Powerful Global Warming Pollution Cut by New U.S. Rules – Scientific American
Radiative transfer models used in climate models show that 2 PPM methane has almost no effect on Earth’s radiative balance, and that even a 10X increase would have almost no impact. And it oxidizes quickly in the atmosphere so the concentration could never get very high in Earth’s atmosphere anyway.
The only thing “powerful” is the level of bullshit by Scientific American and the White House.
MOST OF THE SCIENTISTS ARE IN BED WITH OBAMA, BECAUSE THEY ARE RECEIVING GRANTS. THEY DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE DROP DEAD. HERE IS MORE CRIMINAL STUPIDITY THAT IS NOW ON A GLOBAL SCALE, IT NEVER KNOWS WHEN TO STOP AND TURN ITSELF AROUND:
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Most of the scientists are in bed with Obama, because they are receiving grants. They definitely want to see anyone with common sense drop dead. Here is more criminal stupidity that is now on a global scale, it never knows when to stop and turn itself around:
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Doesn’t look like a madman wrote it now, does it?
Perhaps you prejudge.
Your message is sensible but ditch the allcaps please.
Thanks for the links, futuret, very interesting research indeed.
I wonder how far they can actually go, in their purely materialistic “science”. My guess: not much. They’re reducing (trying to reduce) humans to machines, and we’re far beyond those limits.
How soon will it be before these are in the hands of criminals, who use them to decide what homes/businesses to rob?
In Taxechusetts the criminals had the new technology for making “Tamper proof” drivers licences within 24 hours of the licensing department taking delivery. (The criminals got 1/2 the machines from their inside contact.)
Gail, That’s a problem for the citiots, and not us. I have no issue with my local sheriff, he supports my constitutional rights, all of them. And even if he did not, they would not be able to get close enough to my house to use the stupid thing.
The inner city scum have brought this on themselves.
This is another attempt to raise the cost of conventional energy, so that they can claim that renewables are gaining ‘parity’.
They promised transparency and they delivered, you just have to know where to look.
Time to disband or at least completely defund the EPA.
ya got my vote!
I refuse to read anything in all caps. If I say what you said too bad. This is designed to advance Agenda 21. It is a war on the private sector and will destroy private property rights. We will all be living in gray concrete apartments with the bathroom down the hall. No hope of anything better just like the old Soviet Union.
I have always heard methane was 23 times not 86 times more potent. Of course since CO2 does nothing either 23 or 86 times zero is still , well you know.
All those numbers are complete bullshit. They don’t mean a thing.
Steve’s own The Methane Scam kills the whole BS song and dance.
H/T to Sunsettommy
Yes Gail, Steve is right that CH4 has no affect on the atmosphere. However, he is wrong that CH4 is quickly oxidised to CO2. CH4 is not oxidised by oxygen. It can be measured in the atmosphere and is about 1.7 ppm. To burn methane, it is necessary to have an ignition temperature of about 650C. Your BBQ LPG (butane and propane) also does not burn until you ignite it. Further, there is a minimum limit to the concentration of about 5% before it can be ignited. Ozone up in the ozone layer and that created by lightning can oxidise methane but the normal product would be CH3OH or methanol which is highly soluble in water (or the oceans). -OH radicals have been measured high in the stratosphere with balloon carried instruments.
Please continue your experiments with the rain gauges and then do a write up for
Jo Nova, WUWT…..
With all due respect, caf, you have assumed the conditions for having a methane flame are the same as for oxidation. Methane will oxidize from atmospheric O2 at ambient temperatures and concentrations, or it would build up in the atmosphere since nowhere on earth naturally has the conditions you have described (except for your grill).
Volcanos would have those conditions (700F+).
People forget about the amount of energy the sun puts out in the upper wavelengths. Enough to beak chemical bonds even in the troposphere.
Another reason not to worry about CH4 is that the IR absorption bands, are in the LOW energy areas of the IR spectrum,meaning it absorbs very little energy,far less than what CO2’s already low IR absorption rate is.
Here is a link and article showing how minor it is: Methane: The Irrelevant Greenhouse Gas
The chart in the link,make clear that the two little Methane bumps lies in the lower energy parts of the IR spectrum, and well away from the main OUTGOING terrestrial IR section.
I like to tell the warmist morons over at Facebooks Climate change discussion group, just small these two gases really are by this line:
CO2 is a trace gas,with a trace IR absorption range, while CH4 is a super trace gas,with an infinitesimal IR absorption range.
Another link, that shows the minimal IR impact of CH4:
Scientific American has been a propaganda organ for CAGW for a long time. Part of the brainwashing elementary and secondary school children are receiving from the government and school political science types.
Methane has a global warming potential 86 times that of CO2.
Not 85 times, and not 87 times but 86 times!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Seriously, there are some reasons to assign CH4 with warming potential.
1. Scientific American didn’t say by mass, but the usual claim does, and CH4 has a formula weight of 16 compared to 44 for CO2
2. at 1 or 2 ppm it doesn’t take much to double the concentration of CH4.
3. CH4 oxidizes in to yield CO2 and 4 H2O and this is probably the cource of H2O^ in the stratophere.
But 86 times?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Only when you burn it.
When I was in the Navy, Dirty Ed would talk about his adventures before he enlisted. The hot cars he had, the rock band he was a member of and all the hot women he had his way with. I never told him, “Gee Ed your just a lying sack …” because I liked listening to him. And I think that’s why Scientific American gets away with such obvious bullshit. The subscribers like the pablum they’re fed.
I like your take. We do that, don’t we?
Back to the serious problem, the proposed rules from the evil Obama. As he cannot do a thing about fracking, since fracking is almost all done on state or private lands, this is his next best idea to destroy our energy independence. And further wreck the middle-class.
Here is the good news. I coach high school kids and made a wise crack about the weather today, that it was 50% warmer than Monday as measure from 0 degrees Fahrenheit. I followed it with “Hashtag GlobalWarming”. One girl exclaimed “oh wow, someone agrees with me!” and I asked her if she thought I was being sarcastic or sincere. She is a bit of a space cadet and thought for a moment before responding sincere. I told her, no, I was being sarcastic and that global warming was a scare-mongering crock. The other 40 or so on my team let an audible sigh of relief and agreed that global warming is pure BS. They were visibly relieved an adult sided with them. Many spent ten minutes citing proof one way or another that global warming is a scare.
Obviously not scientific, but it points to the possibility that our young minds are not being shaped in the horrid ways we dread. Maybe – just maybe – they are thinking for themselves.
Obama’s proposed free 2 years of
Progressive indoctrinationCommunity College will put a stop to that disturbing trend.
Electricity Rates Soar To Record Levels…
consider that the largest number of them support the East Coast. I’m going to lay in extra popcorn and Valu-Rite vodka when then blackouts start to occur. Watching those lefty voters freeze in the winter and bake in the summer will be a real schadenboner for me.
Don’t forget to lay in firewood and a generator plus extra fuel…
Oh that’s right. The EPA and the PC crowd are also banning wood stoves…
EPA’s Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People
What is really wonderful is New England is closing nuclear plants too and at the same time refusing to allow natural gas pipeline. I am sure they are counting on the Hydro from Niagara Falls except Quebec is also very PC and is ALSO counting on the Hydro. (Snicker)
6 [New England] Nuclear Plants That Could Be Next To Shut Down
…Nuclear energy currently generates 19 percent of our nation’s electricity. If all 38 units at risk were prematurely retired, about one-third of our nuclear fleet would be shut down…
Here is the story on Pipeline Protesters:
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” – H. L. Mencken
Looks like the people of Fitchburg are working on it.
Boy am I glad I am out of there!
“What is really wonderful is New England is closing nuclear plants too and at the same time refusing to allow natural gas pipeline.” Yep and at the same time their demand for natural gas is increasing because of the conversion from heating oil to gas for home heating.
Nearby folks are also protesting a propane depot.
And in my neck of the woods, they are protesting an 800MW natural gas plant located in an industrial park at the intersection of a gas pipeline and high tension powerlines. Somehow they’ve gotten the impression that there will be pure soot coming out of the stacks, never mind that thousands of people in the affected area burn natural gas in their houses. Idiots.
You’d think they’d get the message that we need new plants with electrics rates doubling this year.
The Worcester MA Telegram, not too far from Fitchburg. Looks like it is time to put a bug in the ear of my Brother-in-law. He is editor for one of the papers in your neck of the woods….
NAH, I will just tell him to make sure he has a good whole house generator and plenty of fuel. It is about time the Peoples Republic of Taxechusetts did a crash and burn.
Speaking of blackouts to come, listen to this:
Europe plunged into energy crisis as Russia cuts off gas supply via Ukraine:
Russia cut gas exports to Europe by 60 per cent today, plunging the continent into an energy crisis ‘within hours’ as a dispute with Ukraine escalated. This morning, gas companies in Ukraine said that Russia had completely cut off their supply.
Six countries reported a complete shut-off of Russian gas shipped via Ukraine today, in a sharp escalation of a struggle over energy that threatens Europe as winter sets in. Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, Romania, Croatia and Turkey all reported a halt in gas shipments from Russia through Ukraine. Croatia said it was temporarily reducing supplies to industrial customers while Bulgaria said it had enough gas for only ‘for a few days’ and was in a ‘crisis situation’.
The UK is suffering one of its coldest nights this century with temperatures plunging to as low as -10C…
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Wow, throughout all of Europe because of
global warminger “climate change” they’ve ransacked their own energy producing capabilities in favor of whimsical costly virtually worthless green energy like wind. The chickens now come home to roast. In the dead of winter. Lol.
Are you sure this happened recently or instead in Jan. 2009 ? Careful of news stories with absolutely no dates on the page for verification.
Russia to Shift Ukraine Gas Transit to Turkey as EU Cries Foul
Bloomberg – 20 hours ago
10 hours ago:
Putin Strikes Back: Russia Cuts Off European Gas Supplies
THANKS FOR THE LINK. THE ONLY ONES THAT WOULD BE “ALLOWED TO LIVE” IN THIS WORLD AS WE KNOW IT, ARE THE ELITE. WISH PEOPLE WOULD REALIZE, THAT NO ONE IS ON THEIR SIDE.
Believe me most at this site have figured that out.
(un)Scientific (un)American has been a Marxist tool for a long time now I dropped my subscription years ago over their Marxist redistributionist Econ broadsides and then the CAGW nonsense.
“SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN” Indeed! (sarc)
Not Stupidity, pure carefully contrived PROPAGANDA!
The BBC censorship scandal has reared it’s ugly head again. It has now come out that the ’28-gate’ conference was funded by the Tony Blair government. (Tony Blair was head of the Fabian Society.)
List of the ‘Twenty Eight ‘Advisors’ to the BBC that shaped it’s policy of Censorship. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/12/breaking-the-secret-list-of-the-bbc-28-is-now-public/
Of interest are these two quotes:
“It has had a major impact on the willingness of the BBC to raise these issues for discussion. Joe Smith and I are now wondering whether we can help other journalists to perform a similar role in countries round the world” – Roger Harrabin
“The seminars have been publicly credited with catalysing significant changes in the tone and content of BBC outputs across platforms and with leading directly to specific and major innovations in programming,” – Dr Joe Smith
So after the BBC ‘experiment’ in propaganda they decided to export the same censorship and propaganda to “help other journalists to perform a similar role in countries round the world”
As I said pure carefully contrived PROPAGANDA exported around the world.
I canceled Scientific American, when they gave Jeffrey Sachs a monthly column to spout Marxist bullshit, in what is supposed to be a science publication. Since Marxist liberals are too stupid to understand science, who actual supports these propaganda rags and keeps them in business?
It is worth recalling that “Scientific American” published the Stephen Schneider hit piece on Bjorn Lomberg’s “Skeptical Environmentalist” back in 2002 – so they’ve been propagandizing for many years
used to love the math puzzles in the 60s
But eventually even Martin Gardner went off the tracks.
“Radiative transfer models used in climate models show that 2 PPM methane has almost no effect on Earth’s radiative balance”
Given that atmospheric methane concentration are given in PPB (parts per billion) and it has a very short half-life, this is just another bit of alarmist industrial sabotage.
I’m a fan of this. Methane is far more useful to us as a fuel to burn than released into the atmosphere. Same reason we shouldn’t (and generally don’t) flare it.
Anyone catch George Will’s column yesterday (Wed. 1/14). He high lighted two recent books that detail the dramatic historical events that occured during (and as a direct result of) the dramatic natural [i.e., before CO2 and human activities started causing them 🙂 ] changes in climate that brought on by the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age. Both fact based books pretty much blow the current alleged human driven crisis out of the water. “The Third Horseman: Climate Change and the Great Famine of the 14th Century” by William Rosen, and “The Global Crisis: War, Climate Change & Catastrophe in the 17th Century” by Geoffery Parker, a history professor at Ohio State.
What’s pkanned next is they’ll stop rigging the data and graphs will begin showing cooling trends — “thanks to climate change policy and regulations.” Just watch.