What Is Fun About This?

I had to drive down to Fredricksburg, Virginia yesterday. This meant leaving at 6 am to miss the traffic on the Beltway. I waited until 6 pm to return home, and got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic all the way back to Gaithersburg. By the time I dropped off the car, and took the Taxi home, it was 9 PM. The whole day shot.

My normal life involves commuting by Internet, bicycle or train. Driving completely sucks. I don’t understand what people like about it.

Future generations will need the petroleum for plastics, medicine, lubrication and many other reasons. We need to stop wasting it.


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59 Responses to What Is Fun About This?

  1. gator69 says:

    Your problem is that you live and work in cities. Cars are not to blame.

    • Martin Smith says:

      Wasn’t that a troll, gator?

      • gator69 says:

        Nope. That is an observation from someone who moved out of the big city years ago, and has enjoyed a better quality of life ever since.

        Understand liar?

    • rah says:

      That problem was simply too many vehicles and not enough road. A common problem in heavily populated urban areas. BTW Steven the I-95 Corridor (meaning not just I-95 but the other primary routes in it’s vicinity) from Boston, MA to Richmond, VA is considered the arm pit of truck driving.

      Wanna get a whole bunch of idiots off the road or at least driving mopeds instead of cars? Institute testing standard equivalent to those the Germans have. Guarantee somewhere between 30% and 50% of those driving now would lose their licenses if that happened.

      • gator69 says:

        Moving out of the city is far easier, and immediate.

        • rah says:

          But my solution would also greatly decrease the accidents and thus save lives. Lots of them I would expect. Not too extreme considering that the DOT implemented the new 8 hour rule (which requires commercial drivers to take a 1/2 hour break before their 8th straight hour of driving) based on a single study which concluded that implementation of that rule would save 14 lives nationally per year.

          If you think I’m being excessive, well maybe I have a reason. We Class A drivers have had our tits in an ever tightening wringer for some time now. We’re restricted in ways that noncommercial drivers are not. The latest one is Michigan DOT requiring that commercial drivers have NOTHING attached to their windshields within the sweep of their wiper blades. A new law which does not apply to non commercial drivers. IOW I can be ticketed and fined for my GPS windshield mount but the driver of a car is not subject to the same despite the fact that I have better forward visibility with more windshield area over all to begin with in big truck.

          Last month I was pulled over for a road side level III inspection in the state of NY for the 2nd time in two years. My own state of Indiana now has over 150 DOT officers working which is about five times the number found in all other comparably sized states.

      • Martin Smith says:

        And implement public transport like the Norwegians have.

        • Gail Combs says:

          I would just be happy if they had put train cars like they had in Germany in Boston! (They have a section for bikes)

          Except for the first and last day of work, I commuted by bike and commuter rail when I worked in Boston. So did my husband. The problem is there was no safe place to store my bike at the rail station during the day. After I had a couple bikes stolen I got a really heavy duty lock. So the thieves turned my bike into scrap metal.

          If you want people to use public transportation make it user friendly. Safe bike paths, safe storage for bikes, bike commuter friendly rail cars and for that matter bike commuter friendly buses.

          Like RAH, I have a CDL and mostly drive a truck and trailer (private) but I still dislike driving in BosNYWash or any big city.

      • Gail Combs says:

        At least institute the test for reflexes at license renewal like the Germans use.

        And yes I got a drivers license in Germany. I was surprised that I had the fastest reflexes in a room full of American military. Probably from spending ten years practicing not getting stepped on by a 1000 pounds of clumsy horse. Broken toes are good incentive for moving your foot fast.

        (I have a real knot head who likes to step on people. Just think I could rent him out to those who fail the test the first time and make gobs of money. I am sure he could teach quick reflexes in no time.)

    • dmmcmah says:


  2. dmmcmah says:

    I believe in freedom of choice. You want to ride a bicycle, fine. Those who prefer cars have the right to drive cars.

  3. It’s all relative, no?

    And those were mainly commuters on bicycles, in Norway, I believe. I don’t see any heavy vehicles in the jam. I wonder if they prohibit commercial tricycles during rush hours:

    • Dave G says:

      visited relatives in Norway a few years ago, 90% of intersections are “traffic circles” weird at 1st but traffic flowed, not the 4 way stops like here

      • Steve Case says:

        I hate traffic circles, they are a fender bender waiting to happen.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Never visit Canberra then !!!

        • rah says:

          Ha! Try negotiating one with two lanes in heavy traffic in a 68′ long vehicle. I used to hate the things but now days I kinda like the challenge of getting through the ones with a single lane without hitting a curb. Some things that in my first year or two of driving a big truck that were a reason for anxiety are now just plain fun.

        • Gail Combs says:

          I hat traffic circles too. In the Boston area they have a lot of them and with the aggressive drivers up there it doesn’t take much to get gridlock. My rigs are a lot smaller than RAH’s but circles are still a PITA.

          They just started putting them in NC The first one I saw had skid marks leading all the way across the circle to the smashed in front porch and living room of a house across the circle. A second one is a REAL loser since part of it is the old entrance ramp going from a 55 mph zone road up to a four lane. They have had a heck of a lot of accidents there. People in NC are unfamiliar with circles so people do not slow and yield to those in the circle do 20 mph they just zip onto the ramp doing 40 mph to 50 mph as they have been doing for years.

      • Rudy says:

        Traffic circles work great, but the problem is driver training and the Ministry of Transportation having a simple road test where it can be next to impossible to fail.

  4. Powers says:

    They look familiar. I think these pictures are circa 1970 out of southeast Asia.

  5. Also, if you didn’t get stuck there you would not have heard the NPR Keystone sermon. Cars are good for something.

  6. rah says:

    You know Steve for over three months 3 times a week I drove the round trip from Anderson, IN to to White Marsh, MD (First exit off I-95 north of the I-695 bypass). I would arrive at the transmission parts plant in White Marsh at 20:00 and take my 10 hour break in the sleeper and then be allowed entry into the plant at 07:00. By 08:30 I was unloaded and reloaded and back on the road going down I-95 to I-695 to catch I-70 W. So I was right in the heart of the morning Baltimore rush three times a week. In bumper to bumper traffic I generally leave a whole rigs length to allow people to get over. It really was funny to see some of those drivers dodging in and out of traffic cutting in and out trying to get ahead. I can see well ahead from my high perch and can tell you that in the end, more often than not, they gained very little by their frantic driving. Just sit back, relax and let if flow man! Even if it seems to be moving at the rate of molasses over sandpaper. It’s kind alike a plane ride. There isn’t a damned thing you can do about it so why worry?

  7. rah says:

    Oh BTW it can be kinda entertaining in those bumper to bumper conditions from the cab of a big truck looking down into automobiles sometimes.

  8. omanuel says:

    Rational use of resources were put on hold during the irrational AGW debate.

    AGW was an attempt to end economic inequality by limiting the size of the per capita CO2 exhaust around the globe. This noble cause has now failed because it is based on a falsehood: THE SUN – NOT CO2 – CONTROLS EARTH’S CLIMATE.

    It was a Herculean task to return society to contact with reality, but we had to try. Yesterday, the Whitehouse finally admitted the biggest threat to the survival of civilization is NOT AGW, but a SOLAR EMP:


    The communications and electrical power grids of modern civilization are NOT NOWshielded from natural eruptions of our pulsar-centered Sun [See: “SOLAR ENERGY”] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280133563 . . . because politicians wanted to end an inequality by convincing the public AGW causes climate change.

    The communications and electrical power grids of modern civilization must be shielded from eruptions of our pulsar-centered Sun.

    SOLAR ENERGYhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/280133563

    Dr. Kenneth M. Towe of the Smithsonian Institution may have carried that message back to the Whitehouse after a length, and brutally honest, discussion of the lack of convincing evidence for AGW on ResearchGate:


  9. Dean Yale says:

    Patience Steven. Part of the UN Agenda 21 tyranny includes no private transportation. You may see your desire fulfilled. BTW: saving petroleum for other uses than transpo makes little sense. The Earth has been, and continues to make bitumen, C6H6, as a natural product of the conversion of CH4, methane, under high heat and compression. Bitumen, a viscous (tar) compound is then diluted to a mixture (petroleum) when it contacts certain elements like Sulfur. The only question is: is production greater, or less that consumption. This is currently unknown.

  10. Robertv says:

    In the past most people used to live close to the workplace and they could find all that they needed in the local shops.
    Now imagine we would all have a horse instead of a car. It would be all horse shit.

    • gator69 says:

      Nineteenth-century cities depended on thousands of horses for their daily functioning. All transport, whether of goods or people, was drawn by horses. London in 1900 had 11,000 cabs, all horse-powered. There were also several thousand buses, each of which required 12 horses per day, a total of more than 50,000 horses. In addition, there were countless carts, drays, and wains, all working constantly to deliver the goods needed by the rapidly growing population of what was then the largest city in the world. Similar figures could be produced for any great city of the time.*

      The problem of course was that all these horses produced huge amounts of manure. A horse will on average produce between 15 and 35 pounds of manure per day. Consequently, the streets of nineteenth-century cities were covered by horse manure. This in turn attracted huge numbers of flies, and the dried and ground-up manure was blown everywhere. In New York in 1900, the population of 100,000 horses produced 2.5 million pounds of horse manure per day, which all had to be swept up and disposed of. (See Edwin G. Burrows and Mike Wallace, Gotham: A History of New York City to 1898 [New York: Oxford University Press, 1999]).


      • Gail Combs says:

        Boy-O-Boy, I would love to switch all the city dwelling Warmists in the USA back into a non-motorized vehicle situation like 1894 for the month of July so I could listen to the howling. With their pampered green noses they complain about the smell of a horse if they get within 10 meters.

        So have ZERO mechanical power within ten miles of all city limits and insist on muscle power (or wind and solar) only. No electric grid either.

  11. Robertv says:

    Not everyone has the same problem.

  12. Japan T says:

    I drive to work once a week. Takes two hours abs $20. in tolls to go a little more than 30 miles. I could take the train but that also takes two hours, no direct routes available but would cost a lot less. So why do I drive?

    When I drive, even when sitting in traffic, the car is at the temperature I prefer. I have the radio set to what I want to listen to and I am the only one in the car.

    Commute by train means two hours of holding onto my brief case while standing crammed into a sardine can of a commuter train, with multiple hot, sweating, smelly bodies pressed against mine. When I disembark, I am drenched in sweat, some of which is my own and wanting nothing more than a shower and a change of clothes. Instead, it is off to class needing the shower and change of clothes and having to wait for over twelve hours before that much needed shower and change of clothes after the second 2 hour trip in the sardine can to get home.

    Never been sneezed on in the face by another commuter five centimeters from my face and had to wait 45 minutes before be able to wipe it away due to my arms being pinned to my body by the mass of other commuters in my car. Not at all an uncommon occurrence on the commuter train.

    Trains also have traffic problems. Left yesterday morning, Sat. at seven to arrive at work early before the 9:30. testing was to begin. Travel time should have been just one hour but I wanted to arrive early to settle in with breakfast and a cup of coffee before starting. After several train delay, I arrived five minutes late without breakfast and worse, no coffee. This was a Saturday morning, should have drove. Could have eaten breakfast and had a whole pot of coffee in the car.

    If you can’t walk or cycle to work, car is the way to go. Public transportation is best avoided if at all possible. Unless of course one enjoys wearing sweat of numerous strangers all day and being sneezed and coughed upon at extreme close range multiple time a day. I for one do not and I am very distressed that anyone would suggest forcing everyone to do so.

    • gator69 says:


    • Bob123 says:

      Not every commute is the same. I take a commuter rail train (heavy rail) as well as two metro lines (one is just one stop) My door to door commute is one hour. If I drive, it’s an easy 90 minute commute or two hours on a bad day. yes, there are days when I think I need marital counseling after riding the metro, but it’s not that often.

      I also use an electric car to get to the train. I do this not in an effort to be green, but because its the fatest and most economical option.(super cheap lease)

      • Japan T says:

        I am happy for you that your commute is not at all like mine. However, it would much more like mine if it were mandated, if car use age was forcibly reduced and the only way to work was by train.

  13. Andy DC says:

    Isn’t the whole idea of commuting so 20th Century? Can’t a lot of people do a lot better working out of home instead of spending 2 hours of wasted energy sitting in traffic?

    • Gail Combs says:

      Actually I now work for myself which is the best way to go.

      In answer to your question Andy, many many people have to go to work because they are in manufacturing (or used to be in manufacturing) or they are in service jobs both of which are hands on.

    • rah says:

      Without motorized transportation there would never have been an industrial revolution. Doesn’t matter how much you produce if you can’t effectively move the mass quantities manufactured to where it needs to go.

      In the US the birth of high volume commute resulted from the mostly post WW II innovation of the suburb.

      During WW II Ford Motor Company built the largest factory under one roof up to that time in the world. It was constructed to build the 4 engine B-24 bombers which to this day remains the 4 engine aircraft built in larger numbers than any other.

      The plant was constructed at Willow Run, MI west of Detroit and in those days even the 32 mi distance from Detroit to the new plant was too far for all but the upper echelon of skilled laborers to commute. Some of them drive 100 mi a day. So housing was eventually built right outside the plant grounds and buses ran the workers in from there. The whole complex included everything one would find in a small city, including a hospital, schools for the kids and trade schools for the workers. All built simply because workers from all over the country came to work there and there was no housing nor available transportation and nor fuel (rationing) nor suitable roads for mass longer distance travel for many of them. Some did drive but most workers that lived at the onsite housing rode buses or bicycles to get to work .The section of what is now I-94 between Detroit and Ypsilanti, MI was eventually built to facilitate commuting and transport of materials and components built off site to the plant. The aircraft produced were tested and flown off to their destinations from the airfield built on site.

      The saga of Willow Run was quite a story. Massive problems plagued Ford in trying to get the lines to run and to get even his skilled autoworkers in tuned to the fact that aircraft manufacture required a much higher level of precision than automobile manufacture. For a time with the project well behind schedule the newspapers printed stories titled “Will it Run”. Eventually they got it all figured out and the plant exceeded the rate of construction that was intended.


  14. Billy Liar says:

    About one hour each way in a small Piper/Cessna – no traffic except what you can see below on the road.

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