Vatican Takes A Strong Stance Against Heresy

The Vatican finally takes a strong stance against those challenging CO2-centricism.

VATICAN CITY – Papal heavies shut down an awkward question at a Vatican press conference today when a journalist asked UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon his views on climate sceptics.

Marc Morano, covering the Vatican climate conference for Climate Depot, asked Ban Ki-Moon whether he had a message for the Heartland Institute delegation of scientists who have flown to Rome to urge the Pope to reconsider his ill-advised position climate change.

But before he could finish the conference hosts interrupted to ask which organisation he worked for, then directed the microphone to a more tame questioner, while a security guard came over to mutter in Morano’s ear “You have to control yourself or you will be escorted out of here.”

Vatican Heavies Silence Climate Heretics at UN Papal Summit – Breitbart


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  1. cheshirered says:

    Ya gotta love that freedom of speech thing.

  2. gator69 says:

    “I don’t think faith leaders should be scientists,” said Ban, in reply to the question. “I’m not a scientist. What I want is their moral authority.

    More appeals to authority.

    • annieoakley says:

      And ‘moral’ authority is the most dangerous. OT I see Iran has fired upon and seized a US cargo ship with 34 sailors.

      • gator69 says:

        The Pentagon said at least five Iranian patrol vessels approached the Marshall Islands-flagged Maersk Tigris cargo ship at 5:00 am eastern time as it was transiting the Straight of Hormuz and directed the ship to proceed further into Iranian waters.

        When the ship’s master declined, the Iranian ship fired shots across the bow of the cargo vessel, Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said. After shots were fired, the ship proceeded into Iranian waters near the vicinity of Larak Island. It was boarded by members of the Iranian military and is now unable to leave Iranian waters.

        The Marshall Islands gained independence from the United States in 1986, but the U.S. continues to have “full authority and responsibility for security and defense of the Marshall Islands,” according to the State Department’s website…

        It is unclear if the Maersk Tigris inadvertently entered Iranian waters. There are no Americans aboard the cargo ship and currently no injuries reported among the crew, Col. Warren said.

        The Maersk Tigris is not a US ship.

        • annieoakley says:

          I see that now it is a Marshall Islands flagged ship with “only” Eastern Europeans and Asians aboard. Yes the US is responsible for the security of the Republic of the Marshall Islands including the Bimini and Enewetak atolls.
          In April 2014, the RMI filed suits against the United States and other nuclear powers claiming failure to meet their obligations under Article VI of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The suits do not seek any monetary compensation for the RMI related the its nuclear legacy. On February 3, 2015, the federal court in California granted the USG’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit brought against it by the RMI.

        • Brian H says:

          Word salad:
          “the RMI related the its nuclear legacy.”

  3. tabnumlock says:

    Man’ resurrection of life-giving CO2 from the nether world is one of the best things to ever happen to thje earth. Crop yields are up 3x, the deserts are greening, mankind is liberated form drudgery and we might even get more blessed weather. Truly, fossil fuels are a gift from God. Amen.

    • tabnumlock says:

      Oh, and delay the return of those hellish ice sheets.

      • David A says:

        Crop yields are up for many reasons. CO2 is responsible for about a 15% increase in yields. In addition that increase requires no additional water or land.

        • Duke ilver says:

          and at the same time it’s cased only .02% of GHG warming. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

          BTW, I’m big proponent of going after the real pollutants – CO2 isn’t one.

  4. gator69 says:

    Our Vatican in DC is hard at work as well…

    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is spending $84,000 to study how churches can be used to combat climate change.

    A taxpayer-funded graduate fellowship at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor is examining 17 faith-based institutions that have implemented “sustainability initiatives” in the hopes of developing workshops to teach pastors and other religious leaders how to change the behaviors of their congregants.

  5. emsnews says:

    Well…the Baptist Church in Baltimore was burned down last night by rioters so it is a good illustration on how ‘warming’ is burning up churches.

  6. emsnews says:

    Actually, having priests and ministers tell freezing flocks that they are now roasting to death will kill the churches once and forever. Telling them they will burn only after death if they sin is OK.

  7. JeffK says:

    It’s just miscommunication. The same word for climate is also for environment in Latin.
    Nobody disagrees with terms like sustainability or protect the environment. It’s just that the efforts have been hijacked by the same ole Orwellian followers of previous failed manifestos.

  8. KTM says:

    By definition, faith is a belief in things that are true. Asking/demanding that Catholics have faith in something demonstrably untrue, like CAGW, will only undermine the moral authority of the church leaders in other matters and trigger crises of faith in many individuals.

    It’s stunning to hear that they don’t want religious leaders to be “scientists”, in other words they don’t want them investigating the issue for themselves, as any scientifically minded person would do. They just want blind belief from the church leaders, followed by abuse of their religious authority to bring more sheep into the CAGW herd.

    • gator69 says:

      faith fāTH noun 1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

      It doesn’t have to be “true”, you just have to have “faith”.

      I approach everything with a certain degree of skepticism. Occam’s Razor is a good rule of thumb, so the simplest explanation is usually my first choice. What I cannot ever have faith in, are liars and frauds, and the multi-trillion dollar Climate Change Industry is chock-full of liars and frauds.

      • KTM says:

        The quibble I have with such a basic definition is that there are times when there is clear disproof of something, like when someone devises the concept of a Flying Spaghetti Monster and readily admits that it’s a complete and baseless fabrication.

        I think it’s improper to call a belief in such a thing “faith”. It’s not even “blind faith”, which would connote a simple lack of evidence. Blind faith is more what Ban Ki Moon is trying to encourage within the Catholic church, where he wants their belief without them trying to be a scientist and scrutinize the issue for themselves. Continued belief in something you know to be demonstrably false needs its own definition, such as willful self-deception.

        Personally, I think that using the definition that faith is a belief in things that are true but without proof allows for these distinctions to be readily understood. If you have clear evidence of something, it’s not faith anymore it’s knowledge. If you have clear disproof of something, no matter how devoutly you may believe it, continued believe is not faith anymore it is willful self-deception.

        I think the Pope is straying into this issue where he risks asking Catholics to practice willful self-deception by jumping onto the CAGW bandwagon. Even if the Encyclical is more measured, being associated with the CAGW true believers risks sending the wrong message. I figure that despite all the current agonizing over the climate, 20 or 30 years from now there may finally be enough time passed to convince even the most hardened Alarmist that we aren’t facing global catastrophe. I suppose it could go the other way, and convince the most hardened Skeptic that we’re all doomed. But it seems foolish for the Pope to wade in on a scientific issue that will play itself out over the next couple of decades one way or another and could end up being a complete fiasco for him and the church.

        • gator69 says:

          Without proof, you must have faith that something is true.

          And yes when something can be disproven, in this case by simply acknowledging the fraudulent works that support it, then it can be dismissed.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Just remember the totolitarians want to destroy Christianity. Whether or not he knows it the Pope is helping them destroy the credibility of the RCC.

        • Gail Combs says:

          totolitarians = totalitarians

          (Note to self – Poof reed befour cliking)

        • Disillusioned says:

          Taht’s olay.Gaile. I sometimes forget to proofrid too. 😉

      • Occam’s Razor does not apply to Faith, only science but not even bad science, for much bad science passes under Occam’s Razor. Just a nice sounding phrase. A so-called detective mechanism fall out from the late Christopher Hitchens. Great sounding speaker, who made religion his enemy, one would think science his friend. NOT!

        Amateurs like the one above often view this concept as a clean blade of truth, cutting straight to the heart of the matter. It’s widespread in politics, often phrased as “common sense” analysis.

        That’s a nice idea, but reality is more complex, and Occam’s razor often causes more problems than it solves.

        • gator69 says:

          I never said Occam’s Razor applied to faith, I simply said it is a good rule of thumb.

        • Brian H says:

          Read up on the actual definition and intent of Occam’s Razor. It’s a guideline, not a law. Einstein: “As simple as possible, but no simpler.”

      • Vincent Fitzpatrick says:

        The theological virtue of Faith is involved only when the object of Faith is the truths revealed by Jesus Christ and taught by the Catholic Church. KTM was not referring to “faith” in general–as found in a secular dictionary. He was referring to the theological virtue of Faith. If the Pope goes ahead with his proposed bed-wetting encyclical, he will be perceived as proposing, as an object of divine Faith, the vicious, bogus lies of the AGW racket.

      • Michael 2 says:

        There’s that YMMV thing. Where I have faith it is in things asserted to be true and are likely true but not readily provable. I have faith that NOAA’s weather forecasts will usually be correct but sometimes spectacularly wrong.

        If I report on a mystical experience, for me it is not a matter of faith since I know a thing happened. But for you to believe me would require “faith” since you are believing an assertion; but it is not “blind” faith since you will have already established a sense of my honesty.

        You will also compartmentalize the claim into varying degrees of credibility; preserving “proven” for those things that can be proven, which quite frankly isn’t very much.

        Example: I know with certainty what I ate for supper last night; I can claim it, but proving it is probably impossible. Very likely you will accept my claim of teriyaki chicken because if my past history of honesty and forthright discussion; also, there’s no reason NOT to believe it. So you have “faith” where I have “knowledge”. The assumption is, in either case, that my claim is true.

  9. ScienceABC123 says:

    Once again the Vatican is on the wrong side of history, much like with Galileo, the sun circling the earth,…

    • gator69 says:

      “The relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science is a widely debated subject. The church has been called “probably the largest single and longest-term patron of science in history.”[1] It has founded schools and universities and conducted medical and other scientific research over many centuries. Catholic scientists, both clergymen and religious sisters as well as lay people, have led scientific discovery in many fields. In his 1996 encyclical Fides et Ratio Pope John Paul II wrote that “Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth.” Conversely, the conflict thesis, was developed in the United States in the 19th century and retains some pop-culture currency. It proposed an intrinsic intellectual conflict between the Church and science.

      Even before the development of modern scientific method, Catholic theology did not insist on a literal interpretation of biblical text that might, as St Augustine wrote in the 5th century, contradict what can be established by science or reason, thus Catholicism has been able to reinterpret scripture in light of scientific discovery.

      The Catholic contribution to the development of the sciences has been formidable. From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single greatest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world. Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained the last bastions of scholarship in Western Europe. During the Middle Ages, the Church founded a well integrated international network of Cathedral schools and Europe’s first universities, producing a fine array of scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas who helped establish scientific method. During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedral architecture.

      Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists (many of them clergymen) have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields – including physics (Galileo), acoustics (Mersenne), mineralogy (Agricola), modern chemistry (Lavoisier), modern anatomy (Vesalius), stratigraphy (Steno), bacteriology (Kircher and Pasteur), genetics (Mendel), analytical geometry (Descartes), heliocentric cosmology (Copernicus) atomic theory (Bošković) and the Big Bang Theory on the origins of the universe (Lemaître). Jesuits devised modern lunar nomenclature and stellar classification and some 35 craters of the moon are named after Jesuits, among whose great scientific polymaths were Francesco Grimaldi and Giambattista Riccioli. The Jesuits also introduced Western science to India and China and translated local texts to be sent to Europe for study. Missionaries contributed significantly to the fields of anthropology, zoology and botany during Europe’s Age of Discovery. The Church’s patronage of sciences continues through elite institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Vatican Observatory.”

      probably the largest single and longest-term patron of science in history
      -Wallace, William A. (1984). Prelude, Galileo and his Sources. The Heritage of the Collegio Romano in Galileo’s Science. N.J.: Princeton University Press.

      This Pope is actually going against the majority of the history of the church.

    • amirlach says:

      Maybe they can dust off those old “epicycles” they likely still have stashed under a stair case in the Vatican Basement.

      And a message for the Vatican from Australia.

      • gator69 says:

        Great video! Just sent it out to the posse.

      • Isn’t this wonderful, all because Barack Obama decided that he wanted to undermine Libya. Think Benghazi! Typical problem solving. Australia has a conservative Government. Applies bit of reason to resolve a problem. But what Islands are available in the Mediterranean. I think Sicily can be used. NOT So this video says WHAT?

        • amirlach says:

          Many of these so called “refugees” are in fact an invasion force for the Global Jihad. It is astounding people refuse to take the throat cutters at their word.

          So maybe the video says Wake-TFU? Not that this is likely…

        • Marsh says:

          Again Thomas, you miss the point; I suggest you watch the zero tolerance Video again.
          Regardless of the cause, the migration ( invasion ) of incompatible Islamic persons will cause major instability within Italy / Europe. For a person so devout & protective of the Vatican, you seem to be oblivious to the magnitude of the potential damage to both church & state… but no,,, you focus on sidebar issues?

          There are recorded incidents where Islamic passengers throw Christian’s overboard to drown. This is an attitude & warning before they even reach Europe to apply their terror.
          “Video says WHAT?”:The need for decisive action regardless of the logistic challenge!
          Europe has more wealth & power than Australia!! ( the Price is higher if No one acts ).
          While you are worried about perceived Haters/ Anti-Catholic; there are those of this World that go beyond Hate to “exterminate anyone non Islamic”… that’s What!

      • Marsh says:

        Everyone should also remember: it’s the same Government in Australia, that not only enforced a right of sovereignty & stopping illegal migration ; it deprioritised CAGW.
        Yes , it cut back the AGW agenda by removing obsessive Warmists as advisers to Government and other Warming Committees that were “misleading the Nation”…

        Australian’s are not more intelligent… just less prone to being led like sheep,,,
        although, we have our share of hard line nutters ; mostly visible on ABC TV.
        We had some go to Antarctica: “Ship Of Fools”, unfortunately they migrated back !

        • Gail Combs says:

          Here are the Australia’s hard line nutters showing their BEST side. (H/T Jo Nova)

        • Marsh says:

          I can’t top that Gail ; yes, that is probably their best side. Amazed where you get such photo’s. I would say this is a training camp & part of their CAGW indoctrination.

    • He we go again: It was the scientist at the time that suggested that Galileo could not prove Heliocentrisim not the Church, so often misstated by so-called Modern scientist are those who claim to be. Anti-Catholics often cite the Galileo case as an example of the Church refusing to abandon outdated or incorrect teaching, and clinging to a “tradition.” They fail to realize that the judges who presided over Galileo’s case were not the only people who held to a geocentric view of the universe. It was the received view among scientists at the time.

      Centuries earlier, Aristotle had refuted heliocentricity, and by Galileo’s time, nearly every major thinker subscribed to a geocentric view. Copernicus refrained from publishing his heliocentric theory for some time, not out of fear of censure from the Church, but out of fear of ridicule from his colleagues

      Galileo did not prove the theory by the Aristotelian standards of science in his day. In his Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina and other documents, Galileo claimed that the Copernican theory had the “sensible demonstrations” needed according to Aristotelian science, but most knew that such demonstrations were not yet forthcoming. Most astronomers in that day were not convinced of the great distance of the stars that the Copernican theory required to account for the absence of observable parallax shifts. This is one of the main reasons why the respected astronomer Tycho Brahe refused to adopt Copernicus fully.

      Galileo could have safely proposed heliocentricity as a theory or a method to more simply account for the planets’ motions. His problem arose when he stopped proposing it as a scientific theory and began proclaiming it as truth, (without any facts) though there was no conclusive proof of it at the time. Even so, Galileo would not have been in so much trouble if he had chosen to stay within the realm of science and out of the realm of theology. But, despite his friends’ warnings, he insisted on moving the debate onto theological grounds.

      There is a bit of similarity between Environmental Scientist and Galileo in his time, that neither actually prove their theories with scientific Facts.

  10. George Orwell spoke : In times of universal deceit , telling the truth will be revolutionary act .
    The Pope should show his unprejudiced mind by reading some of his books and not wasting his time on Green Gospels and other fairy tales .

  11. Marsh says:

    The Vatican could have ended up at the Nuremberg Trials – following WW II as it was overly accommodating with the Nazi’s to such a degree it made it a War Crime. Whilst the Vatican
    opposed the Nazi regime in the early 1930’s due to the Nazi doctrine against all religions, the
    CONCORDAT of 1937 was the beginning of the rot. Despite being neutral at the start of the War the Vatican became more complicient by supporting the Nazi’s during & at the end of WW II.

    What took place in Yugoslavia with the murder of more than 700,000 Serbs even had direct implications to the Vatican ; more should have been dragged away to the Nuremberg Trials.

    Nine thousand Nazi war criminals fled to South America after the Second World War, it has been revealed for the first time. ( many were associated with the Holocaust & Concentration Camps ).
    Of particular interest to the Nazi hunters are details of the so-called ‘rat lines’ ( in 1945 ) – the escape routes out of a shattered Europe after WW2 that allowed an estimated 800 murderers to escape on passports provided by the Vatican.

    Read more:

    To add some balance : many Bishops & Priests opposed the Nazi’s in Europe with the way people were targeted and many protected the innocent and paid the ultimate price…

    Not saying, IPCC & Climate Fraudsters are like Nazi’s but the “propaganda is as bad”.

    CAGW is a Political issue that Religion should stay clear of ; it will prove to be incompatible.
    One would think that the Vatican should have learnt from past mistakes ; it appears not !

    • gator69 says:

      Several Catholic countries and populations fell under Nazi domination during the period of the Second World War (1939-1945), and ordinary Catholics fought on both sides of the conflict. Despite efforts to protect its rights within Germany under a 1933 Reichskonkordat treaty, the Church in Germany had faced persecution in the years since Adolf Hitler had seized power, and Pope Pius XI accused the Nazi government of sowing ‘fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church’. Pius XII became Pope on the eve of war and lobbied world leaders to prevent the outbreak of conflict. His first encyclical, Summi Pontificatus, called the invasion of Poland an “hour of darkness”. He affirmed the policy of Vatican neutrality, but maintained links to the German Resistance. Despite being the only world leader to publicly and specifically denounce Nazi crimes against Jews in his 1942 Christmas Addres, controversy surrounding his apparent reluctance to speak frequently and in even more explicit terms about Nazi crimes continues. He used diplomacy to aid war victims, lobbied for peace, shared intelligence with the Allies, and employed Vatican Radio and other media to speak out against atrocities like race murders. In Mystici corporis Christi (1943) he denounced the murder of the handicapped. A denunciation from German bishops of the murder of the “innocent and defenceless”, including “people of a foreign race or descent”, followed.

      Hitler’s invasion of Catholic Poland sparked the War. Nazi policy towards the Church was at its most severe in the Polish territories it annexed to Greater Germany, where the Nazis set about systematically dismantling the Church – arresting its leaders, exiling its clergymen, closing its churches, monasteries and convents. Many clergymen were murdered. Over 1800 Catholic Polish clergy died in concentration camps; most notably, Saint Maximilian Kolbe. Nevertheless, security chief Reinhard Heydrich soon orchestrated an intensification of restrictions on church activities. Hitler and his ideologues Goebbels, Himmler, Rosenberg and Bormann hoped to de-Christianize Germany in the long term. With the expansion of the war in the East, expropriation of monasteries, convents and church properties surged from 1941. Bishop August von Galen’s ensuing 1941 denunciation of Nazi euthanasia and defence of human rights roused rare popular dissent. The German bishops denounced Nazi policy towards the church in pastoral letters, calling it “unjust oppression”.

      From 1940, the Nazis gathered priest-dissidents in dedicated clergy barracks at Dachau, where (95%) of its 2,720 inmates were Catholic (mostly Poles, and 411 Germans), 1034 died there. Mary Fulbrook wrote that when politics encroached on the church, German Catholics were prepared to resist, but the record was otherwise patchy and uneven with notable exceptions, “it seems that, for many Germans, adherence to the Christian faith proved compatible with at least passive acquiescence in, if not active support for, the Nazi dictatorship”. Influential members of the German Resistance included Jesuits of the Kreisau Circle and laymen such as July plotters Klaus von Stauffenberg, Jakob Kaiser and Bernhard Letterhaus, whose faith inspired resistance. Elsewhere, vigorous resistance from bishops such as Johannes de Jong and Jules-Géraud Saliège, papal diplomats such as Angelo Rotta, and nuns such as Margit Slachta, can be contrasted with the apathy of others and the outright collaboration of Catholic politicians such as Slovakia’s Msgr Jozef Tiso and fanatical Croat nationalists. From within the Vatican, Msgr Hugh O’Flaherty coordinated the rescue of thousands of Allied POWs, and civilians, including Jews. While Nazi antisemitism embraced modern pseudo-scientific racial principles rejected by the Catholic Church, ancient antipathies between Christianity and Judaism contributed to European antisemitism; during the Second World War the Catholic Church rescued many thousands of Jews by issuing false documents, lobbying Axis officials, hiding them in monasteries, convents, schools and elsewhere; including the Vatican and Castel Gandolfo.

    • This anti catholic Jewish BS always seems to surface when these poor little Catholic Haters can’t seem to get their agenda promoted. It now becomes obvious that there are a few in the Jewish community who of themselves hate the Catholic church are not able to propagate these false theories of Global Warming, and to what end. Please save you Nazi hating crap

      Hitler’s public relationship to religion has been characterized as one of opportunistic pragmatism. One might say its comparable to Barack Obama and his false claim that he is a Chritians because he attended Reverend Wirghts Liberation Theology Church which is more Marxist than Christian. Any Hitlers regime did not publicly advocate for state atheism, but it did seek to reduce the influence of Christianity on society. Hitler himself was reluctant to make public attacks on the Church for political reasons, despite the urgings of Nazis like Bormann. Although he was skeptical of religion, he did not present himself to the public as an atheist, and spoke of belief in an “almighty creator”. In private, he could be ambiguous. Evans wrote that Hitler repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science, which in the long run could not “co-exist with religion”

      The anti-Catholic Crusade of some Jewish Catholic Hater Speaker like a number of Atheist who call themselves environmentalist continue to pursue their false theories, and invisible facts. Sad considering how many Jews were saved by the Vatican at the time. But hey whose counting lives, false theories are more important.

      • Marsh says:

        Calm down Thomas, calm down, you are missing the point, it’s Not about Anti-Catholic!
        The focus is the ” Vatican taking the wrong stance ” & potentially damaging the Church as well as supporting another form of world wide Corruption: being Global Warming…

        I for one, do not hate any Christian religion, in fact I do not want to see the Catholic Church damaged any further, as has happened in recent years with P/ Priests…
        With what is occurring around the World with terrorism ; I see the Catholic Church has a vital, important role to play in balancing extremist threats & maintaining some normality. The Vatican should remain neutral on issues like CAGW ; most here would agree!

        Half of what you said is true but the rant on Jewish Catholic Haters is extremism ; they may exist in parts of the world, but I don’t know one where I live! No country or state is without its misdeeds and if you believe the Vatican has a perfect history ; you’re bias to the point of delusional – face reality !

    • Marsh says:

      Yes Gator, I even had Catholic Relatives escape from War torn Europe during those years so I also have an emotional connection. I believe and it’s “most likely” that the Vatican was not taken to Trial, was because of the lives saved & the greater good done by the Church, far, far exceeded by “lesser factions” and “wrongs by the few”. Your
      inclusion does add a better balance to the support & sacrifice by the Catholic Order.

      The German Bishop to the Holy See, is known to have been one of the black sheep
      plus a few others were involved… but my point, was not to defame the Church, or offend anyone. The key emphasis is that the Vatican would be wrongly heading into another controversy by associating themselves with the IPCC / CAGW… I’m doubly concerned because we don’t know the damage that could follow!

  12. AndyG55 says:

    “The Vatican finally takes a strong stance against those challenging CO2-centricism”

    So f*****g what !!!

    as Rhett said , “Frankly my dear, I just don’t give a damn !” (or something like that)

    ie.. I don’t give a rat’s a**e what the stupid old goat says or does !!

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