Fundraising At NSIDC

Boulder is the world’s epicenter of climate fraud. Check out today’s fundraising BS from NSIDC.

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Scientists who have been raising alarms about the endangered ice sheet of West Antarctica say they’ve identified a key glacier that could pose the single most immediate threat to the world’s coastlines — and are pushing for an urgent new effort to study it.

The glacier is not one that most Americans will have even heard of — Thwaites Glacier along the Amundsen Sea. It’s a monstrous body that is bigger than Pennsylvania and has discharged over 100 billion tons of ice each year in recent years.

Mindless propaganda. At that rate of loss, it will 3,000 years for sea level to rise one meter. Greenland has gained over 100 billion tons of snow in the last four weeks.

The glacier is both vast and vulnerable, because its ocean base is exposed to warm water and because of an unusual set of geographic circumstances that mean that if it starts collapsing, there may be no end to the process. But it’s also difficult to study because of its location — not near any U.S. research base, and in an area known for treacherous weather. As a result, the researchers are also calling for more support from the federal government to make studying West Antarctica’s glaciers, and Thwaites in particular, a top priority.

More BS. The water around West Antarctica has been running below normal temperature for years.

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“In some scenarios, the next 50 years or 100 years could see, you could begin to see very rapid ice loss from central West Antarctica. It’s the wild card,” said Ted Scambos, the lead scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center who chaired a meeting earlier this month of West Antarctic scientists outside Loveland, Colorado.  Thwaites, says Scambos, has “much more upward potential than we realized.”

Scientists declare an ‘urgent’ mission – study West Antarctica, and fast – The Washington Post

The process Scambos is describing has been going on for centuries. It has nothing to do with humans and there is nothing we could do about it.

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21 Jul 1932 – A Warmer World.

Scambos is pushing exactly the same fairy tale which scientists were using to raise money 70 years ago.

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31 May 1947 – TEMPERATURES RISING IN ARCTIC REGION LOS ANGELES…

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15 Oct 1951 – WORLD IS WARMER Glaciers Melting

It is all about the money and politics. This has nothing to do with science.

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35 Responses to Fundraising At NSIDC

  1. ren says:

    Ice growth in the Antarctic in October.

  2. Steve Case says:

    “They” want us to believe that there is a large warm water current flowing at the bottom of the Southern Ocean that is melting the underside of the Antarctic ice cap.

  3. Double speak.

    “It’s not melting the way we said it would. We need to add more people, more buildings and more man made heat sources to this part of Antarctica in an attempt cause some melting.”

    “But if we are really worried about it shouldn’t we leave it alone?”

    “What? Are you nuts! We don’t really care.”

  4. Ron Clutz says:

    Here’s a straight-forward look into NOAA Arctic ice data.

    Let’s help them draw the right conclusions from their own data.

    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2015/10/06/arctic-ice-made-simple-2/

    • Gail Combs says:

      Nice summation. Thanks for the pointer to the paper.

    • DD More says:

      But this is not a call on sea ice, but land ice.
      Scientists who have been raising alarms about the endangered ice sheet of West Antarctica say they’ve identified a key glacier that could pose the single most immediate threat to the world’s coastlines — and are pushing for an urgent new effort to study it.
      The glacier is not one that most Americans will have even heard of — Thwaites Glacier

      But others have been there, done that & unsure about any t-shirts.

      From 2004 Climate Variability in West Antarctica Derived from Annual Accumulation-Rate Records from ITASE Firn/Ice Cores

      The ice cores from this study were analyzed to look for recent changes in accumulation rates. The period 1970–present was chosen due to numerous previous studies reporting changes in accumulation during this same time period. Mean accumulation since 1970 for each site was compared to the long-term mean and, due to the different time period covered by each record, the mean from 1922 to 1991 (the period of overlap between records) (Table 2). Results for cores 01-5 and 99-1 are disregarded because of the possible need for topographic corrections (see previous section). The results indicate a slight decrease (1–4%) in accumulation at sites 00-4, RIDS C and Siple Dome, and a larger decrease (9%) at site 00-5. Accumulation increased (5–10%) at sites 01-3, 01-2 and 00-1. The geographical clustering of these sites suggests that there has been an increase in accumulation since 1970 in the western sector of the Pine Island–Thwaites drainage system (00-1, 01-2, 01-3) (Fig. 2; Table 2).

      http://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1127&context=ers_facpub

      So they compare average accumulation 1922 to 1991 against accumulation 1970 to present. Since there was growth 1922 to 1991, it would take a 100% decrease between the two before any ‘Alarming loss’ is seen. So far only one core is 9% less than average and the whole group shows growth not melting.

  5. 1saveenergy says:

    “Greenland has gained over 100 billion tons of snow in the last four weeks.”
    Hi, have you a source for that please

  6. “In some scenarios, the next 50 years or 100 years could see, you could begin to see very rapid ice loss from central West Antarctica. It’s the wild card,” said Ted Scambos.

    “OK, boss,” I said. I just couldn’t resist.

    • Andy DC says:

      There “could” be very rapid ice loss, but on the other hand, there “could” be no loss at all, according to climate expert Ted SCAMbus. The bottom line is the need for more funding to determine this lack of certainty.

  7. Ted says:

    Off topic-

    I just checked out the newly crowned head of the IPCC, Dr. Hoesung Lee. Any guesses as to what his doctorate was in? Anyone?…Anyone?…Bueller?…

    That’s right; Economics.
    http://www.climate.go.kr/ipcc/hlee/index.html

    I guess if you’re going to adjust the data to death, you might as well bring in a real expert. Economics may be the only field as thoroughly, and blatantly, fudged as climate “science.” And it’s another field where appeal to authority is the basis of every argument. From a practical standpoint, and from their point of view, I have to say it’s a good choice.

  8. rah says:

    What a never ending line of Alarmist Bull Crap we constantly are bombarded with. Of course it gives Tony and us commenters a fertile field to work in but man oh man it really just never ends!!
    Antarctic ice running well above the very limited 79 to present mean and about to break above 1 standard deviation and is staged very well to possibly set new records over those from last year and they seriously publish this kind of CRAP?

    • rah says:

      It just occurred to me. At this time there are four adults in my house. We’re all eating beans with ham over corn bread for dinner (I put red onion and pepper juice on top of mine to “kick it up a notch”). And the air in this house tonight will still be much better than that which the likes of those that publish this kind of crap emit.

  9. Gail Combs says:

    Thwaites Glacier? Oh good grief if these IDIOTS are not aware of these studies, they should be hung, drawn and quartered before having their ‘scientists’ creds stripped from them!

    July 10, 2015 — Physics Org: Study finds surprisingly high geothermal heating beneath West Antarctic Ice Sheet

    June 10, 2014 — The University of Texas at Austin: Researchers Find Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources “Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it’s being melted from below by geothermal heat, researchers at the Institute for Geophysics at The University of Texas at Austin (UTIG) report in the current edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The findings significantly change the understanding of conditions beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet where accurate information has previously been unobtainable.”

    20 January, 2008 — British Antarctic Survey: First evidence of under-ice volcanic eruption in Antarctica “The volcano on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet erupted 2000 years ago (325BC) and remains active…. “This eruption occurred close to Pine Island Glacier on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. The flow of this glacier towards the coast has speeded up in recent decades and it may be possible that heat from the volcano has caused some of that acceleration.

    And just for yucks, at the other pole:

    Greenland Ice Melt Geothermal, Not Manmade

    Study finds Arctic seabed afire with lava-spewing volcanoes: The Arctic seabed is as explosive geologically as it is politically judging by the “fountains” of gas and molten lava that have been blasting out of underwater volcanoes near the North Pole.

    • Ted says:

      From that last link:

      “The scientists say the heat released by the explosions is not contributing to the melting of the Arctic ice, but Sohn says the huge volumes of CO2 gas that belched out of the undersea volcanoes likely contributed to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.”

      Well, I’m sold.
      We all know by now that volcanoes only produce very minimal CO2. We’re told that every time we mention them. But even that tiny bit of CO2 causes more warming than billions of tons of molten rock. Got it.

      Incidentally, I’ve found that nothing makes a warm monger madder than hearing about volcanoes. I think they see volcanoes as too much of a deus ex machina. If that’s really their problem, they kind of have a point. But that doesn’t make it untrue. The world’s heaviest volcanic activity does appear to be in the same places where the ice is melting. To me, it shows how hopelessly dogmatic they are. Actual fire and brimstone must be ignored, because it takes away from their prophesies of the fire and brimstone that Mommy Earth will punish us with, if we don’t repent.

      • Jason Calley says:

        Hey Ted! (sarcasm follows — but not pointed at you!)

        “Well, we know that CO2 makes more warming than volcanoes. Have you ever been outside in the winter? When you get cold, you blow on your hands. Your breath is warm because it has CO2 in it! That makes your hands warm up. But have you ever seen a person with cold hands stick them into a volcano? Of course not! QED!”

        CAGW “logic” is so fun…🙂

  10. omanuel says:

    Fear is a common tool used to control the public. Here is an intriguing solution for one part of society’s current insanity, the immigration problem:

    https://pgtruspace.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/middle-east-refugee-solution/

  11. Billy Liar says:

    In some scenarios, the next 50 years or 100 years could see, you could begin to see very rapid ice loss from central West Antarctica.

    I call this area ‘Eric Rignot’s Pension Land’. Looks like he’s making sure it will see him though his ‘Professor Emeritus’ time too.

  12. Andy Oz says:

    The Antarctic Pro-Am is ready to go.

  13. Gail Combs says:

    Yes Sir It’s MELTING!

    That is why this is the type of building found at antarctic stations

    http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2010/11/05/architecture-of-antarctica-12-strange-sub-zero-structures/

  14. AndyG55 says:

    Ouch, Vuk shows the exponential rate of change in HadCrut “adjustments”

  15. rachase says:

    West Antarctic ice sheet has been melting since the last glacial maximum some 20.000+ years ago. Given the natural global climate cycles that are well documented as occurring since the earth has had a climate, it will continue to melt until the current interglacial period begins to wane, as it may already be showing signs of doing. A massive new “study” is needed? Makes even less sense than the current garbage about the new alleged “fact” that Mars has copious water,

  16. Psalmon says:

    Maybe they need more money to buy better liquor. From the Telegraph:

    …drinking [at Antarctic stations] has led to “unpredictable behaviour that has led to fights, indecent exposure, and employees arriving to work under the influence”

    Hope they drill those ice cores straight.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/11913816/Antarctic-scientists-face-breathalyser-tests-due-to-alcohol-fuelled-fighting-and-indecent-exposure.html

    Probably drinking that cheap Russian Vodka stuff. Let’s help buy them some top shelf supplies. This is just not civilized.

  17. Andy says:

    Hold on Steve Goddard, you have a pop at NSIDC but most of that page was journo alarm mongering and rubbish.

    They just said

    ““In some scenarios, the next 50 years or 100 years could see, you could begin to see very rapid ice loss from central West Antarctica. It’s the wild card,” said Ted Scambos, the lead scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center who chaired a meeting earlier this month of West Antarctic scientists outside Loveland, Colorado. Thwaites, says Scambos, has “much more upward potential than we realized.””

    36 words only

    You said, “The process Scambos is describing…”

    But he didn’t describe any process in the piece, he just mentioned “some” scenarios,

    I’m not sure why you paint NSIDC as fundraising when contributors from Penn State, Columbia, British Antartic Survey and University of Washington also chime in ?

    You used to like NSIDC commenting on your postings here in the past … how things change.

    Andy

    • Frank K. says:

      Well, I can understand why they would want fundraise off climate scare stories. That is so they can take even more expen$ive trips to Antarctica to get drunk and party on the taxpayer’s dime!

    • Gail Combs says:

      Where the heck do you think Universities get their funding?

      Notice Penn State, Columbia, and University of Washington are in the top ten Universities to recieve $$$ from Uncle Sam.

      The federal government gave out more than $40 billion for research and development (R&D) to universities across the country in fiscal 2011. Universities depend heavily on federal funding, with many of the top programs relying on the government for more than 60% of their R&D budgets…

      Based on data from the National Science Foundation, these are the 10 universities receiving the most federal funding for research and development.
      1. Johns Hopkins University
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $1.88 billion
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 87.8%
      > 2012 endowment: $2.59 billion

      2. University of Washington, Seattle
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $949 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 82.9%
      > 2012 endowment: $2.11 billion

      3. University of Michigan
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $820 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 64.1%
      > 2012 endowment: $7.69 billion

      4. University of Pennsylvania
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $707 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 79.8%

      > 2012 endowment: $6.75 billion

      5. University of Pittsburgh
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $662 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 73.7%
      > 2012 endowment: $2.62 billion

      6. Stanford University
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $656 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 72.3%

      > 2012 endowment: $17.04 billion

      7. Columbia University
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $645 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 73.4%

      > 2012 endowment: $7.65 billion

      8. University of California, San Diego
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $637 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 63.1%

      > 2012 endowment: $371 million

      9. University of Wisconsin, Madison
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $594 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 53.4%
      > 2012 endowment: $1.81 billion

      10. Duke University
      > Total federal R&D grant money: $585 million
      > Pct. R&D spending from government: 57.3%
      > 2012 endowment: $5.56 billion

      http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/25/universities-getting-the-most-government-money/

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