Joe Romm Explains The Difference Between A Global Warming Snow And A Global Cooling Snow

In 2009, Obama had to rush back to DC from a global warming conference in Copenhagen, to beat the arrival of a blizzard. Joe Romm explained that this was a global warming blizzard, as opposed to a global cooling blizzard.

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As for the East Coast storm, my home in DC did get 18 inches of snow — although if this had been a true blizzard, I doubt my flight from Copenhagen on Saturday would have been allowed to land in Dulles airport and I wouldn’t of been able to get home 12 hours after I left Denmark.  Certainly temperatures in the DC area have been in the normal range over the past week — it’s only the precipitation that has been very anomalous

Was the “Blizzard of 2009” a “global warming type” of record snowfall — or an opportunity for the media to blow the extreme weather story (again)? | ThinkProgress

Last night Obama returned to another blizzard in DC during the coldest February 16 on record. Michael Mann and Kevin Trenberth say that this year’s blizzards are also global warming blizzards.

I had no idea that humans could be that stupid.

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40 Responses to Joe Romm Explains The Difference Between A Global Warming Snow And A Global Cooling Snow

  1. gator69 says:

    I have always known that they could be this dishonest. Stupid doesn’t usually pay well.

  2. Jimbo says:

    These folks are just a bunch of cold weather deniers. What’s the difference between these snowstorms and the ones from the 1960s and 1970s? They need to stop this already as the people in the north east aren’t laughing anymore – it’s moved onto anger.

    • annieoakley says:

      Everyone should be angry. We have been lied to over and over again.

      • gator69 says:

        And robbed and insulted over and over again. But at least we have thus far survived their evil devices, so we should speak for the dead as well.

        There is a special place in Hell for these scumbags.

        • Gail Combs says:

          As an Agnostic I certainly hope there is a hell and these people are head for it.

          I sometimes think that earth is Purgatory — a sorting out place — where those who are truly evil get to demonstrate it. The ClimAstrologists and many US and World Politicians have certainly provided convincing proof as to where their final residence should be.

  3. philjourdan says:

    THe all time record low for my area is -11. I have seen a forecast that ties that later this week. I have lived in the area almost 40 years. In 1984, it got down to -5 one day. BUt we have never had it as cold as this week.

    • Gail Combs says:

      They are now saying -1° F this Thursday and that is from Warmist Jeff Masters who always goes high. (His prediction has so far slid from +3° F to -1° F in the last few days)

      The average minimum for this area is +30 °F
      For this station we get the following records:
      10 8 °F (1979)
      11 10 °F (1899)
      12 6 °F (1973)
      13 4 °F (1899)
      14 -2 °F (1899)
      15 6 °F (1899)
      16 11 °F (1905)
      17 7 °F (1958)
      18 7 °F (1958)
      19 11 °F (1979)
      20 13 °F (1979)

      The Köppen Climate Classification is pased on plants.

      If the temperature goes up by one degree the Köppen climate classification moves north.

      You can see how the Köppen boundaries moved in the mid west of the USA over the 20th Century. You can see the first decade of the 20th century and the 1970s were the coldest. we are now repeating that.

      Do we really want to go back to the 1970s when the land that could grow corn and wheat was ~200 miles south of where it is now?

      Heck the major orchards in Florida have had to move south because the cold weather killed the trees.

      Cold is much more dangerous than warm. During the Holocene Climate Optimum it was 1 – 3°C warmer than it is today.

      Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic
      …. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded…

      • Gail Combs says:

        Let me make that more readable
        For this station in Mid North Carolina we get the following records:
        February 10th — 8 °F (1979)
        February 11th — 10 °F (1899)
        February 12th — 6 °F (1973)
        February 13th — 4 °F (1899)
        February 14th — -2 °F (1899) the only colder day
        February 15th — 6 °F (1899)
        February 16th — 11 °F (1905)
        February 17th — 7 °F (1958)
        February 18th — 7 °F (1958)
        February 19th — 11 °F (1979)
        February 20th — 13 °F (1979)

      • Jason Calley says:

        About ten miles south of me is the town of Orange Park, Florida. 120 years ago, there were commercial citrus groves there. Now you have to go about 100 miles further south.

        • gator69 says:

          My mother lives just south of Gainesville, and that was the classic orange grove growing zone of Florida for many years. Groves stretched to the horizon. She remembers stopping off there on trips from Atlanta to Miami in the forties and fifties, and the same roadside tourist trap is still there, but it is an art studio now. That area bulldozed down the commercial groves after the freeze of 1989, and it is horse country now. Only a few private groves remain.

        • Andy DC says:

          The center of the citrus industry around 1900 was near Jacksonville. Until the 1980’s freezes it was north and west of Orlando. Now mostly well south of Orlando. It is totally consistent with global warming (sarc).

      • Snowleopard says:

        “Do we really want to go back to the 1970s when the land that could grow corn and wheat was ~200 miles south of where it is now?”

        Do we have a choice? I seems that is where we are headed. The question is if this is a return to the 1970s temperatures for a similar period, or does it get colder and/or last longer?

      • larrygeiger says:

        Have you driven to Disney World on I-75? There used to be citrus from Leesburg to Orlando. Now it’s suburbia and slash pines.

        Also: “In America, commercial production of pineapples began in earnest in Florida in the late 19th century. In fact, for a short time, Florida was among the world’s most prolific producer’s of pineapple. However, by the 1930s, pineapple production in Florida began to fall off, largely due to changes in climate and increased competition from central America and Hawaii.”

        We can still grow pinapples here but they must be protected from the freezes.

      • Fred Harwood says:

        Including my favorite, the Temple orange, due to several years of Florida frosts.

      • Neal S says:

        I’ve got an idea on how the atmospheric CO2 could be greatly increased without having to burn lots of fuel. While I don’t think it would actually warm things up any, I do think it would be helpful to all sorts of plant life.

  4. EternalOptimist says:

    You have to give the warmistas credit for predicting 15 of the last 3 heatwaves, credit where it’s due

  5. sean2829 says:

    We didn’t have a blizzard. The wind was barely blowing. It was very cold for the DC area for snow, in the low to mid teens. It also didn’t snow much, 4 inches in 10 hours at night. But Fed workers got the day off none the less creating a 4 day weekend.

  6. jack morrow says:

    I don’t know how you can stomach this day after day. Must be frustrating to research this and find so many lies. Honest folks seem completely helpless trying to prevent all the bad things coming out of government.

  7. nielszoo says:

    There seems to be some correlation with government pay and celebrity. If you are involved in “research” that destroys freedoms, has dubious or non existent roots in basic physics and its outcome is to create massive government controls then the IQ of said researcher seems to drop to the level of the average politician… somewhere in the 90’s or so. It drops even further if said researcher is required to spend any time in front of a camera speaking to a “journalist.” In those cases the IQ seems to drop another 15 points or so to the average “journalist’s” level. This is a purely anecdotal theory, but it’s really tough to find a falsification for it.

  8. ren says:

    Forecast of ozone on the northern hemisphere on 18.02.15.

    The gate of the Arctic over North America.

    Pet owners should bring their animals indoors and make sure that they have proper bedding when temperatures dip below the 20-degree mark, as well as ensuring that they have water that is not frozen.

    • ren says:

      The current solar activity.

    • ren says:

      Waves in the upper stratosphere.

      A model of the stratospheric polar vortex.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Tell me about it.

      Now that it is finally up to 32F we are making sure all the livestock tanks are topped off again.

      For the goats and other smaller critters (my cats) we have to make sure the water is ‘warm’ That is use hot tap water to bring it up to a decent temperature. Always fun taking ice out of the tanks and topping off with warm water carried from the house when the ground has a few of inches of ice and the steps are a death trap. Thank goodness for crampons.

  9. Snowleopard says:

    Some ARE that stupid. A few say what they are paid to say. Some could figure it out if they bothered to think, but expressing a critical thought would out them from their social group, who get their opinions from media. Likewise some do know better but dissemble so as to fit in.

    I doubt that any level of cold that could develop in my lifetime will put a dent in the US warmest camp, even a frozen Potomac.

  10. NancyG says:

    Someone should point out to the author of that article that “of” and “have” are not interchangeable.

    • _Jim says:

      That, of course, is Joe Romm, described by Wiki as an “American author, blogger, physicist and climate expert“. One could now add illiterate to that description …

      I think what you spotted is a colloquialism often used by mid-westerners, a contraction in short form as “should’ve” but often written “should of” instead of the correct “should have”.

  11. kirkmyers says:

    The so-called scientists promoting this AGW (aka “climate change”) nonsense need to be shunned and banned from polite company. Citizens in some locales might consider a more traditional form of censure — tar and feathers and a rail.

    I don’t think we’ll rid ourselves of the AGW prophets of doom or their over-the-top crystal ball projections of planetary catastrophe until we throw a few of them in jail for defrauding taxpayers and looting the treasury.

  12. stpaulchuck says:

    it’s like The Onion has taken over the country

  13. au1corsair says:

    Wanna bet that they pray for summer–when lack of snow won’t be “lies used against” the Prophets of Global Warming?

  14. markstoval says:

    “I had no idea that humans could be that stupid.”

    Humans can be amazinly stupid. Take, for example, the average citizen’s trust in government in spite of centuries of evidence that government is not your friend. Consider that most people trust their own medical doctor without question in spite of the fact that all they do is feed you chemicals in a doomed attempt to treat the symtoms of the diesease. (and that is in addition to the fascist control of mediciene that causes costs to be outrageous)

    I have a lot more examples but the above should be enough to show that people are not always very smart. (as con men have always known)

  15. dennisambler says:

    These points are extracted from Working Paper 58, September 2004, Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research:

    “The Social Simulation of the Public Perception of Weather Events and their Effect upon the Development of Belief in Anthropogenic Climate Change”, Dennis Bray and Simon Shackley,

    “To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future.

    Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.

    Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change.

    We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming.”

    It seems the message went out…….

    You can read more about this here:
    “Global Warming – The Social Construction Of A Quasi-Reality”

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