The Arctic melt season normally last six months, from the first day of spring to the last day of summer. This year the melt season lasted just over five months and ice has been growing at a record rate since September 1. There was a dip after August 15 which was caused by early winter storms that broke up the ice.
Government experts say that the Arctic is ice free, because they are incompetent hacks.
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013′
Timing couldn’t be better; the Arctic will now be off the agenda, come Paris Climate Con…
Since when do actual facts get discussed at these meetings?
Good point – with “everything” contrary to alarmist predictions ; fiction will take center stage.
It has to! The whole damned scam is based on fiction!
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The climate is certainly changing in the Arctic, only in the exact opposite way to what global warming alarmists, the Whitehouse and the Pope would prefer, or have you believe.
Let’s wait for PIOMAS volume folks…and CryoSat-2…
Is that where they send you your Obamadata over your Obamaphone?
Republican scientists and engineers like me work in the private sector and contribute to society. Democrats stay in the public sector and steal from the taxpayer. Very few engineers are Democrats, because Democrats aren’t intelligent or honest enough to be trusted with any real responsibility.
I think they may be ‘morans’!
c’mon, you meant maroon didn’t you?
Come on, go easy on these kids. There’s a lot of
homophobeshomophones out there and cfgjd is still working to get his abcde right.
The underlying study is interesting.
What constitutes a scientist as far as the Pew Research Center goes?
Probably self-identified scientists. For the record, the study identifies 55% D, 6% R, 47% Independent. break that down into the Industrial Sector and that number drops to 47%D, 10%R, 37% IND.
If you have a doctorate in physics and are an instructor at a university you’d call yourself a scientist. I’d call you a TEACHER who has his undergraduate lackeys do your “research” for you.
If you have a PHD in Civil Engineering and design bridges and highways using applied mathematics and physics you’d proudly call yourself an engineer, not a scientist because that means somehing. I’d think that the engineer needs to be more in touch with the physical and scientific world than someone who can “model” climate and think the results would be meaningful.
I’m sorry, but the overwhelming majority of “scientists” at Universities and in the government NEVER do any actual science. Now they sometimes have to publish papers, but a good many of those papers seem to be more about pissing contests than actual science. And again, how much of the work in those papers is produced by undergraduates?
One common theme I see in the usual run of published papers is the absolute ruthlessness used in tearing down the theories and ideas other researchers in the field. But that’s healthy to the exchange and flow of ideas.
If only the papers put out by the AGW crowd were subjected to the same rigorous critique as the theories of dark matter or what killed off the dinosaurs! But when you have an incestuous circle of “peer” reviewers all giving each other reach-arounds you end up with a close-minded, group think situation where anybody who disagrees with you is stupid or willfully ignorant.
A perfect example is cfgfd above who seems to think that everyone who disagrees with him is a bible-thumping troglodyte worthy of his contempt.
BTW – I like the Obamadata/Obamaphone joke.
97% of climate scientists are Democrats !!
easily amused maroons are most often EBT-sucking lefties, like you.
Why aren’t there more Conservatives in Academia?
Survey shocker: Liberal profs admit they’d discriminate against conservatives in hiring, advancement: ‘Impossible lack of diversity’ reflects ideological intimidation on campus
That is pronounced, “Bamapho” by the truly qualified recipient.
Denmark has a vested interest in making VERY VERY sure the data is correct and that is why we prefer it instead of the ‘adjusted’ data.
For many centuries Iceland was a colony of Denmark. The Danish-Icelandic Act of Union of 1918 provided virtually complete home rule except in foreign affairs under a personal union in which Iceland and Denmark share the same King. In 1944 Iceland gained complete.
There are ferries running from Denmark to Iceland. Denmark’s latitude is 56° N and Iceland’s latitude is 65° N. During a typical season, icebergs can migrate as far south as 39N across the Grand Banks. The farthest south an iceberg has been spotted was in 1926 near 30-20N/62-32W, approximately 150nm northeast of Bermuda. http://www.marinelink.com/news/icebergs-atlantic-across334857.aspx
Greenland on the other hand is STILL part of the kingdom of Denmark but has a great a degree of self-government.
“Denmarks Natural resources: North Sea–oil and gas, fish. Greenland–fish and shrimp, potential for hydrocarbons and minerals, including zinc, lead, molybdenum, uranium, gold, platinum. The Faroe Islands–fish, potential for hydrocarbons.
Denmark Economy: Denmark’s industrialized market economy depends on imported raw materials and foreign trade.” And that means shipping by sea. Sea ice is going to be a real concern to the countries near the Arctic.
If Denmark’s natural resources are so plentiful why did they fall hook, line and sinker for the wind power thing?
It has been a long time since I lived in Denmark but I think the answers are fairly simple. In terms of home grown energy supply Denmark has offshore natural gas, It does not have coal or oil. Solar is not really an option except in June and July. The wind however blows a great deal of the time. Denmark is composed of one mainland , Jylland (Jutland) one big island, Sjaelland (Zealand) several minor islands like Fyn, Mon, Falster Lolland and a bunch of others. In other words it has a lot of natural wind generation and a lot of sea space to utilize. So it does make sense. It’s a small country in population and fairly homogenous so policy is fairly easy to get cooperation on. So wind generation may be expensive but once set up it is “theirs” so to speak.
They are VERY Socialist.
Climbing rapidly since the AMO started to turn.
No Death Spiral here. ! 😉
Tony Heller is a fraud. He started off trying to look like a scientist. He took the name of Steven Goddard. Of Goddard fame. Nasa, Goddard, let’s feel good about a name. Hell, we all take fake names sometimes to protect our anonymity, so what is wrong with Steven Goddard? Well, we normally take a fake name as a joke. I am mogur. Grin, I am not a lame old guy in Clan of the Cave Bears. It is simply a name that I like. It is a name that I use to cloak my real person. Absolutely no one thinks that I am a character out of a book and that I am old and ugly. The fact that I am old and ugly is beside the point. Fuck you.
Tony Heller chose a name to identify himself as real. A real name. Not dumbo. Not Freesquare. Not a name to simply be unknown. Tony Heller chose a name to be revered and he really cherished it. He wanted to be ‘Steven Goddard’, the scientist. That tells a lot about a person. That he now rails against the data that the Goddard center publishes is very, very, ironic. Tony is ironic. He is an engineer. His career is what I consider to be one of the best careers that ever existed. An engineer should be revered. They work very, very, hard. Please don’t muck it up, Tony.
A record short melt season is in your mind, Tony. A record increase in arctic sea ice is also very much in your mind, Tony. Don’t cherry pick one crude, ready to be abandoned chart to negate a very low arctic ice season.
I don’t see a “very low” arctic ice “season” there. There has been arctic ice ALL YEAR! A year when an ice breaker was diverted to lead ships carrying essential supplies needed to make it through the coming winter to communities on the eastern shore of the Hudson. No NW passage open despite that persistent warm “blob” of water hanging off the coast of Alaska and then later the Canadian coast. A year that saw the burial of the great polar bears are dying because of global warming hoax.
This IS NOT anything close to what the models predicted and what was hyped by so many that you apparently continue to believe in. The very FACT that the 2015 line is above the 2012 really says all there needs to be said to the sane person about the validity of the predictions made and the sanity of those that cling to an ever fading hope that those predictions of disaster would come to pass and come to forums to act as if they are happening even as they aren’t.
Ahh….. the ignorant sewer troll returns !!
Doesn’t even know that Arctic sea ice level is ONLY this high because we have just finished coming out of the COLDEST period in the last 10,000 years.
That’s why it is nowhere near the open summer Arctic condition it was during the first 3/4 or so of the Holocene.
But more-git will just keep using the period since 1979, because he knows nothing else, because that’s all the alarmista propaganda sites will tell him.
News for you child-mind.. the AMO has started to turn..
Summer sea ice levels have bottomed out and will now, unfortunately, started to climb.
“Absolutely no one thinks that I am a character out of a book and that I am old and ugly.”
But basically everything you post is certainly fantasy !
Besides that anybody that though SG was a “character out of a book” before he revealed his true name was an IDIOT!
Speaking of ironic…
The novel references the “coming” advance of “the polar ice” sheets, setting the story before 18,000 years Before Present (BP), when the farthest southern encroachment of the last glacial period of the current ice age occurred.
mogur2013 … Interesting how you are facetious in part, to being Sarcastic the next. It really does take a special kind of person, to go from being a jesting clown to the lowest form of wit.
The misunderstanding you have with Steven & Arctic Sea Ice Growth is predictable given your focus on literacy & fiction ; perhaps you should take a step back & look at the real world.
And Steven Goddard is what you think that Tony Heller can get away with? Goddard? Please, be an engineer. Be a scientist. But don’t be an asshat.
Poor more-git..aka sanitation facilitator.
So how much money are you making out of the climate scam?
Are you David Appell’s new pseudonym? I bet you are.
Certainly the same basement level ignorance and emptymess !
Arctic sea ice levels are HIGHER than 2010, 2008, 2011, 2007 and 2012 for the day, and climbing rapidly. Even the up to date version of your IMS sea ice pages says that.
The temperature is dropping, no chance of more melt at this point.
And I just stumbled over this prediction from 2012 on ARCTIC NEWS
Arctic Sea Ice set to collapse in 2015
Well they flubbed that one!
There’s that back-dated graph again.. Wish I knew what caused it !
weird, My version as posted says fri September 25 19:00
Maybe it has to do with my antique computer and old software.
I get it quite often too.. Copy the link for the graph, and it pastes with out-of date data.. bizarre.
Really? They flubbed that one? Are you even in gonso space? This is 9/22. Tony the Heller thinks that the melt season ended on Sept 3, 2015.
No, You are!
Glaciation starts in Hudson Bay
August 13, 2015 Polar Bear Science: 2nd highest ice coverage for Hudson Bay since 1971 at mid-August – only 1992 higher
The sea ice on 25 July 2015. (Note the location of the Great Lakes and think of the record ice the last couple of winters and the 6 °F below normal summer water temperature.)
The Great Lakes obliterated all records for springtime ice last year, and this year.
On March 1, 2014 the Great Lakes were approaching 100% Ice Cover – For The First Time On Record, only Lake Ontario was the only major holdout
By March 26, 2014 the Great Lakes broke all records.
March 3, 2015: Great Lakes ice cover over 88%, more than last year
And on 14th October 2014, Water temperature of the Great Lakes is over 6 degrees colder than normal
According to NDISC data, it bottomed on day 251 That’s 8th September
But all data sets vary a bit, so unless you have the data from DMI to prove him wrong… you have nothing expect your brainless chihuahua type yapping.!
But again, any way you look at it, the Arctic sea ice level is still VERY HIGH compared to the first 3/4 of the Holocene.
The past decade had the snowiest winters (December-February) on record.
September Snow Cover Was Highest On Record In North America
Wisconsin Ice age- Holocene transition @ ~ 522.50 Wm-2
Depth of the last ice age – around 464 Wm−2
NOW (modern Warm Period) 476 Wm-2
The earth is only 12 Wm-2 higher in solar insolation than at the deepest point of the last glaciation while the earth is 47 Wm-2 lower in solar insolation than that needed to kick us out of glaciation (the more stable state) If something kicks us into glacial inception territory we are dead meat. the solar insolation to bring the earth back out just isn’t there any more and CO2 is not going to save our behinds.
The reduction in solar radiation since the Holocene Climate Optimum is 30 W m–2 , and is equivalent to the entire CO2 forcing [32-44 W m–2] with mankind’s contribution being ONLY 1.5 W/m 2 for the forcing of anthropogenic CO2 [cf., Reid, 1997].
The Holocene interglacial is now 11,717 years old. That’s two centuries or so beyond half the present precession cycle (or 23,000/2=11,500).
To give you a feel for just how close to glaciation we are you can look at the calculations from a fall 2012 paper Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? The paper gives the calculated solar insolation values of several glacial inceptions:
Current value – insolation = 479W m−2 (from that paper)
MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m−2,
MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m−2,
MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m−2,
MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m−2,
MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m−2
So an increase in energy by 5 W m−2 gives a value of 484 W m−2 IF mankind can jack the CO2 levels back up to over 1000 ppm.
Any hope that the Holocene would go long was shot down by Lisiecki and Raymo in 2005 in their rebuttal of Loutre and Berger, 2003. No more recent papers has rebutted Lisiecki and Raymo in the decade since then. Not that the MSM would bother telling us that.
HEY, mogur2013 did you read that? “current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr.” That kills any possibility of a CAGW tipping point for the next 65 kyr. The solar energy just isn’t there and CO2 has already shot its wad in the first 200 ppm. If we jack CO2 levels up to 1000 ppm to 1500 ppm we might keep the earth out of glacial inception or at least have enough plant food (CO2) to keep a few more humans alive.
Why anyone WANTS summer Arctic sea ice is beyond me ESPECIALLY summer ice in Hudson Bay…
“If we jack CO2 levels up to 1000 ppm to 1500 ppm we might keep the earth out of glacial inception or at least have enough plant food (CO2) to keep a few more humans alive.”
Thankfully China, Japan, India, Germany South Africa, Turkey ….. and many other countries are not heeding the stupidity of the anti-CO2 agenda.
Atmospheric CO2 levels will continue to rise for the foreseeable future, hopefully long enough to see the AGW scam dead and buried .. deep in the deepest sewers, where it belongs.
“we need to reverse it, Professor Wadhams adds.”
I don’t know.. they seem to have reversed the downward trend of sea ice 😉
Or maybe that’s something to do with the AMO and other cyclic things.
A second order polynomial can approximate the downward leg of a cyclic curve quite well…
… but only a complete moron would think it could be extrapolated..
But that’s exactly what these twerps seem to have done. DOH !!!
A scientist moves goal posts by definition. They don’t care what the New York Times published in 1958. First of all, they didn’t write that NYT article. Second, they don’t care what YOU think. And I do not care what you think.
I do not care that in 1928 someone in Denmark thought that we are getting (colder, warmer) than we used to be. It is significant that now I am now warm. Can I thank the gods?
No they don’t.
Science advances one funeral at a time.
I’ve decided to “move the goal posts by definition” on gravity.
It is no longer 9.8 metre per second squared.
It is 2. Just 2 and no units of measure.
That is the same as what government climate criminals are doing to climate data and taxpayers are funding the fraud. Biggest scam ever to introduce a global taxation system funding a central world government supported by useful idiots.
Okay. Let’s not move the goalposts. Andy Oz, I love u. Hugs and kisses. You are a climate criminal. I hate that you are the biggest scam to ever introduce a lame taxation system that funds a central world government. Please.
Just as I thought. You got nuthin’.
“I am now warm. Can I thank the gods”
If you have a god, yes you can thank them for the short warming period out of the LIA…
..but I would suspect you to be godless.
Otherwise, thank natural climate cycles for the warming, and hope the coming cool-down isn’t too brutal.
You have yet to offer anything here but ad hominem attack and diversion. Still waiting on any affirmative evidence on your part, (other than, I guess, that “It is significant that now I am warm?).
now i am cold. does that make your world spin?
This twerp get’s more bizarre by the minute.
What are you smoking or injecting,? Whatever it is, its done in all your brain cells !!
If that is the sum total of your affirmative effort of citing evidence towards your position, then, No, not too impressed.
You guys are fools. I mean really. The original thing was to twerp less.
Let’s see. mountains of evidence presented on one side…. ad hominem attack right to the bitter end on your side. Conclusion? You lost this one, badly.
Doubt more-git has won anything in his life.. except in his mirror.
Your posts are an insignificant waste of time and space.
They are empty, trite and meaningless.
Your life writ small, for all to see.
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