Another Busy Day For The President

President Obama’s war on police is getting cops executed in their squad cars, on the same day he is releasing terrorists from Guantanamo.

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Saul Alinsky is no doubt smiling from beyond.


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126 Responses to Another Busy Day For The President

  1. Warren Walker says:

    Mr. Alinsky – may he enjoy his own “climate warming.”

  2. Baa Humbug says:

    Waiting with bated breath for the #illridewithyou campaign

  3. emsnews says:

    Years ago in Park Slope, only a dozen blocks from where this murder today happened, I was walking my baby home in his carriage when a gunman jumped out at a cop right near by me, and shot him dead in the back of the head.

    I flung my baby and myself behind a low wall and as the other cops ran over, I yelled, ‘I have the description of the killer!’ I even saw where he ran (towards Bed Sty).

    They got him. After a shoot out.

    I was invited to the funeral. The police lined Atlantic Avenue and I got to march with them and I gave a speech about buying bullet proof vests for the cops. And was on TV.

    This murder is horrible and doesn’t surprise me. AL SHARPTON tried to get me killed way back in 1981, after all. He is super creepy.

  4. emsnews says:

    The NYC black murderer killed his girl friend in the South and then rode up to NYC to murder our own cops. He wrote that he was doing this to get ‘revenge’ for the cops killing the two men who resisted arrest and attacked cops in the South and in NYC.

  5. Mat Helm says:

    Hmmm… This was part of the plot line in the last episode of Elementary…

  6. philjourdan says:

    I doubt old saul is smiling. Hell is not the place for it.

  7. Latest news from Brooklyn….both cops died.

    • Latest news from the White House – Obama off to Hawaii to play golf.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Too bad he can not be held as an accessory before the fact along with all the rest of the ‘Community Organizers’

        I can not say I am at all surprised this happened. Unfortunately all it does is escalate the problem just like Obummer is hoping.

  8. Sophie says:

    Last year, Osama Obama pondered on the fact that 15 years ago he could have been Trayvon Martin. I didn’t realise, that a decade and a half ago, Osama Obama was a screw driver carrying jewel thief? I do wonder, can you play golf with a screw driver? ‘YES WE CAN!’

  9. Gail Combs says:

    Seems someone is “Tickling the Dragon’s Tail” with a screw driver again.

  10. GoneWithTheWind says:

    Impeach De Blasio. Jail Sharpton.

    • Frank K. says:

      It’s my understanding that the NYPD does NOT like De Blasio. It’s hard to run a progressive city without a police force. Who’s going to enforce salt, fat, and soda bans???

      • rah says:

        Yep! In fact they sent him a letter asking him not to appear at the funeral of NYPD officers that had fallen in the line of duty.
        Then there is also this just in:
        Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

        But the citizens of NYC voted for exactly what they got.

        • Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

          H.L. Mencken

        • PJ London says:

          “The best argument against democracy is a five–minute conversation with the average voter.” — Winston Churchill

        • rah says:

          Facts which explain much about this current NYC Mayors actions.
          Subject: Ten Quick Facts About Bill de Blasio, New York’s Mayor…

          Bill de Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm, Jr., on May 8, 1961. He first changed his name to the hyphenated Warren de Blasio-Wilhelm, adding his mother’s maiden name. In 2002, he dropped the “Warren” and the “Wilhelm,” and changed his name for a second time to what it is currently, Bill de Blasio.

          Bill de Blasio was the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign in 2000.

          Bill de Blasio was a fervent supporter of the Marxist Sandinista government in Nicaragua in the 1980′s, a government that was backed by the Communist Soviet Union and Cuba.

          At the height of Cold War tension, while still a student at New York University, de Blasio toured the Communist Soviet Union in 1983.

          His first job was in 1984 with the NYC Department of Juvenile Justice.

          Bill de Blasio received a master’s degree in International and Public Affairs at Columbia University, the same school attended by Barack Obama.

          Bill de Blasio ran Democrat New York Congressman Charlie Rangel’s re-election campaign in 1994.

          In 1994, Bill de Blasio married a lesbian activist, Chirlane McCray. The newlyweds honeymooned in Fidel Castro’s Communist Cuba.

          In 2009, de Blasio’s election campaign to be NYC’s third “Public Advocate” was supported by the pro-Communism, Working Families Party.

          Both of de Blasio’s parents were communists, leading historian Ron Radosh to describe him as a “bona fide red diaper baby.”

        • philjourdan says:

          He married a “lesbian”? That does call into question his gender.

        • Gail Combs says:

          It seems the mayor showed up at the funeral anyway . He took the podium during the service that was shown on video outside.

          This was the response:

          Photo and Story Credit:

          When the Mayor showed at the hospital he said to the cops in the hall ” We are all in this together” An Officer answered ‘No we are not!” The cops also turned their back to him when he showed at the wake.

          But the NYPD was still not done with the mayor.

          A bunch of retired NYPD officers took up a collection and hired a pilot to fly across New York City for hours hauling a sign stating: “Deblasio, Our Backs Have Turned To You”

        • philjourdan says:

          de Blazio (Wilhelm von Stuup) forgot rule #1 of communists – support the people who keep you in power.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Seems De Blasio’s chickens are coming home to roost.

        Former New York Gov. George Pataki tweeted: “Sickened by these barbaric acts, which sadly are a predictable outcome of divisive anti-cop rhetoric of #ericholder & #mayordeblasio. #NYPD”

        NY State Sen. Greg Ball posted a statement on Facebook that said, in part, “Today, our NYPD and other law enforcement and emergency responders have walking targets on their backs and are in grave danger. Mince no words. The Mayor is directly responsible for their safety or lack thereof.”

        Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch said. “That blood on the hands starts at City Hall in the office of the mayor.”

        “Those who allowed this to happen will be held accountable,” he added.

        The Sergeants Benevolent Association tweeted: “The blood of 2 executed police officers is on the hands of Mayor de Blasio. May God bless their families and may they rest in peace.”

        The cops were not white BTW, They were Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu.

  11. Sophie says:

    Has he got a good handicap? I think he must have, judging by how well he’s handicapping the American economy, using his number one, EPA club, specially designed to drive down profits a fairway.

  12. John B., M.D. says:

    The NYC protestors got their wish for dead cops. Sick. Very sick.

    • John B., M.D. says:

      Hope Mayor deBlasio is banned from the funerals.

      • Gail Combs says:

        My hope is all the NYCPD find jobs elsewhere and then quit the same day.

        Yes we have bad cops and they should not be hidden behind the Blue line. They are not above the law. However not all cops are bad and therefore this intentional targeting by this Admin. of cops and white people is beyond the pale.

    • Peaceful marchers in NYC:

      “What do we want?
      Dead cops!
      When do we want it?

      Peaceful Black Panthers in Fergusson:

      “What do we want?
      Darren Wilson!
      How do we want him?

  13. Keitho says:

    The most divisive president ever!

  14. PJ London says:

    They were sent home, because after 13 years, and horrific tortures, it was finally admitted that they were not, and never had been, “Terrorists”

    • Gail Combs says:

      It is the timing. Obummer had promised to close Guantanamo during his first campaign. He has not.

      • PJ London says:

        I give up.

        • rah says:

          You probably should since the rate of recidivism of GITMO detainees has resulted in the death of several American service people. Though the rate (about 19%) is much much lower than in the US prison system (About 60%) it still has cost good Americans their lives.

          The reason why the recidivism rate is so much lower for GITMO is because a lot of prisoners were handed over to them by Afghan security forces that were in fact no more than collaborators or in some cases completely innocent. It takes time to ferret them out from the real bad guys.

          The reality is that the political cost of releasing a bad guy that later commits a high profile act of terrorism against the US or it’s forces, or an ambassador or embassy would be very high. Thus the policy is better safe and sorry.

        • rah says:

          Oh, and BTW show the evidence of that “Horrific torture” and remember your talking to a graduate from the highest level of SERE training in the US military. IOW I have first hand experience being on the receiving end of many of the techniques that press now calls “torture”.

        • PJ London says:

          Oh wow a SERE graduate!!
          Gee wow!!
          Another OOH-RAH BS artist.
          So you want to keep innocent people in jail because they might be P’d off enough to shoot an American invader of their country.
          Go home, stay home and maybe you won’t have to be so scared.

        • rah says:

          Another brave one speaks from the anonymity of the internet. So typical. Just insults and no answers. SERE Level C is what I was talking about. Tell you what. Read Nick Rowe’s
          and then you might know something about what real torture is.
          Col. Rowe once told some of us awaiting the start of a timed unknown distance ruck during the old SFQC that “if I had my way every one of you would be shot in the thigh with a .22 and then still have to make the time.” Maybe he was just kidding. Maybe not. I couldn’t tell my his expression. But it was he that put together the program. Next assignment he was dead. Filipino communists got him. He had been a marked man every since he had gotten away in Vietnam and they finally got their chance and ambushed him.

        • It is clear he doesn’t know what you are talking about, rah. He probably thinks that you capitalized SERE to shout at him so he shouted back.

        • Gail Combs says:

          rah, I was thinking another thug apologist.
          Seems England has a heck of a lot of them.

          Rotherham: 1400 Children Groomed, Drugged and Raped by Multiculturalism

          Muslim Rape Gangs: the Disturbing Role of Britain’s Leading Child Welfare Charity

          Among the more nauseating spectacles of the Rotherham child rape scandal has been the squirming evasion and shameless attempts at face-saving by the various authority figures whose job it supposedly was to prevent such horrors happening.

          Labour’s PCC Victory In the Rape-Gang Regions of the North Is Proof that Turkeys Do Vote for Christmas

        • Gail:

          PJ London is not who you think he is. Look at these phrases and clues:

          I am not in England.
          I am only responsible for my actions.
          I would never under any circumstances …
          I have done “Know your enemy” training which included hooding, waterboarding and other forms of stress and deprivation …
          American “Exceptionalism” sickness …
          It is not the President only, it is not the generals or the politicians only, it seems like the whole damn country supports the idea …
          because you are a little scared …
          you are too ignorant to understand …
          Sarcasm is “a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt.”
          A cutting, often ironic remark intended to express contempt or ridicule …
          too difficult for you to grasp …
          PS. the clue is the quote from Napoleon

          Can you see it? Caustic style, self-assured of his wit and high IQ, convinced that he can do no wrong, English mannerisms but not in England, contempt for the USA, not responsible for anyone but himself, repeated admiring references to Napoleon.

          Can you see a short individual with the usual symptoms, with a black and white view of the world, living on his own island or a vessel, and itching to stick it to the USA?

          He is giving us clues because he thinks we can’t figure it out but the profile fits perfectly.

          He is Professor Cunningham.

        • PJ London says:

          Both you and Gail have the American “Exceptionalism” sickness.
          It is not about what the President said or did not say, it is about doing what is right.
          As a Para I have done “Know your enemy” training which included hooding, waterboarding and other forms of stress and deprivation. I would never under any circumstances inflict these practises on another person. You do not seem to have a problem with it. I was also taught that there are NO exceptions to the Geneva Conventions. Weasel-worded BS, “Enemy Combatants” are POWs, end of story.
          Why would I care what some ridiculous Col. says? If he wants to shoot you, he can go ahead. Your problem not mine, Does this somehow make your testes grow bigger?
          Don;t begin to think of complaining about the Viet Cong interrogations and imprisonment, your CIA actions in Vietnam are too well documented to give you any moral justification to point fingers
          It is not the President only, it is not the generals or the politicians only, it seems like the whole damn country supports the idea that people can be tortured, maimed raped and killed because you are a little scared.
          PS I am not in England. I do not apologise for thugs, I am only responsible for my actions. But you are too ignorant to understand that I am calling you and your military, intelligence and spy services thugs, torturers and murderers. You are the one supporting them, but I guess that is too difficult for you to grasp.

        • PJ London, what in the world does the American exceptionalism idea have to do with their comments and your response?

        • philjourdan says:

          Not a thing, but it allows him to slink away on his slime trail thinking he has somehow scored a point.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Colorado Wellington the phrase
          American “Exceptionalism” sickness….
          gives him away for what he is.

          ” The Hatred of the Good for Being the Good”

          This hatred is not resentment against some prescribed view of the good with which one does not agree. . . . Hatred of the good for being the good means hatred of that which one regards as good by one’s own (conscious or subconscious) judgment. It means hatred of a person for possessing a value or virtue one regards as desirable.

          If a child wants to get good grades in school, but is unable or unwilling to achieve them and begins to hate the children who do, that is hatred of the good. If a man regards intelligence as a value, but is troubled by self-doubt and begins to hate the men he judges to be intelligent, that is hatred of the good.

          The nature of the particular values a man chooses to hold is not the primary factor in this issue (although irrational values may contribute a great deal to the formation of that emotion). The primary factor and distinguishing characteristic is an emotional mechanism set in reverse: a response of hatred, not toward human vices, but toward human virtues.

        • PJ London says:

          Brilliant, can’t address the facts, so attack the messenger.
          Yes I am caustic, yes I use sarcasm.
          My point is that you cannot or will not address the fact that many/most commenters from America can see nothing wrong with torture, invasion, detention without trial, murder and assassination.
          They do not see it as ethically and morally indefensible.
          The are chanting the credo, “We can do no wrong, because we have good intentions.” They honestly believe that the rest of the world want to be and live like Americans.
          That somehow, their “Beacon on a hill” is the solution and that we should all line up to be part of your dream.
          You believe that “america” is Exceptional and that anyone who does not agree with your ideals and methods of operation can be dismissed and killed.
          Anyone who points out that your actions are not “Good” is a “Hater”
          When America removes the Beam from her eye, then I will listen to comments about the Mote in others’ eyes,

        • Yes, Professor. Soon the world will know what power you possess. Delta Beam Fire!

    • … it was finally admitted that they were not, and never had been, “Terrorists”

      PJ London:

      Do you have an intermittent internet connection or are you still on dial up? You should ask the Party to upgrade you so you can do at least a basic look up before you post here and don’t look like a fool.

      Mohammed Zahir was a leading Taliban weapons supplier, according to his official Guantanamo file, leaked three years ago to The Telegraph by the Wikileaks hacker group.

      “Detainee was arrested on suspicion of possessing weapons including Stinger missiles and uranium, which detainee’s recovered documents indicate was intended for use in a nuclear device,” Zahir’s threat assessment read.

      Some former inmates, especially a celebrated group of Saudi jihadis known as “Batch 10” who were repatriated in 2007, have rejoined al-Qaeda. However, subsequent releases have been deemed low risk …

      Abdul Ghani was a member of an assassination squad who admitted to having been involved in at least one rocket attack on US forces …

      Khi Ali Gul was said to have ties to the Haqqani terrorist network and to have planned and executed attacks against US and Coalition forces …

      Shawali Khan, who was said to be the nephew of a leader of the Taliban-linked Hezb-E-Islami Gulbuddin with possible ties to al-Qaeda and Iranian extremist elements …

      The release followed a request by Afghanistan’s new president, Ashraf Ghani, and were said to be a sign of the US’s greater confidence in the Afghan authorities since he replaced Hamid Karzai …

      The releases are driven by politics, including Afghan tribal politics.

      Warning: there are many pictures at the site and it may load very slow on a dial up connection:

      • PJ London says:

        “arrested on suspicion of possessing weapons”
        “said to have ties to the Haqqani terrorist network ”
        ” said to be the nephew of a leader of the Taliban-linked Hezb-E-Islami Gulbuddin with possible ties”
        If there was ANY evidence they would be in front of a military court.
        “Looking like a fool” is the prerogative of those who drink the Koolaid.

        Oh yes they probably confessed!

        From a Napoleon Letter to Louis Alexandre Berthier in November 1798: “The barbarous custom of having men beaten who are suspected of having important secrets to reveal must be abolished. It has always been recognized that this way of interrogating men, by putting them to torture, produces nothing worthwhile. The poor wretches say anything that comes into their mind and what they think the interrogator wishes to know.

        • … after 13 years, and horrific tortures, it was finally admitted that they were not, and never had been, “Terrorists”

          Oh yes they probably confessed!

          It would be helpful if you made up your mind on what you are arguing.

          I assume you are familiar with his JTF-GTMO Detainee Assessment from 25 Feb 2008 (widely available through a leak).

          Which part of it do you think was extracted from him under horrific tortures? Is it the following statement?

          “Detainee refuses to discuss the significance of official documents and other extremist-associated items found in his house during his capture.”

        • PJ London says:

          “Oh yes they probably confessed!”
          Sarcasm is “a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt.”
          A cutting, often ironic remark intended to express contempt or ridicule.
          PS. the clue is the quote from Napoleon

        • So you didn’t read it. Par for the course for PJ London.

        • PJ London says:

          The report is from the US DoD, and starts with ;
          ” Detainee is assessed to be a member of al-Qaida and a finance operative for the Tunisian Combatant Group (TCG).t He possessed information suggesting he had prior knowledge of the 9lll attacks as well as other planned suicide attacks,”
          Why on earth would anyone give credence to anything beyond that point.
          You (and some 50% of Americans) still believe that 9/11 was 2 planes bringing down 3 buildings. As I said before, drink your Koolaid.

        • philjourdan says:

          No, 4 planes, 2 in NY, one in Arlington VA (Pentagon) and one in a field in Pennsylvania.

          At least most truthers get that part right. You are not even that good.

  15. Gail Combs says:

    Oh and just to add insult to injury….

    Obama Calls For ‘Patient Dialogue’ After Police Officers Murdered in New York City

    ….After Obama returned from his golf trip he issued his personal statement:

    “Tonight, I ask people to reject violence and words that harm, and turn to words that heal – prayer, patient dialogue, and sympathy for the friends and family of the fallen,” he said.

    As one commenter on the article said:

    Is “patient dialogue” what Obama had in mind when he met at the White House with Al Sharpton and other race agitators to discuss Ferguson and gave them the message “stay on course, keep doing what you’re doing”?

    BlackSphere: Obama tells Ferguson protesters: Stay the course

  16. Gail Combs says:

    PJ London says:

    “….I was also taught that there are NO exceptions to the Geneva Conventions.///”

    So what is your take on Homeland Security buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, including hollow-point rounds forbidden by international law?

    I guess our outlaw government figure they are fine for use on citizens….

    Democide: Death by Governmetn

    • PJ London says:

      My take on it is that your government has no intention of honouring ANY agreement that it has made or signed.

      “The U.S. federal government entered into more than 500 treaties with Indian nations from 1778 to 1871; every one of them was “broken, changed or nullified when it served the government’s interests,” Helen Oliff wrote in “Treaties Made, Treaties Broken.”

      However the Geneva Convention is in respect to War, not to internal squabbles. (The Geneva Conventions are rules that apply in times of armed conflict and seek to protect people who are not or are no longer taking part in hostilities)

      • philjourdan says:

        It is also in respect to men in uniform, not spies and those trying to infiltrate the other side in civilian clothes.

        You are clueless.

      • James the Elder says:

        Ah—-:”your government”. So, a non-citizen or self loathing anarchist who thinks G W Bush had the WTC wired, disregarding the fact that the weeks or months needed for such an operation in the middle of NYC would be spotted in an instant, and the pilots would need to be experts to fly into the wired floors. Oh, and let’s not forget that jet fuel can’t melt steel. You sir are scat in the gene pool.

    • philjourdan says:

      The Geneva Convention ONLY covers men in uniform (and women for the gender specific). It does not cover those NOT in uniform. Colorado is correct. You have done NO research or even know what you are talking about.

      • PJ London says:

        Pot – kettle – black

        “You have done NO research or even know what you are talking about.”

        The Geneva Conventions are rules that apply in times of armed conflict and seek to protect people who are not or are no longer taking part in hostilities; these include the sick and wounded of armed forces on the field, wounded, sick, and shipwrecked members of armed forces at sea, prisoners of war, and civilians.

        Common Article 3 establishes fundamental rules from which no derogation is permitted. It is like a mini-Convention within the Conventions as it contains the essential rules of the Geneva Conventions in a condensed format and makes them applicable to conflicts not of an international character:

        It requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands, without any adverse distinction. It specifically prohibits murder, mutilation, torture, cruel, humiliating and degrading treatment, the taking of hostages and unfair trial. (What part of ALL PERSONS do you not understand)
        It requires that the wounded, sick and shipwrecked be collected and cared for.
        It grants the ICRC the right to offer its services to the parties to the conflict.

        The third Geneva Convention applies to prisoners of war.
        This Convention replaced the Prisoners of War Convention of 1929. It contains 143 articles whereas the 1929 Convention had only 97. The categories of persons entitled to prisoner of war status were broadened in accordance with Conventions I and II. The conditions and places of captivity were more precisely defined, particularly with regard to the labour of prisoners of war, their financial resources, the relief they receive, and the judicial proceedings instituted against them.
        (1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, (what part of DETENTION do you not understand) or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
        (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
        (b) taking of hostages;
        (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
        (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

        As far as your “Uniform” nonsense. category 6
        Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
        The following shall likewise be treated as prisoners of war under the present Convention:
        (1) Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the armed forces of the occupied country, if the occupying Power considers it necessary by reason of such allegiance to intern them, even though it has originally liberated them while hostilities were going on outside the territory it occupies, in particular where such persons have made an unsuccessful attempt to rejoin the armed forces to which they belong and which are engaged in combat, or where they fail to comply with a summons made to them with a view to internment.

        Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal. (What part of shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention do you not understand)

        And this is why Britain is C***ng itself ;
        “Prisoners of war may only be transferred by the Detaining Power to a Power which is a party to the Convention and after the Detaining Power has satisfied itself of the willingness and ability of such transferee Power to apply the Convention. ”
        They know they are in breach of the agreement by transferring people to the USA forces.

        • philjourdan says:

          And you never mentioned armed combatants not in uniform. One wonders why. All that to prove me correct.

          Perhaps you just need to understand what you read? No one (except your scarecrow) was talking about neutrals or civilians. We were talking about enemies captured on the field of battle, and differentiating between those IN uniform and those NOT IN uniform.

          What a putz

        • PJ London says:

          Good grief, If they were “Enemy captured on the field of battle” how can they not be POWs except in the minds of Bush and Cheney?

          What uniforms did the American patriots wear in the war of Independence?

          I am now out of here as it has got to the point where the stupidity is far beyond my capacity for patience.

        • philjourdan says:

          In anyone’s minds. They are not POWs because they wore no uniform. Therefore they are NOT subject to the GC. And that is in the minds of those who wrote it, so forget your straw men. And for that matter, try to learn to read. YOu really do suck at it.

          I take it you are not use to being shown up? Get use to it. Your parents are not going to be there for you always.

        • philjourdan says:

          BTW: Learn how to reply. You look like you are replying to yourself. Which is not surprising given your mental state.

        • PJ London says:

          If they think that they are innocent, why not go to the Hague and stand trial?

          They can run, they can hide but they are not fooling anyone with the term “enemy combatants”, the day will come when they are incarcerated for their crimes.

          Ad hominem attacks are the refuge of those who have no logical or rational argument.

          “BTW: Learn how to reply. You look like you are replying to yourself. Which is not surprising given your mental state.”

          The site does not permit a one-for-one response. You probably did not notice nut there is no “reply” option below each comment.

        • philjourdan says:

          Hmm, I am sure you were a real winner back when liberals were lynching blacks. Did you also advocate they go to the organizers and demand a trial?

        • philjourdan says:

          BTW – yes it does. But then it does require intelligence. Sorry I assumed incorrectly on your part.

    • rah says:

      No exceptions? HA! Read: Article 4 of Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, 75 U.N.T.S. 135, entered into force Oct. 21, 1950.

      A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

      1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

      2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

      (a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

      (b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

      (c) That of carrying arms openly;

      (d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

      3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
      Notice that to be considered to be a POW you have to fulfill all of the conditions:
      The terrorists don’t. And yet they have been accorded POW status. If they hadn’t then they would have no rights to speak of not given to them by their captors.

      • PJ London says:

        You obviously cannot be bothered to read, Bush Cheney etc know that under Cat 6 and other sections (previously members of armed forces, civilians etc,) Taliban and so-called Al Qaeda should be accorded POW status.

        Article 5 ;
        “Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.
        In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity, and in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention.
        They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.”

        Which is why the criminals will not join ICC and why the USA will not operate except where they are given blanket immunity.

        It is also why Bush Blair Cheney Rumsfeld are running scared and the day will soon come when they cannot leave the borders of the USA.

        Not even the DOJ will give them immunity from prosecution, because being lawyers they know that they would become accomplices to the crimes.

        Remember they are still charging Germans from the second world war (persons who are the equivalent of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo guards) with war crimes.

        If they think that they are innocent, why not go to the Hague and stand trial?

        They can run, they can hide but they are not fooling anyone with the term “enemy combatants”, the day will come when they are incarcerated for their crimes.

        • rah says:

          I can read well enough to say that you could not pull a single quote from your “reply” that disputes what I posted or for that matter has much to with it. Nowhere does Article 6 change or alter and grant any exceptions to the requirements as stipulated in Section 4. For classification as a POW. The Taliban, without uniform, and without conduct as legitimate combatants under the rule of law have no more rights than any person that works in a clandestine manner without uniform. And those rights are basically nil.

        • PJ London says:

          Please read article 3
          “1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.”
          The fact that it says “including members of armed forces” clearly also says that it is not “Limited” to members of armed forces, as identified in Article 4.
          It clearly says how all persons in a combat zone or occupied territory are to be treated.
          Why not surrender Bush, Cheney, the guards at Abu Ghraib, Guantanmo etc. to the ICC and put your case to the judges?
          A percentage of Americans agree with you, the rest of the world and many Americans do not.
          Go in front of the judges, let them decide who is right.

        • philjourdan says:

          Persons taking no active part in the hostilities

          That destroys your entire argument. Come back when you are not going to destroy your own point.

      • PJ London says:

        “are no longer taking part in hostilities”
        Good grief! That means they must at some time have taken part.

        Why not let the judges in the Hague sort it out as they did in Nuremburg?

        Why are you all so scared?

        • philjourdan says:

          THe judges in The Hague had nothing to do with Nuremberg, and only an idiot would insinuate there was any kind of relationship. Nuremberg was conducted by the ALLIES, of which the US was part. Not by

        • philjourdan says:

          any neutral 3rd party.

        • PJ London says:

          Good grief, you are as thick as two short planks.

          “Why not let the judges in the Hague sort it out as they (THE JUDGES) did in Nuremburg?”

          Geoffrey Lawrence was the youngest son of Lord Trevethin, briefly Lord Chief Justice of England in 1921-22.
          In 1927 Lawrence was made a King’s Counsel and appointed Attorney General to the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII). With this appointment came membership of the Council of the Duchy of Cornwall.
          Francis Beverley Biddle (May 19, 1886 – October 4, 1968) was an American lawyer and judge who was Attorney General of the United States
          Donnedieu was born in Nîmes. Prior to the war, he had campaigned for the concept of an International Criminal Court while serving as a professor of Criminal Law at Paris University. He also became director of the Paris Institute of Criminology.
          Chief prosecutors[edit]
          United Kingdom Attorney General Sir Hartley Shawcross (United Kingdom)
          United States Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson (United States)
          Soviet Union Lieutenant-General Roman Andreyevich Rudenko (Soviet Union)
          France François de Menthon, later replaced by Auguste Champetier de Ribes (France)

          THey were the best lawyers and judges each country had

          The ICC
          The judges of the Court are: Sang-Hyun Song (Republic of Korea), Sanji Mmasenono Monageng (Botswana), Cuno Tarfusser (Italy), Akua Kuenyehia (Ghana), Erkki Kourula (Finland), Anita Ušacka (Latvia), Ekaterina Trendafilova (Bulgaria), Joyce Aluoch (Kenya), Christine van den Wyngaert (Belgium), Silvia Alejandra Fernández de Gurmendi (Argentina), Kuniko Ozaki (Japan), Howard Morrison (United Kingdom), Olga Herrera Carbuccia (Dominican Republic), Robert Fremr (Czech Republic), Chile Eboe-Osuji (Nigeria) and Geoffrey A. Henderson (Trinidad and Tobago).

          As you point out, in Nuremburg, it was the victors that sat in judgement.

          In the Hague, it would be independent (mainly) non participants who would judge, a much better chance of justice, and still the Americans (and most British, and all Israelis) are petrified of having to justify their actions.

          Why not let the judges in the Hague sort it out ? (You happy now)

          Why are you all so scared?

          Americans attitude is “The law is whatever we say it is.” pretty much like their cops.

        • philjourdan says:

          Whoosh! It whizzes by his head again.

          YOU brought up Nuremberg

          Why not let the judges in the Hague sort it out as they did in Nuremberg?

          I POINTED out that the judges in Nuremberg were not 3rd party. You I guess assumed they were. I really do not care your opinion of their merits. They were selected to do one thing – put on a show trial of the Nazis. Period. So your equivalency is bogus! Indeed, it was the sham of Nuremberg that caused the US to NOT allow it to happen for Japan, even though Russia was clamoring for it.

          You cannot even keep your story straight, But you are consistently ignorant. Go peddle your lies elsewhere. You cannot keep moving the goal posts every time you are shown to be the fool, and not be called on it.

  17. …still believe that 9/11 was 2 planes bringing down 3 buildings.

    You are a troofer? Now it all makes sense …

  18. Centinel2012 says:

    Reblogged this on Centinel2012 and commented:
    Obama does have blood on his hands now doesn’t he!

  19. Gail Combs says:

    Now that the blood they were so thirsty for has been spilled all the Community Organizers Agitators and race baiters are trying to shake off the blood staining their hands.

    • rah says:

      They can try but their hands will remain pink forever. They call for war and then when the first shots are fired, they call for peace and it is so obvious that even Ray Charles could see it.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Oh My it gets even better! Seems de Blasio really blew it. by the same journalist.

        ….Facing his first real crisis in City Hall, he seemed to be doing his best to hold his own emotions in check and hold the city together.

        Then he blew it. Late in the day, the mask of conciliation came off. Actually, he ripped it off with a snarl and gave vent to his smoldering anger at what he regards as the real culprit.

        No, it’s not the protesters who beat and spit on cops and accuse them of being the KKK. It definitely isn’t the mobs chanting for dead cops. Nor is it those who shut down highways, bridges and invade stores to disrupt the holiday season.

        The real problem, as de Blasio sees it, is the media. I kid you not — he actually shot the messenger.

        He accused the reporters assembled in front of him of stoking outrage by focusing on “the few” protesters doing “immoral” things……

        He called it “unfair,” and insisted most protesters were peaceful but that “you guys enable” the troublemakers.

        He went on in that vein for several minutes, becoming more forceful and shutting down a persistent reporter by addressing him as “my friend,” a phrase he paired with a death stare…..

        de Blasio is toast. You would think he would have learned the lesson about not kicking the Attack dogs from Obummers fubar with spying on journalists.

        • Gail Combs says:

          That does not stop the NYT from printing
          Mr. deBlasios Call for Harmony on their editorial page.

          ….So the mayor’s plea on Monday for everyone to stand down, to put aside protests and bitter words, at least until the funerals are done, was an understandable bid for civic calm. Fair enough. Anything that even briefly silences the police union leader Patrick Lynch, whose response to the killings has been to slander Mr. de Blasio as a bloody-handed accomplice to murder, is worth supporting.

          But the moment for discussion and argument will soon return. And that moment will demand forceful truth-telling, to counter the lies and distrust that have clouded this tragedy….

          Mr. Bratton had chosen his words poorly earlier in the day, in a morning TV interview, saying that “the targeting of these two police officers was a direct spinoff of this issue of these demonstrations.” He should have made clear that the only one responsible for the killings is the killer, Ismaaiyl Brinsley…..

          The protests for police reform should not be stifled — they should be allowed to continue, and be listened to. The protesters and their defenders, including Mayor de Blasio, need offer no apologies for denouncing misguided and brutal police tactics and deploring the evident injustice of the deaths of unarmed black men like Eric Garner. As Mr. de Blasio noted on Monday, a vast majority of demonstrators are “people who are trying to work for a more just society,” a mission that has nothing to do with hating or killing cops. Those who urge violence are on the fringe, Mr. de Blasio said….

          We want to hear more of this from Mr. de Blasio, who needs to be the grown-up in a conversation so dominated by puerility. Irresponsible voices are poisoning this debate: George Pataki, a former New York governor, said that “divisive anti-cop rhetoric” from Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. and Mr. de Blasio inspired the killing of the two officers; Rudolph Giuliani, a former mayor of New York City, spread the falsehood that Mr. de Blasio had let the protests get out of control (they have been amazingly peaceful); Raymond Kelly, a former New York police commissioner, falsely accused Mr. de Blasio of running on an “anti-police” platform.…..

          I can not read any more of the spin… “PEACEFUL”????

          …NYPD officers were swarmed by protesters in a knock-down, drag-out brawl on the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday night that sent two police lieutenants to the hospital…. (They were dropping garbage cans on to the police from ten feet above.)

          Note the other news media do not report the attacks only the arrests and that everything was ‘peaceful’

          While more than 200 arrests were made on the night, for the most part police showed restaint and there were no reports of violence from protesters….While continuing to call for calm, Mayor de Blasio encouraged the nonviolent demonstrations.

          I am really sick to death of the propaganda!

        • philjourdan says:

          As I said, the propaganda arm. That is so sickly sweet trying to apologize for his incompetence!

          I am sure he is going to bite them again. That is fact number 2 about liberals. They are not too bright.

        • philjourdan says:

          I love it when the left eats its own. The Media is not the “messenger”. They are the propaganda wing for the left! SO let him rip! They deserve it, just not for the reason he is ripping them for.

        • rah says:

          Rely on the NYT to try and spin it so that these demonstrations and rioting are the fault of the GOP.

      • Gail Combs says:

        And out buddies the New York Times have already printed:

        ….The meeting comes after protesters staged a demonstration at City Hall and later descended on Gracie Mansion to demand a sit-down with the mayor.

        The group, a task force of criminal justice reform advocates, artists, convicted felons and others, has staged daily protests since Dec. 3, when a grand jury declined to bring criminal charges against a white police officer in the death of Eric Garner, a black Staten Island man. The group is pushing officials to meet a list of demands that includes firing the officer, Daniel Pantaleo, and ending the “broken windows” policing strategy, which targets petty crimes….

        the “broken windows” policing strategy
        In case you do not remember NYC found if they went after the turnstile jumpers they caught the perpetrators of much more serious crimes. Giuliani was the mayor at the time. link

        I am not surprised the criminals want a method that catches them revoked.

    • Gail Combs says:

      And here comes the media spin…

      … A day after officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were fatally shot in their patrol car, recriminations flew in the country’s largest city, with Mayor Bill de Blasio standing at the epicenter. Critics blamed the mayor and his aggressive campaign to reform police practices for the shootings, with officers taking the extraordinary step of silently turning their backs on de Blasio as he entered the hospital where the two patrolmen died….

      The New York Post has a much better article:

      … “Once a bullet leaves a gun, it has no friends,” the late Sen. Pat Moynihan once said. That is the nature of power, too. Those who have it must take extra care to be precise in their words and actions, lest they unleash the dogs of hell.

      The mayor failed that test miserably. He can run from the consequences, but he can’t hide. His mayoralty is sunk unless he comes to grips with the fact that he lit the fuse that led to Saturday’s explosion.

      For two years, starting with his 2013 campaign, he painted a target on the NYPD. Many of us warned repeatedly that he was playing with fire, but he saw his election as a blank check.

      With Al Sharpton protecting his radical flank, the once-amiable back-bencher from Brooklyn has grown pompous with power. He fancies himself the leader of a national movement, and is comfortable lecturing the public….

      Again and again, he depicted the great and gallant NYPD as an occupying army of racist brutes and foolishly boasted that he had warned his biracial son that the police were a danger to him. Just Friday, he met with demonstrators despite the fact that five cops had been assaulted in the so-called peaceful protests, and despite a video in which hundreds if not thousands of protesters are seen demanding “dead cops.”

      As John Lindsay and David Dinkins learned, you cannot govern New York if you are hostile to the police. But even those mayors never experienced the shunning dished out to de Blasio Saturday night at the hospital.

      The instant when scores of officers turned their backs on him was spontaneous, but reflected the hostility he spent two years creating. He earned their wrath.

      As it stands, the bonds between City Hall and the Thin Blue Line are not merely strained. They are severed.

      That is a threat to the entire fabric of the city. If it is open season on cops, nobody in New York is safe.….

      My goodness an American journalist who actually ‘gets it’ A big H/T Michael Goodwin.

  20. Gail Combs says:

    On a positive note, my town just had a demonstration last night —- In support of the police force.
    We have a large black and Hispanic population BTW and our county Sheriff is very popular. He was just reelected by a landslide.

    • gator69 says:

      Yes, St Louis also demonstrated in support, of something, last night. By rioting at two local gas stations, hitting a cop in the face with a brick, and igniting explosives at said gas stations. Black on Blue.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Obummer and his cast of Communist Agitators Community Organizers must be very very happy at the civil unrest they are creating. Now, when the power outages and job losses hit from Obummers EPA regulations, the fecal material is pretty much guaranteed to hit the rotating blades since the powder keg is primed and ready.

        Martial Law, Suspension of the Constitution, Dismissal of Congress and UN intervention as has been happening all around the world? Is that what will happen before the 2016 elections?

        I am sure that is the secret hope of many of the Communists Progressive Democrats.

        The Blacks who are to be sacrificed have overlooked the militarization of our police under Obama:
        Concerns Grow As Local Police Look More And More Like The Military ~ Business Insider

        The Militarization of the Police Has Produced a Murder Machine ~ Paul Craig Roberts

        1.6 Billion Rounds of Ammo for Homeland Security, It’s Time for a National Conversation ~ Forbes

        Military Drills and Black Helicopters in U.S. Cities Spark Panic

        February 2013 …Before simulating “urban warfare” in Texas, the military was also conducting similar drills in Miami, Florida. Multiple videos have emerged online, some from news agencies, of U.S. military Black Hawk helicopters swarming around downtown last week — similar to late-night drills conducted in the city in 2011 without warning that left thousands of residents terrified…..

        “This is routine training conducted by military personnel designed to ensure the military’s ability to operate in urban environments, prepare forces for upcoming overseas deployments, and meet mandatory training certification requirement,” local police claimed in the statement cited in news reports….

        Canada-U.S. pact allows cross-border military activity

        February 24, 2008 [Under Bush]
        Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal….

        Mark Stoval shows an image of the graphic by Zoey DeGarmo that has all the information about US Militarization of the Police in one place. It sends a powerful message:


        …that is a very professionally done piece of artwork. It communicates the problem very well in my opinion. The only problem I have is that this only scratches the surface. That the local police and its SWAT goon squads have become more and more militarized is very true, but it is also true that many federal agencies have also beefed up their “enforcement” capabilities. It is almost as if the central government is preparing for a civil war.….

      • Gail Combs says:

        What is interesting is this bit of advice from a Wall Street Insider

        Dec 27, 2013 Be prepared: Wall Street advisor recommends guns, ammo for protection in collapse

        …David John Marotta, a Wall Street expert and financial advisor and Forbes contributor, said in a note to investors, “Firearms are the last item on the list, but they are on the list. There are some terrible people in this world. And you are safer when your trusted neighbors have firearms.”

        His memo is part of a series addressing the potential for a “financial apocalypse.” His view, however, is that the problems plaguing the country won’t result in armageddon. “There is the possibility of a precipitous decline, although a long and drawn out malaise is much more likely,” said the Charlottesville, Va.-based president of Marotta Wealth Management.

        Marotta said that many clients fear an end-of-the-world scenario. He doesn’t agree with that outcome, but does with much of what has people worried.

        “I, along with many other economists, agree with many of the concerns expressed in these dire warnings. The growing debt and deficit spending is a tax on those holding dollars. The devaluation in the U.S. dollar risks the dollar’s status as the reserve currency of the world. Obamacare was the worst legislation in the past 75 years. Socialism is on the rise and the NSA really is abrogating vast portions of the Constitution. I don’t disagree with their concerns,” ….

        He is not the first to make such recommendations:

        Jan 6 2010 Barton Biggs – Stock a Safe Haven with Food and Firearms to Protect Against Pillagers

        …Morgan Stanley research guru turned hedge fund manager Barton Biggs (pictured), who called the market rally, advises that you buy a farm a good distance away from a city and, he advises, make sure that your doomsday safe-haven:

        *Be self-sufficient and capable of growing some kind of food
        *Be well-stocked with seed, fertilizer, canned food, wine, medicine, clothes, etc

        And get a gun, he says, because “a few rounds over the approaching brigands’ heads would probably be a compelling persuader that there are easier farms to pillage.”

        Mark “Gloom Boom Doom” Faber also recommends buying farmland. Our society has peaked and is on the decline, he says:

        “Once a society becomes successful it becomes arrogant, righteous, overconfident, corrupt, and decadent … overspends … costly wars … wealth inequity and social tensions increase; and society enters a secular decline.”

        This was before the EPA took aim at American Energy. Think these people may know something we don’t?

        Seems some are taking them at their word. March 29, 2013 The Next Real Estate Bubble: Farmland

        ….farmland prices are booming. Land prices in the heart of the Corn Belt have increased at a double-digit rate in six of the last seven years. According to Federal Reserve studies, farmland prices were up 15 percent last year in the most productive part of the Corn Belt, and 26 percent in the western Corn Belt and high plains. Closer to home, a neighbor planning his estate had an appraisal done in 2010 and again in late 2012. In that two-year period, the value of his farm had doubled….

        ….land prices has been driven by well-financed farmers and outside investors (many paying a large portion of the purchase price in cash)….

        Of course much of this is driven by the biofuel idiocy as well as a distrust in the economy. Investors are looking for a safe place to put their money and have focused on farmland and food… Unfortunately.

      • philjourdan says:

        The rioters should call Al Sharpton next time they are confronted by a punk with a gun.

    • philjourdan says:

      Being that my family has black (my favorite nephew), Hispanic (my wife, daughter and grandchildren), native American (me) and European (all of us as we all have some ancestry from there, even Hispanics), we can organize a Multinational demonstration at a family reunion!

      But none of us will be marching for idiots that pull guns on cops, attack cops or fight them.

      • rah says:

        Cops are people. There are good ones and there are bad ones. There are mature ones and their immature ones. There are rational ones and there are those that are not so rational. But no matter what I respect the tough job they have to do and their necessary function in our society and give great respect to those that do that job well.

        The fact is though that the more policing a society has the less free it actually is. The best condition for a free society is that in which the citizens police themselves by their own actions. IOW, a society where all people don’t do criminal acts and understand the difference between right and wrong and do their best to live by a moral code. That of course is the unrealistic ideal and so we have law enforcement.

        This motivational speech by a chief to his officers shows some of the reality of what a cop could face every time he/she goes to work.

        • gator69 says:

          “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
          – John Adams

        • rah says:

          Back when Adams wrote that the Church was the moral center of the various communities. Benjamin Franklin had his name on the pews of eight different churches in Philadelphia (That was how the major benefactors were recognized). The reputable people all attended Church. It was a necessity in fact. And it was through the society of the Church that it was determined who were the people who were good to do business with and who was not. If you had a moral or legal failing that became public everyone in your church would know. You would be expected to make amends. Those amends were expected to be by action or by some use of your wealth to better the community or to right the perceived wrong. Those that did not make such amends would find their businesses shunned and thus their ability to make a decent living negatively effected.

          Anyway it was through this combination of shame and financial realities that people in those days policed themselves and maintained an order society. However Law enforcement was still needed even back then to police the less savory classes.

        • philjourdan says:

          Times change. My church no longer has “pews”,so the “Major Benefactors” have bricks in the circle around the altar with their names on them.

        • gator69 says:

          I remember the death of shame. It suffered a slow death, and finally expired during the presidency of Slick Willy, when the press refused to call a serial philanderer by his rightful name. Our founders would not have hesitated.

          “Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.”
          – George Washington

          “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”
          – Benjamin Franklin

        • philjourdan says:

          In the 70s, doctors were the “gods”. They could do no wrong. In the 90s, it was Computer Engineers (those that could fix PCs). Today it is Cops. But through it all, the one constant is that all of those people have been human. They make mistakes. I have had run ins (none physical) with good and bad cops. It is not the person you have to respect, it is the position. If you have a beef, wait for the court date! The girl who was terrorized by ABC agents here went almost exactly by the book. In the end, while they wanted to charge her with a slew of garbage charges, they had to withdraw them all, and she will be getting a large settlement from the over zealous agents.

          Had she been obstinate (as she was in the right) and fought them, her survivors probably would be spending it.

        • Is it this case, Phil?

          Ms. Daly will be able to buy quite a few cases of sparkling water for the $212,000 settlement from the Commonwealth of Virginia for her ordeal (or beer, since she’s 21 by now).

          I wonder what happened to the gun-waving ABC clowns who dumped this expense on the taxpayers.

        • philjourdan says:

          Yep! it was very big news around here, and the ABC was trying to weasel out of culpability. But the evidence, and the fact she was on the phone with 911, blew their case to shreds. The agents are still there, and of course they said they would “review” their practices, but no one expects any repercussions for the idiots that terrorized innocent kids.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Good for you and your family. I see red every time Obummer and his buddies use the blasted race card to weasel out of answering hard questions.

        • philjourdan says:

          You see my ancestors? 😉

          I agree. Most “African Americans” (I use the term in quotes because I never use it) have European ancestry as well. There are very few pure African ancestry people in the US. And a lot of “blacks” are paler than I am (I know my grand nephews are).

          I refer you to the “first” post reconstruction “black” governor in the US – L. Douglas Wilder –

        • gator69 says:

          I see your black ancestry, and raise you a slave. I am descended from what were once called ‘Turnbull’s niggers’ (Minorquins). And then of course before that, my Anglo ancestors were enslaved, whole villages to the tune of about one million people, by Africans.

          Then there is this…

          “According to colonial records, the first slave owner in the United States was a black man.

          Prior to 1655 there were no legal slaves in the colonies, only indentured servants. All masters were required to free their servants after their time was up. Seven years was the limit that an indentured servant could be held. Upon their release they were granted 50 acres of land. This included any Negro purchased from slave traders. Negros were also granted 50 acres upon their release.

          Anthony Johnson was a Negro from modern-day Angola. He was brought to the US to work on a tobacco farm in 1619. In 1622 he was almost killed when Powhatan Indians attacked the farm. 52 out of 57 people on the farm perished in the attack. He married a female black servant while working on the farm.

          When Anthony was released he was legally recognized as a “free Negro” and ran a successful farm. In 1651 he held 250 acres and five black indentured servants. In 1654, it was time for Anthony to release John Casor, a black indentured servant. Instead Anthony told Casor he was extending his time. Casor left and became employed by the free white man Robert Parker.

          Anthony Johnson sued Robert Parker in the Northampton Court in 1654. In 1655, the court ruled that Anthony Johnson could hold John Casor indefinitely. The court gave judicial sanction for blacks to own slave of their own race. Thus Casor became the first permanent slave and Johnson the first slave owner.”

          Can’t we all just get along? 😆

        • philjourdan says:

          Most of us do get along – every day, without worrying about the race hucksters.

        • Gail Combs says:

          philjourdan says: “Most of us do get along – every day, without worrying about the race hucksters.”

          Ain’t that the truth!

          And there are just some people who are obnoxious by nature and if it isn’t one thing it will be another.

          I was in a wheelchair for a year as a kid of 6 and in ‘special shoes’ till college so I came in for quite a bit of grief from the obnoxious bullies. It is probably why I am an ornery individualist.

          I decked my first bully at age four and by the time I was in my 20’s managed to scare an armed burglar into leaving without taking any loot. He decided he really, really didn’t want to take on Hubby and me.

        • philjourdan says:

          Well, I was not in a wheel chair, but I had to wear corrective shoes all my life. Until I could decide on my own. So I would never run and jump (try that with clod hoppers) and was also the target of bullies. Had a few fights, lost most. But they were enough to let the others know I was not a patsy.

          Today, I do not wear shoes unless walking on glass or the temperature is over 110 or below 10. Except to work (I do look funny in flip flops in winter, but then I no longer care what people think about me).

  21. Gail Combs says:

    gator69 says, “Can’t we all just get along?”

    I should hope so. Like I said I am really really sick of the race card. Deal with the hand you are dealt. We are freer today than most of our ancestors have ever been.

    I only have a couple ‘Sand Ni…ers’ in my background. Not to menten a few with ‘unknown’ ancestry from colonial times.

    I find it amusing that so many blacks want to become Muslim when those where the slave traders who still hold black slaves to this day. Also many blacks were captured by other blacks.

    The only ‘innocents’ are the native Americans and the Asians… maybe.

    Actually about 99% of the US population of European ancestry have been slaves/serfs of the elite.

    (Oh, and I was very upset when my parents finally informed me, just before I started school, that I would not grow up to be a boy… tee hee 😉 )

    • The only ‘innocents’ are the native Americans and the Asians…maybe

      Maybee not would have been a better guess.

      From whom did Toussaint Charbonneau buy Sacagawea?

    • Oh, and I think you are still growing, Gail …

    • gator69 says:

      Gail, there are no innocents. That was forever lost, thanks to Eve. 😉

      “Many Native American tribes practiced some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America; but none exploited slave labor on a large scale.

      Native American groups often enslaved war captives whom they primarily used for small-scale labor. Some, however, were used in ritual sacrifice. While little is known, there is little evidence that the slaveholders considered the slaves as racially inferior; they came from other Native American tribes and were casualties of war. Native Americans did not buy and sell captives in the pre-colonial era, although they sometimes exchanged enslaved individuals with other tribes in peace gestures or in exchange for redeeming their own members. The word “slave” may not accurately apply to such captive people. Most of these so-called Native American slaves tended to live on the fringes of Native American society and were slowly integrated into the tribe.

      In many cases, new tribes adopted captives to replace warriors killed during a raid.[2] Warrior captives were sometimes made to undergo ritual mutilation or torture that could end in death as part of a grief ritual for relatives slain in battle. Some Native Americans would cut off one foot of captives to keep them from running away. Others allowed enslaved male captives to marry the widows of slain husbands. The Creek, who engaged in this practice and had a matrilineal system, treated children born of slaves and Creek women as full members of their mothers’ clans and of the tribe, as property and hereditary leadership passed through the maternal line. The children did not have slave status. More typically, tribes took women and children for captives for adoption, as they tended to adapt more easily into new ways.

      Several tribes held captives as hostages for payment. Various tribes also practiced debt slavery or imposed slavery on tribal members who had committed crimes; full tribal status would be restored as the enslaved worked off their obligations to the tribal society. Other slave-owning tribes of North America included Comanche of Texas, the Creek of Georgia; the fishing societies, such as the Yurok, who lived in Northern California; the Pawnee, and the Klamath.

      When the Europeans made contact with the Native Americans, they began to participate in the slave trade. Native Americans, in their initial encounters with the Europeans, attempted to use their captives from enemy tribes as a “method of playing one tribe against another” in an unsuccessful game of divide and conquer.

      The Haida and Tlingit who lived along southeast Alaska’s coast were traditionally known as fierce warriors and slave-traders, raiding as far as California. In their society, slavery was hereditary after slaves were taken as prisoners of war. Among some Pacific Northwest tribes, as many as one-fourth of the population were slaves.”

      And of course Asians are no different. During the Shang dynasty 5% of the Chinese population was enslaved, and today that percentage is much higher.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Thanks Gator,

        I am aware that humans have enslaved other humans since we figured out it is easier to force another person to do the work than to do it ourselves. As I have said before it is abundant cheap energy that destroyed slavery.

        Actually I was thinking of Asians or Native Americans owning blacks. I do know there was a lot of intermarriage of blacks (runaways) with the Lumbee Tribe here in North Carolina.

        • gator69 says:

          “Beginning in the Tang dynasty, Arab traders brought a number of East African slaves to China. Although historians have studied the African slave trade extensively, particularly the export of West African slaves to the Americas after 1500, a much smaller body of research focuses on the premodern East African slave trade, and fewer sources still mention black slaves in China.

          From the eighth to the fourteenth centuries; the Arabs controlled this vast slave trade, which stretched not only along the entire coast of East Africa and throughout the Arab world but as far east as China. Black slaves were just one of many commodities in the Arabs’ large-scale maritime trade with China, which peaked during the Tang and Song dynasty (960-1275).”

          “By 1860, the Cherokees had 4,600 slaves; the Choctaws, 2,344; the Creeks, 1,532; the Chickasaws, 975; and the Seminoles, 500. Some Indian slave owners were as harsh and cruel as any white slave master. Indians were often hired to catch runaway slaves; in fact, slave-catching was a lucrative way of life for some Indians, especially the Chickasaws.

          Black slavery in America usually evokes images of the antebellum South, but few realize that members of the Five Civilized Tribes–the Cherokees, Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks, and Seminoles–in Indian Territory, today’s Oklahoma, also had slaves. Like their counterparts in the South, Indian slaveholders feared slave revolts. Those fears came true in 1842 when slaves in the Cherokee Nation made a daring dash for freedom.”

        • Gail Combs says:

          Thanks Gator.

          I will admit my historic knowledge sucks. Last history course was freshman high school. Then again I do not have to get rid of all the PC rot they served up as history before I can learn the real history.

        • gator69 says:

          I learned virtually nothing about history in school, some from my travels, and most when I started studying and asking questions on my own. Much of what I was taught in school has turned out to be utter rubbish, and not just the history.

        • Gail Combs says:

          I like Dr Art Robinson’s (Oregon Petition) home schooling kit for K-12. When we purchased it for use on the local neighborhood kids it was $200.

          What he did with his kids was teach them to read and turn them loose (no calculators or computers allowed). His wife died suddenly so it was more a matter of necessity. OH, and no vacations like Summer vacation for several weeks. His oldest kids tested out of two years at University.

          The guy is amazing:

          Needless to say we recommend Dr Robinson’s course to everyone.

        • Thanks for the link, Gail. As a self-taught anti-communist*) mutt I’m always intrigued by other people’s breakaway methods.
          *) anti-collectivist, really, so we don’t overlook any other mutations

        • philjourdan says:

          anti-collectivist, really, so we don’t overlook any other mutations

          Oh, you do not have to be generic – they will come to you. I mentioned the Mayflower Compact (with no comparison to either socialism or Communism) and the socialist rats attacked me – for merely pointing out a fact of history.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Here is the link The Robinson Self-teaching Curriculum

          All you have to do is tell people to search: Dr Robinson curriculum.

          Since we do children’s entertainment we hand it out all the time. Even if you send your kids to regular school you should look in to it.

          It is still $195 for K-12 plus a set of books $275. For Math they use Saxon Math and will sell them at cost. Saxon Math has been around for years. I think they are out of copyright. There are 9 math books @ $85 ea So total cost is a little more than $100/year books included for k-12 and you don’t have to buy the math books all at once or at all.

          Here is an online shop that sells ‘Saxon Math’

          (They are Up to Common Core standards (Barf gag)
          That shop starts at $181.20 a ‘kit’ and goes up to $703.00 with separate teacher and student material!

        • philjourdan says:

          Actually that is not true. It has never been easier for a slave to do the work than for free people to do it. However slaves fulfill a labor shortage that even the hardest working body cannot fill. Throughout history, slaves were captured to replace the fallen warriors. In America, they were used because of a labor shortage. But the cost of keeping a slave is very high and only the rich could afford it. If you hire a laborer, you do not have to worry about security, clothing, health care or housing,. That is for the employee to worry about. Yet a slave owner has to worry about all that and pay for it as well.

          Slavery is not an economically feasible institution over a long period. And that is why is dies out when a community starts increasing its wealth.

        • philjourdan says:

          Here’s something that Gail will appreciate. Notice the costs of keeping a slave I mentioned in my first response. These are costs that the owner has to pay in order to protect his investment,.

          Compare those to liberal policies. Any wonder why liberals are the advocates of slavery and racism?

  22. rah says:

    Every person and every action in history should first be judged in the context of their own times. Certain historical characters, such as Hitler will forever be judged as evil but in most cases we create our own monsters by applying the mores and values of our own times in our judgments of historical figures and their actions.

    What most find appalling now was often common place back then. Vlad the Impaler is an infamous monster outside of his Transylvanian homeland. But in the place where he killed so many he is regarded as a heroic defender of his country by many. Who is right? Spartacus and many of the survivors of that slave rebellion met a similar fate to Vlad’s enemies and yet I doubt many can name off the top of their heads who the emperor was the ordered it despite the recent television series even though they think they know who Vlad Drăculea was and condemn him for what he did.

    • Gail Combs says:

      As I recall Vlad was know for his very well run country where no one had to fear brigands and merchants could travel without fear. (This meant a favorite of merchants which would raise the standard of living for all.) So as you say he is not judged by the standards of his people. Also If I recall he was a ‘hostage’ of the Turks as a boy. A people not exactly known for their kindness. A typical sort of thing where a king collected the first born of his nobles as hostages/trainees. By raising the boys from the age of five years the king made sure they were loyal to him and not the father, they were well trained and not spoiled and as I said were hostages for a father’s good behavior. He also could gage who the trouble makers were and what their strong and weak points were, an important bit of knowledge in battle.

      I had a bit of trouble trying to get this point through the head of _Jim in the case of Mises. Mises contended the peasants were better off because of the early English factories. Since many had been force off the land, work in the factories was certainly better than starving or thieving (and risking death) Yes the conditions were horrible by our standards but given that at that time life in general was brutal and short you can not make the comparison to conditions now.

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