colas have a pH around 4.0, well below neutral 7.0

  7. Gail Combs says:

    A good explanation of the chemistry of Ocean Buffering of CO2 is in :

    #7. Boost for the dogma – the evasion “buffer” factor in Carbon cycle modelling and the residence time of natural and anthropogenic atmospheric CO2: on the construction of the “Greenhouse Effect Global Warming” dogma. by Dr Tom V. Segalstad, Mineralogical-Geological Museum University of Oslo

    Caves are formed by acidic rain water percolating through the ground and dissolving the limestone. The water is so alkaline and full of dissolved CaCO3 it leaves your hands felling like all the oil has been leached out.

    Acidic water is actually good for the skin. Rinsing the hair and skin with lemon water or diluted vinegar restores the natural protection to the skin. – I worked as a chemist in personal care for a while.

    • gator69 says:

      Hey Gail! I have saved this quote, from a good cyber-buddy, because it puts “ocean acidification” to bed.

      “A solution of pH[1] has 100,000,000,000,000 times more hydrogen ions (acidity) than a solution of pH[14]. If I had a solution at pH of 8.5 the hydrogen ion content would be 3.2 x 10exp(-9) M. A 30% increase in hydrogen ion content is 4.2 x10exp(-9)M. Converting this to pH becomes… wait for this… 8.4!!!!! Yes you guessed it, nothing to write home about. It doesn’t sound half as threatening as 30% does it!?! Kinda’ makes a mockery of percentage with respect to pH, doesn’t it.

      chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryquickreview/a/phreview.htm

      Now I know I’m just an evil oil shill lackey, scientificly moronic, ununderstanding, conspiracy driven republican pontificating the tea party line… but… what percentage increase in acidity would be neccissary to lower the pH from 8.3 (start) to pure, neutral, distilled water? pH 7.0

      Want a hint? 2000%”
      -Red Jeff

      • Gail Combs says:

        Nice quote Gator,

        The seight of hand played by the Warmist is to do their testing in tanks of glass and steel with pure water and salt. The ocean and even fresh water bodies are not like that. They cantain all sorts of ….
        Think of the W. C. Fields quote: ” I never drink water Fish… in it!”

  8. Shazaam says:

    Corals win.

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