Back To The Future At The Vatican

In a stunning repeat of the 16th century, the Pope has announced that humans are the center of the climate universe.

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The Vatican has a well known record of excellence when stepping into scientific matters, like when they burned Giordano Bruno at the stake for saying that Earth is not the center of the universe.

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59 Responses to Back To The Future At The Vatican

  1. schauminator says:

    No one should be surprised after all what’s the difference between the Papal Jesuits , Zionist and the phony Jews.

  2. gator69 says:

    Contrary to popular belief (public school brainwashing)…

    “The relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science is a widely debated subject. The church has been called “probably the largest single and longest-term patron of science in history.”[1] It has founded schools and universities and conducted medical and other scientific research over many centuries. Catholic scientists, both clergymen and religious sisters as well as lay people, have led scientific discovery in many fields. In his 1996 encyclical Fides et Ratio Pope John Paul II wrote that “Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth.” Conversely, the conflict thesis, was developed in the United States in the 19th century and retains some pop-culture currency. It proposed an intrinsic intellectual conflict between the Church and science.

    Even before the development of modern scientific method, Catholic theology did not insist on a literal interpretation of biblical text that might, as St Augustine wrote in the 5th century, contradict what can be established by science or reason, thus Catholicism has been able to reinterpret scripture in light of scientific discovery.

    The Catholic contribution to the development of the sciences has been formidable. From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single greatest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world. Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained the last bastions of scholarship in Western Europe. During the Middle Ages, the Church founded a well integrated international network of Cathedral schools and Europe’s first universities, producing a fine array of scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas who helped establish scientific method. During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedral architecture.

    Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists (many of them clergymen) have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields – including physics (Galileo), acoustics (Mersenne), mineralogy (Agricola), modern chemistry (Lavoisier), modern anatomy (Vesalius), stratigraphy (Steno), bacteriology (Kircher and Pasteur), genetics (Mendel), analytical geometry (Descartes), heliocentric cosmology (Copernicus) atomic theory (Bošković) and the Big Bang Theory on the origins of the universe (Lemaître). Jesuits devised modern lunar nomenclature and stellar classification and some 35 craters of the moon are named after Jesuits, among whose great scientific polymaths were Francesco Grimaldi and Giambattista Riccioli. The Jesuits also introduced Western science to India and China and translated local texts to be sent to Europe for study. Missionaries contributed significantly to the fields of anthropology, zoology and botany during Europe’s Age of Discovery. The Church’s patronage of sciences continues through elite institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Vatican Observatory.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science

    It is Progressives who are the real Regressives, and it appears the current Pope is a Progressive.

    • And it’s Progressive “pop culture” behind the Bruno counterfeits.

      • Robert B says:

        Michael J. Crowe, The Extraterrestrial Life Debate 1750–1900, Cambridge University Press, 1986, p. 10, “[Bruno’s] sources… seem to have been more numerous than his followers, at least until the eighteenth- and nineteenth-century revival of interest in Bruno as a supposed ‘martyr for science.’ It is true that he was burned at the stake in Rome in 1600, but the church authorities guilty of this action were almost certainly more distressed at his denial of Christ’s divinity and alleged diabolism than at his cosmological doctrines.”

    • There is no substitute for victory. says:

      Gator, is that Galileo you mention the same Galileo who Pope John-Paul the Twice apologized to in 1992 because the Church convicted him for the dastardly crime of Suspected Heresy? “That” Galileo escaped the same punishment that Giordano Bruno received simply because “that” Galileo craw fished his way out of “a hot time in the old town tonight” by saying that he did not believe the things that he wrote in his next to last book. Giordano Bruno was not so lucky, so perhaps he was made of sterner stuff.

      But in order to be absolutely, positively, certain that Bruno did not spread any of his vile false doctrine from atop his execution pyre, the Pope also ordered that Giordano Bruno’s tongue be sewed to the flesh inside his cheeks, and that his lips be stitched together. That would seem to me to preclude Giordano Bruno from having the satisfaction of giving His Holiness the raspberry. But not to worry, the Church has never apologized for the mistakes made in Bruno’s trial.

      • gator69 says:

        I did not mention Galileo. I quoted a Wiki page on the support the Catholic Church has shown for science over the ages. Let me quote the footnoted passage from Wiki…

        The church has been called “probably the largest single and longest-term patron of science in history.”

        Are you suggesting that we should listen to academia today, or the IPCC?

      • Robert B says:

        Galileo was put under house arrest by Pope Urban VIII who was supposed to be a friend and defended Galileo in the first inquisition. That one merely forbid anyone to write that the Earth did revolved around the Sun but not the mathematical model of the Earth revolving around the Sun ie. it was OK if it was purely science and not theology because Galileo was also arguing that the it was consistent with scripture.

        The second one resulted because Galileo had the opportunity to put forward his arguments in a publication (the printing would have been paid for by the RC) and he chose to make fun of the Pope.

        I thought people on this site liked to delve into things deeper.

        • Byron says:

          Galileo was His own worst enemy , He had the support of the pope Urban VIII and the Jesuit colleges plus Johannes Kepler’s offer of assistance to “debug” some some of the mathematical problems with Galileo’s hypothesis . He could have used the support and input of His contemporaries to advance science by fixing the holes in His theory ( circular orbits and one tide per day )* and put forward a complete heliocentric model , instead He chose to insult and vilify everyone around Him and did it on the churches dime .

          *( Kepler had mathematically established elliptical orbits for most visible planetary bodies and proposed a mysterious force exerted by celestial bodies on one another which explained tidal movement , Kepler’s work was the foundation for Isaac Newton’s theory of universal gravitation )

        • I’m shocked, shocked, to find that man’s nature and politics played a role in this case of selfless and pristine science.

    • I. Lou Minotti says:

      Always enjoyable and enlightening to read your comments, Gator. Happy new year, and good health and wealth to you and yours.

      • gator69 says:

        Happy New Year Lou!

        “Let us have wine and women, mirth and laughter, Sermons and soda-water the day after.”
        -Lord Byron

  3. DMS says:

    Stick to the climate numbers, not Church history. There’s a lot more to the Bruno story than that.

    • stewart pid says:

      Was he sleeping with the pope’s choir boy??

      • _Jim says:

        ‘stew’, maybe you spout from ignorance or outright anti-Catholic bigotry, but in any case wiki ‘gets it right’ for a change:

        Beginning in 1593, Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges including denial of several core Catholic doctrines (including the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, and Transubstantiation). Bruno’s pantheism was also a matter of grave concern.

        Those are core theological beliefs, BTW, of the church. Just as you probably hold the Constitution and at least the first 10 amendments in high regard (as do I) the Church holds those items which Bruno attacked in high regard too.

        I’ve also got you listed as unable to comprehend the difference between sarcasm and straight material, ‘stew’, so just to make it clear the above was _not_ sarcasm.

        .

        • stewart pid says:

          ooo …. Jim has me “listed” …. is that like double secret probation?
          Relax Jim, I’m not the bender who is bung holing the little boys, it is your crew that commits these acts and then denies them for years and hides the culprits away etc etc.

      • gator69 says:

        Jim is right about your bigoted comment Stew, the average priest is no more likely to molest a child than you or me, and likely less so.

        “Sexual abuse of minors is not the province of the Catholic Church alone. About 4 percent of priests committed an act of sexual abuse on a minor between 1950 and 2002, according to a study being conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. That is roughly consistent with data on many similar professions.

        An extensive 2007 investigation by the Associated Press showed that sexual abuse of children in U.S. schools was “widespread,” and most of it was never reported or punished. And in Portland, Ore., last week, a jury reached a $1.4 million verdict against the Boy Scouts of America in a trial that showed that since the 1920s, Scouts officials kept “perversion files” on suspected abusers but kept them secret.

        “We don’t see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else,” Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told Newsweek. “I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others.”

        Part of the issue is that the Catholic Church is so tightly organized and keeps such meticulous records — many of which have come to light voluntarily or through court orders — that it can yield a fairly reliable portrait of its personnel and abuse over the decades. Other institutions, and most other religions, are more decentralized and harder to analyze or prosecute.”

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602026.html

        So in other words, by saying this about priests you are being a bigot whether you know it or not. Just trying to clear things up, and help a fellow skeptic out with facts. Maybe it was just a joke, but again, Jim is not wrong.

  4. emsnews says:

    The Catholic church also burned witches but then, so did the Protestants, too.

    Everyone was burned at the stake for the most idiotic and ideological reasons. Plenty of excuses for burning people. This burning at a stake fad happens to coincide with the Little Ice Age!

    • _Jim says:

      Yeah, right, and we determined you quite some time ago to be an idiot …

    • stewart pid says:

      emsnews …. Jim’s invisible friend has sent him on a fatwah this AM to slag us all 😉

    • Robert B says:

      “The Catholic church also burned witches”
      Never. It was blasphemous to think that someone was a witch. Protestants executed witches by hanging or drowning. It was very rare for a witch to be burnt. That was for heretics.

      If you look at the examples of execution of witches, that were few, they dealt with mind altering of the victim. They were drug dealers.

  5. RMB says:

    What the pope needs to do is test the hypothesis. Try “heating” water through the surface He’ll find it can’t be done. God got there first with surface tension. Radiation yes. “Heat” no.

    • People boil water in microwaves every day. Enough of this nonsense.

      • gator69 says:

        I have two 1 cup glass measuring cups, one for the microwave and the other not. The cup I use in the microwave is old and the glass is not perfectly smooth, like the other. I used the wrong cup to heat water just yesterday, and it erupted, but it wasn’t as bad as this…

      • A C Osborn says:

        You didn’t read that comment correctly Steven, he said “Radiation yes. “Heat” no”.
        Microwaves use radiation, not “heat”.
        Try using a Hair Dryer instead and see how well it does.

  6. gator69 says:

    This Pope is certainly no Libertarian…

    “ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (AP) — Pope Francis said Thursday there are limits to freedom of expression, especially when it insults or ridicules someone’s faith.

    Francis spoke about the Paris terror attacks while en route to the Philippines, defending free speech as not only a fundamental human right but a duty to speak one’s mind for the sake of the common good.

    But he said there were limits.

    By way of example, he referred to Alberto Gasparri, who organizes papal trips and was standing by his side aboard the papal plane.

    “If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch,” Francis said, throwing a pretend punch his way. “It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/pope-charlie-hebdo-limits-free-expression-121639260.html

    A wolf in Papal regalia and insignia.

    • Gail Combs says:

      There Are 1.5 Million Muslims in Italy. Perhaps he does not want the Vatican to become World Trade Center II. Of course appeasement has never worked on bullies.

      In Italy the ranks of Christians who have converted to Islam are swelling daily.

      ISIS Five Year Plan: link

      Italy may very well be in the ISIS ‘Ten year plan”
      Islam in Spain: 800% population increase in mere 13 years ( Moroccans, Algerians, Senegalese and Pakistanis)

      The EU must be absolutely nuts to be inviting these wolves into their homes!

      • gator69 says:

        Of course appeasement has never worked on bullies.

        Large or small.

        “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
        -Winston Churchill

        • Gail Combs says:

          GOOD ONE!

          That is a perfect description.

          Every PC progressive really needs a big brother who beat the crap out of them just because they could. Gives you a really good understanding of ‘Might Makes Right’ and bullies will go away if you stand up and HURT them.

          Mom was quite surprised to come home from shopping one day and find me sitting on my 6 foot 6 inch, 19 year old brother. I was twisting his toe every time he tried to move. (I was ten years old and weighed less than a hundred pounds.) It was the last time the S.O.B. laid a hand on me.

      • Beale says:

        I find nothing in the article headlined “Islam in Spain: 800% population increase in mere 13 years” which justifies the headline.

        Where do you get the figure of 1.5 million Muslims in Italy?

        Is it possible that many of the immigrants to Europe from Muslim-majority countries want precisely to escape from Islam?

    • leftinflagstaff says:

      “You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”

      Ummm, Pope, buddy, your faith alone insults the faith of these ‘others’. Maybe you should try a shoe repair shop when you give up your current job. Fixin’ shoes might not offend ’em.

  7. Anto says:

    The pope’s a nice guy, but by God, he’s dickhead!

    • Anto says:

      Anyway, let’s all take a break from the worldwide idiocy and listen to some truly good music! The Black Crowes invited Jimmy Page along for a jam:

  8. Don says:

    The real reasons why Bruno was condemned.

    ***************************************************************

    But the truth is that Bruno’s scientific theories weren’t what got him killed. Sure, his refusal to recant his belief in a plurality of worlds contributed to his sentence. But it’s important to note that the Catholic Church didn’t even have an official position on the heliocentric universe in 1600, and support for it was not considered heresy during Bruno’s trial.

    On top of that, his support for Copernican cosmology was the least heretical position he propagated. His opinions on theology were far more pyrotechnic. For example, Bruno had the balls to suggest that Satan was destined to be saved and redeemed by God. He didn’t think Jesus was the son of God, but rather “an unusually skilled magician.” He even publicly disputed Mary’s virginity. The Church could let astronomical theories slide, but calling the Mother of God out on her sex life? There’s no doubt that these were the ideas that landed Bruno on the stake.

    http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/giordano-bruno-cosmos-heretic-scientist

    • Robert B says:

      “Satan was destined to be saved and redeemed by God”

      Satan is not seen as evil by some people. It was translated by Alexandrian Jews into Greek well before Jesus as Diabolos + slanderer or accuser. The stories are clear, the worst evil is caused by those who hiss in other peoples ears to cause trouble.

      There is a lot of people pushing that its just clever rather than immoral and Satan was doing the work of God. Does “ad homs” remind you of anyone.

  9. Don says:

    So we have accusations that what Francis said is appeasement, yet when the Church defends the Faith various Popes are attacked for that as well. Which is it?

    There would be no West as it has been if at several points in history the Church had not stood against Mohammedism, and fought it. Lepanto, Vienna, come to mind, Protestants were mostly if not completely absent in those crucial battles, some even went to war singing they’d rather become Mohammedans than serve the Pope. That Francis himself may not realize this is a real problem.

  10. Snowleopard says:

    IIRC the Catholic church has consistently promoted an increase in the population, especially the population of its members. Now the pope is aligning the Church with the warmists, most of whom support population reductions to a small fraction of current Why?

    • Gail Combs says:

      Politics.
      At this point Maurice Strong or rather his wife is advocating a consolidated one world religion and the Pope wants to make sure the Catholic church is in a place of power in those negotiations.

      Unfortunately my old link to the Aspen Institute is long gone and now they are being coy and using baffle gab to obscure what they are up to as far as building a new religion. They now call it “Principled Pluralism”. This older article gives a glimpse: Global Religion for Global Governance — THE ASPEN INSTITUTE

      Strong is connected to the Aspen Institute:

      Energy and Environment Program
      History of the Program

      The Energy and Environment Program is one of the oldest programs at the Aspen Institute. The Program on Environment and the Quality of Life, the predecessor of the Energy and Environment Program, and the first home-grown Institute policy program, was launched with an environmental workshop in 1970. Subsequent summer workshops with broad topics were held in subsequent years. In 1970-1972 Maurice Strong and Robert O. Anderson, Aspen’s chairman at the time, utilized the workshop to create an alternative agenda for the first UN Conference on the Human Environment in Stockholm.

      In 1977 the Program shifted its emphasis to energy with the first annual Energy Policy Forum, which has continued to this day….
      (wwwDOT)aspeninstitute.org/policy-work/energy-environment/our-program/history-program

      This is the Crestone the next quote talks about:
      http://www.transition-dynamics.com/crestone/9crestonecolorado.html

      The Manitou Foundation Mission

      A Place Of The Heart

      To donate land in the Crestone/Baca area of Colorado to representatives of world religions, mystical and traditional, particularly those with unbroken lineages, for the establishment of Centers that –

      perpetuate the ancient tradition of peoples of many tribes journeying here for a sacred connection to the Earth, and deepening of their spirituality.

      provide retreat centers for people of various faiths for this purpose.

      provide teachings and resources for the preservation and practice of the world’s great wisdom traditions.

      To donate land for the establishment of centers in Crestone/Baca Colorado, offering educational programs & projects for children, youth & adults, that
      facilitate Earth stewardship activities of restoration, conservation and preservation.
      demonstrate models of human community sustainability, utilizing alternative, environmentally appropriate building and agricultural technologies.

      To administer a land preservation program, including
      setting aside the majority of land (900 of 1,400 acres) held by Manitou Foundation, in the foothills of the Sangre de Cristo Mountains to preserve their pristine quality and protect the natural plant and wildlife ecosystems.

      identification and protection of the abundant historical, archeological and sacred sites on Manitou Foundation and grantee land.

      To network with individuals and organizations – locally, nationally and internationally to facilitate the above mission objectives.
      (wwwDOT)manitou.org/MF/mission.php

      A bit of the history behind The Manitou Foundation

      ….Within months, she [Hanne Strong] had become one of the main supporters of Chief Robert Smallboy, who had led a band of Cree from the Hobbema Reserve, south of Edmonton, back to the wilderness to relearn their ancient spiritual practices. She credits his medicine ceremonies with curing her youngest daughter, Suzanne, of cancer….

      Hanne Strong is not above plying her own brand of miracle. Before Trudeau patriated the Constitution from Britain in 1982, she introduced Smallboy to London religious leaders and the press in a drive to win the inclusion of native rights. When Maurice Strong refused to arrange a meeting for Smallboy with Pope John Paul 11, she wangled one herself. They flew off to Rome, leaving her husband in London to field an irate call from the prime minister, demanding what they were up to. She hoots at the memory: “Maurice said, ‘Well, we’re just hosting our Indian friends.’”

      Smallboy was not the only metaphysical messenger in Alberta. Soon after her arrival, a dozen Tibetan Lamas landed at the Strongs’ ranch. By the end of their week-long stay, Hanne’s youngest sister, Marianne, then 17, and most of her family had converted to Buddhism….

      As soon as she glimpsed the stark beauty beyond the company’s failed Crestone retirement village, she announced that she was home. “I just felt that I’d been here before,” she says. On the next flight in, a Ute Indian spiritual leader told her that his ancestors had called the place the Bloodless Valley, because no wars had ever been fought there. The Hopi had used it only for sacred ceremonies. Three months after her arrival in 1978, as she tells it a wild-haired 80-year-old named Glenn Anderson, dubbed “the Prophet” by the locals, knocked on her ranch house door with the words: “So you’ve finally come.” He proceeded to spell out a vision he had received, she says, that a woman Eke her would preserve all the world’s faiths in the valley against some imminent doomsday.….

      • Gail Combs says:

        I should add that the “Principled Pluralism” of the Aspen Institute probably has a lot to do with the attacks on Christianity here in the USA.

        It was founded in 1950 and since then we have seen the Lord’s Prayer kicked out of our schools and most other Christian symbols and institutions kicked out of public places.

  11. Truthseeker says:

    Isn’t dogma wonderful …

  12. Psalmon says:

    These stake burnings would bring in some huge ratings today. Maybe they could get some good sponsors here in the US like Kingsford Charcoal or First Alert smoke detectors. Beer is always a good sponsor too. I mean who doesn’t want a brewski and watch a guy burned at the stake.

  13. Billyjack says:

    Actually, the record is quite clear. Prior to 300 AD we had the Greek and Roman culture. In 300 AD Constantine merged Pagan and Christian religions to form the Roman Catholic Church, which ushered in the dark ages which ended all scientific progress for virtually 800 years. Looking at where we are today and what to expect 800 years from now really puts the loss of 800 years of progress in perspective. Of course this makes sense since the new religion of Global Warming also intends to usher in a new dark age.

  14. John B., M.D. says:

    Unfortunately, Pope Francis, who grew up in a truly corrupt country, has taken the global warming religion to a whole new level. He’s a left-wing progressive / socialist, and will end up turning-off half his flock.
    Disclaimer: I’m Catholic.

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