By 1935, The Scientific Consensus Had Determined That Mars’ Oceans Were Actually Tracts Of Vegetation

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30 Apr 1935 – Do The Martians Exist? LONDON, March 23.

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17 Responses to By 1935, The Scientific Consensus Had Determined That Mars’ Oceans Were Actually Tracts Of Vegetation

  1. Dave N says:

    “ only vegetation could do..”


    “we can’t think of anything else that would behave like that”

    Sounds strikingly familiar.

  2. tom0mason says:

    Yes what a time for science.
    Relying on the good character and judgment of the highly esteemed to decide what was worthy and what was not. Halcyon days of great men experimenting with eternal luminiferous aether, and working with phlogistan to bring us nature’s truths.

    Nothing like that today,eh?

  3. Robertv says:

    Wallace Thornhill: Reinterpreting the MAVEN Mission to Mars

    • Billy Liar says:

      He is not a very lucid speaker. He assumes his audience already know his theory. Too difficult to follow.

  4. gator69 says:

    Early climate model predictions, some things never change.

  5. darrylb says:

    Completely off subject-and something you all may already know, but I think you might find this interesting. I checked MN and CO senators-voted 4 for 4 to have us give our guns to the UN.

    HOORAY – a 53-46 vote

    The U.N. Resolution 2117 lists 21 points dealing with firearms control, but perhaps of most interest is point number 11. It: “CALLS FOR MEMBER STATES TO SUPPORT WEAPONS COLLECTION and DISARMAMENT of all UN countries”.

    By a 53-46 vote – The U.S. Senate voted against the U.N. resolution. HOORAY.

    This is that brief, glorious moment in history
    when everyone stands around…reloading.

    Now, Which 46 Senators Voted to Destroy Us? Well, let their names become known ! See below . If you vote in one of the states listed with these 46 “legis..traitors”… vote against them.

    Two Independents and the rest were DemoRats

    In a 53-46 vote, the Senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. The Statement of Purpose from the Senate Bill reads: “To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.” The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S. and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry, now get this, on all private guns and ammo.

    Astonishingly, 46 out of our 100 United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.

    Here are the 46 senators who voted to give your rights to the U.N.

    Baldwin (D-WI)

    Baucus (D-MT)

    Bennett (D-CO)

    Blumenthal (D-CT)

    Boxer (D-CA)

    Brown (D-OH)

    Cantwell (D-WA)

    Cardin (D-MD)

    Carper (D-DE)

    Casey (D-PA)

    Coons (D-DE)

    Cowan (D-MA)

    Durbin (D-IL)

    Feinstein (D-CA)

    Franken (D-MN)

    Gillibrand (D-NY)

    Harkin (D-IA)

    Hirono (D-HI)

    Johnson (D-SD)

    Kaine (D-VA)

    King (I-ME)

    Klobuchar (D-MN)

    Landrieu (D-LA)

    Leahy (D-VT)

    Levin (D-MI)

    McCaskill (D-MO)

    Menendez (D-NJ)

    Merkley (D-OR)

    Mikulski (D-MD)

    Murphy (D-CT)

    Murray (D-WA)

    Nelson (D-FL)

    Reed (D-RI)

    Reid (D-NV)

    Rockefeller (D-WV)

    Sanders (I-VT)

    Schatz (D-HI)

    Schumer (D-NY) carry’s a gun 24/7

    Shaheen (D-NH)

    Stabenow (D-MI)

    Udall (D-CO)

    Udall (D-NM)

    Warner (D-VA)

    Warren (D-MA)

    Whitehouse (D-RI)

    Wyden (D-OR)

    Folks: This needs to go viral. These Senators voted to let the UN take OUR guns. They need to lose their next election. We have been betrayed.

    46 Senators Voted to Give your 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to the U.N.

    Please send this to SOMEONE

  6. Andy Oz says:

    The majority consensus among Japanese is that whaling is fine. Greenpeace and climate alarmists must get behind the pro-whaling lobby in Japan. The whaling majority should have the same weight as the so called “climate expert majority”. Bloody whaling deniers!!!
    I don’t agree with whaling exactly the same as I don’t agree with CAGW. Both are money grubbing schemes dressed up in crap science.

  7. Can’t you find relevant science to support your position?

    • You don’t have any interest in science, as you are a religious true believer.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic 2010
      Miller et al
      Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research and Department of Geological Sciences, University of Colorado, USA et al

      …. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded

      A more recent paper looking at glaciers in Norway.

      A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier January 2012
      Kristian Vasskoga Øyvind Paaschec, Atle Nesjea, John F. Boyled, H.J.B. Birks

      …. A multi-proxy numerical analysis demonstrates that it is possible to distinguish a glacier component in the ~ 8000-yr-long record, based on distinct changes in grain size, geochemistry, and magnetic composition…. This signal is …independently tested through a mineral magnetic provenance analysis of catchment samples. Minimum glacier input is indicated between 6700–5700 cal yr BP, probably reflecting a situation when most glaciers in the catchment had melted away, whereas the highest glacier activity is observed around 600 and 200 cal yr BP. During the local Neoglacial interval (~ 4200 cal yr BP until present), five individual periods of significantly reduced glacier extent are identified at ~ 3400, 3000–2700, 2100–2000, 1700–1500, and ~ 900 cal yr BP….

      The authors of BOTH papers simply state that most glaciers likely didn’t exist 6,000 years ago, but the highest period of the glacial activity has been in the past 600 years. This is hardly surprising with ~9% less solar energy.

      Also Sea levels have FALLEN:

      Mid to late Holocene sea-level reconstruction of Southeast Vietnam using beachrock and beach-ridge deposits

      • Comprehensive mid to late Holocene sea-level record of South Vietnam
      • Mid-Holocene sea-level highstand position between + 1.4 and + 1.6 m, 6700–5000 years BP
      • Slight sea-level drop at an average rate of 0.25 mm/year after 5000 years BP

      Beachrocks, beach ridge, washover and backshore deposits along the tectonically stable south-eastern Vietnamese coast document Holocene sea level changes.… In combination with data from the final marine flooding phase of the incised Mekong River valley, the sea-level history of South Vietnam could be reconstructed for the last 8000 years. Connecting saltmarsh, mangrove and beachrock deposits the record covers the last phase of deglacial sea-level rise from − 5 to + 1.4 m between 8.1 to 6.4 ka. The rates of sea-level rise decreased sharply after the rapid early Holocene rise and stabilized at a rate of 4.5 mm/year between 8.0 and 6.9 ka. Southeast Vietnam beachrocks reveal that the mid-Holocene sea-level highstand slightly above + 1.4 m was reached between 6.7 and 5.0 ka, with a peak value close to + 1.5 m around 6.0 ka. This highstand is further limited by a backshore and beachridge deposit that marks the maximum springtide sea-level just below the base of the overlying beach ridge. After 5.0 ka sea level dropped below + 1.4 m and fell almost linearly at a rate of 0.24 mm/year until 0.63 ka and + 0.2 m as evidenced by the youngest beachrocks.

      In other words long term the solar insolation has fallen by 9% glaciers are re-establishing and the sealevel has fallen from the high point during the Holocene Optimum.

    • Gail Combs says:

      The IPCC actually said in the Science Report in TAR:

      “In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.’ – I 2001 section page 774

      A paper from 2007 “Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception” says

      Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003.]…

      A fall 2012 paper Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? ‘ says…

      …although it has been unclear whether the subdued current summer insolation minimum (479 W m−2 ), the lowest of the last 800 kyr, would be sufficient to lead to glaciation (e.g. Crucifix, 2011). Comparison with MIS 19c, a close astronomical analogue characterized by an equally weak summer insolation minimum (474 W m−2 ) and a smaller overall decrease from maximum summer solstice insolation values, suggests that glacial inception is possible despite the subdued insolation forcing, if CO2 concentrations were 240 ± 5 ppmv (Tzedakis et al., 2012). …..

      The paper gives the solar insolation and CO2 for termination of several interglacials. I extracted the 21 June solar insolation @ 65◦ N for several glacial inceptions:

      Current value for today is insolation = 479 W m−2,

      MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m−2,
      MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m−2,
      MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m−2,
      MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m−2,
      MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m−2,

      Are we headed into glaciation? Who the heck knows however the solar insolation is now low enough to support flipping the climate into glaciation and since 2005 no more papers have come out since Lisiecki and Raymo’s 2005 rebuttal of Loutre and Berger’s 2003 astronomical model.

      1. Onset of the Little Ice Age was right when the Holocene reached about half a precession cycle old.

      3. The Modern Warm Period coincides with the Grand Solar Maximum.

      Solar activity reaches new high
      Geophysicists in Finland and Germany have calculated that the Sun is more magnetically active now than it has been for over a 1000 years. Ilya Usoskin and colleagues at the University of Oulu and the Max-Planck Institute for Aeronomy say that their technique – which relies on a radioactive dating technique – is the first direct quantitative reconstruction of solar activity based on physical, rather than statistical, models (I G Usoskin et al. 2003 Phys. Rev. Lett. 91 211101)….

      And that solar activity is ceasing:

      …Note that several “predictions” of the general decline of the coming solar activity have been made recently (Solanki et al., 2004; Abreu et al., 2008; Lockwood et al., 2011), however, these are not really true predictions but rather the acknowledge of the fact that the Modern Grand maximum (Usoskin et al., 2003c; Solanki et al., 2004) must cease….
      A History of Solar Activity over Millennia

      Click to access 0810.3972.pdf

      3. Five of the 6 interglacials dating back to the Mid Pleistocene Transition have each lasted just half of a precessional cycle. The extended interglacial was MIS-11. Please do note, however, that MIS-11 was not all that stable a climate and it got awfully cold between MIS-11′s two insolation peaks.

      4. The climate can change very abruptly (thus supporting chaos theory model of climate) with the switch from the Wisconsin Ice age to the Holocene occurring in a couple of years.
      In his book, The Two-Mile Time Machine: Ice Cores, Abrupt Climate Change, and Our Future Richard Alley, one of the world’s leading climate researchers, tells the fascinating history of global climate changes as revealed by reading the annual rings of ice from cores drilled in Greenland. In the 1990s he and his colleagues made headlines with the discovery that the last ice age came to an abrupt end over a period of only three years….

      Aside from Loutre and Berger’s 2003 astronomical model, which was soundly trounced by Lisiecki and Raymo’s 2005 rebuttal, there has only been one well-accepted means of preventing glacial inception discussed in the literature: greenhouse gases. Can anyone suggest another means of delaying or preventing glacial inception except GHGs?

      This is the perspective. The summer solstice insulation minimum during MIS-11 at 65N was 489 Watt/m2 and it was 474 Watt/m2 in ~2005 (Lisiecki and Raymo, 2005). You need 15 Watt/m2 to get to the insolation minimum in MIS-11. I am not familiar with any CO2 estimates which correlate with a 15 Watt/m2 rise in atmospheric forcing.

      The only ‘Tipping Point’ available is towards glaciation and the timing is anytime now. Even if we do not go into glaciation it is going to be cold not warm. In other words the Warmists are just blowing smoke and the IPCC has completely ignored what geology is saying on the subject.

      • darrylb says:

        Gail, just happened to check back and saw your statements-Thanks- I think you should repost this again later. This is what some of us look for and you might consider WUWT
        or Climate etc

  8. Eric Simpson says:

    And maybe the missing Malaysian jetliner sunk into the seas of the moon. They need to get the pinger finder up there.

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