Old, Thick Arctic Sea Ice Up 123% From 2011

The amount of four and five year old sea ice in the Arctic has increased by 123% since the same week in 2011. Experts say there is no sign of recovery, because their funding depends on people thinking there is something wrong.

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36 Responses to Old, Thick Arctic Sea Ice Up 123% From 2011

  1. stewart pid says:

    Cue Neven / jim to explain what Tony is doing wrong 😉

  2. tom0mason says:

    Paging Jim Hunt –
    Pictures of Arctic,
    Paging Jim Hunt –
    Pretty pictures of Arctic,
    Last call Paging Jim Hunt …

  3. mjc says:

    Umm…didn’t we go through this a couple of weeks ago?

    All the groups that track the iice more or less agree…old ice = thicker ice.

    There, done. No arguiing about it, unless you go argue with those tracking the data, in the fiirst place.

    Yeah, I know, I’m a klljoy…but I have noisy kids and a headache, so I’m not in a very good mood…

  4. SMS says:

    If Arctic ice is the canary for CAGW, the canary is doing well.

    • David A says:

      The canary flew into the deep oceans.
      From 1997 until now the 32 ppm increase in CO2 has caused increased LWIR back radiation towards the oceans (losing none of that energy to evaporation) that energy somehow bypassed the first 700 meters of ocean, and at less then1/2 of the models predicted rate, added (poorly measured with large error bars) heat to the deep oceans, where it will hide for some short time, keeping separate from the rest of the deep oceans, and soon it will, or maybe could come screaming out of the oceans and cause global catastrophic disaster world wide.

      (Climate science 2014 in a nut shell)

      • geran says:

        David A, you forgot the “sarc tag”.

      • Wizzum says:

        “The canary flew into the deep oceans.” That would make the canary a goldfish 🙂

      • Gail Combs says:

        Sorry David,
        Dr Hepper and Dr. Brown and Physicist Peter Malcombe trashed your “CO2 has caused increased LWIR back radiation towards the oceans” story.

        So has the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics @ the University of Colorado.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Translation from Oceaanopwarming of zeespiegelstijging door CO2 is niet mogelijk

        How is the ocean warmed

        Where does the energy come from that is absorbed into the ocean? This is only from the sun, the incident sunlight on the water surface at the equator has only 3% reflected the rest of the 97% penetrates up to 100 meters deep, and is converted into heat. Two-thirds of this energy escapes to the surface by water evaporation. The water evaporation is dependent only on the temperature of the water and is independent of the temperature of the atmosphere. In addition, the vaporization temperature is dependent on several material properties, pressure, flow rates and convection (in principle, the force of gravity).

        That increased greenhouse radiation warms the CO2-AGW is a fable, the long-wave infrared radiation from the atmosphere has too low energy (wavelength) and penetrates no deeper than a fraction of a millimeter (10 micrometers). This is much less than the boundary layer where evaporation takes place (500 micrometers), and that’s the only thing the infrared radiation than can do; help to evaporate water.

        In the diagram [below], the depth of penetration of the IR radiation is not even perceptible because these far right outer shell is located downstream from 13.5 micrometers. [The next chart in the article is a close up of the IR field (Absorption coefficient in cm^-1 from Wielicza, Weng and Querry)]

  5. Magnum says:

    Do you think they will get through??
    Note the date is 2016, cost up to £90,000

  6. philjourdan says:

    Who wants old ice? I only take my martinis with fresh ice! 😉

  7. Gail Combs says:

    In the Category of You just can’t make this stuff up.

    The Obummer foot-in-mouth Admin flubs again.

    Holder Aide Accidentally Calls Issa Staff for Help Spinning IRS Scandal

    Once I quit laughing I will go read the details….

    • nielszoo says:

      Wow. Talk about an Oh Sh*t moment when that guy figured out who was on the other end of the phone. What are the odds he needed to change his boxers. I would have loved to hear the conversation at DoJ during that 3 minute hold. This reinforces my belief that a very large percentage of our government should either be digging ditches as day laborers or digging ditches in a chain gang.

  8. Dave1billion says:

    But it’s old, brittle, bitter and possibly senile ice.

  9. kent blaker says:

    Just because sea ice is thick does not make it multi-year sea ice. The wind causes the sea ice to pile up. Without the wind, sea ice can only grow so thick during the freezing season. The ice that makes it through the melt season will only grow so thick during the second freezing season unless it is wind blown.

    • mjc says:


      But ‘old ice’ IS thicker…

      It’s one of those ‘not all thick ice is old iice, but all old ice is thick(er) ice’ kind of things…and no, that is not something made up, but rather is something that all the groups tracking the ice acknowledge.

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