Dana Nuttercelli Says There Never Was A Global Cooling Scare

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51 Responses to Dana Nuttercelli Says There Never Was A Global Cooling Scare

  1. Jason Calley says:

    No global cooling scare? “Hell, I was there!”

    The irony is that on a multidecadal or century scale, the “global cooling scare” is more likely to be true than its opposite.

    • Gail Combs says:

      +10000

      1974 CIA Report: “A Study of Climatological Research as it Pertains to Intelligence Problems”
      .

      .. Since 1972 the grain crisis has intensified…. Since 1969 the storage of grain has decreased from 600 million metric tons to less than 100 million metric tons – a 30 day supply… many governments have gone to great lengths to hide their agricultural predicaments from other countries as well as from their own people…

      pg 9
      The archaeologists and climatotologists document a rather grim history… There is considerable evidence that these empires may not have been undone by barbarian invaders but by climatic change…. has tied several of these declines to specific global cool periods, major and minor, that affected global atmospheric circulation and brought wave upon wave of drought to formerly rich agricultural lands.

      Refugees from these collapsing civilizations were often able to migrate to better lands… This would be of little comfort however,… The world is too densely populated and politically divided to accommodate mass migration.

      Page 18 talks of coming glaciation.
      Scientists are confident that unless man is able to effectively modify the climate, the northern regions… will again be covered with 100 to 200 feet of ice and snow. That this will occur within the nexy 2,500 years they are quite positive; that it may occur sooner is open to speculation.

      page 22 states:
      The climate of the 1800s was far less favorable for agriculture in most areas of the world. In the United States during that century, the midwest grain-producing areas were cooler and wetter and snow lines of the Russian steppes lasted for longer periods of time. More extended periods of drought were noted in the areas of the Soviet Union now known as the new lands. More extensive monsoon failures were common around the world, affecting in particular China, the Philippines and the Indian Subcontinent.

      The Wisconsin analysis questions whether a return to these climate conditions could support a population that has grown from 1.1 billion in 1850 to 3.75 billion in 1970. The Wisconsin group predicted that the climate could not support the world’s population since technology offers no immediate solution. Further world grain reserves currently amount to less than one month; thus any delay in supplies implies mass starvation. They also contended that new crop strains could not be developed over night… Moreover they observed that agriculture would become even more energy dependent in a world of declining resources.

  2. Mac says:

    I’m glad Dana straightened this one out. When I thought I read that 1975 Newsweek magazine with the article about the coming ice age I must have been on mushrooms.

  3. He’s in denial. He needs to be to avoid the problems with his intransigent position that CO2 is evil.

  4. gator69 says:

    Dana and the rest of the kids at SkS are not old enough to remember the ice age scare. Hell, they still prefer video games to reality.

    • emsnews says:

      Hey, look at the Ford Torino Cobra in the S&M magazine! 🙂 I remember that car, my husband had one. CO2 big time! Didn’t stop the super cold weather back then.

      • gator69 says:

        Meet my 1969 Buick GS400 Convertible. Power top, power windows, and 400 cubic inches with ram air induction. Even Prius owners are jealous. 😉

  5. Bob Greene says:

    Right. Back in the early ’70’s I had a meteorology prof explain about how the northern part of the continent was going to be glaciated in the coming ice age (by 1985). When we started calculating the rate of glacial advance in miles per day, he got a bit red in the face. We didn’t bother with how much precipitation had to freeze to make that much ice. Also, such leading lights of science as Erhlich and Holdren were pushing the next ice age.
    https://www.masterresource.org/global-cooling-climate-change/the-global-cooling-scare-revisited/
    https://www.masterresource.org/global-cooling-climate-change/john-holdren-on-global-cooling-part-i-in-a-series-on-obamas-new-science-advisor-dr-doom/

    • emsnews says:

      Actually, when summer vanishes over Canada and the Northeast US, the snow didn’t melt. Glaciers didn’t ‘advance’, they formed in place with streams from the interior ice flowing out at the Mississippi river basin and Hudson River valley, for example.

      This is what makes it all so scary.

  6. Chip Bennett says:

    I’ve had alarmists try to tell me that, too. They’ve made a very Orwellian attempt to memory-hole that little bit of history – right along with the dust-bowl-era warming.

  7. bleakhouses says:

    Pop mechanics sure got Boston right! And that Torino, I had a 72 Torino Cobra Jet that 351 Cleveland CJ might have been singularly responsible for AGW if CO2 had anything to do with it; you could roll a golf ball through the intake ports. That thing took a huge chunk out of my college beer budget.

    • emsnews says:

      Yes, we had a black Ford Torino Cobra with the hood vent, etc. Drove it around NYC and the bottom rotted out so I screwed in a piece of plywood. The back windows leaked.

      But it hot rodded great! At traffic lights but also attracted the cops. 🙂

  8. mkelly says:

    Link is to Nimoy’s “In Search of Ice Age” show. Why produce a show if there was no scare?

    • Parma John says:

      Answer: “In order to whip up the scare.”

      Your question is not hypothetical, and it works today just as it did 40 years ago. “In Search Of” was one of the causes of the scare, exactly as were all of those rags that you see posted above. Most of the popular media is very good at scaring people.

    • Dave N says:

      The guy referred to as “Schneider” was obviously some actor; a paid shill of big oil sent back in time to talk to Mr Nimoy.

      Also, Tony went back in time, created false stories in Newsweek and infiltrated the CIA.

  9. The BBC had a program – at least I assume it was the BBC – and next day all my friends were talking about it. And we were still talking about it weeks later.

    Moreover, the first paper to mention “Global warming” was actually a paper on the global cooling scare which introduced the idea of “CO2 warming” as a way of explaining the lack of the predicted cooling from the camp century cycles.

    So, “Global warming” was literally born out of the global cooling scare!

    • Gail Combs says:

      It probably was BBC. Possibly Nigel Calder He was active at that time.

      Nigel Calder (1931-2014) spent a lifetime spotting and explaining the big discoveries in all branches of science, from particle physics to human social behaviour.

      … began his apprenticeship as a science writer on the original staff of the New Scientistin 1956. He became editor of that magazine in 1962. From 1966 until his death, he worked as an independent author and television scriptwriter. For his work for BBC-TV in scripting and sometimes presenting a long succession of “science specials”, filmed world-wide and typically 2 hours in duration with accompanying books, Calder won the UNESCO Kalinga Prize for the Popularization of Science. These and other programmes for BBC-TV spanned the years 1966 (“Russia: Beneath the Sputniks”) to 1981 (“The Comet is Coming!”).

      As a member of the Initiative Group for the Foundation Scientific Europe, Maastricht, from 1986 to 1989, he was general editor of its book Scientific Europe, with contributions from 92 distinguished scientists and engineers in 20 countries….
      https://calderup.wordpress.com/about/

      Nigel Calder would certainly have been the Go To Guy for a TV special and he did free lance for BBC.

      Milankovitch and the ice ages – welcome back to 1974

      Why am I chuckling? After he’d had misgivings about the Milankovitch theory of the comings and goings of the ice sheets, Luboš Motl now says in The Reference Frame:

      “… the Milankovitch orbital cycles do describe the glaciation cycles in the recent 1 million years very well and nothing else – CO2 or random internal variations – is needed to account for the bulk of the data.”….

      The reason for my chuckles is that the “change in perspective” that Roe adopts was available more than 30 years earlier in the first formal verification of Milankovitch, which I published in Nature in 1974. Using a pocket calculator, I simply assumed that the rate of change in global ice volume per thousand years was proportional to the difference between the summer sunshine at a high-ish northerly latitude and a level of sunshine at which the ice neither advances or retreats.

      I’ve formatted my paper to go on this blog. Some comments in passing. The paper was cited for a few years, but then forgotten because I wasn’t in the climate physicists’ club. I don’t regret choosing 50 North for the critical latitude, even though everyone else wants to go to the Arctic Circle. In Table 1 the match of dates for core stages 16 and 18 was much improved when the date of magnetic reversal was pushed back from 700,000 to more than 720,000 and perhaps even 780,000 years ago. (I kick myself now – I could have predicted that correction.) …..

      Extrapolation of the curve gives a first-order forecast (Fig. 2) for the ‘next’ ice age, which began 5,000 yr ago and will end 119,000 yr from now. Broecker and van Donk12 arrived at a broadly similar forecast by more general reasoning from the insolation predictions. This ice age looks like a relatively slow starter. The theory, though, is of widespread snow that fails to melt in the vicinity of 50 oN in summer, so that large areas of North America, northern Europe and the USSR will have to be encrusted with ice sheets during the next few thousand years, to fulfil the expectations of Fig. 2.

      I thank Dr N. J. Shackleton for suggestions and advice, and Professor H. H. Lamb for encouragement.

      The world is much diminished when we lost Nigel Calder last year.

  10. emsnews says:

    The ‘cooling/warming’ scares are like clockwork for the last 200 years. Our host has pointed this out via old newspaper stories going back to the Civil War. Always the same thing: It is going to get colder and colder and then it is going to infinite hot and back again as the 30 year cycle moves in and out of warm/cold phases.

    We are now most definitely entering the cooling part of this cycle. This week on my NY mountain it will be highs…HIGHS…at zero degrees F. This is insanely cold.

    • Parma John says:

      I suffer from this same problem a couple of times every day.

      I wake up in the morning to one temperature, only to find that it goes up and up during the day. Naturally extrapolating the day’s progression I have a nervous breakdown around 3PM, and I’m incapable of speaking as the rest of the afternoon confirms that we will all boil to death before the week is out.

      Then evening rolls around, and just as things are returning to a stable state the temperatures plunge inexorably toward (and sometimes beyond) freezing. By the time I hit the sack I can’t close my eyes, since my calculations tell me we will surely all be lifeless blocks of ice before the next day’s end. Exhausted and paralyzed by fear I finally pass out until the cycle starts over.

      Then there are those pesky seasons….

  11. jigawatt says:

    And ten years from now –> “There never was a global warming scare.”

    • Jason Calley says:

      +10 The warmist who truly believed (not the dishonest promulgators of the stuff) will probably say “Well, we just basing our opinion on the best information available at the time…”

      My planned response is, “No. If you were basing your opinion on the best information available, you would have been reading Tony Heller and E.M. Smith…”

  12. omnologos says:

    Remember even Wiki Mangler Connolley had to admit it: “By the early 1970s, when Mitchell updated his work (Mitchell 1972), THE NOTION OF A GLOBAL COOLING TREND WAS WIDELY ACCEPTED, albeit poorly understood“

    http://omnologos.com/greenfyre-loses-the-plot/

  13. Steve Case says:

    In the late ’80s – early ’90s the so-called Main stream Media ran Global Cooling/Nuclear Winter stories concurrently with Global Warming stories.

  14. philjourdan says:

    The problem with the idiots who claim that is that people are still around who remember it. Lies only work when there is no one around that remembers it, and the internet has a long memory.

  15. emsnews says:

    They openly talk about fixing us memory fanatics by literally killing us.

  16. catweazle666 says:

    Abstract. Effects on the global temperature of large increases in carbon dioxide and aerosol densities in the atmosphere of Earth have been computed. It is found that, although the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

    For aerosols, however, the net effect of increase in density is to reduce the surface temperature of Earth. Because of the exponential dependence of the backscattering, the rate of temperature decrease is augmented with increasing aerosol content. An increase by only a factor of 4 in global aerosol background concentration may be sufficient to reduce the surface temperature by as much as 3.5 deg.K. If sustained over a period of several years, such a temperature decrease over the whole globe is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age..

    Schneider S. & Rasool S., “Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Aerosols – Effects of Large Increases on Global Climate”, Science, vol.173, 9 July 1971, p.138-141

  17. Stephen Richards says:

    He was in his nappies at that time or he may even have been a little gamet.

  18. stpaulchuck says:

    are they that blatantly ignorant or is the Gruber in them too strong to resist??

    • ferdberple says:

      What is interesting is that the solutions proposed 40 years ago to solve global cooling are the same solutions being proposed today to solve global warming.

      Reminds me of the good old days in medicine. No matter what the ailment, the solution was bleeding. The solution to today’s problems? More taxes. Simply a modern form of bleeding, with just as much benefit to the patient.

  19. exmaschine says:

    Reblogged this on The Road to Revelation and commented:
    The level of fraudulence in Western governments is beyond the pale…

  20. tallbloke says:

    Dana wasn’t born when the cooling scare was mainstream. Therefore it didn’t happen.

  21. tallbloke says:

    Reblogged this on Tallbloke's Talkshop and commented:
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    Lol. Alarmist Guardian journalist gets pwned by Steven Goddard

  22. Reblogged this on contrary2belief and commented:
    An honest to goodness “climate denier”

  23. tabnumlock says:

    I’d say they were right.

    But there would be nothing abnormal about the temp spiking up +3C before plunging back into the next glacial period.

    • clipe says:

      Hubert Lamb said the same thing, sort of…

      “The last 20 years of this century will be progressively colder After that the climate may warm up again but only for a short period of decades”

    • Gail Combs says:

      Even SkepticalScience says ” The Eemian ended in a series of [thermal] pulses, the LEAP being one of them” before the descent into the Wisconsin Ice Age.

  24. Doug Proctor says:

    The past is what I remember; the future is what I predict. Everything else is what stupid people say.

  25. Ittiz says:

    First off I’d like to mention people usually use the wrong term. They are glacial and inter glacial periods. Ice Age refers to a time when there are large permanent ice/snow cover on earth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Glacials_and_interglacials so we have been in an ice age for at least the last few million years. The graphs of global temperature are pretty easy to interpret. If you look at the graph tabnumlock posted you can see the scientists in the video (In search of the coming ice age) may be right that the glacial period began at least a couple thousand years ago. If you look at the data for earth’s orbital parameters you can see we could be in for an glacial period similar to the one 400,000 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles This could be why most people’s climate models seem wrong. Since the Earth is trying to go into another glacial period, so the green house gasses aren’t having as much of a pronounced affect people would expect. We can only hope global warming saves our bacon.

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