Don’t Be A Conspiracy Theorist!

I was listening to C-Span radio this morning, and there was a Democratic Congressman from New York complaining that the Iraq intelligence they were shown by the White House in 2002 was “all a big lie”

These are the same people who say that climate skeptics are conspiracy theorists – for not believing the fraudulent data orchestrated by the White House.

There is one big difference though – he voted for the Iraq invasion.

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22 Responses to Don’t Be A Conspiracy Theorist!

  1. William O. B'Livion says:

    Except he’s lying by claiming the intelligence was false.

    Most of what the Bush administration–and Clinton Administration claimed was true, just not as big a deal as the media had hyped it.

    Saddam had WMDs, mostly chemical artillery rounds, that he had declared after the first Gulf War that he could neither prove he’d destroyed, nor would he turn them over to inspectors. We later found 100s of these shells, often with residue gas in them.

    Someone *had* approached the Nigerian Government to feel them out about some off the books uranium transfers–this was what Joe wassisname reported to his CIA handlers. They didn’t *try* to buy any, they were just seeing if anyone was interested. Oh, and there *was* yellow cake uranium residue found at the reactor site the Israels bombed IN THE EARLY 80s.

    Saddam also had Nuclear, Biological and Chemical programs in suspended animation, Equipment was buried, and scientists were kept in close contact, but no active programs.

    Lots of equipment and material went missing. Some was suspected to have been shipped to syria.

  2. kuhnkat says:

    Out today:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/al-qaeda-in-iraq-seizes-saddams-wmd-facility/

    OOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPSIE!!! Obama been lyin’ along with the rest of the leftards!!

  3. Pathway says:

    Chinese, Russian, British, French and Israeli intellegence all believed there were WMD’s present in Iraq. US forces did find 500 tonns of yellow cake and centrefuges. The Use of Force legislation passed by House and Senate listed over 20 reasons to remove Saddam from power. President Clinton signed an Executive Order for resgime change in Iraq. It’s just that our anti-American press used the WMD meme to destroy American resolve and now Iraq is in the hands of the Islamo-nazis.

  4. B says:

    But let’s forget the source of all the technology and materials good olde buddy SH had. The U S of A federal government. And never mind the fact that SH had power because of US intelligence orgs. And we can go even further back to when Iraq was artificially created in the first place.

    One intervention begets another. With each intervention things become messier and more unstable.

    And that’s why we shouldn’t be conspiracy theorists, because conspiracy theorists start digging and turn up things we aren’t supposed to know or should have forgotten. We’re just supposed to consider today’s story for today and not look at it too closely. Just like with climate change. We’re not supposed to remember Hansen’s papers from decades ago or anything else. Just react emotionally to what they say today. For instance, today these same old chemical weapons are now in the hands of ISIS:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/did-saddam-have-wmds-after-all-isis-overruns-iraq-chemical-weapons-mega-facility

    Time to be afraid again. *yawn*

    • _Jim says:

      B says June 20, 2014 at 4:40 am
      But let’s forget the source of all the technology and materials good olde buddy SH had. The U S of A federal government.

      A bit of an oversimplification I think; to the best of my knowledge Iraq was flying Russian MiGs, not General Dynamics F-16s …

      Oil money allows one to buy from anybody.
      .

  5. tom0mason says:

    I believe the WH is a conspiracy, a conspiracy of stupidity.
    Unlike the UN which is, in the main, a conspiracy of the malevolent.

  6. methylamine says:

    The definition of “conspiracy theorist” today is:
    Not believing known, confirmed liars.

  7. Never forget the conspiracy theory the AGWers subscribe to, that skeptics are paid big bucks to knowingly lie to the public. Challenge any AGWer to back up the accusation with actual evidence, and the backflips they do to concoct convincing stuff and/or change the subject is breathtaking, in the same league as any other wacko conspiracy believers out there.

  8. Justin says:

    The idiots that throw the term “conspiracy theorist” around are usually either brainwashed and/or just mentally weak.

  9. catweazle666 says:

    So there were no WMDs in Iraq, and no evidence that SH was planning to build a nuclear weapon – or so we’ve been told.

    How about the 550 tons of yellowcake uranium secretly shipped from Iraq to Canada?

    The United States secretly shipped out of Iraq more than 500 tons of low-grade uranium dating back to the Saddam Hussein era, the Pentagon said Monday.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

    Or Google “iraq canada uranium”.

    As for the rest of the technology, this is what happened to it after it was shipped to Syria:

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/17/120917fa_fact_makovsky

    And how about this news report – from yesterday’s Telegraph?

    The jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday, gaining access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10913275/Isis-storms-Saddam-era-chemical-weapons-complex-in-Iraq.html

    Interestingly, few are aware of the source of the chemical precursors for SH’s chemical weapons was not Rumsfeld and the USA , it was Holland and that the individual who drew the short straw and carried the can, Frans van Anraat, was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment at the Hague for crimes against humanity,

    http://www.trial-ch.org/en/ressources/trial-watch/trial-watch/profils/profile/286/action/show/controller/Profile.html

    And how many are aware of this?

    The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq. It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

    Here is the full text:

    Click to access PLAW-105publ338.pdf

    It’s amazing how much stuff that every knows is just flat out wrong, isn’t it?

    • Khwarizmi says:

      “Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets.
      Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul,
      and Shi’ite areas in the south
      will separate from
      the Sunni
      and Kurdish north. ”
      – Oded Yinon, Kivunum, World Zionist Organisation, 1982

      Op-Ed: The Three-State Solution
      November 25, 2003
      New York Times
      Leslie H. Gelb, President Emeritus and Board Senior Fellow Council of Foreign Relations
      […] “The only viable strategy, then, may be to correct the historical defect and move in stages toward a three-state solution:
      Kurds in the north,
      Sunnis in the center
      and Shiites in the south.”
      http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=6559

      Biden: I am a Zionist

      Biden: Split Iraq Into 3 Different Regions
      Sen. Joseph Biden Proposes Partitioning Iraq Into Kurdish, Shiite and Sunni Regions
      http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-01-biden-iraq_x.htm

      “The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason,” [Paul] Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-05-30-wolfowitz-iraq_x.htm

      And the objective of this lesson is for you to comprehend psychological operations…

      • _Jim says:

        re: Khwarizmi June 20, 2014 at 11:55 pm
        “Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets.
        … In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi’ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. ”
        – Oded Yinon, Kivunum, World Zionist Organisation, 1982
        – – – – –
        Okay, smart guy, how long are they prepared to wait? If the Israel is ‘so good’ and organized in this, what is the timeline? Or is this like an IPCC ‘projection’ 50 to 100 years into the future (and thereby virtually worthless)?

        .

      • _Jim says:

        re: Khwarizmi June 20, 2014 at 11:55 pm
        “Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets.
        … In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi’ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. ”
        – Oded Yinon, Kivunum, World Zionist Organisation, 1982

        – – – – –
        Okay, smart guy, how long are they prepared to wait? If the Israel is ‘so good’ and organized in this, what is the timeline? Or is this like an IPCC ‘projection’ 50 to 100 years into the future (and thereby virtually worthless)?

        .

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