“Americans Won’t Give Up Their Freedom And Prosperity – Unless They Are Frightened Into It”

Great quotes at ICCC from California Congressman Dana Rohrback

 “Americans Won’t Give Up Their Freedom And Prosperity – Unless They Are Frightened Into It”

“If we stand firm and hold for truth, we will win this battle”

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34 Responses to “Americans Won’t Give Up Their Freedom And Prosperity – Unless They Are Frightened Into It”

  1. Climatism says:

    “The only way to get our society to truly change is to
    frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
    – emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

    • Eric Simpson says:

      “Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” -Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC
      “We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing.” -leftist Senator Tim Wirth, 1993
      “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” -Paul Watson, Greenpeace
      “We have to offer up scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest.” -Stephen Schneider, lead ipcc author, 1989
      “[Inaction will cause]… by the turn of the century [2000], an ecological catastrophe which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust.” -Mustafa Tolba, 1982, former Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Program [one of countless “scary scenarios” that were just totally outrageously off the mark, but today, like a broken record, it never ends, it’s just more of the same from the fear mongering doomsayers]

    • The leaders of global warming alarmism are no fools; they have well-defined objectives and they are formidable masters of practical politics. Skeptics must remember that they’ve joined a fight already in progress and can’t change the dirty nature of the conflict.

      The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

      H. L. Mencken
      In Defense of Women (1918)

      • Gail Combs says:

        The nice thing is we now have the internet and access to history we never would otherwise see. This makes the propaganda and scare mongering a lot less effective especially among the older folks who are a lot less trusting. Now we just have to communicate it to the younger set.

  2. Truthseeker says:

    Steven,

    I can see that you are a member of panel 9 on Tuesday 2;45pm, but I cannot see you on any panel on Wednesday. May I suggest that panel 15 on Wednesday 10am about the reliability of the temperature record is the one you can add the most value to.

    • Brad says:

      I was a bit perplexed by that as well.

    • Ernest Bush says:

      What I noticed is that Anthony Watts was absent from panel 9 after being on an earlier schedule. It is obvious there was an attempt to avoid a possible confrontation with a last minute substitute. There was no chance that the organizers were going to place them together on panel 15. This puzzled me since there were friendly disagreements on a couple of panels I attended. It was after all, a science conference.

      I saw Anthony Watts in a hallway engaged in an amiable argument with two young men over some point or other. IMO Heartland needs to focus on getting more of the younger crowd at these conferences other than the few dozen protesting outside.

  3. El Duderino says:

    “If we stand firm and hold for truth, we will win this battle”

    I wish I was so sure. Just have a look through the comments here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=850760 I don’t think we have a hope of making people like these see sense, especially considering how gleefully the greet the silencing of dissent.

    • B says:

      Thousands of years have passed and the few rule the many using the same basic technique:
      1) Create a fear. Usually this centers around climate/weather/natural world issues. It can be other things, but climate/weather/astronomy are the classics.
      2) Employ an intellectual class to support this fear and that through obedience and sacrifice the people may prevent the worst. Just because these people call themselves scientists today instead of priests matters not, they serve the same purpose and are willing participants because they get to live better as a result.
      3) Create social myths that support this system such that those who don’t believe are silenced by the masses and the masses cheer the rulers punishing those who speak out. At the very least create social isolation for those who don’t believe as the rest.

      This is how man kind has been ruled for thousands of years. How power is concentrated and how people give up their wealth. The biggest sociopaths go as far as demanding human sacrifice. It seems that these people get their jollies by just how far they can push the scam.

      • _Jim says:

        re: B July 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
        Thousands of years have passed and the few rule the many using the same basic technique:

        Mostly, the ‘many’ look to a few for supreme guidance; witness the idiots in the press attempting to resurrect that has-been Hillary!, with a back-up plan to run that high-cheek-boned Cherokee woman Elizabeth Warren (who should scare the hell out of ANY male college student taking any of her classes in years back).

        I have relatives looking forward to Hillary! getting her chance. The brain dead just beg for leadership and a ‘savior’. George Washington (for Pete’s sake) was offered the ‘kingship’ of this country early on!!!!!

        • B says:

          I get what you’re saying and I’ve experienced it where people looked to me to lead them, but how much is nature and how much is conditioning? When people only know kings they aim to replace one king with another. It’s why people move away from somewhere only to re-create what they moved to get away from.

          Sure they look to me led out of their laziness, but there’s two basic problems with this. It requires competence or illusion there of and someone else can come along and be the new leader. It can be undermined by a few people asking the uncomfortable question: ‘why are we following this asshole?’. It needs more. Conditioning, dependence, fear, boogiemen….

          The natural leader, one chosen voluntarily just isn’t enough to get where government ends up. Sure this desire is exploited but it’s only a small part IMO because if it were the primary thing we wouldn’t need government schools, social myths, things to fear, created dependence, etc and so on.

  4. Joseph says:

    Is it possible for someone to record the panel Tony is on? I won’t be able to watch it tomorrow.

  5. Robertv says:

    Patriot Act

    You already gave it away.

    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/07/07/new-tsa-security-could-cause-air-travel-confusion/
    (just one of the many many many )

    The only terrorism that exist is State terrorism and climate change skeptics.

  6. Robertv says:

    It looks like Congressman Dana Rohrback did not read it.

  7. Robertv says:

    On December 23, 1913 ‘We The People’ gave their freedom away.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

    He who controls the money supply controls the country and it is not Congress.

    • Robertv says:

      The U.S. Congress established three key objectives for monetary policy in the Federal Reserve Act: Maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.

      • Jason Calley says:

        I guess most of us have noticed by now how well those goals are being met…

      • _Jim says:

        re: Robertv July 8, 2014 at 8:01 am
        The U.S. Congress established three key objectives for monetary policy in the Federal Reserve Act: Maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.

        Change that to read:
        The U.S. Congress established three key objectives for monetary policy in the Federal Reserve Act: Everybody eats regardless of whether they work, everybody gets shelter regardless of whether they work, and everybody gets an Obamaphone to access their Twitter and FB accounts. IOW, ‘bread and circuses’ for all …

        Time was, even under FDR’s regime that people WORKED even at make-work ‘projects’ under the PWA or WPA before they stepped into the chow line of slept under the cover of a government-provided tent …

        .

      • B says:

        That sort of thing came decades down the road.
        http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section2a.htm
        [12 USC 225a. As added by act of November 16, 1977 (91 Stat. 1387) and amended by acts of October 27, 1978 (92 Stat. 1897); Aug. 23, 1988 (102 Stat. 1375); and Dec. 27, 2000 (114 Stat. 3028).]

  8. omanuel says:

    FEAR is an evil and corroding thread.

    It caused world leaders and puppet scientists to deceive the public after WWII.

    It causes the public to secretly prepare for society’s collapse, unwilling to risk today’s fleeting comfort to confront obvious official falsehoods.

    Here’s a 2-page summary of CHAOS and FEAR that got us into this mess:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/CHAOS_and_FEAR_August_1945.pdf

    Here is official BBC News confirmation of the CHAOS and FEAR that changed the course of world history, fifty-seven years later:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2170881.stm

    • omanuel says:

      The best thing we can do for society now is to publicly admit:

      1. World leaders had good reason to fear that Earth might be annihilated by uncontrolled release of nuclear energy in August 1945.

      2. They are not at fault for deceiving the public in order to save the world. We might have made the same decision ourselves, if we had been in their position.

      3. We are at fault for blindly believing and endorsing Standard Models that violate common sense: Eg., consensus models of the internal composition of the Sun and other ordinary stars suddenly changed from iron (Fe) in 1945 to hydrogen (H) in 1946, with no discussion or debate!

      4. Society’s many benefits from the United Nations have now more than been cancelled out by the UN’s ill-conceived totalitarian control over science and elimination of national limits on governments.

      • omanuel says:

        If anyone doubts the fairy-tale foundation of SSM (like that of AGW), let them read the bottom of page 153 and the top of page 154 from the 1994 autobiography [1] of the fairy-tale author, Sir Fred Hoyle. Describing a meeting with Sir Arthur Eddington in 1940 that ended when Eddington uttered: “My tea,” he said, and was gone all in a moment behind the door into the forbidden wing beyond, exactly like a character in Alice in Wonderland.” [Reference 1, p. 153]

        1. “We both believed that the Sun was made mostly of iron, two parts iron to one
        part of hydrogen, more or less. The spectrum of sunlight, chock-a-block with
        lines of iron, had made this belief seem natural to astronomers for more than
        fifty years.
        . . . [Reference 1, p. 153],

        2. “The high-iron solution continued to reign supreme in the interim (at any rate,
        in the astronomical circles to which I was privy) until after the Second World
        War,” . . .

        3. “when I was able to show, to my surprise, that the high-hydrogen, low iron
        solution was to be preferred for the interiors as well as for the atmospheres.”
        [Reference 1, pp. 153-154]

        4. “My paper on the matter confounded a doctrine of (Raymond) Lyttleton, who
        used to say there are three stages in the acceptance by the world of a new idea.

        _ a. The idea is nonsense.
        _ b. Somebody thought of it before you did.
        _ c. We believed it all the time.

        This matter of the high-hydrogen solution was the only occasion, in my experience, when
        the first and second of these stages were missing.”
        [Reference 1, p. 154].

        1. Fred Hoyle, Home Is Where the Wind Blows: Chapters from a Cosmologist’s Life (University Science Books, 441 pages, published on April 1, 1994): http://www.amazon.com/Home-Where-Wind-Blows-Cosmologists/dp/093570227X

  9. _Jim says:

    Life has become too easy for many. The ‘threat’ of failure never looms large enough to be a motivator for most people, whereas 100 years ago ‘no work’ meant “no eat”.

    .

  10. _Jim says:

    … and even now, people can’t be bothered to get their own state legislatures ‘off their duffs’ and consider the provisions under Article V (five) of the US Constitution in order to ‘rectify’ some of the systemic issues we find ourselves confronted with, as with EPA regs and even some Supreme Court judgments; yes, changes via fully lawful means could be incorporated via relatively small amendment changes in order to reinstate legitimate state’s rights.

    Most ppl find it’s more fun to just complain though. Making real changes is hard. Like math is hard. Trust Barbie on that one.

    .

    • Robertv says:

      The american system was the cheapest way to conquer a continent. Now the conquer part is over and most of the power is in the hands of a few super rich the american system is no longer needed.
      At least that is what they think. That is why the eugenic thinkers can be found in that camp. ‘We The People’ became useless eaters.

      • _Jim says:

        re: Robertv July 8, 2014 at 1:58 pm
        The american system was the cheapest way to conquer a continent. …

        Do you want to contrast that with what the Spanish did? (Never mind a little thing like the Revolutionary War which took place with the goal of being independent from the mother country.) The Spaniards hauled off an AWFUL lot of gold from the ‘new world’ …

        Spanish conquest of the americas

        You know, we ‘bought and paid for’ some of these ‘territories’, too.

        Or, contrast against the method the Romans used?

        You also realize, Robertv the English were not the first into the new world, do not forget that the French were here too, before the English ‘swept in’ …

        .

        • Jason Calley says:

          Yes, people forget the French. In fact the French had the first European settlement in what is now the U.S., not only before the English, but even before the Spanish.

      • Or, contrast against the method the Romans used?

        Or, contrast against the method the Aztecs used? Or contrast that with the methods North American tribes used against each other?

        Yes, Jim, this ahistorical “American conquest” meme is utter nonsense.

        Robertv: The “American system” was the best way of self-governance the Founders could conceive given their understanding of human nature. They were also very aware of the dangers inherent in any government instituted by man.

        It had nothing to do with “conquering the continent”. That’s leftist bull.

  11. Justa Joe says:

    The warmista are basically the communists of the 21st century. They pose just as great a threat to humanity.

  12. Robertv says:

    Territory conquered by the Spanish the French or the British became land belonging to the crown of those countries with all its benefits but also with all its costs. Once you became Americans the land belonged to We The People and no king or government COULD tell you what to do on your property.

    How everything has changed. Long live King Barack the teleprompter reading puppet.

  13. Truthseeker says:

    Tony,

    I caught the end of your Heartland presentation and it seemed to go well.

    You do not look anything like the picture of you on the banner of this website (I am assuming you are the one on the left …).

  14. omanuel says:

    Regretfully all of humanity – worldwide – lost the Second World War:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Humanity_Lost_WWII.pdf

    False intellectual pride of the scientific community prevented us from seeing that loss of humility is the problem and restoration of humility is the obvious solution to humanity’s current spiritual, political and intellectual demise !

    Standard Solar Models, Watergate, Fusion Reactors, Climategate, Big Bang, Dark Energy, Oscillating Solar Neutrinos, AGW, etc are all but manifestations of the one, same problem:

    Loss of humility; Loss of spiritual connection with the God of our own understanding.

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