Just When You Thought Climate Experts Couldn’t Get Any Stupider

This gem in the Washington Post may be the stupidest on record

As for that image of Londoners frolicking at “frost fairs” on the frozen-over Thames? Those had less to do with the activity of the sun than the activities of humans. Historical climatologist George Adamson told the BBC last year that the river used to freeze because of the architecture of the old London Bridge, whose arches prevented salty sea water from passing upriver and lowering its freezing point. The construction of a new bridge in the 19th century, and other landscape changes that made the river flow faster, brought an end to those festivals — less so than the end of the Maunder minimum.

News about an imminent ‘mini ice age’ is trending — but it’s not true – The Washington Post

The suggestion that arches on the bridge control the direction the river flows, goes beyond the pale of stupid. And then they top it with the idea that a faster flowing river now will bring more salt in from the sea.

Where do they train people to be that stupid?

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42 Responses to Just When You Thought Climate Experts Couldn’t Get Any Stupider

  1. gator69 says:

    Where do they train people to be that stupid?

    Jimmy Carter’s public school system.

  2. craigm350 says:

    Reblogged this on the WeatherAction News Blog and commented:
    Imbeciles.

  3. gator69 says:

    Stupid runs deep and wide these days…

    Those studies that have found a correlation between solar activity and global temperatures predict that the drop in temperatures associated with a grand minimum will be much smaller than the warming that’s predicted to occur due to greenhouse gas emissions: A 2010 study in the journal Geophysical Letters predicted it could cause a global temperature decrease of about 0.3 degrees Celsius by 2100 — not nearly enough to offset the 1 to 5 degree increase anticipated from human-caused global warming.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/14/news-about-an-imminent-mini-ice-age-is-trending-but-its-not-true/

    It is settled science after all.

  4. I don’t know where the salt water line is on the Thames, but in estuaries where sea water and fresh water form a boundary that goes up and down with the tide, the fresh water floats and salt water sinks, and depending on the depth of the river, the boundary can go on for miles, getting deeper as you go upstream. In the Hudson it goes from West Point (all salt) to Poughkeepsie (fresh on top salt down deep) to Kingston (all fresh), and that goes up an down with every tide, and varies widely depending on the flow of fresh water from upstream. There is no way these idiots can figure out 400 years later what the Londoners of the time didn’t know. If they say the river froze because it was cold, then I believe them.

    • From Wiki: “Below Teddington Lock (about 55 miles or 89 kilometres upstream of the Thames Estuary), the river is subject to tidal activity from the North Sea. Before Teddington Lock was built in 1810–12, the river was tidal at peak spring tides as far as Staines, about 16 miles (26 km) upstream.”

      Locks don’t allow any salt water upstream. If the boat is coming downstream, the lock fills with fresh water which empties when the boat exits. If the boat is going upstream, the lower gate is closed and the lock once again fills with fresh water. So, the Thames is 100% fresh water above Teddington Lock and has been so for 200 years. It’s never frozen in all that time, so these people are 97% full of brackish bilge.

  5. Andy DC says:

    Was is their excuse for the Great Lakes freezing over the last two winters? For the Potomac in Washington, DC being frozen the latest on record last March?

    • D. Self says:

      2 years ago the lower than average lakes levels were blamed on AGW, now that the levels are above normal it’s the fault of AGW. Go Figure….

      By the way there are ancient forests in Lake Huron and ancient Copper mines in Lake Superior.near Copper Harbor. But this is all inconvenient real truth.

  6. rah says:

    Hmm, so THIS is what caused the Thames to freeze?

    1. What caused the Baltic and many other rivers in Europe to freeze over during the same period?

    2 What caused the crop failures and famines all over Europe?

    3. What caused the pack ice to expand from the Arctic into the Northern Atlantic making shipping to Greenland and Iceland difficult if not impossible for months into the Summer resulting in Iceland losing 1/2 of it’s population to famine during the height of the LIA.?

    4. What caused the Glaciers in Scandinavia to advance and overran villages and alpine pasture?

    6. What caused Commercial vineyards in England disappeared?

    I’m sure others to add to this list.

    • From Vinetum Britannicum written in 1676. Grapes only grew in England during warm summers, and only if you planted them against a wall.

    • gator69 says:

      1. What caused the Baltic and many other rivers in Europe to freeze over during the same period?

      The old London Bridge.

      2 What caused the crop failures and famines all over Europe?

      The old London Bridge.

      3. What caused the pack ice to expand from the Arctic into the Northern Atlantic making shipping to Greenland and Iceland difficult if not impossible for months into the Summer resulting in Iceland losing 1/2 of it’s population to famine during the height of the LIA.?

      The old London Bridge.

      4. What caused the Glaciers in Scandinavia to advance and overran villages and alpine pasture?

      The old London Bridge.

      6. What caused Commercial vineyards in England disappeared?

      The old London Bridge.

      Rmember, it is settled science. Stop asking silly questions.

  7. Bill Illis says:

    Water freezes when it gets cold.

    Either below 0.0C for fresh water, or below -2.0C for very salty water but it has to get cold first.

    London does not get that cold anymore: full stop.

    • No Bill, you don’t understand. Scientists say, and it’s peer reviewed, that the London Bridge acted as a refrigeration system. The salt reticulated by the arches had a BNT effect on the endothermic CNM bonds in the water molecules, and this is widely known among climate scientists to be local to London only. Read about it at http://www.wikipedia.com/BS.htm

  8. Andrew S says:

    Trained at Kings College, London UK
    http://conference.rgs.org/ICHG/1f3af3ab-4b63-4654-8bfd-38134f308017

    George Adamson(Kings College London UK) – Convenor and Chair of
    International Conference of Historical Geographers 2015
    [Towards policy-driven research in historical climatology]

    “Yet historical approaches have thus-far largely failed to engage with the policy agenda.”

    Oh!, now I get it. Policy schmolicy. 😉

  9. Adam Gallon says:

    As a huge Urban Heat island, I’d suggest that has a lot more to do with the Thames not freezing.
    The idea that the old bridges contributed to the Thames freezing isn’t new, however the idea used to be that they slowed its flow, not impeded sea water ingress, which being denser than fresh water, would tend to form a layer beneath the more freezable fresh water?

  10. TDK says:

    Let’s see

    Medieval bridge built 1176
    First recorded Frost Fair 1608
    Houses demolished and central arches replace by wider central span 1762
    Last Frost Fair 1814
    Bridge replaced 1831

    We know that the river froze before 1608.

    The river edges were progressively embanked making the river narrower and faster flowing during this era. Interestingly the height difference of the water on either side of the medieval bridge was as much as 6ft and it was considered foolhardy to try to row through the arches. That would have been reduced by the 1762 changes.

    It seems to me that the important factor is the cold, the minor factor the flow and the salt content the least.

  11. emsnews says:

    This clutching at straws would be hilarious except our media giants are pushing this tripe as hard as they can. The one thing about the weather: people EXPERIENCE the actual weather. They know there have been near zero hurricanes for quite a while and there will be few to none this year, too.

    They have endured now some very nasty winters and summer barely makes an appearance for half of the population. This means they see the utter disconnect between actual reality and the fantasy world being peddled by our rulers.

  12. PJ London says:

    There are always people willing to peddle nonsense, and there are always fools willing to believe it.
    2.2 billion Christians
    1.6 billion Muslims
    1 billion Hindu
    0.4 billion Chinese traditional
    0.4 billion Buddhist
    etc
    Whichever you choose, you are outnumbered by those fools who think differently.

    • Terry says:

      Oh, you forgot the 10 million athiests, who were responsible for what, 100 million+ deaths in the 20th century alone, or more than all religions caused in all their history. so yeah, you are right you are outnumbered by fools who peddle nonsense.

    • gator69 says:

      .85 billion Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist

      • inMAGICn says:

        Correct, Gator, on the subject of fools.
        Nothing is more amusing than hearing a Marxist rant about religion if you can ask them about their beliefs, e.g. “Do you really believe in Iron Laws of History? Dialectical Materialism? How about the Labor Theory of Value? Do you actually believe history is driven by Class Struggle? Always? No exceptions.”
        Get ready for THEIR faith-based reply (if any).

        • gator69 says:

          “Atheism is religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being,”

          Click to access 13-1009-2013-08-16.pdf

        • Hugh says:

          No, lack of religion is not a religion.

          I’m pretty certain on this one. And calling lack of religion an ism is not really appropriate, since lack does not dictate anything else, just describes what does not exist.

          Now my lack of religion does not make me Marxist or Nazi or Communist or anything. It doesn’t tell anything apart from the lack of any religious nature in me. Lack of religion includes of course lack of gods, prophets, miracles, spirits and stuff, but definitely also the whole religious cultural dogmatic system.

          No easy answers, but difficult questions.

        • gator69 says:

          Belief that there is no creator is still a belief, and it only follows that with that comes certain “rituals”.

          Read the brief.

        • rah says:

          If atheism was not a religion it’s members would not find the symbols or expressions of any religion in the public square offensive.

        • Dave1billion says:

          And there area a lot of atheist proselytizers out there like Dawkins who want you to believe (or not believe) the same thing he does with a fervor that borders on evangelical.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “If atheism was not a religion it’s members would not find the symbols or expressions of any religion in the public square offensive”

          I don’t… sometimes interesting, sometime strange, sometimes more than a bit wacky.

          But then, I don’t class myself as anything in that regard.
          If someone else want’s to call me an atheist.. that’s up to them,
          but frankly my dear, I just don’t give a damn. !

        • rah says:

          AndyG55, you are the exception and not the rule based on what I see in the news describing the actions of atheists in my country. In my country it seems that atheists have been screeching and suing any other religion for the last 30 years. Sometimes when they don’t win in court they take matters into their own hands.

        • AndyG55 says:

          rah, if these so called atheists are taking organised action, then they are treating their non-belief as a religion.

          A real non-theist doesn’t need a badge or a cause, because it is immaterial and irrelevant to them.

        • gator69 says:

          The same can be said for the “religious” Andy. As with all belief’s there are varying degrees of fanaticism.

          “Atheism is religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being,”

          Click to access 13-1009-2013-08-16.pdf

      • PJ London says:

        The big difference is that ” Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist” don’t ask you to fund their foolishness.
        I have yet to see a building labelled ” Church of Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist” built by collections from believers.

        • gator69 says:

          Since when has a “religion” taken your money PJ? Even as a church member giving and tithing are voluntary. But atheism taxes everyone through the “church” of government.

          Stick to topics where you have some understanding PJ, this isn’t one of them.

        • PJ London says:

          Aw is you getting upset.
          I attended church every week for 20 years, When the plate is passed, you better put something in it, or you get really dirty looks.
          Most governments have religious affiliations. Yada yada USA, the first thing the pols do is claim that they love Israel, the second is show that they attend church every week. (The third is claim that they are faithful, yeah right).
          Please tell me where and when you were asked (required) to contribute to a church / monument / whatever to atheism. (Here comes the Marxism / communism BS)
          I may not be in your mindset, but if you want to discuss religion, I have studied them for the last 50 years, so go for it.

        • gator69 says:

          Actually, no, I am not getting upest as I am merely pointingf out facts. But apparently I pressed a button or two on you. 😆

          I also spent decades attending church, and I never saw any dirty looks given at offering time.

          I am forced at the point of a gun to support anti-religious activities every day.

          Your “studies” hves failed you. Get over it, and quit emoting.

        • gator69 says:

          My apologis for the typos, I’m just laughing too hard… 😆

        • PJ London says:

          Hey Gator, stick to climate alarming, your BS about Churches is as stupid.
          You wouldn’t know facts if they came and bit you.
          “I also spent decades attending church, and I never saw any dirty looks given at offering time.” and exactly how many times did you see someone say “No thanks I am not giving you money.” Grow up.
          Please give example of “anti-religious activities” that you are required to support. Not just activities which do not fit your particular mindset.
          The only one which springs to mind is “the war on ISIS/Islam” but you probably are in favour of that activity.
          I will keep on “emoting”, it is good for me and may cause someone, somewhere to start thinking, in place of regurgitating the pablum that you serve.
          “He who is not angry when there is just cause for anger is immoral.  Why?  Because anger looks to the good of justice.  And if you can live amid injustice without anger, you are immoral as well as unjust.”
          St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)
          No need to apologise, your spelling is as confused as your logic.

        • gator69 says:

          I often did not put money in the plate, and never received so much as a glance. We know you hate Christians, and it colors your view of the church. We also know you are a rabid aplogist for the murdering Muslims, so your comments on both are noise.

          I am forced to financially support gay marriage, abortions, attacks on religious peoples who are trying to live peacefully and according to scripture.

          You really are blinded by your hate, and small mind.

          How is attacking peaceful Christians and defending murderous Muslims Just? 😆

  13. Bloke down the pub says:

    It is not unusual for ice dams to form on rivers. What may have been happening with the old bridges was that ice floating downstream was getting stuck in the bridge holes, creating a dam against which more ice collected. When bridges with wider arches were built, the gaps were too wide to stop the ice from flowing out to sea. That doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a lot colder before the new bridges were built, just that it’s not cause and effect.

  14. Joe Public says:

    It was the secretly suspended selectively permeable membrane which helped.

  15. gator69 says:

    Just When You Thought EPA Experts Couldn’t Get Any Stupider

    Defund the EPA.

    http://netrightdaily.com/action/urge-congress-defund-epa/
    Reply

  16. ottokring says:

    I’m a bit late to this as I don’t read the blog as often as I should, but a little historical perspective will help.
    The arches under the old London Bridge were a major hazard, The water flowed so fast between the pillars that traffic was impossible when the tide was at its maximum. As only smaller, usually rowed, craft could traverse under the bridge it was a brave man that shot the rapids at high tide.

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