Fighting Terrorism

On the left is ISIS burning a pilot alive. On the right is Hillary Clinton’s husband burning dozens of women and children alive in Texas in 1993.

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45 Responses to Fighting Terrorism

  1. Snowleopard says:

    As you point out, ISIS has the same high moral scruples demonstrated by some of our fearless leaders.
    Is this just coincidence?
    I’ve heard lots of rumors, many are in conflict with each other, and few can be verified.
    What is the validity, if any, of the various photos online showing McCain with ISIS leaders?

    • SxyxS says:

      Mccain pictures are 100% valid,
      but at that time the pictures were made isis did not exist and these terrorists have been called “free syrian army”
      -trained ,financed and equipped by the cia in Turkey and Jordania,
      similar to the guys who turned lybia into a shithole and turned the country from
      the richest and most developed states in Africa to a failed and torn state after ghaddaffi was removed and killed

      • AndyG55 says:

        ” and turned the country from the richest and most developed states in xxxxxxx to a failed and torn state ”

        And there you have it. It has happened way too often to be an accident !

      • Gail Combs says:

        Ghaddaffi stepped on the toes of his ‘Masters’ They sent Ex-prime Minister Tony Blair to warn him to comply OR ELSE. He did not comply so the Banksters took him out. Now the World Bank is putting one of their own in charge of Libya’s wealth.

        What a Surprise!

        Tony Blair ‘visited Libya to lobby for JP Morgan’:

        Tony Blair used visits to Libya after he left office to lobby for business for the American investment bank JP Morgan, The Daily Telegraph has been told.

        ….Mr Blair began work in January 2008 as a £2million-a-year adviser to JP Morgan. Last month, American officials told the New York Post newspaper that the bank managed more than half a billion US dollars on behalf of the LIA [ Libyan Investment Authority]….

        …The documents show that among the people he was due to meet in 2009 was Mohammed Layas, head of the LIA….

        Possible reason why Ghaddaffi was targeted.

        Gadhafi’s Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar

        It remains unclear exactly why or how the Gadhafi regime went from “a model” and an “important ally” to the next target for regime change in a period of just a few years. But after claims of “genocide” as the justification for NATO intervention were disputed by experts, several other theories have been floated.

        Oil, of course, has been mentioned frequently — Libya is Africa‘s largest oil producer. But one possible reason in particular for Gadhafi’s fall from grace has gained significant traction among analysts and segments of the non-Western media: central banking and the global monetary system….
        According to more than a few observers, Gadhafi’s plan to quit selling Libyan oil in U.S. dollars — demanding payment instead in gold-backed “dinars” (a single African currency made from gold) — was the real cause. The regime, sitting on massive amounts of gold, estimated at close to 150 tons, was also pushing other African and Middle Eastern governments to follow suit….

        And the other shoe drops…
        Libya’s $60bn fund recruits World Bank exec to restore calm
        Ahmed Ali Attiga to be appointed by $60bn Libyan Investment Authority as violence-hit country attempts to recover from Gaddafi era

        Libya’s $60bn sovereign wealth fund is close to appointing a senior executive at the World Bank in an attempt to restore the financial credibility of the crisis-hit African state, The Telegraph can reveal.

        Ahmed Ali Attiga is expected to be appointed as head of the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA) by the end of the year, following a nomination process that has been much delayed as the country remains embroiled in violence, in the wake of the civil war that toppled Muammar Gaddafi in 2011.

        Libya’s oil-dependent economy has been crippled by strikes at oilfields and by continued political instability and contracted by 9.4pc last year, according to the World Bank.

        The LIA, set up in the mid-2000s as Libya was brought in from international isolation, is tasked with investing the wealth accumulated during the Gaddafi years, but has been rocked by links to the old regime….

  2. gator69 says:

    Adding to the controversy, it has leeen confirmed that Lon Horiuchi was in charge of a sniper post where Texas Rangers recovered spent .223 and .308 shell casings.
    Horiuchi was the FBI sniper who fatally shot the wife of Randy Weaver, while wounding both Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris, during’ the federal standoff at Ruby Ridge in Idaho.
    The recovered shell casings would be consistent with government-issued sniper rifles. Horiuchi has denied that he or any members of his “team” fired any shots at Waco.
    The retired special operations expert said that during the siege at Waco, first lady Hillary Clinton operated a “crises center” at the White House, put together on her own initiative. Serving with her was another former member of the Little Rock law firm, White House Deputy Council Vincent M Foster Jr.

    Foster was later found dead under mysterious circumstances in a Virginia park across the river from D.C.

    According to Barry, it was from this “crises center” that word went out that there was “child abuse” by adult members of the sect, including leader David Koresh, at the Waco religious facility. This revelation about the part Foster played in the Waco tragedy has been confirmed by Mike McNulty, a producer of a documentary film on the siege. McNulty said he was told by Fosters widow, Lisa, that the White House attorney’s depression at the time of his death “was fueled by horror at the carnage at Waco for which the White House had given the ultimate green light.”

    McNulty also said that Forster was preparing a Waco report when he died. This has been confirmed by veteran British journalist, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, in his book the Secret Life of Bill Clinton. Pritchard wrote:
    The Branch Davidian siege was clearly on Fosters mind. He was “drafting a letter involving Waco” on the day of his death, surely a point of some significance. He kept a Waco file in the locked cabinet that was off limits to everybody, including his secretary. His widow mentions Waco twice in her statement to the FBI. Toward the end of his life, Foster had no sense of joy or elation at work. The Branch Davidian incident near Waco, Tex, was also causing him a great deal of stress. Lisa Foster believes that he was horrified when the Branch Davidian complex burned. Foster believed that everything was his fault.

    When asked about how the Delta Force action jibes with the Posse Comitatus Act, which outlaws the use of Army forces to enforce civilian law, Barry said: “That’s just it. It doesn’t jibe with Posse Comitatus.” A violation of Posse Comitatus is indeed “a high crime or misdemeanor,” which would be an impeachable felony offence.

    And if Clinton’s reasons for ordering the Delta Force attack at Waco are murky, the reasons for directing a cover-up are obviously not. Posse Conutatus clearly states that: “Whoever… willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a Posse Comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned for not more than two years.”

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=115

    • I. Lou Minotti says:

      Ruby Ridge occurred during King George I’s watch, (you’ll remember, “a thousand points of light” in a “kinder, gentler nation”). What absolute bullshit. This heavy-handedness simply continued under Bubba and his shack-bully Attorney General, Janet Reno.

      Who can forget the terror in this little tyke’s eyes?

      • gator69 says:

        My mother played basketball in High School with Janet Reno, the year they won the state championship. And my parents met in Miami, so this is all very familiar to me.

        • I. Lou Minotti says:

          I wrote that comment wrong. I should have written “Who can EVER forget the terror in that little tyke’s eyes, and what authority figure will he be able to trust in the future?

      • Latitude says:

        Attorney General, Janet Reno…..Deputy Attorney General. Eric Holder

    • … Posse Conutatus …

      Are you shifting to the left on us, Gator?

      • gator69 says:

        I am only following our founders.

        • I. Lou Minotti says:

          Since you mentioned our founders, did you happen to catch today’s top-notch article and video from another Floridian? Good stuff.

          http://clashdaily.com/2015/03/america-is-screwed-unless-we-the-people-get-baptized-in-our-founders-rebel-spirit/#

        • gator69 says:

          Great piece! Passed it along to my posse. Though I have not picked up my musket, I have sworn not to back down from the fascists, I will tell the truth no matter what.

          And on that note, I must correct you. I only lived in Florida in the 1960’s, when dad was an instructor at the University of Florida, and I assumed this moniker in his honor. I was actually born in France and retained dual citizenship until I signed up for selective service at 18. Thank God I chose wisely.

        • I. Lou Minotti says:

          Brother, our Lord chooses those who love and speak the truth, no matter the consequences.

          “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth” ~John 4:23-24

          You are a blessed man, sir, in my humble opinion. Your earthly father did his job by pointing you to our Heavenly Father. You chose wisely.

          A question: Will you be on Ted Cruz’s short list as a cabinet member? Perhaps the new “Minister of Common Sense?”

        • gator69 says:

          Thanks for the kind words! I am my father’s son, and our Father’s work in progress.

    • DD More says:

      Gator – Same playbook, same results.

      Top Pentagon officials and a senior Democrat in Congress so distrusted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2011 march to war in Libya that they opened their own diplomatic channels with the Gadhafi regime in an effort to halt the escalating crisis, according to secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.
      The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials’ unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence community’s concerns.

      Mr. Kucinich, who challenged Mrs. Clinton and Barack Obama for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, acknowledged that he undertook his own conversations with the Gadhafi regime. He said he feared Mrs. Clinton was using emotion to sell a war against Libya that wasn’t warranted, and he wanted to get all the information he could to share with his congressional colleagues.

      “I had facts that indicated America was headed once again into an intervention that was going to be disastrous,” Mr. Kucinich told The Times. “What was being said at the State Department — if you look at the charge at the time — it wasn’t so much about what happened as it was about what would happen. So there was a distortion of events that were occurring in Libya to justify an intervention which was essentially wrong and illegal.” Mr. Kucinich wrote a letter to Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton in August explaining his communications in a last-ditch effort to stop the war.
      “I have been contacted by an intermediary in Libya who has indicated that President Muammar Gadhafi is willing to negotiate an end to the conflict under conditions which would seem to favor Administration policy,” Mr. Kucinich wrote on Aug. 24.
      Neither the White House nor the State Department responded to his letter, he said.
      Numerous U.S. officials interviewed by The Times confirmed that Mrs. Clinton, and not Mr. Obama, led the charge to use NATO military force to unseat Gadhafi as Libya’s leader and that she repeatedly dismissed the warnings offered by career military and intelligence officials.

      In the recovered recordings, a U.S. intelligence liaison working for the Pentagon told a Gadhafi aide that Mr. Obama privately informed members of Congress that Libya “is all Secretary Clinton’s matter” and that the nation’s highest-ranking generals were concerned that the president was being misinformed.

      Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/#ixzz3VE4WFObp

  3. OT:
    Steve,

    you’ve gotta see this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/energy/2015/03/15319-boy-climate-change-video-white-house/

    Could you add a “Tips and Notes” section to your site so you can give things like this a wider audience?

    Thanks.

    • gator69 says:

      Six year olds are now ‘climate experts’? 😆

      Wait til he finds out there is no Santa, and that he already owes $1,275,447.

    • Doug says:

      “Through My Eye’s”? Seriously? Look, if you don’t even know how to plurals work in English, I’m not taking advice from you.

      Also, they should have retaken that opening scene with the big booger in his nose. Hard to take a climate expert seriously with that big ol’ booger.

  4. MrX says:

    Is that Waco? I saw a National Geographic show about the 90’s and there was one part about Waco. The funny part was at the end when they said that right wing extremists started blaming the government for the way it ended. They said it point blank “right wing extremists”. When asked what they believed in, the “right wing extremist” said he believed in freedom of religion, right to bear arms and abide by the constitution. They framed it as if this was some wacko belief system.

  5. Andy DC says:

    The Waco compound incineration was cold blooded murder of innocent women and children, plain and simple. The reason being that the raid was held on a day when the wind was very strong and coming from a perfect direction to engulf the compound instantly in flames with a wind tunnel like effect.

    There had been forecasts of high winds from the Weather Service for at least 2 days prior to the raid. In fact the day of the raid was windiest day in Waco for the month of April, up to that point. It isi impossible to conceive that these weather forecasts were not considered leading up to the raid.

    If they had waited just 2 days, the raid could have been held during calm winds and the lives of many innocents could have been saved.

    The Dividians were without any political alies at the time. The right saw them as demonic and anit-Christian. All the left cared about was covering Clinton’s ass.

    Some of the remarks after the event were totally outrageous, like a high Government official saying the children killed were children of sin and thus we should not grieve for them.

    The liberal black commentator, Carl Rowen was saying that he could care less about those that died a horrible death. If the victims were black, Rowen would have been screaming bloody murder. Virtually no one in the media even questioned the obvious brutal mass incineration of innocent women and children.

    • I. Lou Minotti says:

      Amen, Andy. Even if one doesn’t agree with another’s theology, there remains no excuse for anyone (especially the government), murdering people who just want to be left alone.

    • annieoakley says:

      And they could have questioned and maybe held David Koresh anytime he drove into town as he did so alone and daily.

      • Bob123 says:

        Correct. Which begs the question why? I think is answer is much more insidious than many may think. If you remember, this was the time that “the era of big government is over”. ATF was concerned about it’s long term existence with the budget cuts happening at the time. I think ATF was looking for a fight to justify it’s existence.

        • spren says:

          Bob, you are exactly correct that this was a publicity stunt by the ATF. The raid was completely unnecessary because agents went target shooting on several occasions with David Koresh, including just the week prior.

          Also, adding to Gator’s depiction of events, the government used CS gas on the compound. This chemical was banned by the Geneva Convention. The remains of the children were found contorted and bent over backwards with their heads touching their heels. They died horrible and excruciating deaths. We used chemical weapons on our own people! And Lon Horiuchi not only wasn’t punished after his actions in Waco and Ruby Ridge, he received promotions and pay increases.

        • nielszoo says:

          spren, The Geneva Convention bans the use of all chemical agents in warfare no matter what they are and that treaty was written long before the Brits invented CS in the 50’s. CS tear gas is the most widely used agent by law enforcement as it works better than the newer “pepper” sprays and the military also uses it for riot control. It’s the active ingredient in “mace” sprays as well. If you see a non-lethal spray that isn’t a pepper spray odds are it uses CS as the active agent. It’s actually a powder as 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile is a solid at room temperature. We were required to be gassed in academy and while not a pleasant experience, it isn’t fatal. Most of the military guys I know have also had the pleasure of being gassed during training.

          As for Waco, the position of those bodies had nothing whatsoever to do with the use of CS and more to do with the fire.

        • I. Lou Minotti says:

          Spren, can you provide a link to prove that what you just posted is true? It’s not that I want to disbelieve you, because I’m more than inclined to believe you, knowing our “government.” Post a link to your first-hand resources that Koresh was target shooting with the feds that eventually killed him. Now, that’s news!

        • Jason Calley says:

          Hey spren, it has been a long time since Waco, and I am operating on my memory here… Was the raid a stunt for funding? As I remember, the operation was named “Operation Showtime” and was done just prior to the Congressional decision on how much funding the ATF would receive for the upcoming year. And yes, Koresh was well known in town and could easily have been either arrested or interviewed without a raid. In fact, his church had already been inspected by state law enforcement shortly before with no problems encountered or illegalities found. As for the target shooting with federal agents, I have heard that. Here is an article which may or may not be correct:
          http://jimbovard.com/blog/2014/08/27/eric-holder-waco-coverup/
          “… only nine days before the ATF attack David Koresh had gone target shooting with three undercover ATF agents (whom he recognized as G-men). ”

          Yes, the CS gas used had been outlawed for warfare. Also note that the gas used was CS gas, NOT regular tear gas, CN gas. One of the difference is that CN gas is an irritant; it compels a person to flee and induces tears, nausea, etc. CS is not just an irritant. CS is an incapacitant. It induces just pain and problems in breathing that a person may simply collapse and be unable to run away. People with asthma may very well choke to death. CS gas is also very flammable and is not to be used in closed structures. Instructions also state that no more than one or perhaps two are to be used at any single time or the risk of permanent injury or death of its target is too high. The figures I read after the attack, was that the ATF fired three hundred (yes, 300) of CS into the building at which point they ran out. So they order more and fired another sixty or so into the building.

          While the building burned, the FBI stopped local fire trucks from reaching the fire. The fire trucks were stopped until the building was essentially completely consumed.

          Anyway… that is my memory of what happened. If anyone has more accurate info, feel free to correct me on any of it.

        • Jason Calley says:

          Slight corrections:
          “It induces just pain” should be “It induces such pain”

          “CS gas is also very flammable”
          I do not think that CS itself is flammable, but it is normally carried in a solvent or dispersal medium that is flammable.

  6. rah says:

    CS gas is nothing more than the military version of tear gas, PERIOD! Every damned soldier of my era that went through basic training has been exposed to it. So don’t make it out to be something it isn’t.

    The Chemical Weapons Convention of 1997 which resulted in the ban by the signatories, occurred AFTER WACO. I’ve been exposed to CS in controlled and uncontrolled environments and I think such a ban is pure leftist BS. And the use of Tear gas is still legal in the US.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not supporting or defending what happened at WACO. But there is a tremendous amount of total BS that has been flung about concerning that tragic event.

    • nielszoo says:

      Great minds think alike. You beat me by a minute on this subject. I always hated using it since it got into everything and once you sprayed the turkey you still had to restrain him so you ended up with the crap all over yourself. We had to wash our uniforms with a neutralizer and wipe down the back seat of the car with the stuff… but it did work as those were the days before Tasers.

      • rah says:

        Did you know that back when the Army called it NBC (Nuclear-Biological-Chemical) training the guys in certain MOSs having to do with that field were also exposed to blister agents? More than one old soldier showed me the scar on their wrists where they had been exposed to a drop of the stuff.

        Nothing like getting your own precious ass exposed to the stuff to have an understanding that you don’t want nothing to do with it and MOPP (Mission Oriented Protective Posture) is no BS.

        Even after basic training there were times that I had the area behind my ears bleeding from practicing donning the mask. Now you may not think that makes sense for an SF soldier but you would be wrong. During the era of the cold war we figured that if the bad guys knew the area we were in but didn’t want to commit the troops to kill us, saturating that area by air or artillery with a blister or nerve agent would be an easy way to “sterilize” the area. No threat to their own while taking a thorn out of their side. So we took that stuff seriously. I learned to play volley ball, shoot-move-and communicate, and even jump into a contaminated area wearing MOPP gear.

  7. I. Lou Minotti says:

    There were no Muslim terrorists early this morning on Union Lake in Millville, NJ. The only terrorists I encountered were the three chain pickeral and one largemouth bass that violently attacked my Rapala. It was a white Rapala.

  8. nickreality65 says:

    Drove to Phoenix south down I-25 past the Ludlow monument. Another little slice of Americana.

  9. Bob Knows says:

    In the 1990s there were TWO national Presidents who exterminated a whole village of their own people using internationally banned poison gas (WMD). Saddam Hussein and his assistant (Chemical) Ali were hanged for their crimes. William Clinton and his assistant Janet (Chemical) Reno are still at large. The women and children who died at Waco were killed by CS gas, according to autopsies. CS is also highly flammable in concentrations such as those used by Clinton and Reno.

    • Jason Calley says:

      Hey Bob Knows!
      The murder of the Kurds by Hussein is a well know bit of modern history — but it was not always history! Back in the early public days of the internet (1994? 1995?), I ran across a report done by the US Army War College and posted on their site. It concluded that the Kurds were NOT gassed by Saddam, but were gassed by the Iranians. Apparently both sides, the Iraqis and the Iranians were using poison gas, and the Kurdish village was caught between the two forces. The Iraqis had agents that were predominantly chlorine based but the Iranians had nerve agents. The War College concluded that the evidence was that the Kurds died from nerve agents.

      In 2002 when the big news push was to set up an attack on Iraq, I was surprised to hear that now all the reports were that “Saddam gassed his own people!” I thought the matter was settled back in the 1980s when the War College did their report. I went back to the US Army War College site and could no longer find the official report that it was the Iranians who did the murder. Doing some extensive digging I finally found a second report that referenced the first report — but that was the only trace I found and the original report was gone. (Perhaps I was a bit naive then, but I now know that when something interesting pops up that might be changed later, I save a copy at home!) Checking just now I find an article from 1998 cached in the Way Back Machine.
      http://web.archive.org/web/19990128154616/http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/11-18-98.html
      It references the old report and its conclusion that the Iranians were responsible.

      So, did Hussein gas the Kurds? I have no idea… When the Iraqis were our allies against the Iranians, the official story was that the Iranians did it. When we desired to go in to Iraq, the official story was that Iraqis did it… and that is sort of the point that I wanted to make. Anytime we get reports from governmental sources, we run the risk of being lied to. The story will change to support the prevailing wishes and yes, sometimes things DO, in fact, get scrubbed off the internet. Luckily, as more and more people copy and save information it becomes more and more difficult to do a good scrub job.

      (Just to be clear — regardless of whether Husssein did or did not gas his own people, he was a blight on the earth and the world is better with him dead. Sic semper tyrannis!)

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