Life In The Virtual World Of Climate Morons

Today’s idiocy from the Guardian

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Global warming will cut wheat yields, research shows | Environment | The Guardian

Wheat yields are up 300% from 70 years ago.

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Between the fake scientists and the fake journalists, it is quite a flustercluck of moronity.

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48 Responses to Life In The Virtual World Of Climate Morons

  1. jst1 says:

    The more we believe in government the more these kinds of things are possible.

  2. scizzorbill says:

    The prediction is based on crop models, or rather crap models. I can make a model to show anything you are willing to pay for. Wadda buncha boolsheet! If there is any crop yield reduction, it will be because of cooling with a subsequent shorter growing season. Warming would increase the yield. On a lighter note, here is something that will put a smile on your face. Ah, the good old days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqgtsai2aKY

  3. Edward Ingold says:

    Maybe we should just let North Korea hack all the research computers at NSAA NOAA and all the Universities getting EPAgrants

  4. Dave N says:

    Might be a typo

    • Fallon says:

      YEAH! I can’t shake the image of a bunch of upset biddy-hens! I guess his spell-checker was too tired to remove the vestigial “l”.

  5. emsnews says:

    We have a corn hockey stick! We are doomed! The entire planet will be covered by corn in 100 years!!!! 🙂

  6. Global warmers are just making bigger fools of themselves with each one of these papers.

  7. Gail Combs says:

    MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone!!

    And may the new year bring some sanity to our country and our news media. (Well I can hope.)

  8. Hrm, by my calculations, this means that for every 1°C of temperature drop you’d expect a 6.4% increase in wheat production. I lived quite a few years in Kansas, & the Summers there regularly go above 100°F (38°C) & farmers generally manage 40-80bu/ac. The South Pole is around -30°C now, so they should be harvesting wheat running 2700 to 5400bu/ac come cuttin’ time!

    Does New Holland make a combine that can handle 2700bu/ac wheat?

    • Gail Combs says:

      I think Cat does.

    • Password protected says:

      Whether Mann made or not, a warmer world is more hospitable world. Floridians don’t flock to Manitoba every winter. Vast farm lands are still limited be seasonal cold.

    • Pasinby says:

      The most wheat harvested in eight hours is 797.656 tonnes (1,758,530.46 lb) and was achieved by New Holland Agriculture with a CR 10.90 combine harvester at Wragby, Lincolnshire, England, UK, on 15 August 2014.

      • Gail Combs says:

        I have seen an articulated cat loader like that used to move snow when ordinary plows can’t. ( Not that I think it would run in the conditions at the south pole. Too cold.)

        • Anthony Scalzi says:

          Behold the Top Gear Snowbine.

        • scizzorbill says:

          Had a ranch in central Nevada with occasional polar temps. To start the CAT dozer, I had to build a fire under the engine. Nothing to burn in the Antarctic, so if you get the equipment running,,don’t shut it off.

        • Gail Combs says:

          scizzorbill, I like my diesel trucks. When living in NH we had a minus 35F night. Plugged in the engine heater and a battery charger, Tossed a couple gallons of diesel I had warming in the bathroom in the tank and she started right up. I then spent a half hour jump starting the gas powered cars of all my neighbors at the apartment complex….

          Won the bet I had with my next door neighbor too.

        • I’ve drained the oil out, put it on the stove for a bit, & then poured it back in the engine. You know it’s cold when you remove the drain plug & nothing comes out for 30 or 40 seconds.

        • rah says:

          Camp Ethan Allen Vermont Feb. 1983, 3rd Bn, 10th SFG(A) annual ski and winter warfare training. We had to start the engines of all vehicles and run them for 10 minutes of every hour despite the diesels having ether injection for starting in cold weather.

          BTW in the kind of temps they get at the south pole frequently you’ll have a very hard time keeping diesel fuel from jelling without some kind of heat source.

    • mjc says:

      It’s not the size of the combine that matters so much, but rather how much it holds before it needs to have what it has cut transferred to something else.

      I don’t think there are any rail lines at the SP…

  9. LOL in Oregon says:

    Holy wheat fields clueless city folk getting the goberment trough!
    These citified folk ought to learn about places like Brazil, India, Australia, etc where the farmers choose hybrids that actually work rather than just toss random seeds on the ground!
    ……and we all know Monsanto will not be “bovvered” to make money by having better heat resistant seeds to attract foolish fowl to the bird slicers….

    • Gail Combs says:

      Hybrids are not GMOs. The biggest problem with GMOs and some strains of commercial livestock is the lack of genetic diversity that could save you when Ma Nature throws a curve ball.

      …Purdue University animal sciences professor Bill Muir was part of an international research team that analyzed the genetic lines of commercial chickens used to produce meat and eggs around the world. Researchers found that commercial birds are missing more than half of the genetic diversity native to the species, possibly leaving them vulnerable to new diseases and raising questions about their long-term sustainability….
      https://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2008b/081103Muirdiversity.html

      Driving the ‘hobby farmers’ that raise heritage breeds of livestock and plants out of business is absolutely foolish. However that is what the Transnationals/WTO have decided is best for the corporate bottom line.

      I have zero problem with the idea of GMOs as long as they are tested and any cross contamination is treated as criminal trespass instead of as theft of the genetics by the court system.

  10. PeterK says:

    I’m just a layman but if it is true that for every one degree C in warming we would loose 6% in wheat production…then

    Say in England, we grow wheat where the average mean temperature is 19 degrees C. And in Italy where the average mean is 25 degrees C. Does this mean that for the same area, Italy produces 36% less wheat because they have higher temperatures.

    Maybe the question is stupid, but I can’t get my head around what they are saying. It doesn’t make sense. Warmer weather, more CO2 requires less moisture per plant = bumper crop? How do they come to their conclusion.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Actually they are telling great big whopping lies.

      Take a look at a map of the Northern Hemisphere. Look at the amount of land in Northern Canada, Northern Russia and Northern China.

      If the temperature goes up by one degree the Köppen climate classification moves north. That means MORE land capable of growing grains.

    • Gail Combs says:

      You can see how the Köppen boundaries moved in the mid west of the USA over the 20th Century.

      Do we really want to go back to the 1970s when the land that could grow corn and wheat was ~200 miles south of where it is now?

      Heck the major orchards in Florida have had to move south because the cold weather killed the trees.

      Cold is much more dangerous than warm. During the Holocene Climate Optimum it was 1 – 3°C warmer than it is today.

      Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic 2010
      Miller et al
      Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research and Department of Geological Sciences, University of Colorado, USA et al

      …. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded

      • “Do we really want to go back to the 1970s when the land that could grow corn and wheat was ~200 miles south of where it is now?”

        I don’t understand this statement because in the 70’s corn and wheat were grown in the exact areas they are now and a lot further north.

    • mjc says:

      And there is one other factor involved…the variety grown.

      Not all varieties do well in all areas. The key is to grow one that does well in Italy in Italy and not Great Britain…

      • Gail Combs says:

        “Not all varieties do well in all areas….” Too true. And that goes for the micro-climates from farm to farm too.

        Yet another reason to have local varieties instead of GMOs.

        The really big OOPS in South Africa in 2009.
        Monsanto GM-corn harvest fails massively in South Africa

        South African farmers suffered millions of dollars in lost income when 82,000 hectares of genetically-manipulated corn (maize) failed to produce hardly any seeds…. Monsanto blames the failure of the three varieties of corn planted on these farms, in three South African provinces,on alleged ‘underfertilisation processes in the laboratory”. Some 280 of the 1,000 farmers who planted the three varieties of Monsanto corn this year, have reported extensive seedless corn problems….

        GM Crops Failed

    • scizzorbill says:

      @PeterK: I’m an ex hay man (alfalfa) from central Nevada @ 6000′ elevation. I got 3 cuts per season. The grass was between knee and waist high, so good yield. Never got a 4th cut, after the first frost came. Turned the cattle into the fields to finish off what there was. If I would have had one more month of growing season, the yield would have been 25% more.

  11. SMS says:

    A lot of the increase in corn production is simply the result of a misguided ethanol mandate for gasoline.

    Also consider that we still pay farmers not to plant crops. Lots of farmland lying fallow, ready to plant if needed.

    • Yes, but the graph (& the linked article) are about production per unit of farmland, not total production. However, both are up quite a lot.

      • SMS says:

        Thanks for that. I was just trying to show some facts that should be an important part of any conversation on American farming. Only in America can you get paid not to farm or to grow a crop that is subsidized based on bad science.

  12. B says:

    They aren’t morons, they just have a different value system. Look at how much money they get for doing this.

  13. Sparks says:

    “flustercluck” indeed!!

  14. SMS says:

    I would suggest that most of the increase you see in production is the result of the introduction of mechanically applied fertilizers like nitrogen. Our farmlands would have been exhausted over 100 years ago without this innovation. And if the current batch of mindless environmentalists were to have their way, this type of fertilization would be stopped (seen as evil) and only organics allowed.

    It is mind numbing to consider what harm could be done to American farming if environmentalists were to have all their policies enacted. They’ve done enough harm as it is considering the attacks on GMO’s, pesticides, herbicides, particulates, wetlands, endangered species, keeping farmland fallow, etc.

    • Gail Combs says:

      SMS,
      Actually you need a balance. But mostly you need decent scientific experiments and honesty in reporting ALL the results. Giants like Monsanto, especially when they get ‘their man’ such as Mike Taylor into the FDA guarantees you are not going to see that honesty.
      (Taylor declared GMOs the equivalent of natural and not in need of testing.)

      …Interesting then that a contributor to the FAO’s Forum, Professor El-Tayeb, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Industrial Biotechnology at Cairo University commented that: “..currently available (GMO’s) mostly contribute negatively to poverty alleviation and food security – and positively to the stock market.”
      http://www.warmwell.com/gm.html

      There is nothing wrong with using ‘organic methods’ where they work and using chemicals where they do not. Soils that do not have organic material added back will ultimately stop producing. I should know since I bought an old rented tobacco farm with worn out soil that would no longer produce a crop. The test results came back 98% organic matter free – pure clay that bakes to a water impervious brick in the summer. I turned it into pasture and the fields are finally starting to look really good.

      My, farm according to the US soil survey, used to have over two feet of the best loam in the area. Just using the ‘organic method’ of planting white clover as a cover crop and plowing it under in the spring would have held the soil over the winter and added nitrogen and organic matter. However it was too much bother and expense so the fields were left bare to erode in the winter rains. (It is pouring right now) The same commercial farmers are doing the same bad practices in the farm fields next door. Bare fields and no cover crop. But then they don’t own the land. Now that my fields have recovered they want to rent my farm again — NO WAY!

  15. Miph says:

    Usually this kind of articles are written in to manipulate the commodities market. The ‘reporter’ is looking to sell wheat futures to idiots who based on this piece will run to buy wheat believing the prices will rise

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