Divestment Works!

Bill McKibben’s divestment program has brought his home state of Vermont their coldest year on record so far.

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Without fossil fuels, Vermonters would have cut down and burned millions of trees this winter to stay warm. According to President Obama, this would give millions of children asthma.

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We are truly dealing with the world’s stupidest people.

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55 Responses to Divestment Works!

  1. NavarreAggie says:

    Tony,
    I really wish it were just stupidity. Sadly, I’m not that naïve.

  2. Couldn’t Vermonters have warmed themselves with renewables, like wind? And the stronger the cold wind, the warmer they’d get?

  3. BallBounces says:

    Imagine what would be happening if the last line on the graph was going up instead of down. It would be full-throttle war-of-the-worlds panic. Mann would be running for President.

  4. Elaine Supkis says:

    According to Google, the most common search word in Vermont last winter was ‘firewood’. Everyone I know up there (I live very close to their border) was desperate for firewood last month because they ran out due to the super cold nights.

    I usually have an extra cord of wood for winter and this year I burned nearly all the firewood including the emergency cord.

  5. AndyG55 says:

    Fire wood smoke… now there’s a real asthma trigger. !

    Wood burning stove and adiabatic inversion = Smog in the morning.

    Better let Obummer know so he can stop people using it.

  6. FTOP_T says:

    With Massachusetts suing the EPA to limit CO2 and Vermont’s flawed logic, the record snow this winter shows nature is not without a sense of irony. I wonder how much colder New England winters will need to get before we finally address global warming for them.

    • Istasz put down the newest Scientific American on the neat stack by his chair, right next to his Rolling Stone magazines. He knew he had all the ammo he needed. He stood up and a strange tickle went up his leg as he zipped up his camo onesie. He checked the stash of ramen soup in his pantry and smiled ominously. You will regret it, he said to himself.

      He took a wet cloth from the sink and wiped the laminated posters behind his futon. Barack would kill it in a beret, he thought, as he walked back to the sink. It didn’t have to be close last time. Why didn’t Valerie let him wear it? He wondered how a beret would go with Hillary’s pantsuits. She should try fatigues on the trail, he thought, the troops would love it.

      He felt rested and ready. He sat down to his keyboard and cracked his knuckles. Deniers, he smirked, I will make you pay.

  7. istasz says:

    I will never stop deriving pure joy from seeing fools continue to conflate “weather” (e.g., the last two cold East Coast Winters (but incredibly warm on the West Coast)) with “climate”, which manifests itself as a long term warming trend caused by anthropic CO2 emissions.

    You guys can’t hope to be taken seriously, ever, really, unless you get this elementary distinction down. In fact, it’s hard to imagine what it would take for you guys to ever to gain credibility. But, then agin, nothing ever appear on this site but old newspapers articles picked in an ad hoc manner to meet your neoconservative agenda. Obama (and soon to be Hillary) haters, pure and simple.

    Let me guess, 99% of this audience stays awake at night fearing one World Government.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Guess what a wandering jet stream brings? A warm west coast and a cold midwest and east coast. And Lots and Lots of snow. Eventually if the weather pattern does not break you get a change in ‘climate’ that looks like this:

      Last I heard the Wisconsin Ice Age was not very warm…

      “… 99% of this audience stays awake at night fearing one World Government….”

      Again your ignorance of the real world is showing.

      Pascal Lamy was the director-general of the World Trade Organization from 2005 to 2013. He is a French Socialist and was a big wig in the EU. Recent skuttlebut is he may be the next EU president.

      Pascal Lamy: Whither Globalization?

      The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed.….

      All had lived through the chaos of the 1930s</b. — when turning inwards led to economic depression, nationalism and war. All, including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty — rooted in freedom, openness, prosperity and interdependence….

      So a one world government was the goal for more than 75 years.

      Clinton as president worked towards this goal by ship US jobs and technology to China. All based on the Progressives belief that interdependence stops wars unfortunately history does not show that. Economic Interdependence and War: A Theory of Trade Expectations International Security, Vol. 20 (Spring 1996)

      And then you have the China side of the equation:
      Lessons of history: China’s century of humiliation: The repercussions of British opportunism in China during the Opium Wars can be felt in geopolitics even today

      …Xi Jinping, despite his genial smile, good English, and familiarity with the United States, is no reforming liberal. Shortly after assuming the presidency, he took all the members of his politburo with him to the bizarre museum the Party has built in Tiananmen Square – the museum of national humiliation and revival. He pointed out to them the exhibits showing the arrival of the Jesuits via Macao in the sixteenth century and how this had been the beginning of the infiltration and humiliation of China by the West. He pointed out the exhibits showing the Japanese invasions of China and making the unfounded assertion that the Japanese were defeated by the Communist Party with a little help from “good” Nationalist generals. The Americans, he said, then became the enemy. “Against this external enemy,” he told China’s inner group of top leaders, “we must stick together.”
      (wwwDOT)thefreelibrary.com/Is+China+the+next+evil+empire%3F-a0373887543

      If you are young I strongly suggest you learn Mandarin. Of course if I was China I would just do a … nuclear EMP attack… as practiced by North Korea during the nuclear crisis of 2013 are both existential threats that could kill 9 of 10 Americans through starvation, disease, and societal collapse….: ~ Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is the executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security,

      SUBCOMMITTEE ON CYBERSECURITY,
      INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION,
      AND SECURITY TECHNOLOGIES
      MAY 8, 2014 [43 pages]
      (wwwDOT)gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-113hhrg89763/pdf/CHRG-113hhrg89763.pdf

      • gator69 says:

        You go Gail! 😆

        Nice to have you back. Type slowly for istasz, it appears to be a product of this…

      • AndyG55 says:

        Down here , there are rumours that Kevin Rudd wants to be world president.. seriously !!!

        With ignorant socialists in charge, even the most bizarre and monumentally stupid things can happen.

        • gator69 says:

          Rudd better be prepared to defeat Skeeter in a Progressive coup de disgrace. 😉

        • istasz says:

          I see that the ignorance displayed on this site isn’t confined to the Northern Hemisphere. On the topic of socialists, Nixon’s administration gave us the EPA; while Reagan proposed universal nuclear disarmament. By comparison, Obama is closer to Goldwater.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I see that the ignorance displayed on this site isn’t confined to the Northern Hemisphere”

          I take it you travel around a bit !

          Are you Di Paprio’s bed mate or something ?

        • AndyG55 says:

          EPA did a good job cleaning up the air in the US.

          Then it ran out of things to do, the totalitarian socialists took over the lead roles in the EPA, and non-science, agenda driven farce became the only thing they are now capable of.

        • AndyG55 says:

          I reckon that even someone as dumb and ill-educated as you, might even know more about climate change than the head of the EPA . That’s how useless they have become.

          At least you probably know that climate models exist (and have proven to be woefully incorrect.)

          http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/09/epa-chief-doesnt-know-whether-climate-model-projections-are-accurate/

      • istasz says:

        Wow, Gail, trouble staying on topic?

        Your first comment (and associated graphic) actually reinforced my point – the East Coast may have been abnormally cold, but the West was abnormally warm. The commentators on this site focus only on the former and, even then, fail to realize (yet again) that a few cold winters cannot be translated into a statement about climate change. At all. Incidentally, the jet stream did not wander much this winter al all – it was instead incredibly stable (four oscillations circumscribing the Northern Hemisphere) – a feature which has been the source of considerable consternation for the past four years. The question of whether this “Ridiculously Resilient Ridge” is a new aspect of the changing climate cannot yet be answered. However, the answer of why warming has slowed over the past decade has been answered in terms of the Pacific Decadal Oscillations (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pacific-current-change-slowed-global-warming/). The impending switch back will invariably result in a new era of marked and unabated temperature increases that correlate exactly with increases anthropogenically generated CO2 increases – a trend that only the most gullible, naive and most members of the Tea Party could possibly deny.

        Your response to the my other comments drifted off into the nether world.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Scientific American ? really? ..
          Are you auditioning as the third member of Dumb and Dumber ??

          Why not quote Rolling Stone, or Cleo? they have better scientific reputations.

          Its yet another feeble EXCUSE for not predicting the NON-warming of the last 18 or so years.

          They are flying blind.. and you are so gullible, stupid and ignorant as to be on board with them. DOH !

          Enjoy the crash.. coming soon ! 🙂

        • gator69 says:

          The impending switch back will invariably result in a new era of marked and unabated temperature increases that correlate exactly with increases anthropogenically generated CO2 increases – a trend that only the most gullible, naive and most members of the Tea Party could possibly deny.

          That’s quite a claim! 😆

          So none of this has to do with rebounding from the LIA? Or the pattern we see of interglacials warming, right up to the next ice age?

          Would any of this rhetoric be based upon alarmist modeling, and alarmist claims? The very models that failed to predict 18+ years of zero net warming, and very the people who have their careers, homes, and futures invested in this most lucrative of shams? And most certainly not from the same models and people who are part of the multi-trillion dollar Climate Change Industry?

          It seems I am detecting a conflict of interest here.

          Could this hyperbole also be from the same people who cherry picked 1979 as the “normal” of the Earth’s climate?

          According to the GAO, annual federal climate spending has increased from $4.6 billion in 2003 to $8.8 billion in 2010, amounting to $106.7 billion over that period. The money was spent in four general categories: technology to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, science to understand climate changes, international assistance for developing countries, and wildlife adaptation to respond to actual or expected changes. Technology spending, the largest category, grew from $2.56 billion to $5.5 billion over this period, increasingly advancing over others in total share. Data compiled by Joanne Nova at the Science and Policy Institute indicates that the U.S. Government spent more than $32.5 billion on climate studies between 1989 and 2009. This doesn’t count about $79 billion more spent for climate change technology research, foreign aid and tax breaks for “green energy.”

          How much of this $101,500,000,000 went to disproving CAGW?

          Do you even know what the IPCC charter is?

          We know one thjing, your arrogance is only exceded by your ignorance, or lack of honesty.

          Heck, I’ll even concede that both exceed your arrogance.

          Care to disprove the null hypothesis?

        • David A says:

          Wandering Jet stream? Actually Gail was referring to the loopiness of the jet stream. This exact change has happened before. Some think it may have to due with a weak sun, but bottom line, it brings Arctic cold air further south, and warm air further north. There is not s shred of evidence your SUV has any cause in this. Apparently the CAGW proponents are climate change deniers.

          As to the change in the PDO, remember the AMO has yet to change to its cold phase, but it is starting to turn. The PDO has temporarily shifted somewhat positive again, and will likely but not definitely revert back. If both AMO and PDO enter a cool phase, in conjunction with a strong la Nina, look out for a large step down, just as we had upward steps during the positive or warming ocean current phases. Skeptics for years have talked about ocean currents affecting GAT. Only a CAGW alarmist could think they are one way, and only cause cooling.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “temperature increases that correlate exactly with increases anthropogenically generated CO2 increases”

          Yep, the “ADJUSTMENTS” (lol) to the GISS data have an R^2 value of 0.99.

          That cannot be coincidence. Gavin et al have MADE SURE of it. ! 🙂

          Its anthropogenic warming for sure…. just not in the way you seem to think.

      • David A says:

        Gail, is all Ok? What have you been up to? Nice to see you posting again.

        • rah says:

          Gail is Ok. She responded on another thread to a similar inquiry. She is just busy with her spring time chores and animal husbandry.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “I will never stop deriving pure joy from seeing fools continue to conflate “weather” with “climate”,

      Yep, one slightly warm day, one normal hurricane.. (whoops.. no lets call it a superstorm)a tiny not so global temperature change based on adjustments rather than reality….

      …. and off you guys go ……. its AGW high farce, on a mix of hallucinogens and steroids.

      Hilarious to watch. 🙂

    • I will never stop deriving pure joy …
      … “climate”, which manifests itself as a long term warming trend caused by anthropic CO2 emissions.

      istasz, try to stop deriving pure joy for a brief moment and tell us how you determine the global temperature that describes the “long term warming trend”?

      • AndyG55 says:

        ““long term warming trend”?”

        From the LIA, thankfully !! Imagine every year like this year in NE USA. People would come their senses about the NON-effect of CO2 as a warming force pretty darn quickly. !

        Unfortunately that small warming trend ceased 18 or more years ago. 😦

        • Istasz says:

          But began 150 years ago and will continue unabated, scientific ignorance not withstanding

        • AndyG55 says:

          Why do you keep bring your scientific ignorance into it. We don’t need reminding !

          Your rancid juvenile posts are enough for that.

          The warming has CEASED.. get used to it..

          and the high probability of a cooling phase to come, naturally.

    • Ernest Bush says:

      Hello troll. Your religion is the thing not being taken seriously by the world in general. It’s all back to coal (your worst nightmare, I believe) and common sense everywhere but in the U.S. People just aren’t interested in climate change because you socialists have so screwed up Western economies in general. Have a good day.

      • Ernest Bush says:

        This is @istaz. I was a little slow posting and it appears I missed most of the party.

      • Istasz says:

        Hi Dubya,

        As long as coal is being eliminated in my socialist realm I an perfectly content.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Is not going to happen.

          Once the realisation by people that they have been defrauded by the anti-CO2 cult agenda, coal will continue to grow in its use, even faster than it will anyway.

          Isn’t it strange that the biggest socialist/communist country in the world is the one given free rein to increase their CO2 usage until 2030. Increasing they use of coal, as they try to reach up to the living standards of the developed countries… while the internal totalitarian socialists, like you, do their best to take the developed country’s living standards back down to the lowest common denominator that they represent.

          Thanks to countries like China, India, and the up-and coming Africa nations, the world can continue to rely on an every increasing supply of atmospheric CO2, to the benefit of all creatures on Earth. 🙂

  8. Andy DC says:

    Vermont can expect more unseasonal cold and snow next week.

  9. Gail Combs says:

    istasz says:
    “….Wow, Gail, trouble staying on topic?….”
    ————————

    No you are the one who introduced two topics and I addressed both topics.
    ………..
    ^^^^^ that means I am changing the topic to address YOUR change in topics.
    ———————
    “….Your first comment (and associated graphic) actually reinforced my point – the East Coast may have been abnormally cold, but the West was abnormally warm. The commentators on this site focus only on the former and, even then, fail to realize (yet again) that a few cold winters cannot be translated into a statement about climate change. At all. Incidentally, the jet stream did not wander much this winter al all – it was instead incredibly stable (four oscillations circumscribing the Northern Hemisphere) – a feature which has been the source of considerable consternation for the past four years. The question of whether this “Ridiculously Resilient Ridge” is a new aspect of the changing climate cannot yet be answered….”
    ————————-
    This time I will use the technical terms and back up what I say with reference papers. The Jet stream has gone from zonal to meridional flow. That is from straight to loopy or wandering Jets. This is NOT NEW. It was well known back in the 1960s and 70s when it was called the Canadian Clipper or Polar Express.
    Since you have trouble following a train of thought I will be more careful. This is about what changes in the sun’s irradiation spectrum does to the atmospheric ozone that causes the jets to switch from zonal to meridional flow.

    Sun, Ozone, Polar Jet and the Brewer-Dobson Circulation
    Let me see if I can trace the different steps via various papers. No one has put it together in one paper because it would kill or at least challenge CAGW.

    I will start with this reference:

    CHARACTERISTICS OF THE GENERAL CIRCULATION OF THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION OF TOTAL OZONE AS DETERMINED BY THE NIMBUS III SATELLITE INFRARED INTERFEROMETER SPECTROMETER

    Ozone is an important atmospheric trace constituent. The depletion of solar radiation between approximately 2000 and 3000 A is the result of strong absorption by ozone in the ultraviolet wave-lengths. The energy absorbed in this process is the prime source of thermal energy in the stratosphere. Because of this, ozone plays an important role in the large-scale motions of the atmosphere….

    ….A strong correlation was found between the meridional gradient of total ozone and the wind velocity in jet stream systems…..

    ….A study of the total ozone distribution over two tropical storms indicated that each disturbance was associated with a distinct ozone minimum….

    A comparison of time-longitude stratospheric radiance values at 60 S with values of the total ozone indicated that low (high) radiance values corresponded very closely with the low (high) ozone variations. The speed at which these ozone ‘waves’ progress eastward is greater in the winter hemisphere. The speed of eastward progression decreases as one approaches the lower latitudes in the winter hemisphere. In the equatorial region and in the Northern Hemisphere summer there is not a strong eastward progression of the ozone ‘waves’ but a westward progression….

    Changes in Ozone and Stratospheric Temperature

    The graph above shows total ozone and stratospheric temperatures over the Arctic since 1979. Changes in ozone amounts are closely linked to temperature, with colder temperatures resulting in more polar stratospheric clouds and lower ozone levels. Atmospheric motions drive the year-to-year temperature changes. The Arctic stratosphere cooled slightly since 1979, but scientists are currently unsure of the cause….
    (wwwDOT)giss.nasa.gov/research/features/200402_tango/

    Top-Down Solar Modulation of Climate: evidence for centennial-scale change

    The work presented here is consistent with the interpretation of a recently reported effect [25] of solar variability on the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and European winter temperatures over the interval 1659–2010 in terms of top-down modulation of the blocking phenomenon [52, 53].

    Blocking is a characteristic of meridional flow.

    In fact, Woollings et al [26] show that the solar response pattern is, despite being similar in form to that of the NAO, significantly different in that it reaches further east. These authors also show that open solar flux has a much stronger control over blocking events in this sector than the previously reported effect of F10.7 [55]. There is seasonality in the solar responses reported here. This is expected as modulation of upwards-propagating planetary waves in wintertime, and the associated stratosphere– troposphere interaction, is most widely believed to be the key mechanism [8, 11]. In addition, the tropospheric signature is a response of the eddy-driven jet streams, and these are at their strongest and most responsive in winter. While the results are presented here as annual means, the regression analysis was actually carried out on monthly mean data and thus takes this seasonality into account. The seasonal evolution of the F10.7 cm flux regression was described in detail by Frame and Gray [53] and this was not significantly affected by using either the open solar flux FS nor the cosmic ray flux, M, instead of F10.7.”

    Click to access 1748-9326_5_3_034008.pdf

    NASA has finally admitted that the sun is not constant and although the Total Solar Insolation is relatively constant the distribution of the energy among wavelengths is not. This is the critical point.

    “We have never had a reason until now to believe that parts of the spectrum may vary out of phase with the solar cycle, but now we have started to model that possibility because of the SIM results,” …
    “Between 2004 and 2007, the Solar Irradiance Monitor (blue line) measured a decrease in ultraviolet radiation (less than 400 nanometers) that was a factor of four to six larger than expected.” (wwwDOT)nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/solarcycle-sorce.html

    2007 was before the deep solar minimum.
    “…A 12-year low in solar “irradiance”: Careful measurements by several NASA spacecraft show that the sun’s brightness has dropped by 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at extreme UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996….” science(DOT)nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum/

    NASA has also admitted different wavelengths of sunlight do different things in different parts of the atmosphere.
    Solar Spectral Irradiance Data

    Research and Applications
    Because of selective absorption and scattering processes in the Earth’s atmosphere, different regions of the solar spectrum affect Earth’s climate in distinct ways. Approximately 20-25% of the Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) is absorbed by atmospheric water vapor, clouds, and ozone, by processes that are strongly wavelength dependent. Ultraviolet radiation at wavelengths below 300 nm is completely absorbed by the Earth’s atmosphere and contributes the dominant energy source in the stratosphere and thermosphere, establishing the upper atmosphere’s temperature, structure, composition, and dynamics. Even small variations in the Sun’s radiation at these short wavelengths will lead to corresponding changes in atmospheric chemistry. Radiation at the longer visible and infrared wavelengths penetrates into the lower atmosphere, where the portion not reflected is partitioned between the troposphere and the Earth’s surface, and becomes a dominant term in the global energy balance and an essential determinant of atmospheric stability and convection.
    lasp(dot)colorado.edu/home/sorce/data/ssi-data/

    • istasz says:

      Typical denier – makes something simple, like a pause in warming i.e. to the PDO, into an elaborate Rube Goldberg ruse involving a variable sun. Well, I’ll turn the deniers’ favorite argument back on themselves – the sun has a variable luminosity and has always had one. It plays no more a role in a lull in rising temperatures than any other ill-formed fantasy the right has to offer. Arguments like yours are hidden on the fringes of the web and are not to be taken seriously by 99.999% of the population, to say nothing of the 100% of scientists. In fact, you can string together all the loosely connected arguments you wish, but the answer to whether you could ever get them past an editor in any self-respecting journal is, of course, moot.

      I can tell you which side of the debate Occam would be on, and it’s not one based on open ended statements like this “Even small variations in the Sun’s radiation at these short wavelengths will lead to corresponding changes in atmospheric chemistry.” Even if taken as true, you would next have to take the hard (meaning you can’t) step to showing that this mysterious conflation of “complex chemistry” and “solar variation” somehow is canceling out the greenhouse effect for an extended period. Until you show me a model that combines these two and can reconstruct the supposedly flat temperature profile I reserve my right to continue to mock your fantasies .

      • gator69 says:

        1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effective, and then quantify them.

        2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

        Should be a piece of cake considering it is “settled” science.

  10. Gail Combs says:

    istasz says:
    The first time:
    “….Let me guess, 99% of this audience stays awake at night fearing one World Government….”

    The second time:
    “…Your response to the my other comments drifted off into the nether world….”

    Since when are the remarks of a world leader (Pascal Lamy) on the desire for a world government dating back to the 1930s off topic? SInce when are the actions of a US president that HELPED an enemy of the USA (China) while crippling the USA (exporting jobs, manufacturing capacity and technology) all based on the ‘Progressive theory of Interdependence’ way off base?

    YOU brought up a one world government and I provided QUOTES from world leaders and experts and a discription of their actions. Not a nether world dude, REALITY that may soon bite us in the butt and perhaps kill us all.

    The Progressives think trade interdependence will make the world peaceful so they gave away US manufacturing, technology and jobs. However the rest of the world is NOT ON THE SAME PAGE (China’s One Hundred Years of Humiliation) and will use that us technology to attack the USA if they feel they can get away with it. China and Russia will use a puppet state like North Korea or Iran so any retaliation is towards the puppets. The classic lets you and he fight the elite are so fond of.

    SUBCOMMITTEE ON CYBERSECURITY, INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION, AND SECURITY TECHNOLOGIES – MAY 8, 2014 [43 pages]

    STATEMENT OF PETER VINCENT PRY, …CONGRESSIONAL STRATEGIC POSTURE COMMISSION, AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TASK FORCE ON NATIONAL AND HOMELAND SECURITY….
    pg 12
    Natural EMP from a geomagnetic super-storm like the 1859 Carrington Event or the 1921 Railroad Storm, a nuclear EMP attack from terrorists or rogue states as practiced by North Korea during the nuclear crisis of 2013 are both existential threats that could kill 9 of 10 Americans through starvation, disease, and societal collapse.

    A natural EMP catastrophe or nuclear EMP attack could black out the National electric grid for months or years and collapse all the other critical infrastructures, communications, transportation, banking and finance, food and water, necessary to sustain modern society and the lives of 310 million Americans….

    EMP is a clear and present danger…. Last April, during the nuclear crisis with North Korea over Kim Jong-Un’s threatened nuclear strikes against the United States, Pyongyang apparently practiced an EMP attack with its KSM–3 satellite that passed over the U.S. heartland and over the Washington, D.C.-New York City corridor. Iran, estimated to be within 2 months of nuclear weapons by the administration, has a demonstrated capability to launch an EMP attack from a vessel at sea. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Navy commenced patrols off the East Coast of the United States in February.

    Thank you for your attention to EMP, which is the least understood but gravest threat to our society.
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-113hhrg89763/pdf/CHRG-113hhrg89763.pdf

    Close-minded low information sheeple seems to be a perfect discription of many of the rank and file progressives like istasz. They would still be whining and whinging about normal Americans being Islamophobies as Jihadi John lopped their head off!

    • istasz says:

      Paranoid much?

      • gator69 says:

        I don’t believe Gail to be CO2-phobic, like you.

        • istasz says:

          I’m nonsense-phobic.

        • gator69 says:

          You seem scared of these two requests big boy! 😆

          1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effective, and then quantify them.

          2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

          There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I’m nonsense-phobic.”

          How can you possibly live with yourself then??

          You must be perpetually scared of yourself.

          You poor child-mind !!

      • Gail Combs says:

        Nope, I am a narapoid.

        Personally, since I have no children, I am very much looking forward to witnessing the arrival of the next glaciation. (Don’t forget Dr Alley found Climate change is abrupt with the switch from the Wisconsin Ice Age to the Holocene occuring in ONE YEAR.)

        Going back 2 million years and looking at the archaeological evidence we see climate change has actually been very good for the human species. Our brain case size has
        experienced dramatic increases, in fits and starts, going from about 500 cubic
        centimeters (cc) to about 2,500cc in the last 2-3 million years. When ever periods of
        global cooling caused temperatures to plummet in Africa, the cooler drier air resulted in humid woodlands dying off giving way to wide, dry grasslands. So humanoids had to smarten up right quick and deal with the changes or die out.

        Via numerous glaciations, the increased braincase size of our humanoid ancestors increased. It is interesting to note that the braincase size of modern humans is decreasing… …for the last 10,000 years, the human brain has been shrinking at an alarming rate and no one really knows why…

        Looks like Ma Gaia is getting ready for another cleansing of the gene pool even as the Warmist fools are denying the evidence. “…So the question really begs to be asked. Will it take another (let’s call it the next, since its actually time for the next one now) ice age to “smarten us up” some more? ….”

  11. Gail Combs says:

    The big picture: 65 million years of temperature

    A. The temperature of earth long term is cooling.

    B. The climate system has negative feed back

    C. At present the climate is a bistable chaotic system with the more stable state being frozen.

    Figure 5. Dansgaard-Oeschger oscillations with their cycle designations. (Sole et al, 2007)
    The Holocene is on the left notice how the brief D-O warmings do not last….

    Dansgaard-Oeschger oscillations are abrupt warmings that occurred from just a few years to mere decades. They average between 8-10C rises (D-O 19 scored 16C). The nominal difference between earth’s cold (glacial) and warm (interglacial) states are on the order of 20C. D-O events average 1470 years with a range of 1-4kyrs. During the Holocene D-O oxcillations are muted and called Bond events.

    Until ClimAstrologists can explain what causes Dansgaard-Oeschger oscillations and Bond events
    they are just blowing smoke when they say “The science is settled”

    NOAA: Heinrich and Dansgaard-Oeschger events

    What caused Heinrich and Dansgaard-Oeschger events?

    The cause of these glacial events is still under debate….
    (wwwDOT)ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/data3.html

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