Oregon Senator Blames Oregon Forest Fires On CO2

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The largest forest fire in US history occurred in Oregon, Washington, Montana and Idaho in 1910, when CO2 was 300 PPM.

During EPA Senate hearings some brainless Oregon Senator just blamed forest fires in Oregon on CO2, and said he wants to sue other states who generate CO2.

One of the expert responses to his statement was “that is due to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation” and Senator brainless immediately cut him off.

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35 Responses to Oregon Senator Blames Oregon Forest Fires On CO2

  1. omanuel says:

    It is time to move on.

    Thanks to the willingness of you and others to challenge dogma, the AGW bandwagon momentum was too weak to ignore reports of altered temperature data.

    Data were altered to hide the solar force that produced, in solar cycle #24, the lowest number of sunspots recorded since 1750.

    (Sunspots appear when powerful, deep-seated magnetic fields from the Sun’s compact core emerge through the photosphere, as explained in this 2002 paper on “Super-fluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate”, Journal of Fusion Energy 21, 193-198 (2002)]: )

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/r2352635vv166363/

    The AGW fiasco thus confirmed the secret decision in 1945 to save the world from nuclear annihilation by forbidding public knowledge of the energy (E) stored as mass (m) in cores of:

    1. Heavy atoms like Uranium
    2. Some planets like Jupiter
    3. Ordinary stars like the Sun
    4. Galaxies like the Milky Way
    5. The expanding Universe

    The lingering question is just this: Can dogmatic skeptics and believers work together to restore contact with reality by reversing the 1945 decision and by avoiding the selfishness that now threatens the survival and advancement of human society?

  2. Well, you can’t argue with science. CO2 has CARBON, and carbon is flammable, so adding CARBON to the atmosphere can only increase forest fires. Soon there will be so much CARBON in the atmosphere that if somebody strikes a match the wrong way, we will burn the whole planet up, just like Venus. You can’t argue with science.

  3. Disillusioned says:

    And, here I thought CO2 put out fires. Glad the senator set us all straight.

    The senator probably also thinks CO2 causes “desertification”.

    ROFLOL

  4. Andy DC says:

    I guess we should reward the states that have generated the most CO2 over the last 9 years, thus preventing any major hurricane from hitting the US.

  5. If the forest fires were caused by the PDO, then we should sue the Pacific Ocean. As the world’s largest ocean, it should be a responsible steward.

  6. Gail Combs says:

    When you think about it CO2 actually helps PREVENT nasty fires.

    Droughts are a major cause of run away fires. CO2 helps ‘drought proof’ C3 plants like trees by allowing them to keep the stomata closed more of the time. This means more water is retained and the H2O content of the plant is higher.

    So another lie bites the dust.
    ………

    Of course the big cause is idiot leftists who scream bloody murder if cutting and controlled burns are used to prevent large scale fires.

    As far as I am concerned there are several people who should be up on murder charges in Australia given the out of control Victoria Fires in the last decades. This was needless loss of life and property due to new ‘eco-friendly’ laws that do not allow the clearing of brush from around homes.
    February 8, 2009 Death toll rises from bushfires

    Eighty-four people are confirmed dead in Victoria’s bushfires, far surpassing the state’s toll of 47 in the 1983….

    The number of dead is likely to rise even further as blazes continue to ravage the state with almost 312,000 hectares affected. At least 700 homes have been destroyed – 550 of those in Kinglake and surrounding areas.

    Dr. Evans explains the problem.
    Fuel Loads Not Climate Change Are Making Bushfires More Severe

    People have been burning off to keep fuel loads low in Australia for thousands of years.

    Current fuel loads are now typically 30 tonnes per hectare in the forests of southeast Australia, compared to maybe 8 tonnes per hectare in the recent and ancient pasts. So fires burn hotter and longer. (The figures are hard to obtain, which is scandalous considering their central importance. There is also confusion over whether to include all material dropped by the trees, or just the material less than 6mm thick–it is mainly the finer material that contributes to the flame front.)

    The old advice to either fight or flee when a bushfire approached, and to defend property, only made sense when fuel loads were light. The fire wasn’t too hot, it was over in a few minutes, and we could survive. With the high fuel loads of today, fighting the fire is too dangerous in most cases.

    Eucalypts love fire, because it gives them an advantage over competing tree species. Eucalypts regenerate very quickly after a fire, much faster than other trees, so periodic fires ensure the dominance of eucalypts in the forest. Eucalypts have evolved to encourage fires, dropping copious amounts of easily flammable litter. Stringy bark trees are the worst, dangling flammable strings of bark that catch alight and detach from the tree to spread the fire a kilometer or two downwind….

    People will die and property losses will be high until we relearn these lessons and reduce fuel loads again.

  7. gator69 says:

    Right, because there were no forest fires before the industrial revolution.

  8. annieoakley says:

    Astounding ignorance everywhere one looks. Any truth is ‘cut off’. George Orwell and newspeak, the vocabulary grows smaller over time.

    • Gail Combs says:

      At this point I am so disgusted with the propaganda and lies coming out of the MSM and most of our ‘elected’ officials I want to toss all of them in jail without bail until we sort out whose did what and what lies they told.

      I am an Agnostic but there are times, and they are coming more and more frequently that I hope that Dante’s Ninth Circle of Hell for Traitors and Treachery is accurate.

      “In Dantes Inferno, traitors occupy the 9th level of Hell, closest to the center. Paul Gustave Doré (1832-1883) depicted Dante visiting with traitors trapped in ice.” link

  9. tabnumlock says:

    Forests naturally burn. If you don’t want forest fires, you need an unnatural, managed forest. The Germans figured this out centuries ago.

    • i lived eight years in Germany and was amazed at how beautiful their managed forests were; no underbrush that can dry + help a fire to spread quickly; i wish local state parks + forests were managed in such a way

      • gator69 says:

        I also lived in Germany for years, and the Förster’s took great care of the land parcels for which they were responsible, they put our Park Rangers to shame. The Black Forest is truly epic.

    • emsnews says:

      I lived in the Black Forest outside of Tübingen in Germany in 1968. The forests there are very carefully tended.

      • inMAGICn says:

        I don’t know about Germany, but the managed forest I visited in the Czeck Republic was sterile. The conifers were lovely, but the understory was lifeless. And there was no pine odor.

  10. Warren D. Walker says:

    Here is what part of the Big Burn looks like now, near Avery, ID. https://yy1.staticflickr.com/4142/4747000831_01b76de0a8_z.jpg

  11. DD More says:

    During EPA Senate hearings some brainless Oregon Senator just blamed forest fires in Oregon on CO2, and said he wants to sue other states who generate CO2.

    Doesn’t this idiot know the predominate wind is from the West (South – North). So what was the response from the Governor of the Great State of Pacific Ocean?

  12. John Robinson says:

    The incidence of wildfires has increased primarily because of unintended consequences of polices for decades by the Forestry Service, undisciplined logging the anti-logging wing to the Environmental Movement and the Endangered Species regulations. For decades the Forestry Service policy has been to immediately address and extinguish fire outbreaks thus curtailing low order ground fires from burning slow growing shade tolerant undergrowth. These fires are essential to the overall health by returning essential nutrients to the soil, removing the primary fuel source before the density increases in volume that causes the old growth trees to burn.
    In the case of the Sequoia tree the heat from these fires is an essential element of their seeding cycle, the heat causes seed release. The problem has occurred because the two primary tools for reducing the density of fuel in forests–controlled burning and disciplined logging–have been increasingly restricted by the Forest Service. Controlled burning of moderate stands of undergrowth–fires that would not be hot enough to harm larger trees–is no longer possible in many areas of the west, because the forest density is so great that foresters fear such fires could not be kept under control. Disciplined logging, which preserves forest health in privately owned forest lands, has been dramatically cut back in National Forests because of protests by a small but vocal group of anti-growth, anti-logging organizations with little or no expertise in forest management process. The anti-logging campaign has resulted in essentially the same outcomes.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Nice synopsis.

      It is what happens when emotional people with little expertise are allowed to over rule experts who know what they are doing.

      We are about to do the same to our electric grid. Oh Joy.

  13. gymnosperm says:

    Apparently he does not realize that CO2 is used in FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. Then again, if the CO2 caused the weeds to grow extra BIG, he might possibly be right. Yet Ferdinand Englebeen points out cogently that O2 (which actually encourages combustion) has been decreasing pretty much proportionately to CO2 increase in the atmosphere. His take is that this lead pipe cinches human responsibility for the increase. My own is that unfathomed biological activity in the oceans, which produce an identical isotopic signature, is at least partially responsible. My basis is the geological history of isotopic excursions which dwarf all possible human efforts. Nothing is certain. Nothing is simple.

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