Huffington Post Rewriting History Again

The liars at the Huffington Post are claiming that the Boston bombers were not refugees.



The Boston Bombers Were Not Refugees — Neither Was the Paris Attacker | David Bier

As always, they are lying and depending on their cult being stupid people with short memories.



Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were refugees from brutal Chechen conflict – The Washington Post

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  1. Martin Smith says:

    You are missing the point, Steven. You miss so many points it is suspicious. In this case, both boys came to the US as children. Both integrated into American life. Both became radicalized in the US.

    [SG : The point is that many Muslim refugees are not loyal to the US and are happy to kill Americans. Only a complete asshole would want this to continue. I am very suspicious about your agenda to ignore facts and wreck America. You are genuinely disgusting]

    • AndyG55 says:

      Speaking of stuoid cult members with zero intelligence, and zero knowledge of history..

      And Martin appears. .. right on cue.

      Always hoping to be first on a thread.. a stalking troll Gore-bot.

      They WERE refugees.. the Huff says they were not.

      The HUFF is LYING….. AGAIN.

    • Martin Smith says:

      Steven, you have provided no evidence to support your new claim that “many Muslim refugees are not loyal to the US and are happy to kill Americans.” That claim in no way follows from what you wrote in your blog post. These two Muslims migrated to the US as young boys. They were neither terrorists nor radical ideologues. Both integrated into US culture. Both became radicalized in the US. You have no evidence that refugees are a terrorist problem in America or even in Europe. You are demonizing a group of human beings who need help.

      • AndyG55 says:

        You have only ever provided unsubstantiated BS.

        Because that all you have.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Move to Syria seeing you love these guys so much. I DARE you.

        After all…… religion of peace.. or whatever.

        The two boy were REFUGEES bought here by their parents who were REFUGEES.

        How many REFUGEES do you have living with you..

        …. are you helping them out…. or just mouthing EMPTY PLATITUDES as usual.!

      • AndyG55 says:

        “You are demonizing a group of human beings who need help.”

        I repeat.. How many REFUGEES are you helping? How many living with you?

        Come on, squirmy little worm….. answer the question.

        • Gail Combs says:

          As RAH said many of these so called REFUGEES are from other areas entirely and get fake passports in Turkey.

          ISIS has point blank called for Jihad. The REFUGEES flooding into Europe are mostly military age men not women and children. WHY are the most vulnerable, the women and kids left in the war zone while MILITARY age MEN are moving HMMMMmm.

          <b.Didn't anyone teach you the story of the Trojan Horse?

        • rah says:

          I’m sure Martin thinks he is like a Greek soldier in the Trojan horse.
          BTW the Trojan Horse was the first Crest of US Army Special Forces.
          Worn on the Flash of the Beret.
          Now all Army SF wears the authorized unit crest in the same position on the beret but wear the Beret in a different way.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Notice how he totally ignores answering the question..

          Well here is another couple for you Martin.

          Would you move into a Muslim neighbourhood?

          Would you assimilate with them and live by their Sharia law?

        • AndyG55 says:

          Actually, forget the second question…

          I know the answer.. the bestiality, child sex, brutality towards women, etc ..

          …. right down your alley.

      • rah says:

        It’s really simple Martin.

        Without a certain level of cultural Assimilation of immigrants into the existing culture of the receiving state you get either Balkanization or civil war or some other manner of strife and possible destruction of the investing society. The precepts of the Muslim religion and law as stated in the Koran and interpreted by an obviously large percentage of it’s followers do not allow for adequate cultural assimilation. Thus you see the demands for Sharia law where none existed before. You see cartoonists and publishers deemed to have disparaged the Muslim prophet murdered . And you see indiscriminate attacks against all others within the society who’s culture or religion does not meet the demands of Islam even by “home grown” Muslims.

        BTW anyone that paid any attention to the statements of the mother of those two mass murderers knows a big reason why they never assimilated.

        • Martin Smith says:

          rah, you have misunderstood the meaning of assimilate. It is a two-way street, and it doesn’t require either end to give up its beliefs. That’s why there are still lots of Americans who still believe the planet is 6,000 years old and evolution is false.

        • rah says:

          No I didn’t misunderstand anything and in fact provided a link to the sociological explanation of the term which you OBVIOUSLY did not care to learn from. As with most brain dead leftists, you make up definitions to fit what your own ideas as you have adopted them from the left demand they be. Assimilation is a two way street but in the most important aspects of law and order of society and government the minority must adapt to the majority and Muslims that faithfully follow the precepts of their religion are forbidden from doing that.

          I wonder Martin. Have you ever spend any time in a Muslim dominated country? How much time have you even spent in Europe? Ever been to Turkey or Lebanon, or Egypt? Ever seen the differences in the two sides of the Island of Cyprus? The difference between Larnaca and Kyrenia?

        • Gail Combs says:

          Martin Smith is doing his usual PROGRESSIVE WORD spin in his continued support of the International Corporate Cartels!

          Cultural assimilation, or ‘assimilation’ for short . . ., is an intense process of consistent integration when members of an ethno-cultural group, typically immigrants, or other minority groups, are “absorbed” into an established, generally larger community.

          The Progressives, ever since they agreed to annihilate the USA in the 1930s,link have been working hard to rip apart American Culture.

          “Leading progressives value Opednews!”
          And this is on Oped News:

          ….With World War II, America saw its agricultural system intentionally subjected to political policies that radically transformed it. What was once a decentralized system that provided a means to self sufficiency and independence for tens of millions of farmers was purposefully centralized into a capital-intensive fossil-fuel dependent system that restructured local economies, permitting their wealth to be extracted by what are now transnational cartels dedicated to the so-called free market and globalized trade at all costs.

          This transformation was the result of organized plans developed by a group of highly powerful — though unelected — financial and industrial executives who wanted to drastically change agricultural practices in the US to better serve their collective corporate financial agenda. This group, called the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations. CED has influenced US domestic policies in much the same way that the CFR has influenced the nation’s foreign policies….

          In a number of reports written over a few decades, CED recommended that farming “resources” — that is, farmers — be reduced. In its 1945 report “Agriculture in an Expanding Economy,” CED complained that “the excess of human resources engaged in agriculture is probably the most important single factor in the ‘farm problem'” and describes how agricultural production can be better organized to fit to business needs….

          Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn’t help but congratulate itself in another agricultural report called “A New US Farm Policy for Changing World Food Needs” for the efficiency of the tactics they employed to drive farmers from their land.[5]

          The human cost of CED’s plans were exacting and enormous.

          CED’s plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities. The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers’ lives ended in suicide [6], not unlike farmers in India today who have been tricked into debt and desperation and can see no other way out.[7]

          The CED is continuing its attack on American farmers and the American way of live today. link

        • Martin Smith says:

          rah, read your own references! You have misunderstood the meaning of assimilate.

        • gator69 says:

          Assimilate: verb as·sim·i·late \ə-ˈsi-mə-ˌlāt\ to cause (a person or group) to become part of a different society, country, etc.

          : to adopt the ways of another culture : to fully become part of a different society, country, etc.

          It’s not a two way street idiot.

        • catweazle666 says:

          “rah, you have misunderstood the meaning of assimilate. It is a two-way street,”

          No, it is nothing of the kind, you moron.

          Our gaff, our rules.


    • Ted says:


      You’ve provided no evidence that the Tsarnaev brothers were not refugees. Tony has provided evidence that they were. Can you give us a reason we should believe you over Tony and the Washington Post?

  2. Gail Combs says:

    Martin Smith is SO WRONG!

    I am part Syrian. Three of my four grandparents came from Europe. In ALL three cases the my grandparents became Americans and INTEGRATED into the American culture. My husband is the same with three out of four non-american grandparents. And again they INTEGRATED into the American culture.

    INTEGRATED into the American culture is KEY!!

    But the Progressives invented multiculturalism and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture so the kids DO NOT GROW UP AMERICAN. Therefore we have ‘Chinatown’ and Muslim no-go areas like Islamberg. Even in Raleigh NC there are Muslim only schools now where the kids are sequestered from American culture. I have done gigs at these schools and the culture IS NOT AMERICAN.

    In 2004 Richard D. Lamm, former governor of Colorado — Democrat (1975–1987), identified what the Progressives like Martin Smith and Chris Barron are actually up to. This is why they HAVE TO LIE, to protect The Cause, Global Governance.

    I have a plan to destroy America

    I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think….

    We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: “The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon – all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons and Corsicans.”

    I would then invent “multiculturalism” and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds….

    I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences, rather than Americans emphasizing their similarities.

    Having done all this, I would make our fastest-growing demographic group the least educated – I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50 percent dropout rate from school.

    I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of victimology. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was all the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.

    I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would “celebrate diversity.” “Diversity” is a wonderfully seductive word. It stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other – that is, when they are not killing each other.….

  3. Martin Smith says:

    I see the source of your confusion, Steven. These two young men were originally refugees. But they had lived in America for many years after they arrived as refugees. Most of us consider the term “refugee” to refer to an acute state of desperation. It doesn’t last forever. After the acute state dissipates and the refugee rebuilds a new life, which both these boys did, he isn’t a refugee anymore, except in the historical sense, which is just a semantic game. Try not to do that. It makes you look pedantic.

    • David A says:

      S. Martin, a” a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds” You demonstrate this in your behavior, which is exactly what you accuse others of, both pedantic and lacking thought and any nuance.

      It is well known that Muslims, with M.E. state controls over Mosques world wide (Mosques are branches of Islamic states supporting sharia law and jihad, be it stealth or violent) prevent Muslim assimilation into other cultures, and prey upon disenfranchised youth in every nation they inhabit. Read Gail’s post above you.

      You deserve the troll label, because you ignore, as in fail to DIRECTLY address the arguments made against your thoughtless thoughts. For instance you stated, “Most of us consider the term “refugee” to refer to an acute state of desperation” but ignore the clear question then of why the women and children are left behind in this ” acute state of desperation”. You ignore the M.E ambassador to India telling India that over 20 percent of the “refugees” have ties to ISIS and many others to additional Islamist groups. You ignore the proven documentation that in every nation allowing large Muslim immigrants, they do not integrate, but support in the majority sharia law, including allowing husbands to rape their wives.

      • Martin Smith says:

        I didn’t ignore that question, David. I answered it. You, too, have misunderstood the meaning of assimilate.

        • David A says:

          There was no question to answer regarding documented evidence that Sharia law compliant Muslims do not assimilate, just a challenge, which you never addressed. Regarding this, Martin says, “Most of us consider the term “refugee” to refer to an acute state of desperation” but Martin ignores the clear question then of why the women and children are left behind in this ” acute state of desperation”. You never addressed.

        • Martin Smith says:

          David, I answered the question of why the women and children are left behind. Please repeat your challenge, as I don’t know what you are talking about.

        • David A says:

          I missed it, why?

        • Martin Smith says:

          Sorry. I put this in the wrong place, rah.

          There are two reasons. First, the journey out of the war/insurgency zones in the ME is extremely dangerous. Thousands have died along the way, most by drowning in the Mediterranean. So the man of the family makes the journey alone. If he makes it, and if his request for asylum is accepted, he then settles in and finds a job and sends money back to his family. Then he applies to have his family join him, and if his application is accepted, his family can use the money to fly or take a train or use some other safe passage to safety.

          Second, when ISIS captures young or fighting age men, it forces them to join ISIS and/or abandon their beliefs to adopt the ISIS version of Islam. The penalty for refusal is death. Women and children aren’t forced to fight. Nevertheless, many women and children do attempt the journey.

        • rah says:

          Ever notice how leftists demand separation of Church and State for everyone but the followers of Islam that come here? I get so sick of this talk of how it is wrong, both legally and morally, to apply a “religious test” to the immigrants, be they legal or not, when in fact the Koran is a religion that demands that the power of the state be used to eliminate or subjugate adherents of all other faiths or belief systems.

      • Martin Smith says:

        For example, did the Branch Davidians have the right to set up their cult in Waco, Texas? Or do you claim that they are people who never assimilated? Because as far as I know, they were all American citizens. That means, by definition, they were assimilated, despite some of their beliefs being diametrically opposed to what I believe. Muslim refugees/immigrants can argue for Sharia law in America. That’s what the first amendment guarantees. They just can’t implement Sharia law, because it is unconstitutional.

        • rah says:

          I see so you believe Islam is the same a cult! Got ya!

          Also concerning the application of Foreign and International Law in Constitutional Adjudication we have had and have dead hard core leftist justices sitting on that say things like this:

        • Martin Smith says:

          rah, I don’t believe Islam is the same as a cult. If you won’t answer my questions, I shall assume you can’t.

        • rah says:

          The way did you compare them? Just the usual mental diarrhea that leftist always display when they can’t argue a point to it’s conclusion they always deflect as you did. Sooooooooo typical. And many Muslims don’t just “argue” for Sharia, they institute it in contravention of existing law right in this country and others and you damned well know that I suspect but would never bring it up.

          Now Martin I ask what practical benefits to our Nation have Islam or Muslims brought to help this nations societal, technological and/or industrial progress? Immigrants that assimilate bring with them properties or customs or values that advance the society they are eventually accepted into. That too is a two way street. Do please tell us about what they have brought!

        • Martin Smith says:

          I didn’t compare them, rah. You are using the example of Muslim religious extremism on the part of some Muslims to support your claim that Muslims don’t assimilate. I refuted your claim with the counter-example of Christian religious extremism by Americans who were assimilated.

        • rah says:

          A CULT! I have not seen any question you have addressed to me specifically. Only a rather pathetic defense of the admission of possible terrorists by comparing them to a Cult that was wiped out after they fired on Federal Agents. I guess you could also compare Muslim lack of assimilation to the subsequent bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma City by McVeigh and co-conspirators also. But I fail to see how it supports your claims.

          All the above have something in common. They were CRIMINALS under the eyes of the law and that is what you claim disputes the fact that a great number of Muslims fail to assimilate? Comparing Muslims that do not assimilate to the criminal elements in our society? I guess in your mind the Colombine HS murderers or any other such crimes are also a great examples of how American born kids failed to assimilate also.

        • Martin Smith says:

          Sorry, rah, I have no idea what you are trying to say. That being the case, I have nothning more to contribute.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I have nothning more to contribute.”

          So.. your contributions still stand at a large negative number.

        • Gail Combs says:

          What did you expect Andy? Over time? It is the end of Martin’s work day.

      • Martin Smith says:

        Sorry. There are two reasons. First, the journey out of the war/insurgency zones in the ME is extremely dangerous. Thousands have died along the way, most by drowning in the Mediterranean. So the man of the family makes the journey alone. If he makes it, and if his request for asylum is accepted, he then settles in and finds a job and sends money back to his family. Then he applies to have his family join him, and if his application is accepted, his family can use the money to fly or take a train or use some other safe passage to safety.

        Second, when ISIS captures young or fighting age men, it forces them to join ISIS and/or abandon their beliefs to adopt the ISIS version of Islam. The penalty for refusal is death. Women and children aren’t forced to fight. Nevertheless, many women and children do attempt the journey.

        • rah says:

          Yes they have no principles to rely upon except Islam thus they run instead of fight. The run instead of being beheaded as so many of the Christians have been caught by ISIS.

          Look Martin the fact is that as per the Constitution our leadership is to first and foremost protect the security of the nation and it’s legal citizens. It is their FIRST moral and legal obligation. It was the reason why the Constitution was written in the first place when the Articles of Confederation failed to provide for the necessary common defense and other functions needed to serve the needs of the nation. There is absolutely no legal or moral obligation to allow any immigration into this nation that succeeds this basic precept of the duty our leadership is charged with when they take the oath. Thus every example of allowing undocumented immigrants into this nation is an example of our leadership having forsaken their vows to protect the security of this nation and the legal citizens. and now we have a president that even refuses to tell the Governors of the states where the Federal government is implanting these people. And you here are defending all of this as legal and proper and moral.

        • Martin Smith says:

          That argument applies to all entries into the country, so allowing airline flights and passenger ships and freighters into the country, and allowing vehicles to cross our borders, all of these present potential threats, but we allow them. So it is with immigrants. And because the government is charged with protecting the nation, that also means protecting the nation from AGW, which means the government has a moral obligation to do what it can, and to advocate for, ending AGW. And this moral obligation need not be based on certain knowledge. The probability that AGW will cause millions of deaths and trillions in damage is far greater than the probability that any particular refugee is a terrorist, and it is almost certain that AGW will cause far, far more damage than all the terrorists in the world could manage in all the generations of terrorism. So you should be more consistent than you are. Really, none of you is consistent, morally and ethically.

        • rah says:

          I am not talking about mistakes that occur. I’m talking about the violations across the board Martin. There is no justification for the leaderships failure to try and enforce the laws and uphold their oaths. And only an idiot would believe that a failure to do so at places and times in the past justifies not doing so now! And that is the exact argument you have made!

        • David A says:

          Today you finally answer a question, which at least allows dialogue for your false logic. The process you describe takes at least two years. leaving your family behind for two years hardly describes a deadly and urgent situation requiring refugee status. Leaving a wife in the hands of ISIS for two years would guarantee her conversion or radicalization or death. Women are forced into Islamic terrorist as well, including suicide belts where money is paid to surviving relatives. Your argument makes no sense, and is not reality.

          Yes you did assert that because a person is a US citizen they are by definntion assimilated…
          “Because as far as I know, they were all American citizens. That means, by definition, they were assimilated,=============================================

          You were making an illogical example about the Branchdavidian cult. What did they do, what was the result, and how is that cogent to millions of Muslims immigrating into the western world and their anti-constitutional insistence on sharia law.

        • AndyG55 says:

          I wonder how many of the young, fit, healthy men actually have families that they left back in Syria at the tender mercies of ISIS.

          COWARDS, every one of them.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “The probability that AGW will cause millions of deaths and trillions in damage ”

          IS BASICALLY ZERO !!!

          There has been NO WARMING for 18+ years,

          And because El Ninos don’t have an anthropogenic cause….

          there is ABSOLUTELY NO AGW SIGNAL in the whole 37 years of the satellite temperature series.

          AGW is a MYTH, a failed hypothesis, a SCAM.

  4. David A says:

    Like I said and you just demonstrated, you do not actually address any argument made contrary to your baseless assertions. You have above you two posts with links explaining why most Muslims do not assimilate, and you never addressed any of those points made. Instead you define assimilate as simply being an “official” American citizen, an entirely illogical assumption. You then mis-direct to a small cult in Waco, not at all relevant to a world wide religion with close to two billion adherents. I am not certain of what they did that was so wrong, but it is not germane to our conversation.
    You then assert that the first amendment protects one from punishment for advocating rape and stoning, and murder, and the overthrow of the secular constitutional government of the US. This is called sedition, and is illegal.

    • Martin Smith says:

      David, you have misunderstood the meaning of assimilate. Most Muslims do assimilate. You have claimed that I equate assimilate with becoming a citizen. I never made any such claim. Your refusal to refute the example of the Branch Davidians explains your intransigence. You can’t refute it. In fact, extreme beliefs are allowed in America, and the holding of extreme beliefs does not mean the holder has not assimilated. Nor did I assert the first amendment protects illegal behavior. Now you have also misunderstood the meaning of sedition.

      • rah says:

        You say a lot and offer not one bit of data or facts to back your claims. Your a light weight that just pumps out what he wants to believe without verifying it is the fact before doings so. And that is why your claims about what “real science” here have not been and never will be accepted.

        • Martin Smith says:

          I think there are more than 5 million Muslims in America, rah. Very few of them are terrorists/evil/asshole-ish. That’s enough evidence that they have been assimilated. But please note that assimilation does not require abandoning one’s religious beliefs. That was kind of the whole reason most of the original immigrants came here from England.

        • rah says:

          Again an assertion without an ounce of data.

        • Martin Smith says:

          rah, you can look up the Muslim population in America.

    • Gail Combs says:

      It is also called TREASON since we have a declared ‘War on Terrorism’
      That may seem like just PR words but it have very definite legal ramifications.

      That means many, many US muslims are TRAITORS since ISIS has proved itself many times over to be a terrorist organization. Also ANY mosque or muslim preaching adherence to radical islam is ALSO A TRAITOR!

      Strict adherence to the rule of law would see about 60% of the muslims in this country put to death for this.

      June 23, 2015, Center for Security Policy
      Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad

      ….Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.

      According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).

      More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.

      ….Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, <b.“It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

      Nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country.

      The findings of the Center for Security Policy’s survey of Muslims in America suggests that we have a serious problem. The Pew Research Center estimates that the number of Muslims in the United States was 2.75 million in 2011, and growing at a rate of 80-90 thousand a year. If those estimates are accurate, the United States would have approximately 3 million Muslims today. That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that shariah is “The Muslim God Allah’s law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad.”

      Remember the Founding Fathers were only 10% of the population at the time of the revolution.

      From the ECONOMIST (And the PEW report)

      51% of U.S. Muslims want Sharia; 60% of young Muslims more loyal to Islam than to U.S.

      …In Islamic history and doctrine violent jihad is founded on numerous verses of the Qur’an — most notably, one known in Islamic theology as the “Verse of the Sword”: “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful” (9:5). Establishing “regular worship” and paying the “poor-due” (zakat) means essentially that they will become Muslim, as these are two of the central responsibilities of every Muslim. ….

      Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

      ….If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience.

  5. David A says:

    More on sedition. The founding constitutional protections of the US are based on protecting individual liberty from ALL group force, be it government, religious, or corporate of any kind. Our founders recognized that it takes group force, to protect individuals from group force. Thomas Jefferson called this the necessary evil of government. Thus invoking the crime of sedition against any group advocating the overthrow of our fundamental constitutional liberties is moral and necessary..

    • Martin Smith says:

      You argued about sharia law, not overthrowing the US government. Advocating for sharia law is not advocating overthrow of the US government. Advocating for sharia law is protected by the first amendment.

      • pmc47025 says:

        Yes, “Advocating for sharia law” is allowed. However, moral and law abiding Americans are outraged by the suggestion.

        Martin, you must be a paid contrarian. No human could be as ignorant as you pretend to be, unless you are a Muslim working for the NOAA.

        • David A says:

          pmc, by definition Sharia Law and Islamic jurisprudence advocate legal rape, female genital mutilations, honor killings and other legalized murder as well as social inequalities or an Islamic form of the cast system, and is therefore sedition against the US of America.

        • David A says:

          I forgot to add sharia also demands overthrow of separation of church and state.

        • pmc47025 says:

          David, understood. The “moral and law abiding Americans” comment was intended to imply that Sharia is both immoral and illegal (on a number of levels!).

      • Gail Combs says:

        BULL SHIT!
        The Constitution is the LAW of the LAND. The muslims want to REPLACE THAT LAW with SHARIA LAW. THAT IS SEDITION if not outright TREASON!

        If the Chinese came to the USA and tried to replace the Constitution with Chinese law we would regard that as an INVASION and an ACT of WAR! This is the exact same thing. An invasion with the replacement of OUR GOVERNMENT with THEIR GOVERNMENT.

        That is an ACT of WAR buddy, even if we have the OK of the muslim Tratior in Chief.

      • gator69 says:

        Advocating for sharia law is not advocating overthrow of the US government.

        Yes it is, because sharia law is incompatible with our government.

      • catweazle666 says:

        You really are completely clueless, Smith.

        How old are you?

      • David A says:

        By definition Sharia Law and Islamic jurisprudence advocate legal rape, female genital mutilations, honor killings and other legalized murder as well as social inequalities or an Islamic form of the cast system, and is therefore sedition against the US of America.

  6. Gail Combs says:

    BTW the best place for information is

    Who are we?

    We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all. Most of us took a prolonged period of time to study, evaluate and contemplate on Islam, the religion of our birth. Having meticulously scrutinized Islam, we concluded that it is not a religion of peace at all, as touted by smooth-talking, self-serving Muslims and their apologists from non-Muslim backgrounds. The core of Islam—namely the Qur’an, Hadis and Sharia—is filled with unbounded hatred of the unbelievers, unbelievably intolerant toward them, and extremely cruel and merciless to those Muslims, who dare to deviate from its doctrines.

    We also realized that Islam is beyond reformation, because Muslims—who attempt to modernize and reform its unremitting bigotry, irrational rituals, and cruel and draconian punitive measures—are targeted for annihilation. Our verdict was that the only way to escape from the tyranny of Islam is to leave it altogether. We have, therefore, discarded Islam from our life, so that we can be free to enjoy a normal, pleasant and humane life in complete harmony with all peoples on earth, irrespective of their religion, race or creed.

    Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam for years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie, most of us have left Islam silently, because of the mortal threats of Islam on our life. As Islamic terrorism and violence overwhelms the world, particularly in the post-9/11 years, we also felt that it’s a responsibility upon us to make world’s 1.4+ billion Muslims aware of the falsity of their religion and its cruel nature, so that they can make informed choices and leave Islam to live with love, respect and harmony with the rest of humanity.

    We also felt it incumbent upon us to make the non-Muslim world aware of the reality of Islam, and undertake timely precautionary measures against this religion of terror, hatred and mayhem….

    • Gail Combs says:

      Then why did the Jews travel out of Germany as a group. Why was Ayn Rand sent out of Russia as a young child.

      I will answer that.
      Because Muslims don’t give a shit about their women (or children.) With 4 wives the kids can easily be replaced.

      Bosch Fawstin writes of growing up as a Muslim and watching a relative kick his pregnant wife down the stairs for no reason while the rest of the men looked on and did nothing. He mentions the beatings he and his sibs endured and his mother crying when his sister birthed a girl, (a slave.) (Can’t find the link darn it!)

      Tuesday, April 17, 2012: My Name is Bosch and I’m a Recovered Muslim

      …Another problem with Muslims who aren’t very Muslim is that they lead some among us to conclude that they must be practicing a more enlightened form of Islam. They’re not. They’re “practicing” life in non-Muslim countries, where they are free to live as they choose. But their “Islam” is not the Islam. There’s no separate ideology apart from Islam that’s being practiced by these Muslims in name only, there’s no such thing as “Western Islam”.

      Non-observant Muslims are not our problem, but neither are they the solution to our problem. Our problem is Islam and its most consistent practitioners. There is nothing in Islam that stays the hand of Muslims who want to kill non-Muslims. If an individual Muslim is personally peaceful, it’s not because of Islam, it’s because of his individual choice….

  7. kentclizbe says:

    Of course, the PC-Progressive attempts to flush the truth of the bombers’ refugee status are despicable.

    However, the truth is a bit more complicated–it was not Islam that turned Djokar, the bomber, and his brother into deadly killers. It was Politically Correct Progressive indoctrination by American schools, media, and Hollywood that made them despise the country that accepted them.

    As I wrote in the Newsmax article below, published just after the bombing, the question is NOT, “How could these boys do this?” The question we should be asking is, “Why doesn’t EVERY American kid indoctrinated in this self-loathing commit violent acts against Normal-Americans?”

    And in fact, American kids ARE turning on Normal-American culture–more and more and more. See the Black Lives Matter. See Missouri. See Yale. See Baltimore. See Ferguson. See your local college….

    These self-loathing activists, filled with hatred of American life, are NOT led by Islam.

    “Younger brother Dzhokhar graduated from the celebrated Boston high school Cambridge Rindge and Latin School (CRLS). A graduate of CRLS has had years of anti-American claptrap crammed down his throat.

    “The media has widely quoted retired CRLS teacher Larry Aaronson’s shocked reminiscences about Dzhokhar. Aaronson told The Boston Globe, “This is a progressive town, the People’s Republic, and how could this be in our midst?

    “I’m at a loss. I’m at a total and complete loss.”

    “Well, Larry might start looking at his own classroom handiwork. Aaronson is an acolyte of the raving, America-hating, deceased “revisionist historian” Howard Zinn.”

    It may be comforting to blame Islam for hatred of America, but look at the facts and reality, here in America. There is an entire political party that is based on hatred of Normal-America, and is dedicated to our destruction. No need to blame immigrants. The vectors of destruction are probably living in your basements, and eating your Cheerios, spending your money on Starbucks….your progeny.

    • Gail Combs says:

      DRAT, I mention ‘he who shall not be named’ and got booted into the ether despite using ** and not spelling it out fully.
      Kent the problem goes back further than the Soviet Union.
      In 1930s the decision was made openly to obliterate the USA and openly endorsed by Progressive FDR. link

      The ground work to get this accepted was laid decades earlier by John Dewey, founding member of the American Fabian Society. Dewey was ALREADY experimenting on American children in 1896 in a Lab financed by John D. Rockefeller at the University of Chicago. link
      Dewey was working to come up with a system of education to turn American Individualists into self-loathing collectivists.

      John D. Rockefeller was also part of the crew that saddled us with the Federal Reserve AND the income tax. The moneys harvested from American citizens were then used to stage the Russian Revolution in 1917. Remarks in Congress, 1934

      Rockefeller sent his son, David Rockefeller to the Fabian founded London School of Economics for his education. David has been promoting Global Government his entire life. The Soviet Union is just one ‘battle’ in a much wider war against freedom and the middle class. As Far as I can tell Karl Marx was actually a propagandist for the elite who wanted a return to the two class system of Serf and Aristocrat. link

      Islam is a similar system and that is why the FABIAN Progressives are now promoting it.

      “The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors,’ and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous ‘cash payment.’ It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation.” ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

      Destruction of the middle class and subjugation of the masses is the goal. The Elite tried Atheist Communism and it failed. Now they are trying a really nasty totalitarian religion — God help us!

  8. Gail Combs says:

    Three Things About Islam

    An excellent video about Islam

  9. kentclizbe says:


    “Fabians” were just German refugees who were carrying out Muenzenberg’s covert influence operation in the academy. Muenzenberg was their contemporary in German socialist circles. They are simply carrying out Muenzenberg’s plans. (As was the other commonly misidentified carrier of PC-Progressive cultural destruction, Gramsci).

    Muenzenberg’s operations against the US started in the 1920s.

    Yes, the Wall Street crowd was involved in the development of PC-Progressivism, and the destruction of Normal-American culture. But they were pretty much powerless, compared to the destruction wrought by the Comintern operations. They may have provided some of the infrastructure, but the payloads, foot soldiers, and operational muscle came from the KGB’s covert influence operators.

    Dewey was a piker compared to George S. Counts, Dewey’s protege/successor at Columbia Teachers College. Dewey explicitly rejected the Soviet influence ops. Counts embraced the destruction of American culture, the KGB, and the prestige they afforded him. Counts is the father of the message that the Tsarnaevs followed when they attacked Normal-Americans.

    Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the destruction of American culture. While the KGB was quietly infiltrating American culture, from 1918 to 1941, Muslim went about their lives, living in their own countries, with not a thought about the USA. Only after 1948, and the subsequent decades, did Muslims see the US in a negative light. PC-Progressives destroyed our Normal culture.

    As long as the USA meddles in the Middle East, taking one side against others, we’ll create hatred and bad feelings. But that is totally unrelated to the destruction of our traditional culture. Two totally separate issues.

    The USA has a totally separate problem (from Europe and the Middle East) with our own invaders and armed insurgents:

    Heavily armed revolutionaries threatening to “off the pigs” in Texas? Muslims? Ah, no. Black Panthers.

    “A group of New Black Panthers armed with rifles faced off with sheriff’s deputies Wednesday outside the Texas jail where Sandra Bland died, where a leader of the protesters shouted an apparent threat to law enforcement.”

    • Gail Combs says:

      Thanks Kent,

      We are looking at the same problem with more than one tentacle.

      • kentclizbe says:


        I call the various manifestations of anti-Normal belief systems “opportunistic infections.”

        Normal-American culture was our country’s immune system. Our cultural transmission belts transmitted to each successive generation the story of America: a land of freedom, liberty, opportunity.

        When those transmission belts (the media, academia/education, Hollywood) were infected with the anti-Normal payload, our culture lost its immune system.

        Now any anti-Normal message is celebrated by PC-Progs, simply for its anti-Normal content. Our immune system is gone. We are unable to recognize attacks on our culture, much less to fend them off.

        Their are hugely dangerous attacks on-going INSIDE our culture and country. Islam ain’t one of them.

        American is invaded. Thousands of invaders pour over the border every day. The invaders are NOT Arabs or Muslims. We are NOT Europe. We are NOT Israel. We are a decayed and crumbling US of America. Don’t be distracted by something happening in Paris, or Iraq, or Libya.

        Aztlan Rising

        • Gail Combs says:

          I see it as multiple attacks from multiple sources but the biggest is the attack from inside DC.

          That attack is the most dangerous and will set the rest off including the muslims resulting in a bloody revolution and an overthrow of our government.

        • Gail Combs says:

          I also see the muslims as an aid to getting guns banned. That is why the MSM never bothers to mention the shooters are muslim jihadists or on prescription drugs force on children by the US school system. The MSM never mentioned the mentally deranged are out on our streets as the homeless or killing people thanks to St Kennedy’s war on mental hospitals.

          As I said the biggest danger to the USA sits inside the DC beltline.

        • kentclizbe says:

          “As I said the biggest danger to the USA sits inside the DC beltline.”

          They’re just tools. The dangerous ones control the transmission of our culture–the media, education/academia and Hollywood. When we lost those, from 1918 to 1940, the battle was already over, we just did not know it.

          That’s where the hate-America-first belief system came from.

          The PC-Progs in the Democrat party are full-on total believers of the “Normal-America is evil and must be changed” payload.

          Fake “conservative” Republicans gin up never-ending wars in the Middle East for their patrons.

          Muslims and guns?

          How about illegal Hispanic invaders and every weapon you can imagine?

          “Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. ”

          Every year the Catholic invaders slaughter more Americans than died on 9/11.

          They are here, right now. They are slaughtering Americans right now. They are energized by their religion.

          “Conventional wisdom holds that narco gang and drug cartel violence in Mexico is primarily secular in nature. This viewpoint has been recently challenged by the activities of the La Familia cartel and some Los Zetas, Gulfo, and other cartel adherents of the cult of Santa Muerte (Saint Death) by means of religious tenets of ‘divine justice’ and instances of tortured victims and ritual human sacrifice offered up to a dark deity, respectively. Severed heads thrown onto a disco floor in Michoacan in 2005 and burnt skull imprints in a clearing in a ranch in the Yucatán Peninsula in 2008 only serve to highlight the number of such incidents which have now taken place. Whereas the infamous ‘black cauldron’ incident in Matamoros in 1989, where American college student Mark Kilroy’s brain was found in a ritual nganga belonging to a local narco gang, was the rare exception, such spiritual-like activities have now become far more frequent.”

          And we’re worried about Muslims?

        • Gail Combs says:

          Thanks Kent

          I was aware of the drug cartel but not the connection to a ‘dark religion’ except as fiction. (Like the book I am reading now) There is certainly the Mayan and Aztec religions to draw from.

          Digging Into The History Of Mexico’s Grim Santa Muerte

          Yeah, not good. Looks like a mix.

        • kentclizbe says:


          The point is that they are HERE, now, and murdering, raping, robbing, and terrorizing Americans now. They are a huge force. They pour across the border daily. Their intent is to destroy America.

          But the fake “conservatives” ignore this actual, real, existential threat to our country. Why?

          Two reasons, first is the Chamber of Commerce, establishment reason: They like cheap labor. Period. They want their maids, gardeners, stoop laborers to continue to be low cost. Second is the “Shel Adleson” effect. He is the Vegas-based gambling gazillionaire who funds pretty much every fake “conservative” candidate. He cares nothing for America. He is totally focused on his religious beliefs and the country that supports them.

          So, instead we are told to be afraid, very afraid of Sharia, which will come get your daughters “some day.” In the meantime, pretend that hundreds of thousands of Catholic invaders are not pouring across the country, armed, with the intention of seizing control of a huge swath of the USA.

        • Gail Combs says:


          I wrote this a while ago and reposted it HERE in 2013.

          So yes I am well aware of the flood across our borders and the fact it is condoned, aided and abetted by the liars in DC and in the media.

          However I was not aware of the religion you had pointed out. I am also aware that some want to take over this country. (I do parties for a lot of Hispanics and tongues get loose when the alcohol flows.)

        • kentclizbe says:

          Ask ’em about La Raza, Reconquista, Aztlan next time.

          Or better yet, look into it yourself.

          This is where Normal-Americans’ energies and concerns should be focused–on actual existential threats to OUR country–not to Iraq, or France, or Turkey, or Lebanon, or any other place 5000 miles and an ocean away.

          Here. On our soil. In our nation. Attacking, plotting, killing, raping. Now.

  10. gofer says:

    Islam forbids muslims to integrate into the society of unbelievers. They are told to separate themselves. Every country muslims have entered ended up as an Islamic country. Turkey used to be Christian. Its now 99.7% muslim. It too several centuries but it happened but its moving faster now. Sweden is about ready to fall.

    Mohammed preached peace for 13 years in Mecca and got 150 converts. After moving to Medina, he altered his method to violent conquest and got 100,000 converts in 9 years. Those are two Qurans in one. There is a dualism in Islam which can say the Quran teaches peace and violence and both are technically correct. Interesting that 64% of Islamic writings of the Hadith, Sira and Koran are devoted to Mohammed’s life while 14% talks about allah and nearly 10% about hatred of Jews. As a comparison, Mein Kampt is 7% about Jew hatred.

    • kentclizbe says:

      “Every country muslims have entered ended up as an Islamic country.”

      What are you smoking?

      Muslims have been in America from the earliest days of colonization.

      Muslims have been in China for 1400 years.

      Muslims have been in Vietnam for 1400 years.

      Muslims have been in the UK for hundreds of years.

      The exact same claim could be made for Christianity, or Buddhism. Except Christianity is much more robust (or used to be before the churches were infiltrated by PC-Progressives) in its proselytization.

      For examples, see South America, sub-Saharan Africa, the Philippines.

      • gofer says:

        Sorry, didn’t mean where they were, but Middle East countries, like Turkey when Mohammed started his conquests. I was referring a period of time when Islam completely changed a religion of other countries, since much of the mid east had other religions. I believe Afghanistan was Buddist and others were Hindu as well as Christian that now are Islamic.

        • David A says:

          Gofer’s point is accurate in that the higher the percentage of the Muslim population, the more they push for Sharia law, This has been demonstrated many times.

          There is much greater assimilation of a much larger portion of Mexican people then of Muslims. Yes our liberal education system has done great harm to this process, and they are showing signs of being radicalized as well, but the world as a whole has far more problems with the much larger and more violent aspect of Muslim Jihadists.

        • kentclizbe says:


          Tell that to the folks in Mexico. Or to the families of the 12 Americans murdered every day by illegal Catholic immigrants.

        • kentclizbe says:

          Yes, sir. I understand.

          Most aggressive, conquering cultures have done the same thing, and have throughout human history. Islam is not unique at all.

          Alexander the Great spread his religion and culture throughout his empire. The Romans spread their religion and culture through their empire. The Egyptians did. The Babylonians did. The Sioux did. The Apache did. The French did. The Germans did. The Russians did. The Brits did. The Chinese did. The Aztecs did. The Polynesians did. The Japanese did. We Americans did. The Spanish did. Homo sapiens crushed Neanderthals. Hutus annihilated Tutsis.

          So, what’s new? Every healthy culture believes it is superior to others, and when in contact with others attempts to influence–by force or reason–the other culture. Sometimes it wins, sometimes it loses.

          The situation in the USA is unique almost in history. Our strong and proud national culture, which used to fend off outside pressure by virtue of its superiority, has been destroyed from within. We are living through the collapse of America’s proud rugged individualist culture. This collapse is not occurring because of Muslims. In fact, debased Christianity is more destructive to American culture than anything Islam could possibly do to us. Do you really think that the culture that celebrates twerking, the Jenner thing, hip-hop, Charlie Sheen, and much worse is capable of offering a thinking and spiritual person an alternative? We who know our traditional culture tend to pretend that the current, debased culture is NOT America. But to others, what you see is what you get. Islam did not do this to us–we did it to ourselves, with weapons provided by the Comintern.

          To deal with our collapse, we must look within. Efforts by special interests to distract us from our actual problems just help the host that is eating away at the guts of our culture.

        • David A says:

          Yes, every “group” wants power. However Islam is extreme. Currently there are about 5 million Muslims in the US, vs 35 million Mexicans. Add 30 million Muslims, ad you will be shocked at what happens.

        • kentclizbe says:

          Of course–add 30 million Haitians and see what happens!

          Add 30 million Nigerians and see what happens!

          Add 30 million Salvadorans and see what happens!

          It ain’t never gonna happen–except for the Salvadorans! That’s because our situation is NOT the same as Europe’s. We never colonized Muslim countries (until Afghanistan and Iraq). Our borders are not adjacent to Muslim countries.

          We have terrorist, criminal, illegal alien gangs actively invading our country–every day.

          This Muslim obsession is counter-factual and counter-reality. America is being invaded and our culture destroyed by foreigners bent on seizing control and power. They are not hanging out in mosques. They are at the local carnederia. They are at the 7-11 parking lot waiting for a day laborer job. They are swimminkg the Rio Grande. They are getting a drivers license. They are registering to vote. They are voting. They speak Spanish. They want this country. If we continue to obsess on “Sharia” and “Islam” we will give the Aztlanians this country, without a struggle.

          They are here:

        • David A says:

          Kent, your thinking is way to short term regarding Muslims. I agree that we have an existent and very large serious problem with illegal immigration and increasing non assimilation of people from Mexico. The two issues are orthogonal, so in no way cancel each other.

          The Muslim population in the US is growing extremely fast. The demographics of birthrate, plus immigration plus new recruits, make that number reachable in under two generations. In addition the tens of millions of Muslims in the E.U are a cogent and growing concern for the US. Why? Because of the liberal open borders policy expanding to allow legal immigration from the EU, thus their problem, becomes our problem.

          I also maintain that Islamic ideology is far more violent, cohesive and global in it influence, thus my point that on a numbers to numbers basis, Islamists are far more dangerous, and subject to much greater central control from Islamic centers, who are for the most part operating with global stealth jihad, as outlined in the Holy land Foundation trial documents.

        • rah says:

          None of them from anywhere should be allowed in without documentation and thorough vetting and then only when it is demonstrated that it serves the purposes of the nation as a whole. But I agree with Kent. The Muslims are the more likely to commit mass murder and attempt to strike terror country wide. Eight of them caught trying to cross from Mexico near Larado and five detained in Honduras with fake Syrian passports.

        • David A says:

          Rah, says, “But I agree with Kent. The Muslims are the more likely to commit mass murder and attempt to strike terror country wide”
          Rah, that was my position, not Kents

      • catweazle666 says:

        Everywhere they go, Muslims take blood and death and terror, Google “bloody borders”. By destroying their shrines, raping their women and children and wantonly killing entirely innocent people, they even managed to get the peace-loving Buddhists of Myanmar to take action to eliminate them.

        The barbaric seventh century death cult that is Islam is utterly incompatible with twenty-first socially liberal democratic civilisation, and this matter must be addressed as a matter of urgency if we wish to preserve a millennium of social, scientific and above all humanitarian progress and not sink into another pre-Medieval Dark age.

        It is as simple as that.

  11. alakhtal says:

    I am Amused of your obsession in twisting facts to get attention. I am talking about you Steven Goddard who are hiding beneath real science avatar. remember an oil tycoon goes by the name Ruslan Tsarni who lives in boston. he underwritten kazakhstan hydrocarbons in partnership with haliburton. Ruslan Tsarni is Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev uncle. he used his influence to get both kids into american schools and get ’em us citizenship. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev parents still live in makhachkala in chechnya. they ain’t refugees.

  12. alakhtal says:

    Reblogged this on SUICIDE BOMBERS MAGAZINE and commented:
    I am Amused of your obsession in twisting facts to get attention. I am talking about you Steven Goddard who are hiding beneath real science avatar. remember an oil tycoon goes by the name Ruslan Tsarni who lives in boston. he underwritten kazakhstan hydrocarbons in partnership with haliburton. Ruslan Tsarni is Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev uncle. he used his influence to get both kids into american schools and get ’em us citizenship. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev parents still live in makhachkala in chechnya. they ain’t refugees.

  13. kamas716 says:

    Technically, the Tsaernov’s sought Asylum rather than refugee status. All that really means is they made their request inside the country rather than outside.

  14. Gail Combs says:


    “Fabians” were just German refugees who were carrying out Muenzenberg’s covert influence operation in the academy. Muenzenberg was their contemporary in German socialist circles. They are simply carrying out Muenzenberg’s plans. (As was the other commonly misidentified carrier of PC-Progressive cultural destruction, Gramsci).

    Kent, you have the time line wrong:
    Willie Muenzenberg was born 14 August 1889, and killed sometime in June of 1940. (WIKI)

    The Webbs, George Bernard Shaw, and H.G Wells were the founders of the Fabian society and all English. The Fabian Society was founded in 1884 in London five years before Willie was born.

    I am sure the Germans were happy to join the Fabien Society but it started out English.

    But the start was Karl Marx, expanded and implemented by the Fabian Society (as well as others) Ceicl Rhodes and the Milner Round Tables like the CRF and CED come to mind.

    Rhodes will was executed by Nathan Rothschild and Nathan Rothschild provided funding for the Webbs to start the London School of Economics.

    • kentclizbe says:


      Thanks for putting things in context–I’m quite aware of that context. It appears you’re making the mistake of conflating two parallel actions, and focusing on the overt, while ignoring and discounting the covert. Muenzenberg’s covert actions are what created today’s PC-Progressivism.

      The Fabians were a traditional British political movement. They advocated for, among other things, a muscular British Empire, a capitalist welfare state modeled on Bismarck’s, exploiting trade opportunities secured by war; maintaining the British armed forces in a high state of readiness to defend the Empire; and the creation of a citizen army.

      Their beliefs were just slight modifications of British traditionalism. The Fabians were just a dotty British eccentric political group, relatively benign. Their belief system had NONE of the total hatred of Normal-American culture that is the heart and soul of PC-Progressivism.

      Remember PC-Progressivism is NOT Socialist, nor Marxist. While there are passing similarities, PC-Progs are only focused on destruction of Normal-American culture. Their belief system is straight out of Muenzenberg’s covert payloads, and is ONLY focused on destroying America’s robust individualistic confidence. For examples today, see Missouri, Baltimore, Ferguson, Black Lives Matter, Rolling Stone’s fake “gang rape” story at U. Va., Bruce Jenner, and every other PC-Prog movement. These have NOTHING to do with “Socialism” or “Marxism.”

      Muenzenberg, who began his COVERT influence operations against the US in 1920 (Sacco and Vanzetti was his first “cause”), created massive political front organizations throughout the USA for the sole purpose of denigrating, debilitating and destroying Normal-American culture. While his operations may have paralleled the rise of Socialists/Labor Party in the UK, they were separate.

      Here’s details of who/how/why/where/when Muezenberg’s operations created PC-Progressivism, in a short video:

      • Gail Combs says:

        Kent I will agree that they are two parallel actions. One was promoting takeover by revolution and one was promoting overthrow of the status quo by stealth/gradualism. However there is a lot of cross over and cooperation and I think they both ultimately trace back to the same bunch. That is what I am looking at.

        It is not uncommon to run several parallel experiments in science. It is done in the drug and other industries as a matter of course. I think that is what we are seeing. Soviet Russia was one experiment and socialist EU was the other. The actual goal has always been an obedient, compliant and industrious peasantry that knows its place and does not challenge its betters.

        If the elite/corporate/banking heads were not behind this mess it would never have lasted. He who OWNS the press decides what gets printed and what movies get promoted and what schools get supported. Socialism, communism and Willie’s message would never have gotten off the ground without a lot of help here at home from the elite. Don’t forget US bankers sent ‘he who must not be named’ from New York to Russia to foment revolution and funded that revolution. link That was back in 1916-7

        Münzenberg was a founding member of the KPD. The KPD was committed to a violent revolution in Germany, and during 1919 and 1920 attempts to seize control of the government continued. Münzenberg was also the head of the Young Communist International and was the delegate of the YCI to the 2nd World Congress of the Communist International in 1920. [WIKI]

        So it was not like the bankers in the USA were ignorant of Communism when they sent T … sky after Russia.

        E. M. Smith has a very good take on the economic end of things and why corporations are very much pro-socialism. LINK

        Do not forget that the London School of Economics trains many of the world leaders in politics, banking and industry and has for the last hundred years.

        Here is the 1911 cartoon by Communist Robert Minor
        It depicts Wall Street’s happily greeting of Karl Marx.

        A political cartoon drawn by cartoonist Robert Minor for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 1911 made an unusual statement. Minor’s cartoon portrays a bearded, beaming Karl Marx standing in Wall Street with Socialism tucked under his arm and accepting the congratulations of financial luminaries J.P. Morgan, Morgan partner George W. Perkins, a smug John D. Rockefeller, John D. Ryan of National City Bank, and Teddy Roosevelt – prominently identified by his famous teeth – in the background. Wall Street is decorated by Red flags. The cheering crowd and the airborne hats suggest that Karl Marx must have been a fairly popular sort of fellow in the New York financial district.

        So the rot had set in well before the soviets were sending over agents to the USA. That is why I turn my eyes towards the Fabian Society. Don’t forget JP Morgan and friends have been in control of the US MSM since 1915. evidence So their cooperation was needed.

    • kentclizbe says:

      An analogy:

      Carbonated sweet drinks with caffeine were served in drug stores throughout the US for decades before 1900. Many times, these drinks were touted as “health restoration tonics.”

      Only when Coca Cola began a massive influence campaign (also known as “advertising”) did Coke obsession sweep the nation.

      The “health restoration tonic” movement did NOT create Coke. Coke built upon the existing interest, made use of a powerful influence tool, inserted its own messages into the culture. The geniuses of Coke advertising invented, inserted, and nurtured the “Coke culture.”

      You can go back and find in history the pharmacists who made fizzy drinks before Coke. But they were not the creators of the Coke culture.

  15. Gail Combs says:

    You also need to look at my comment on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement and immigration as well as CAGW.

    No wonder it was negotiated in secret and Congress was only allowed an up down vote with no amendments.

  16. forks make us fat says:

    I believe that Islamists, most if not all, live in societies were there is no separation of church and (S)tate. Therefore upon arrival in the US they are not able to assimiliate, and revert back to the Islamic model, my / our way or the highway. Eventually radicalizing and becoming terrorists.

  17. Gail Combs says:


    You say: “The Fabians were a traditional British political movement…..
    Their beliefs were just slight modifications of British traditionalism. “

    That is not true Fabian thought. This is straight from George Bernard Shaw a co-founder.

    “The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”

    Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable and Co., 1934), p. 296.

    “Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”

    George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470)

    This is him talking:

    • kentclizbe says:


      Yes, they are/were overt babblers! They talk, gab, blab, write, discuss, talk some more.

      It is essential to understand the difference between the overt babblers, and the covert action professionals.

      I know you’ve read Willing Accomplices, but you may want to re-read it. That is the essential message. It is very easy to forget–because the overt babblers are out in the open babblng non-stop. And they are nearly totally ineffective.

      Babbling about the healthiness of soda water in academic meeting is totally ineffective (overt influence). Running advertising campaigns depicting Santa Claus drinking a Coke (covert influence) resulted in millions upon billions of people becoming Coke drinkers.

      The Fabians, the Communist Party of the USA, the Socialist Party of the USA, all are overt, ineffective babblers.

      Muenzenberg’s covert influence operations–in effect, massive advertising campaigns, using the “social media” of the day–were quiet, cloaked and utterly subversive.

      Here’s a great overview, from a California State Legislature committee report from the 1950s. They understood the threat very well. And the threat was NOT “Fabians” or Gramsci, or the CPUSA. They did not dream of the massive success that Muenzenberg’s operations would enjoy–with the benefit of 30 more years of fermentation.

      “History of the Communist Front

      “The front tactic was conceived by Lenin and implemented by Willi Muenzenberg. In 1902 Lenin advocated the use of this device, calling the non-Communist groups “transmission belts” through which the Party will was adroitly imposed upon the masses without their knowledge. Stalin carried on the idea, and in 1926 the Executive Committee of the Comintern encouraged the establishment of fronts throughout the world.

      “During the late thirties and early forties in this country the crop of fronts began to grow with great rapidity. Especially during the period of World War II, there were practically no groups with an avowed anti-Fascist purpose that escaped becoming in some manner the unwitting tools of Communist propaganda. Not all of them were necessarily under the direct control of the Communist Party, but we know of none that were immune to infiltration and we know of none whose activities were not controlled to some degree by the unknown Communist fractions functioning covertly in their midst.

      “Examples of international organizations that started as non-political and which were eventually brought under the Communist domination, were: the International Union of Students; the World Federation of Democratic Youth; the International Organization of Journalists and the International Radio and Television Organization, each subject to infiltration by determined Communists who swiftly gained control of the key positions, perpetuated themselves and their comrades in power, and manipulated these movements into place as international Communist fronts. The same thing was true of the International Association of Democratic Lawyers.”;NAAN=13030&doc.view=frames&

  18. Gail Combs says:

    Kent you say “Remember PC-Progressivism is NOT Socialist, nor Marxist. While there are passing similarities, PC-Progs are only focused on destruction of Normal-American culture. Their belief system is straight out of Muenzenberg’s covert payloads, and is ONLY focused on destroying America’s robust individualistic confidence.”

    And that goes directly back to what I was saying about what was behind Karl Marx in the first place. The whole goal was the destruction of the upstart middle class. Karl Marx like Muenzenberg was a TOOL and nothing more.

    The whole darn thing is ASTROTURF from Marx to Muenzenberg and the goal is and always has been the destruction of the middle class and the return to serfdom for the masses. The method can vary since only the goal matters.

    The problem for the aristocracy/elite is the masses want to be middle class. They want freedom and access to a decent life so everything had to be done by stealth.

    The start was the American Revolution and it was followed by other upheavals in Europe and other colonies. This scared the pants of the ruling order. So enter one Karl Marx.

    The mentor and role model of Karl Marx was Ludwig von Westphalen. Ludwig, was the youngest son of Baron Christian Philip Heinrich von Westphalen the de facto “chief of staff” to Duke Ferdinand during the Seven Years’ War. His mother was the descendant of many Scottish and European noble families. So Ludwig (later Baron) was well connected to the European aristocracy.

    The French Revolution lasted from 1789 until 1799. The Holy Roman Empire, after existing for a thousand years, was dissolved on 6 August 1806, after its defeat by Napoleon at the Battle of Austerlitz. The Napoleonic Wars involving most of Europe was from 1803 to 1815. Defeating Napoleon, the European aristocracy managed to hold onto their way of life by the skin of their teeth.

    A year later in 1816 Ludwig von Westphalen was transferred to Trier where he met and befriended Heinrich Marx, the father of Karl Marx.

    Now why would a well connected nobleman befriend a Jewish businessman/lawyer?

    Perhaps because Heinrich Marx, wife’s first cousin married Nathan Rothschild, founder of the British branch of the Rothschild banking dynasty?

    It was Ludwig who first introduced Marx to socialist teachings.. Marx’s dissertation was dedicated to Ludwig. Remember Ludwig would have been familiar with the Classics and Plutarch’s account of Ancient Spartan Communism.

    I see nothing that makes me think that Marx actually cared for the ‘Masses’ instead I see a giant scam to destroy the middle class and bring the masses back under the control of the elite.

    Marx and Engel saw the masses as scum.

    Marx and Engels, 14. August 1879

    “Als wir heut morgen im Hôtel de l’Europe anfrugen, traf es sich glücklich so, daß grade 60 Franzosen sich auf die Abreise vorbereiteten, während andrerseits die mit frischem Menschenkehricht belasteten steamers noch nicht eingetroffen.”

    “When this morning we inquired at the Hotel de l’Europe, fortunately it so happened that 60 Frenchmen were preparing to leave, while on the other hand the steam ships loaded with fresh human waste** had not arrived yet.”

    ** waste is From Google translate

  19. Gail Combs says:

    where I have the info on Karl Marx.)

    Kent, your work is very important but it does not stand alone. I am trying to put it in context. The Fabians are anything but toothless blabbermouths. They are incidious worms. Their mode is gradual transformation. They are also very willing to work with the Communists and other groups.


    John Dewey was a founding member of the American Fabian Society (that gets scrubbed off the internet) He was also the “Father of Modern American Education” So it was he who paved the way so George Count would be taken seriously. Count’s New Russia’s Primer: The Story of the Five-Year Plan was published in 1931. Dewey was actively reshaping US education twenty years before that so George Count’s work would be accepted by the generation who was reared on Dewey’s transformed education system.

    I [Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld] am often asked to name those educators responsible for the change in primary reading instruction which has led to the decline of literacy in America…. After twenty-five years of research, I can state with complete confidence that the prime mover in all of this was none other than John Dewey who is usually characterized as the father of progressive education. Yet the change of the teaching of reading is probably Dewey’s greatest contribution to the tranformation of American education from an academically oriented process to a social one.

    Dewey’s Key Essay

    In May 1898, Dewey published his seminal essay, “The Primary-Education Fetich,” which was to guide the progressives in their long-range crusade to remake American education as an instrument to bring about socialism….
    And so, the plan for educational reform was quite clear:….

    Huey’s book, The Psychology and Pedagogy of Reading, published in 1908, became the bible of look-say instructors….

    Lenin even tried out Dewey’s methods ten years BEFORE that book by Count was printed.

    John Dewey & Soviet Progressives
    It turns out that progressive educator John Dewey’s books were not only influential in the United States. “Dewey’s first six books were rapidly translated into Russian,” historian Paul Kengor said in a conference sponsored by the group America’s Survival. “They told John Dewey his books were perfect for what they were trying to do in the USSR.”

    Kengor spoke at the America’s Survival conference at the National Press Club on October 21, 2010. “The Bolsheviks wasted no time getting John Dewey’s works into Russian,” Kengor writes in his book Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century. “In 1918, only three years after it was published in the United States, Dewey’s Schools of Tomorrow was published in Moscow.”

    “Given what was happening in Russia at the time, this is staggering.” To wit: the Soviets, broke, were fighting a bloody civil war.

    “Only a year after Schools of Tomorrow was published came a Russian translation of Dewey’s How We Think (1919) and then, in 1920, The School and Society,” Kengor relates. “These, too, came during the misery of the Russian Civil War (1918-21), which, according to historian W. Bruce Lincoln, snuffed out the lives of seven million men, women and children.” [Italics in original]

    “Dewey’s ideas were apparently judged as crucial to the revolution as any weapon in the arsenal of the Red Army.” Kengor did much of his research in the archives of the Communist International, about as primary a source as you can get….

    (More Later I am headed to work)

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