Even the Guardian has finally admitted that global warming has stopped
Research shows surprise global warming ‘hiatus’ could have been forecast
Australian and US climate experts say with new ocean-based modelling tools, the early 2000s warming slowdown was foreseeable
So why is President Obama lying about this?
we do know is the temperature around the globe is increasing faster than was predicted even 10 years ago.
– Barack Obama 2012
Scooter knows the US population was stupid enough to vote for him and so why worry about truth or details 😉 … he simply plays to his fan base.
As the 9-11-2014 date approaches, some members of the public are starting to connect other historical events to late Nov 2009 (Climategate)
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/09/10/giant-video-billboard-wtc7′s-destruction-placed-times-square-911-anniversary/
OK conspiracy nut, let’s break this down:
1) George Bush decides he wants to go to war with Iraq because he badly wants their oil.
2) He tells Cheney to come up with a plan.
3) Cheney says, “Hey George, let’s blow up the World Trade Centre, the Pentagon and the White House!”
4) George says, “Great idea!” How about we knock down Building 7 too, you know, where all the evidence about the Illuminati is stored.
5) Hundreds if not thousands of people get involved to set this up.
6) Nobody talks.
7) Bush wins the war in Iraq and then absent-mindedly forgets to steal the oil.
8) Riiight, it all makes perfect sense.
(Borrowed from Bill in Idaho. I hope he won’t mind.)
They made trillions on haliburton, and the other government contractors.
That is exactly what the turnip wants us to believe about Obama and his birthplace. As I have said, it is possible, but highly improbable.
It’s “settled science”.
Obama aka laughingstock-in-chief said so, and all his staff and campaign contributors agree with him.
Odd, how many excuses and new theories are needed to “support” and “explain” such a “settled science”…..
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The flat earth society is having wind energy issues as well: http://www.insidesources.com/big-winds-last-gasp/
“The industry blames Congress and the uncertainty surrounding the PTC for the slowdown, …”
which tells the tale. It’s all about subsidy farming and nothing to do with effective power generation.
so they jiggled with their models to make them hindcast the stop the global warming….
…so now they can claim they could have predicted it
where have we seen that before
Tell me again why we keep empowering these asswipes
Exactly! It’s a new model, just like the old model: fiddle and fudge with the data long enough, and they can tell whatever story is politically expedient…
“so they jiggled with their models to make them hindcast the stop the global warming….
…so now they can claim they could have predicted it”
Ha! You beat me to it! Allow me to make a real prediction, and not a “post-diction.” Within a year they will be pointing to their new model and claiming that in fact, they DID predict it. “See?! Our model shows it right there!”
that WAS a rhetorical question, right? I mean it’s common knowledge among folks with IQ’s above room temperature that President Runamok suffers from a conjunction of Tourette Syndrome and Pseudologia Fantastica which together cause him to constantly blurt out world class lies.
The morally bereft and blacks are so enthralled by King Putt they are deaf to his errors.
The real question is not why there is not outcry from the general public. The question is why knowledgeable people allow these statements to stand. This is a condemnation of the politicians and scientists leading the Warmist movement. It is a condemnation of the complicit media.
Statements like this, or like Al Gore’s gem “the science is settled”, or the whole “science by consensus” propaganda are a direct attack on science, the scientific method, and public confidence in scientific ethics. Every scientist should loudly reject and condemn them.
Allowing politicians to masquerade as experts while intermingling outright lies or anti-science propaganda makes people in the public think that science is just another political tool.
I think that one reason for the steady decline in union membership is due to the shift from unions being primarily labor advocacy organizations into entities that are now clearly political advocacy organizations. If scientists allow science to be bastardized into a political agenda like this, the public will lose confidence and lose interest in supporting science in the future.
What do you mean ” makes people in the public think that science is just another political tool.”
By now it should be evident to anyone with two brain cells that Science IS a political tool. It is the fig leaf that criminal bureaucracies like the EPA, FDA and USDA hide behind.
US scientists significantly more likely to publish fake research, study finds
The EPA is criminal. It tested people without their consent to high levels of particulates in an attempt to sicken them. They so badly want to control every one that make up all kinds of crap statistics, I just despise the EPA, The FDA and the USDA are right behind the EPA. We should just get rid of all three agencies and look at the overlap in the Park Service, Forest Service, BLM, Division of Wildlife and others that escape me right now.
You are completely FOS. Go back to your cave. (And take all your idiotic postings with you.)
Is DNA all fake? How about mRNA – is that all a scam? How about the Big Bang? Was Fermat’s Theorem not really proved? Does Quicksort really run in n-squared time? Does P = NP?
How does it feel to be the Robert Welch of the skeptical camp?
I’m confused, rw. What are you talking about?
I think I was confused more than you. I looked it up to be sure, my screen froze and left me stuck for 3 minutes on the first definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FOS
The “Big Bang” remains a theory, dimwit. Look at the food pyramid as a modern day example of “Accepted Wisdom” that was actually FOS.
rw says:
You are completely FOS. Go back to your cave…..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WOW, must of touched a nerve. No doubt another useless academic scared out of his pants that some one will cut his funding to study how many unicorn farts it takes to fuel the EPA’s new 54.5-mile-per-gallon standards mean [tinfoil] cars.
Ugh, we’re talking about total shit like this:
Check out the link in the 5th paragraph… another garbage study which conflates Global Warming to everything bad..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/06/climate-change-children-health-nature-outdoors_n_5761906.html?utm_hp_ref=climate-change
Science in the US is primarily funded through public money, and completely depends on ongoing public trust. Frankly, I don’t think scientific misconduct really factors into it. I could probably count the number of high profile retractions that influenced public policy on one hand. Vaccines and Autism, Reinhart And Rogoff’s Excel blunder, etc. As far as I know, even Mann’s hockey stick was never officially retracted. Yes, public support relies on a perception of scientific ethics, but I don’t feel like most people think scientists are experimental fraudsters.
In my mind, the bigger problem is the threat of perceived partiality or bias. Scientists should have very little to do with policy. They should be the impartial providers of data and expert analysis. If they become political advocates, or allow politicians to lie about the data they provide without rebuttal, they are no longer perceived as being impartial, which ultimately feeds back into a different type of ethics.
It doesn’t matter how much expertise or specialized knowledge you have, if you are perceived to be biased then public confidence crumbles. I think most people trust their physicians to provide impartial medical advice and treatment. If they are a major shareholder in a Biotech startup and start asking patients to try out experimental treatments, people would rightly question the motives and impartiality of an otherwise highly trained and experienced medical expert. We have gobs of regulations in place to prevent these kinds of financial conflicts of interest in those we vest public confidence in. If people start seeing scientists as cheerleaders for one side, or biased by a political agenda or party loyalty, I wouldn’t blame them if they decide to take their public investment elsewhere.
” I think most people trust their physicians to provide impartial medical advice and treatment. “….
Unfortunately pharmaceutical companies exert considerable influence over medical schools and research and fraud is becoming a major problem.
As drug industry’s influence over research grows, so does the potential for bias …the most prestigious medical journal in the world, the New England Journal of Medicine regularly features articles over which pharmaceutical companies and their employees can exert significant influence.
The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline
Isaac Asimov, 1948
One of my favourites and I actually believed it at the time I was about 10 or so. thanks for the memory.
Best SF gag of all time!
I’m sorry, but the question “Why Are You Lying To Us” is about as dumb as it gets. If you don’t know why he is constantly lying to you by now, then I suggest you abstain from voting.
P.S. This is just a generalized comment, not specifically directed at anyone, just everyone in general.
+1
“Research shows surprise global warming ‘hiatus’ could have been forecast
Australian and US climate experts say with new ocean-based modelling tools, the early 2000s warming slowdown was foreseeable”
Predicting what’s already happened again.
“Even the Guardian has finally admitted that global warming has stopped”
But they’re doing so in an affirmative to Trenberth’s the-heat-went-scuba-diving BS:
“Studies have shown global warming had not stalled but was occurring in the deeper layers of the world’s oceans instead of the surface, he said, which were absorbing the heat and obscuring levels of warming. In other words the “pause” was actually a slight slowing of the rate of increase in surface temperatures, with 93% of the extra heat trapped in the oceans.”
The Guardian trades one set of lies for another.
Obama is a pathological liar.
more bollocks. Try and be free thinking and don’t be narrow minded due to inheld beliefs .
If someone asked you to prove it you don’t even have the intelligence to do so.
Empty bottles make most noise.
Andy
Oh sure, sure! We all tell little white lies now and then!
(Just kidding, in case it was not clear.)
Wow. Yes you covered just about all of them.
@annieoakley,
Actually, no, sadly, this isn’t even half of them.
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@ Ed Martin 127)
Yes, the “plausibly deniable F.U.” That is a fairly popular signal among politicians. Anyone who points it out is told that they are imagining insults that are not real. Is it even possible to believe that we still have mature adults in control of the conventional and nuclear arsenal?
nothing empty about that bottle !
No, Jason, it’s not conceivable that adults are in charge. That reminds me of an interesting read about them spending $350 billion more on our nuclear arsenal. Other countries are jumping into this new nuclear arms race too.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/08/a-new-generation-of-nuclear-subs/
After listening to five years of excuses since Climategate emails surfaced in Nov 2009 , it’s the end of the world as we knew it, and we don’t feel fine.
Is that all?
@ Ed Martin
Did you happen to see this tidbit that was going around last year?
http://www.geek.com/news/for-20-years-us-nuke-launch-code-was-00000000-and-it-wasnt-a-secret-1578930/
Geez James – ask Steven to promote that to a full article! It is too good to be just a comment.
@ Jason
Thanks, don’t believe I saw that. Will look at it again tonight. Left shivering Egan, Minnesota a while ago heading south.
Nowadays, these wack job governments are all into money laundering, mafia organized crime and drug trafficking.
Last time I tried to vote for Virgil Goode and couldn’t because he wasn’t on the ballot so I just wrote ‘none of you sonsabitches’ and dropped it in the box.
NASA wants to ship a bunch of Islamists to the Red Planet….
You know—- “Marslims”… :}
in that case Andy, it must be very noisy in your head
Obama only knows lying. He lied about health care. He lied about his birthplace. he lied about taxes. Even when it does not matter, he lies because he knows nothing else!
His lying is an example of his pathological inability to take responsibility for his actions, his self delusion.
The Guardian may have mentioned the ‘hiatus’ through gritted teeth, but go BTL to see its acolytes still desperately hanging onto the ‘missing heat is in the ocean’ bullshit. They will never admit the failure of their religion, not even when it’s staring them straight in the face. Astonishing, really.
He’s not lying, he’s just going on information given at the time.
He must have about 100 things to think about considering the problems with foreign events at the moment which have just taken over from problems with the economic mess Bush left him. So he has 12.313 minutes per day to think about the environmen
Phil Jourdan you do realise you are lying in effect with your biased claims?
😉
Andy
Hey Andy, wake up, pull your head out of your ass and quit being a useful idiot you tool!
What information given to him? Every single crisis that’s happened on his watch he “didn’t know about until I saw it on TV.” Your statement should have been “He’s not lying, he just forgot to change the channel. He’s still watching the Cartoon Network.”
You forgot the /sarc
Didn’t you?
DIDN’T YOU?
What the heck do you think Presidents have advisors and a Cabinet for? How in Heck do you think the other 43 presidents managed to lead this country.
What you are actually saying is he is an incapable of leading this country or even picking the right people to help him lead it. Actually he is to darn LAZY to even try and do the job.
Or maybe this type of person has already been identified –
Samuel Adams: Letter to John Pitts, January 21, 1776
Nobel peace prize winners get a free pass on starting new wars……
Didn’t you get the memo??
Droning the innocent is now an acceptable tactic for Nobel peace prize winners…..
Bias is not lying. We know from the turnip, that Obama claimed to be born in Kenya, before he claimed to be born in Hawaii (so he is lying one or the other time). We know you cannot keep your doctor, so he lied then. We know you cannot keep your plan, so he lied there. We know that he raised the taxes on the middle income and poor, so he lied there.
SO I have not lied. You now have the documented cases of him lying. Your ignorance is not my lying.
” the economic mess Bush left him”
oh puhleeeeze! The mortgage meltdown was a Dimocrat designed and executed stupidity that President Bush and a bi-partisan group tried 14 times to stop or at least ameliorate before the crash. The CRA and add-ons was a purely Dimocrat project over several Presidencies.
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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. – Daniel Patrick Moynihan
1. Clinton signed all five banking laws that gave us Foreclosuregate.
2. Clinton urged Congress to ratify the World Trade Organization that exported, five million U.S. manufacturing jobs – one out of every four lost. The WTO forbids the import duties that protect domestic jobs so US workers are now competing directly with Chines workers earning wages from lowest of $1.03 to highest of $1.66/hr.
3. Clinton took Chinese bribes and then not only worked to get China admitted to the WTO but turned around and gave not only US technology but US MILITARY technology to China.
+10
New Model Announced/ It has 20/20 hindsight. Can predict the past with astonishing accuracy.
actually Stephen it can’t. If you are familiar with the ‘predict the past’ test of data models every one of these warmist models fails miserably.
I want to see the HARRY_READ_ME.txt for this latest modeling exploit.
Will it accurately describe the process of climate hindcasting like in the CRU case?
http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/HARRY_READ_ME.txt
Andy says:
September 9, 2014 at 6:11 pm
He’s not lying, he’s just going on information given at the time.
He must have about 100 things to think about considering the problems with foreign events
And when he will be able to get in his 200th round of golf.
Are you mad?
Andy says:
September 9, 2014 at 6:12 pm
It would help the rest of us plebs if you could write english. Do you need help ?
Is he capable?
I sent a similar QUESTION to staff members of the Congressional Space Science & Technology Committee last year:
Click to access WHY.pdf
There was no reply, although this Committee of the US House of Representatives contains more Republicans than Democrats. The lack of a response suggests that both political parties have been involved in deception of the public for decades.
I suspect that they are trapped like rats on a sinking ship and do not know how to escape.
For the sake of everyone involved, we need to identify and offer a safe way for world leaders and their armies of puppet “scientists” to restore integrity to government science without fear of retaliation.
Knowing the truth is a form of power. Sociopaths who have an addiction to power will never share the truth, for the same reason that crack addicts will not give away their crack.
I am certain those statements were made by the president in 2013.
“Dear Mr. President, Why Are You Lying To Us?” Answer: Because that’s what I do. That’s what I am, and have been my whole life. I say it’s about what others want and need when it’s really all about me and what I want. I guess you figured out by now that I will lie straight to your face and when backed into a corner I know there is always someone or something else to blame. But it doesn’t matter not if you or even all 300,000,000 of you Americans think now does it? I mean after all, I’m on my second term and free to do what ever I want with no consequences for me. Nope, being the first person to be declared a black president sure has it’s advantages.
“Research shows surprise global warming ‘hiatus’ could have been forecast
Australian and US climate experts say with new ocean-based modelling tools, the early 2000s warming slowdown was foreseeable”
But but you told us you have it all figured out! You told us that temperature must go up with the deadly C02! Then for years you told us that your models were working just fine and there was not “hiatus”.
Now your telling us there IS a “hiatus” and admitting that your models didn’t predict it.
More than the president is lying here and will not be held accountable for past statements.
“the science is settled”, or something like that
Email I sent today:
IPCC Models Work!
To all my alarmist friends, I have an admission to make. The IPCC climate models do work, after all! The only trick is, you have to go back in time and adjust them until they show current reality. Then the multimillion dollar computer models will accurately reflect the same data currently being collected from satellites and weather stations around the world!
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/09/research-global-warming-hiatus
Caution: Just don’t use them to predict the future; they’ll tell you the planet is going to heat up, and by now even you know better.
🙂
In related news, the global warming/climate change/climate disruption agenda has become a joke.
http://notrickszone.com/2014/09/09/german-scientists-ridicule-new-york-climate-conference-as-major-world-leaders-decline-to-show-up/
Next, they’ll recycle the alarmist global cooling craze from the 1950s to 1970s.
So again, I admit the models do work–in the sense that they successfully dupe people such as you.
Politicians, big corporations, and elitists get their kicks out of duping naive and uneducated people (i.e., climate alarmists), who numbly support them as they funnel tax money to lobbyists and campaign donors while they raise taxes and energy costs, reduce economic growth, and expand poverty, debt, and income inequality
Actually the paper being reported Meehl et al is quite good for a warmist paper.
What they say is if they add the PDO to a standard IPCC grade model they can replicate the hiatus. In other words including the natural ~60 year cycle makes their models work better. We have been saying this all along in the sceptical community.
Of course if you do this what you also are doing is acknowledging that the same cycle caused 0.28 C of the 0.4 C temperature rise since 1970. Which is 70% of it.
If you drop the IPCC sensitivity number by 70%, from 2.5 C/doubling to 0.7 C/doubling, you have just put a stake right through the heart of the CAGW scam.
That, is the memo, as Lubos might say.
Do not the models treat solar irradiance/flux as a constant instead of a variable?
they have ‘determined’ that it is unimportant
shows how stupid their models are and are another tell-tale of the scam involved because there’s nothing you can do to humans to control the variability of Earth’s orbit, Earth’s axial wobble, or the sun’s output so there’s no money or power to be gained.
There are a few pearls in the comments under The Guardian article.
One Sasha Payne challenges The Guardian-reading climate experts:
Historian and oceanographer CCNIckle replies:
Biologist Jbowers has a much higher number in mind:
Numerologist ID2450921 complains about the lack of peer review process for Guardian commenters that permits dangerous skeptical arguments:
Union of Concerned Scientists member and notable skeptic Kenji Watts asks some interesting questions but is ignored by The Guardian warmists:
http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/40638854
His comment is allowed to stand but the moderators have removed Sasha Payne’s follow-up comments. She may have said something rude about the intelligence of The Guardian experts.
O’Dumbo is a pathological liar. He can’t bring himself to tell the truth, ever.
“Studies show….the heat hiding in the ocean..” What studies? Is a “study” proof?
they studied their navels while dropping (more) acid and had a vision
They are saying, “in hindsight, the present was foreseeable in the past”. Seriously, we pay for this?
In hindsight, I realize now I could have predicted they would say this.
LOL [and how true of their BS]
Because he likes to live a bit longer I think.
For WIW, I wrote a quick blurb on Dr Happer’s Lecture
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/71-of-the-us-has-been-below-normal-temperature-over-the-past-year/#comment-419833
Hillary is lying as well.
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/hillary-calls-out-deniers-well-im-here-and-waiting-hillary/
it’s another stupid model, this time relying on the unproven and unsupported by empirical raw data that somehow the oceans ate my global warming. First it was the Pacific that did it and now it “must be” the Atlantic that did it. Pure rubbish, but then it IS The Guardian after all.
Obama is just doing his job, despite the clamor raised by Climategate emails in late Nov 2009.
Unreported TERROR, CHAOS and FEAR of nuclear annihilation in late August 1945 convinced world leaders to take totalitarian control of society and government science by forming:
1. The United Nations on 24 Oct 1945, and
2. False models in 1946 of energy in cores of
_ a.) Heavy atoms like Uranium
_ b.) Some planets like Jupiter
_ c.) Ordinary stars like the Sun
_ d.) Galaxies like the Milky Way
_ e.) Our now expanding Universe!
Click to access TERROR_CHAOS_FEAR_August_1945.pdf