BBC Changes Their Story, Slightly

Jonathon Amos at the BBC is telling a slightly different story  than he did seven years ago

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55 Responses to BBC Changes Their Story, Slightly

  1. Stephen Richards says:

    Amos, like all BBC reporters is a liar for the green blob.

  2. Edmonton Al says:

    They get out anything before the deadline and then head for the pub.

  3. Alec, aka daffy duck says:

    Interesting, cryosat has volume down slightly from 2013, while PIOMAS has it above

    • Ernest Bush says:

      For this time of year, the Cryosphere chart shows the Arctic extent is higher than 2012 and 2013. Right now it shows the anomaly at -0.452 kilometers squared. That is a pretty small figure up against the millions of kilometers squared of ice up there. The visual daily graphic at NSIDC with the anomaly line included shows this almost insignificant difference.

  4. Eliza says:

    This is the beginning of an admission that they were wrong
    WE will be seeing more and more of these stories. It’s the only way MSM will handle the backdown. We will barely notice… In 10 years time it wont even be a story. Who remembers Y2K2 fiasco . NOONE not even me!

    • gregole says:

      Note how boringly this story was written. “Ice may be more resilient”; yawn. Who cares about “resilient ice”? You’re right though, the back-down is in progress; think banality of evil.

  5. gator69 says:

    More resilient than many observers realize? No. More resilient than modelers realize.

    • Ernest Bush says:

      Are modelers capable of realizing anything of the real world? LOL.

    • Got me thinking about model observers. Has anyone asked them if it’s resilient?

      I’d start with Dave, the prominent Australian model-ogler:

    • gator69 says:

      Not sure about resilience, but my observations show there clearly is a problem with the models…

    • rah says:

      What do they mean by “more resilient”? I mean freezing is still freezing right? What a bunch of double speak.
      Top five Synonyms for: “Resilient” as listed at


      Now think about that. Someone please tell me which one(s) Amos meant?

      Is the ice floating higher in the water relative to it’s mass? I think not.
      Is the ice stronger than they thought it was? If so the how? I doubt that.
      Is the ice more flexible that they thought it was? I don’t think so.
      Is the ice tougher than they thought it was? How could that be?
      Volatile? Of course not.

      What he has done in this headline is twist the English language into a pretzel to avoid stating the obvious fact that the friggin ice has not melted and is not only still there but growing because it has been far colder then it was predicted to be.

      And “observers”? Doesn’t he mean some scientists? I mean after all was it not some scientists that were predicting an “ice free” Antarctic by 2013? I don’t remember reading about “observers” being the ones to make that prediction.

      My Granddaughter could have written a far more concise sentence. But then again she is a smart honest HS Sr. which makes her superior in intellect and communication skills the Amos and most the other cretins at the BBC.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Does she like banana peanut butter milkshakes? If so she may have a place waiting for her at the BBC.

        • rah says:

          I don’t know about the milkshakes but she has already been offered scholarships at several Universities. Carrying a 3.83 in a 4.0 system taking Honors classes for the last two years. She wants to be an MD. IUPUI (Indiana University Purdue University in Indianapolis) has offered her the best scholarship so far and so that is where she is planning to go. Pretty good system for Medical arts. Five Hospitals/Medical Centers in Indy alone.

          Besides, like I said, she is too smart and more importantly far too honest to work for the BBC. She also has superior morals to the leadership of that organization.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Purdue is or at least was a very good school.

      • Is the ice tougher than they thought it was? How could that be?

        Yes, rah. Arctic ice is tougher. Hardened ice, at ease in hostile surroundings. Think Clinton Arkansas operatives, petroleum exchange Cockney traders, Russian muzhiks or Philip Marlowe. Not some feeble metrosexual milkshake ice made from San Francisco tap water, swilled by BBC correspondents. Hard-boiled ice, doing its thing. Won’t go soft on you just because it got pistol-whipped from behind or cooked a few dozen degrees over 32°F. Will go down but come back up to get even. That kind of ice. They have no clue who they are messing with.

        • rah says:

          “They have no clue who they are messing with.”

          Now that is the understatement of the year when it comes to the warmists thinking they can outsmart mother nature. I guess it would also apply to all the misguided adventurers that have gotten their fannys very cold and frostbit trying to cross that ice to prove it is melting away.

  6. omanuel says:

    Yes, BBC News is a good place to find official propaganda and most talented attempts to hide the truth.

    For fifty-seven years, BBC successfully hid Japan’s atomic bomb. But KAZUO KURODA (aka Professor P. K. Kuroda) died in 2001 and his widow returned a military copy of how to build atomic bombs to the Japanese government.

    In 2002, BBC finally reported that a copy of Japan’s plans for building atomic bombs had been missing for fifty-seven years (2002 – 1945 = 57 yr) and nobody knew Kuroda had them.

    I am now convinced that Kuroda kept those plans to document deceit about the end of WWII, unreported FEAR of worldwide nuclear annihilation and a secret agreement of world leaders to Unite Nations in recruiting nuclear, solar and geo-physicists to build a giant “Matrix of Deceit” about the source of energy that destroyed Hiroshima.

  7. emsnews says:

    Geeze, where is this mystery ice coming from? The oceans? Outer space?


  8. Psalmon says:

    Think of the most impossible convoluted rationale why arctic ice is growing due to warming and that’s what to expect. The normally focused cold has been spread out by the warming…which has contributed to our polar vortex…and small changes in lower temperature froze larger areas…

    Something insane like that, at that’s what will hit the study circuit next. 2014 has been the year when we learned no amount of evidence will stop this train.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Last year the ‘Polar Vortex” was caused by open water in the Arctic…. in February. (Don’t bust a gut laughing.)

      Rapidly warming Arctic may be causing our polar-vortex winter
      By: Kate Allen Science and Technology reporter, Published on Sat Feb 15 2014

      Arctic warming is driving persistent extreme weather patterns, a new theory advanced at the AAAS scientific meeting in Chicago Saturday suggests….

      The rapidly warming Arctic may be behind persistent weather patterns half a world away, including our polar-vortex winter, the U.K.’s relentless rain, and droughts in the American southwest, according to a “controversial” new theory.

      Persistent weather isn’t just annoying, as the months-long, life-numbing chill has been. It can also be destructive….

      So, if Arctic warming is driving more persistent weather, that means trouble. The Arctic is showing the effects of global warming at a much faster rate than elsewhere on Earth.

      The theory, which Francis presented at the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) meeting in Chicago on Saturday…

      … it does provide a tidy explanation for what could be causing extreme weather patterns: huge waves in the polar jet stream.

      The first step in the process, amplified Arctic warming, is not a matter of controversy. All available evidence indicates that the polar north is warming faster than the middle latitudes….
      Ice reflects sunlight back into the atmosphere, but open water absorbs heat from the sun and stores it, creating a feedback loop. Scientists debate whether this or another process is the primary driver behind Arctic amplification,….

    • Receptionist: “How do you read climate scientists so well?”

      Psalmon: “I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”

    • It could also have been:

      Receptionist: “How do you read climate scientists so well?”

      Gail: “I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”

  9. darrylb says:

    On the first day of chemistry class that I taught, the very first handout had at its beginning, one of many clever Mark Twain Stories that could have won a liars contest. In conclusion it read
    “There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact”.
    Then on the very first day two simple activities were done, one with good precision and poor accuracy and the other with just the opposite of the two. Then from class results, many factors of error analysis were determined. The point being, one must always determine and state limitations of results.
    The inner circle of the climate science community has made a mockery of the scientific method. of which determining the range of errors and limitations of investigations is a significant part.

    Here are two more of the many M. Twain quotes on science.
    “All schools, all colleges have two great functions: to confer, and to conceal valuable knowledge.

    ” A man who keeps company with glaciers comes to feel tolerably insignificant by and by”.

    • Gail Combs says:

      One of the biggest lies in Climastrology is that you have to be a Climastrologist to ‘understand’ the science.

      No, all you have to be is trained in the scientific method or logic and have an understanding of significant digits to see CAGW is a complete crock. The fact they hide their work is another BIG CLUE.

      I do not have to be a geologist or a biologist to be able to read a paper and figure out whether or not I am reading science or baffle gab.

      • darrylb says:

        One benefit that I had being ‘old school’ is that I had to do everything on a slide rule.
        (Try doing cube roots on a slide rule) The benefit was that I had to keep the decimal point’s place in my head. Therefore estimating and quantifying became a habit.

        I have recommended that a calculator should not be used in schools until at least ninth grade. Two extreme weaknesses IMO in school and therefore in society are estimating (quantifying) and significant digits. (accuracy).

        Preposterous ideas are accepted by a majority of the public because too many people all too often cannot function without some kind of instrument in hand and then they are unable to input the correct information.

        It is interesting to note the basic requirements in English in Math to pass eighth grade 200 years ago.

        • darrylb says:

          gator69—I know less than 25% could pass it today, even if they access to a handbook of relative quantities, such as so many quarts in a bushel.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Yes, I had to use a slide rule also. I do not think computers of any type should be used in school for ANY work outside of computer labs. No calculators in math or science class, no type written essays or homework period.

          At least if they plagiarize they have to copy it by hand and maybe some of the knowledge will stick on its way from the eye to the hand. Also it is much tougher to hand in someone elses work as yours because of individual hand writing styles.

        • nielszoo says:

          I still carry a small circular slide rule I used in school in the ’70’s… the batteries don’t die and it has an engraved slide out chart of constants, conversions and a (now seriously dated) periodic table. Every now and then I pull it out in a meeting just to freak people out. I do agree with all that they should still be taught with as you understand scale and precision along with the relationships between numbers much better when you see all the intermediate values in a calculation. (I always hated doing roots as well ’cause you had to remember both the decimal places back and forth as well as the proper magnitude of the exponent… and your accuracy went to h*ll really quickly.)

        • emsnews says:

          It is worse: they can’t add nor subtract. This is how we balance the budget… 😦

        • mjc says:

          I graduated HS in 1983…and no, we could not use calculators in class or on tests. Yes, in physics and chem we were allowed slide rules. Mine was the last class that had that rule. My sister, who graduated in 1985, was allowed the use of a calculator at all times.

        • rah says:

          I remember when I was at IU in Bloomington, IN in the mid 70s seeing scientific calculators ranging from $250.00 to $400.00. My how times have changed.

        • Gail Combs says:


          Did you know of Richard Blenz, I think he was a prof at IU (Physics??) and built a house inside a cave in Bloomington Indiana in the 1970’s. Also Dr. Richard Powell, Indiana state geologist who was affiliated with IU.

        • wayne says:

          A little low on the high end rah. 😉 It was ’75 I picked up the latest Hp-65 for a steal(?) at $795. But I have to admit that even at that horrendously high price it allowed business to grow 40%/yr for the next five years solely because of that nifty handheld programmable calculator and it paid for itself many times over. Those were the fun days and was my #2 program ever written and sure got me hooked.

        • rah says:

          Didn’t “know” either of them but heard of Blenz. Goodness Gail that has been a lot of years ago. I remember things like skinny dipping in the limestone quarries and seeing every home game when IU went undefeated NCAA BB champs and can still name the starting five. I remember my 1972 Nova with a blown 396, positrac, Hurst 4 on the floor, and Creiger wheels with 70 series tires on the rear. I had to chain the engine down to the frame to keep from busting the right side motor mount. I remember my sweetheart Sharon Knight. I remember putting clown haired shag carpet in my dorm room in McNutt Quad.

          I do remember some of the classes and what I learned in them too but the previous mentioned things somehow seem more prominent in my memory.

        • cdquarles says:

          My maternal grandfather (6th grade schooling in the Jim Crow South) could do logs in his head and was quite proficient with a slide rule. He taught me (and maybe my sister, too) how to use one. The only calculators I could use in school were my head supplemented with a graphite pencil, paper; and yes, for some problems, the slide rule. Intel 4004 and TI (can’t remember what chip those early models had) were the exclusive province of the best science teachers at the time.

          Said teachers all were beasts about the proper use of estimation, significant figures, and error propagation. I shudder to think what goes on these days in ‘education’, specifically about estimation, significant figures, error propagation, etc., both of the teachers and the students.

  10. Joe Public says:

    It’s the BBC. Zero credibility, and, the loathed Telly Tax.

    • omanuel says:

      Thanks to Climategate emails, I now know that my most trusted source of news has lied for years and now does not have the ability to admit that.

      I.e., BBC, PBS, CBS, NBC, etc. are controlled by the same totalitarian government that controls leading research journals – Nature, Science, PRS, PNAS, etc. – and research organizations – NAS, RS, UN IPCC, NASA, DOE, NSF, EPA, NOAA, etc. – the government. George Orwell predicted in the book he started to write in 1946: “Nineteen Eighty-Four.”

      • emsnews says:

        Aka: the Bilderberg secret society that meets every year mostly in European resorts since WWII.

        • omanuel says:


          It doesn’t matter who the tyrants are. They have endangered the lives of everyone on Earth with false models of the star at the solar system’s center that sustains our lives and sometimes violently emits high energy radiation that can destroy many lives and all e-communications at Earth’s surface.

          Homeland Security and FEMA know this and have acknowledged civilization is now vulnerable to such sudden radiation bursts.

  11. omanuel says:

    Thanks in part to the protracted public debate over Climategate emails, even the most basic models of physics are being re-examined:

    See: “How Today’s Top Scientists are gambling away scientific credibility”:

  12. sabretoothed says:

    Wow that pic BBC has of the Arctic, how come there are mountains in the arctic ocean?

  13. talldave2 says:

    I didn’t realize the Onion had purchased BBC’s science news division. I suppose it was inevitable.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Darn, now I have to clean my monitor and key board. One of the best insults I have read in a while.

      I think the Onion is now syndicated and does the science section not only for the BBC, and Groiniad but also for the Huffington Post, The NY Times and the Australian too.

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