Trusting Obamas And Clintons For National Security

2015-12-10-07-01-45

North Korea has a thermonuclear weapon. Twenty years ago, Bill Clinton announced the same deal with North Korea that Barack Obama just made with Iran.

Published: October 22, 1994

Oct. 21 — After almost four months of difficult negotiations, the United States and North Korea signed an agreement today to end their dispute over North Korea’s nuclear program

After the signing today, North Korea’s chief negotiator, Kang Sok Ju, described it as “a very important milestone document of historic significance” that would resolve his country’s nuclear dispute with the United States “once and for all.”

He said the agreement, once put into effect, would resolve “all questions of the so-called nuclear weapons development by North Korea” that have raised “such unfounded concerns and suspicions.”

We have neither the intention nor the plan to develop nuclear weapons,” Mr. Kang said.

At a news conference in Washington, President Clinton said the treaty was “a good deal for the United States.”

“The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments,” he said. “Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations.”

U.S. and North Korea Sign Pact to End Nuclear Dispute – NYTimes.com

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29 Responses to Trusting Obamas And Clintons For National Security

  1. saveenergy says:

    Kim Jong Un is probably more trust worthy than obummer

    • snedly arkus says:

      Now for the rest of the story. When Bush entered office he threw out the food for nukes program Clinton negotiated. Around this time the Iranians were in talks they initiated to help the US in it’s fight against the Taliban and other far out groups in the ME. Bush made his famous Axis of Evil speech and the Iranians left and never came back. It was about this time the North Koreans restarted their nuke program. As more secrets come to light it’s beginning to look like W is rapidly catching Obama for the title of worst US president ever.

      • gator69 says:

        Yes, it’s all Bush’s fault.

        Another step forward in early 2012, when North Korea suddenly announced it would suspend nuclear activities and place a moratorium on missile tests in exchange for US food aid, came to nothing when Pyongyang tried to launch a rocket in April that year.

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11813699

        I mean, why would you ever blame the bad guys?

        • rah says:

          To some folks anyone that isn’t a Democrat IS the bad guy! They will believe any pap their fed from their “trusted” sources and revise history regardless of facts. I was once told the US went to Lebanon to cover or Israel. They were even telling me details about how it was done. Shocked them when I told the that I was there for four months of period they were talking about and started tearing their little fable apart. Even pulled out my old maps and gave them 8 digit grid coordinates and plenty of other details of what we and certain other forces did and where. It was no use. There was no changing their minds.

  2. Marsh says:

    Some words shouldn’t follow one another ; “Trusting” & “Obama” ; one is an oxymoron…

    • Jason Calley says:

      And the other is just a moron….

      Seriously, for the last several decades (at least) the US has been in the business of creating enemies that we can then make war against. The military-industrial complex (more properly named the military-industrial-governmental industry) is the biggest business in the world. Without a steady stream of enemies there are a lot of very wealthy and powerful people who would cease to be wealthy and powerful. Does anyone reading this have any doubts that the US is funding and supplying ISIS with one hand while pretending to fight them with the other hand?

      The saddest part is that every year we lose good men and women, and have many more horribly injured — almost always so some guy who is already a millionaire can make even more money.

      • Adam Gallon says:

        “Does anyone reading this have any doubts that the US is funding and supplying ISIS with one hand while pretending to fight them with the other hand”

        Me.
        Saudi Arabia’s child, not the CIA’s, USA’s, Mossad’s or any other funding source suggested by the same nut-jobs who reckon the Moon landings were faked & that 9/11 was an inside job.

        North Korea with a working & deliverable thermonuclear weapon? No chance.

        • Ted says:

          Obama’s explicitly stated policy until last year was to fund the “moderate” rebels who were fighting against Assad. Isis is one of the groups fighting Assad, and openly allied with those rebels Obama was proud to have funded. Do you really think it’s insane to suspect that some of those rebels might be be more loyal to their Muslim brothers than to the American government?

          And North Korea is known to have nuclear weapons. They detonated one about 10 years ago. Going from basic nuclear to thermonuclear is a comparatively tiny jump. If you’re at all familiar with the Soviet designs, acquiring the deuterium is plainly the hardest part. (the American design is more complex, but still far less so than the initial nuclear trigger) And while time consuming, producing deuterium is a straight forward process to anyone with a functioning nuclear reactor. North Korea has the raw materials. The engineering is both disturbingly simple, and available through google. I’m as shocked by this claim as I was by the sun rising this morning. Both were utterly inevitable.

    • gator69 says:

      Here’s a belly lauigh…

      President Barack Obama on Wednesday delivered a moving speech at the U.S. Capitol during an event to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the 13th Amendment and the abolishment of slavery.

      http://newsone.com/3289723/the-scars-of-our-nations-original-sin-obama-13th-amendment/

      • Jason Calley says:

        The government(s) seizes approximately the same percentage of my wages that slave-masters seized from their slaves.

        Besides, the 13th Amendment did not end slavery; it nationalized it. Slavery is still legal as long as it is approved by the Judicial Branch.

        • Ted says:

          I’ve been asking people for about 25 years how today’s economic system is better for the common man than was feudalism. I’ve yet to hear a convincing response.

          Under feudalism, the lord typically took 25-33% of each family’s production. (as opposed to The Lord, who only asks for 10%) For that tax payment, a family received a home, a plot of land to farm, roads, and protection from invasion. A typical American today pays roughly 50% to the government, after all taxes are added up. From what’s left, we need to provide our own home, and our own means of production.

          A serf or a modern American plainly has more freedom than a slave. But yes, the percentage of individual production being confiscated is in the same general range. Also, while I see slavery as an abomination, and I’m not trying to defend it in any way, I also think the physical brutality we now associate with slavery is a severe exaggeration. Slaves were expensive, and a healthy one was far more profitable than an unhealthy one. Most people with horses don’t randomly beat or starve them. Most people with cars don’t go out of their way to crash them. Rah doesn’t kick his truck, and I’ve never hit my milling machine with a crowbar. Even if it was only for economic concerns, I suspect that slaves were better cared for than poor freemen were then, or are today.

        • Jason Calley says:

          Hey Ted, interesting points you make. Yes, slavery comes in all different flavors, some more brutal (MUCH more brutal) than others. Spending vast amounts of borrowed money that future generations are legally bound to pay is (in my opinion) nothing but slavery. Just like national governments today vary in their nature, so was there variations in the brutality of slave masters during the times of chattel slavery. I would rather live in the US or Switzerland than in Zimbabwe or North Korea. If I were a chattel slave, I would rather have a kind master than a cruel master. Of course if I had a choice I would prefer NO master and liberty.

          During the Great Depression of the 30s one of the government arts projects was the creation of a book, “Bullwhip Days” http://www.amazon.com/Bullwhip-Days-Slaves-Remember-History/dp/0802138683/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449838137&sr=8-1&keywords=bullwhip+days that compiled oral reports by some of the last surviving American slaves. It is a disturbing read. For me, the shocker was not the stories where former slaves recounted beatings and abuse. The shocker was that about half the stories were variations of “when I die and go to heaven the first thing I want to do is go and find my old master so I can shake his hand and tell him how much I have missed him.” Judging from the stories, there were kind masters and cruel masters. Note that I do not say “good masters and bad masters”; all masters are bad — but some are cruel as well.

          If anyone thinks that some people do not wish for slavery, I would say look at how many people vote election after election hoping to get a kind master, a bountiful master, a wise master, who will feed them and tell them what to do. Ye Gads! I do not understand the mind of domesticated people!

      • Robertv says:

        All forms of direct taxes tell you you are a slave.

        • David A says:

          I do not agree. “Government s a necessary evil” Choose your government, or it will choose you.

        • Jason Calley says:

          Through most of the history of the US, the federal government did not have a direct tax on individuals. Now, not only do they tax an individual’s income, they claim that NOT doing something is a form of income.

    • saveenergy says:

      @ Ted
      “and I’ve never hit my milling machine with a crowbar.”
      I should hope not !!!
      the crowbar should only be used for hitting the cherrying head,
      Milling machines need a massive mallet.
      If your lathe is being stroppy, creep up behind it when it isn’t looking & give it good a beating with a lump hammer, that will teach it.
      Cover them at night so they cant talk to each other & plot against you.
      Must go, nurse is here with my meds.

      • Ted says:

        Finally… Someone who understands the finer points of metal working.

        • Marsh says:

          Ted : Maybe, or twisted off center,,, from too much differential indexing…

        • saveenergy says:

          Marsh, my that was a cutting remark !!
          maybe I’m a little eccentric, but Ted broached the subject & wood you believe it, that gave me the brass neck to iron out the problem. I’m getting bored now so will shape up & part-off.

  3. Old Goat says:

    Y’know, Kim, I think that maybe now is the time to actually use your new toy, now that the earth is screwed, anyway. I have a number of suggestions as to where you might choose to play with it…

    • Jason Calley says:

      So many choices…
      😦

    • rah says:

      This is of course assuming that Lil Kim the ill one is telling the truth. Big difference in the level of precision required and so I have my doubts that the DANKS (Dumb Ass North Koreans) as many Americans that served their came to call them, have actually produced a workable thermonuclear device. In fact it would pretty much take a test to assuage my skepticism of this claim.

      North Korea is like a little child. When enough time goes by without getting some attention they will throw some kind of tantrum to get some and I’m thinking this is just another example of that behavior.

  4. Latitude says:

    ..and here is the offical government position….right out of the horse’s mouth

    Dec. 9, 2015 address to Paris COP-21 conference. Kerry

    … The fact is that even if every American citizen biked to work, carpooled to school, used only solar panels to power their homes, if we each planted a dozen trees, if we somehow eliminated all of our domestic greenhouse gas emissions, guess what – that still wouldn’t be enough to offset the carbon pollution coming from the rest of the world.

    If all the industrial nations went down to zero emissions –- remember what I just said, all the industrial emissions went down to zero emissions -– it wouldn’t be enough, not when more than 65% of the world’s carbon pollution comes from the developing world.

  5. gator69 says:

    Trusting the religion of peace…

    A British Muslim covert, who held a “trust hug” sign outside of the United Kingdom’s Parliament building last week, is now facing charges for threatening to bomb the house of a Parliament member.

    Craig Wallace, also known as Muhammad Mujahid Islam, carried his sign last week during protests of the Parliament’s vote to authorize airstrikes in Syria.

  6. Dave G says:

    This prompted my first ever and only letter to the editor of my local newspaper soon after i joined the Navy. Knew it would be a disaster.

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