Christmas Eve 1955 Was Much Warmer

2015-12-23-21-08-15

Drudge is touting the “record heat” forecast for Christmas Eve, even though most of the country will be below normal temperature.  The best Drudge could come up with was 86 degrees at Orlando.

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Christmas Eve 1955 was much warmer. Three fourths of the country was over 60 degrees, and Ashland Kansas,  Geary Oklahoma and Encinal Texas were all over 90 degrees. Fort Lauderdale was 85 degrees. All of the stations below were over 60 degrees on Christmas Eve, 1955.

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Last winter, the East Coast had record cold. That was ignored because it was “less than 1% of the Earth.”  But this week, the Eastern US defines the global climate.

In Irving Berlin’s 1954 musical “White Christmas” – the story line was 70 degrees in Vermont on Christmas eve and no snow. That was why they were “Dreaming of a White Christmas”

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327 Responses to Christmas Eve 1955 Was Much Warmer

  1. Steve Case says:

    Thanks Tony, too bad your excellent job of putting the proper perspective this issue will not be similarly covered in our wonderful “Main Stream” media.

    • Gail Combs says:

      A Blast From the Past!

      Andy DC dug up this 1993 NCDC document, which showed that US winter temperatures had remained essentially constant from 1896 to 1993.

      Since 1993, US winter temperatures have plummeted

      But that would never do, so NOAA got rid of the cooling via adjustments.

      But it is a lot tougher to make snow disappear (Just ask Buffalo NY or Boston MA)

      That is all ignored by the Alarmists.

      ………
      (Steven’s graphs from other posts)

      • Andy DC says:

        They also cannot make ice on the Great Lakes disappear, as they froze to a record extent during the last two winters. Or make ice and snow disappear from the Potomac River, which was frozen over in March for the first time in recorded history. All during the warmest years EVER!

        • Gail Combs says:

          But they sure as heck can prevent any or all info of a possible cooling climate from appearing in the news.

          That is why I like Ice Age Now as an ‘other side of the story’ site for the local news stories we never ever see in the likes of Huff & Puff or NYT.

          This from last winter is a classic example:
          December 6, 2014Heavy snowfall continues in Japan “20,000 homes without electricity. Tokushima Prefecture [Japan]…. on the southwestern island of Shikoku, 120 vehicles were trapped by heavy snowfall for 18 km (10.8 miles), RIA Novosti reports. The snow is 30 cm (12 inches) deep.

          Tokushima (lat. 34.0° N) altitude of 26 feet, is mild and semi-tropical sort of like South Carolina (lat. 34.0° N) but not as hot. Japan was in really bad shape last winter with snow storm after snow storm. In that storm at least 8 people confirmed dead, buildings and roofs collapsing.

          The previous winter, a record breaking snowstorm in mid February (2014) passed through Tokyo. Hundreds of people have to be evacuated from their homes, roofs collapsed, hundreds were injured, with at least 13 dead. Another storm hitting at the end of February causing damage or destruction of 14,099 vinyl greenhouses costs totaling more than ¥50 billion in Tokyo and four other prefectures.

          Moscow reports that first week of December snowstorm (2014) So what does Huffington Post report?

          Two days after the storm a search returns this puff piece: Scarecrows Outnumber People In This Dying Townhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/japan-vanishing-villages_n_6287770.html‎

          WTF!??!

          A major snowstorm in the equivalent of South Carolina, buildings collapsing, thousands without power, 120 vehicles trapped and at least 8 people confirmed dead and ALL the Huff & Puff can find to report on is scarecrows???

        • donn juan says:

          I don’t get it – all the data presented on this website supports the climate change narrative, but it appears to be site for deniers. What gives?

        • Twilight Zone music ….

        • Andy DC says:

          The May 2013 snowstorm in Arkansas also deserves mentioning. Going back to the 1820’s, it had never snowed in Arkansas, not even a flurry, during the month of May. The May 2013 snowstorm was widespread and produced up to 5″ in places.

        • Gail Combs says:

          donn juan says “I don’t get it – all the data presented on this website supports the climate change narrative, but it appears to be site for deniers. What gives?”

          >>>>>>>>>
          CO2 is not the only thing that causes ‘Climate Change’ Actually it is a minor bit player, if that.
          Many of us have training in science including geology so we know the climate ALWAYS changes. Not only than since the Earth is at 1/2 precession, the earth is at the point where glacial inception can occur. Glacial inception at the end of the last interglacial was a ‘madhouse’ as the climate flipped between the greenhouse and the icehouse.

          “The lesson from the last interglacial “greenhouse” in the Bahamas is that the closing of that interval brought sea-level changes that were rapid and extreme. This has prompted the remark that between the greenhouse and the icehouse lies a climatic “madhouse”! —- Neumann, A. C., and Hearty, P. J.
          Rapid sea-level changes at the close of the last interglacial (substage 5e) recorded in Bahamian island geology. Geology 24, 775–778.

          And the changes can be fast.

          The onset of the LEAP occurred within less than two decades, demonstrating the existence of a sharp threshold, which must be near 416 Wm2, which is the 65oN July insolation for 118 kyr BP (ref. 9). Sirocko and Seelos, 2005,

          You can look at the calculations from NOAA (Berger) for jun @ 60◦ N
          http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/orbital_variations/berger_insolation/insol91.jun

          Low point of the last ice age – around 463 Wm−2
          NOW (modern Warm Period) — 476Wm-2 (13 Wm-2 higher than low point)
          Holocene peak insolation — 522.5 Wm-2 (46.5 Wm-2 higher than present)

          When can glacial inception occur?
          A fall 2012 paper “Can we predict the duration of an interglacial?” says…

          …although it has been unclear whether the subdued current summer insolation minimum (479 W m−2 ), the lowest of the last 800 kyr, would be sufficient to lead to glaciation (e.g. Crucifix, 2011). Comparison with MIS 19c, a close astronomical analogue characterized by an equally weak summer insolation minimum (474 W m−2 ) and a smaller overall decrease from maximum summer solstice insolation values, suggests that glacial inception is possible despite the subdued insolation forcing, if CO2 concentrations were 240 ± 5 ppmv (Tzedakis et al., 2012). …..
          (wwwDOT)clim-past.net/8/1473/2012/cp-8-1473-2012.pdf

          This paper, also gives the 21 June solar insolation @ 65◦ N (Not 60◦ N) for termination of several interglacials. Current Solar insolation = 479 W m−2

          MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m−2,
          MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m−2,
          MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m−2,
          MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m−2,
          MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m−2

          Now go back and look at the ‘polar vortex’ and compared to last winter.

          or the jet stream now

          A ‘cold/cooling jet stream is meridional (loopy) like we have now instead of zonal (straight) like we had a decade ago. A loopy jet means more erratic weather and it means warm tropical air is sucked north where it clashes with polar air sucked south and you get major storms that dump lots of snow like the 6 to 7 feet in one storm that we saw last winter. Add cool summers and you get glaciation.

          NOAA refers to Hollan 2000 and Berger 2002 to say there will be no return of Glaciation. Hollan 2000 is a Pop. Article and Berger 2002 refers to Berger and Loutre. Both are based on MODELS. NOAA uses NONE of the more recent research that refute these papers.

          What does rigorous science say?
          Any hope that the Holocene would go long was shot down by Lisiecki and Raymo in 2005 in their rebuttal of the Loutre and Berger, paper of 2003. Lisiecki and Raymo in a landmark paper took an exhaustive look at 57 globally distributed deep Ocean Drilling Project seabed cores.
          A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records

          Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial [e.g., Loutre and Berger, 2003; EPICA community members, 2004] because both occur during times of low eccentricity. The LR04 age model establishes that MIS 11 spans two precession cycles, with #18O values below 3.6h for 20 kyr, from 398{418 ka. In comparison, stages 9 and 5 remained below 3.6h for 13 and 12 kyr, respectively, and the Holocene interglacial has lasted 11 kyr so far. In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398{418 ka as from 250{650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be arti cially stretched. However, the June 21 insolation minimum at 65N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a double precession-cycle” interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human in influence.

          Since then no one in Quaternary Science has rebutted Lisiecki and Raymo. Not a fact to give one warm fussy feelings. Their research says no warming for ‘another 65 thousand years’ and a good possibility of a return to the Ice Box ‘without human influence’

      • Eric Liscom says:

        In the comments on that moron Bette Midler’ s Twitter ing about “deniers”….one commenter put up a weather report, from January 1790 in Philadelphia….median temp was 44, with it frequently rising to the 70’s on sunny days…
        So, the alarmists have discounted or completely ignored common weather records going back at least 225 years…
        The lefty Socialists are using their lies, altered data, etc. to further their agenda, to gain control and absolute power…
        If stuff like this doesn’t get thru to people that they are being lied to, I don’t know what will…short of major political change, perhaps even violence, to remove these corrupted criminal politicians and their cronies…

        • ed paul says:

          We should hope people pay attention, do their civic duty and vote for candidates that will return this country to it’s founding principles.

      • Iben_Hadd says:

        Ft. Eustis Va. 1955 temp 75o just 100 miles so. of DC where it was 74o. 3″ of snow on ground left from earlier in week. 5 Hawaiians in my Army air transport class out barefooted in their first snow.

      • Jim Spriggs says:

        Since 20,000 years ago, humans weren’t pumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere, I’m not sure what relevance the top comparison image has in any of this.

        Remember, it’s called global warming for a reason. It’s not eastern U.S. warming, or even United States warming.

        Since climatology has long shown that the warmer the atmosphere, the more moisture it can hold, it comes as no surprise that rain and snow would be increasing in areas where precipitation and snow already occur.

    • 4grands says:

      Yes, I remember 1955 Christmas in Fl. It was so beautiful that Christmas, and having only moved to Fl in 1950, we thought we had died and gone to heaven. After 1955 Christmas, my dad had a pool put in the back yard…..what a life. Yes, life was simple back then.

    • Marie says:

      Thanks for this article. We’ve been bummed about the warm springlike weather here in Ohio, but it’s nice to know that we’re having a ‘1955 Christmas’ this year — it goes well with our aluminum tree!

    • It doesn’t need to, I followed the link here from Drudge Report, 23+ million page visits in the last 24 hours.

    • Murphy was Right says:

      Why does the fact that the Earth’s Surface, which has been paved and concreted over quite a bit in the last 80 years, not see MORE of a historical increase in heat? The concern should be why isn’t it hotter on average than? Absent that, I think the global coolers of the ’70s may have been right.

  2. AndyG55 says:

    If the forecast is correct, down here in Newcastle, Australia, temperatures for December will be very close to the long term average… and that average is based on 1957-2014 !

    Does the term “normal” apply?

  3. gator69 says:

    #White Christmases Matter.

  4. omanuel says:

    Our country is ruled by an international cloud of government deception that has hidden reality from the public for the past seventy years (1945-2015) – after nations were united on 24 OCT 1945:

    Any scientist that has managed to stay in contact with reality has an obligation this holiday season to be like the bird Tagore described as feeling the warmth and starting to sing before the darkness gives way to dawn!”

  5. ren says:

    Low temperatures at the North Pole.

    The polar vortex height of about 27 km.
    http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/10hPa/orthographic=-65.56,87.76,300

  6. PatriotGalNC says:

    Jus’ sayin’: The Movie Musical, “White Christmas” was not set it New Hampshire. It was set in Vermont. –Just being a bit nit-picky this morning… It is 76 degrees in Raleigh, NC. –Not exactly Christmas weather for us : (

    • Gail Combs says:

      We are a bit south of Raleigh, NC. with 75F (rural temp station) It is really nice to day and great NOT to have it raining. (Rain starts again tomorrow. Sighhhhh)

    • dghattierdc says:

      Not only that but the clip in question from Der Bingle was set in Europe Christmas of 44. And it was colder than a well diggers rear then. Think Bastogne. This global warming stuff is crap. Climate change always has happened and always will happen. Merry Christmas all.

  7. Jon says:

    Last year WAS more unusual
    The whole planet was in record breaking heat while the East Coast was quite cold
    Of course the climate Rutgers failed to note that even last year was overall the 7th warmest winter in the USA

    • Gail Combs says:

      WHAT BULL!!!

      The cold events were NOT REPORTED in the MSMS and that is all.

      I just mentioned Japan getting plastered last winter and the winter before in my comment above yet not a peep from the US news agencies.

      Italy captured the world’s one day snow fall record twice this last winter in March TWICE.
      240cm (7.84 ft) in Pescocostanzo
      256cm (8.34 ft) of snow Capracotta

      10 feet (3 meters) of snow fell on Passolanciano, Majella burying the chairlifts (6 Mar 2015 ) and Record snow fell in Abruzzo, Italy, 5 & 6 Mar 2015

      Not far away, the Greek islands in the Mediterranean were buried under 6½ ft (2 m) of snow in January.

      During Ice age glaciation glaciers form in two main areas, the eastern half of the USA and the western half of Eurasia. (Scotland and Scandinavia) So what happened there?

      In Norway they were forced to remove excessive snow from ski slopes – “During the last two days we’ve got more snow than we had in the last two years together,” says Vegar Sårheim. “I had never believed we would experience this.”

      Almost 300 “snow patches” remained in the Highland mountains in 2014
      (wwwDOT)bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-33581400

      Glacier-like hazards found on Ben Nevis in 2014
      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-28885119

      August 27, 2015 — Massive Increase in Scottish Snow Patches

    • Gail Combs says:

      For the last three winters:
      2013
      Record cold in Cape Town, South Africa
      Rare snow in Atacama desert
      Brazil – Snow in over 80 cities – Roads and schools closed
      Worst cold spell in 80 years hammers Chile fruit crops
      More than 25 000 animals killed in southern Peru
      “Extraordinary” cold and large snowfall for southern Brazil
      Lao Cai Province [Viet Nam] alone, an unusual snowfall early this week caused an estimated loss of around VND10 billion
      Jerusalem hit by worst snowstorm for TWENTY YEARS as eight inches fall across Holy City
      Wintry blast to hit New Zealand
      July frosts reduce Brazil wheat, coffee
      Tibetan nomads in Ladakh call out for help, Thousands of livestock perish
      first time snow has fallen in the state of Arkansas during the month of May
      Single-day record May snowfalls have likely fallen in Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.
      Blizzard Of 2013 Reaches Top 5 Snowstorms In New England History
      Snow in Malta 2013 -. Malta has experienced just four snowfalls since 1895.
      Rare June snow blankets northwest China.

      2014
      Record snowfall (almost 7 ft) in northern Iran
      Temperatures up to 40 degrees below normal in the [US] High Plains
      Slovenia paralyzed by snow and ice
      Southern Austria on highest avalanche alert after heavy snow – A meter of snow in two days – Valleys and roads cut off
      Serbia – 1,000 evacuated from cars, buses and trains – Snow drifts 3.5 meters high
      Poland – Heavy snowfall and blizzards
      Heavy snowfalls and blizzard hammer southern Romania
      Tibetan nomads in Ladakh call out for help, Thousands of livestock perish
      Brisbane – Vegetable prices expected to soar due to cold snap
      Green Bay made it 49 days with subzero temperatures, the most in a winter. The previous record, 48 days, was set in 1976-77. Just before 4 a.m., the temperature was minus 18, breaking the previous record of minus 17 set in 1962. The mercury continued to fall to minus 21 just before 5 a.m., according to the National Weather Service office in Ashwaubenon.
      Aemi tropical Tokushima, Japan (34.0° N same as South Carolina) has been hit with major snow storms roofs collapsed, at least 8 dead.

      NOVEMBER 2014
      Iran – Snow and blizzards began in early November and still continue
      Turkey – Heavy snowfall knocks out power for 4 days – and still counting
      Russia – Minus 32 degrees and Heavy Snow in Tomsk
      One meter of snow in eastern Turkey
      Buffalo – 30 major roof collapses, 100 minor collapses (SEVEN FEET of snow in one storm)
      Ice on the Mississippi River in Iowa (Nov 20
      DECEMBER 2014
      Heavy snowfall shuts down six highways in China
      Early Winter Storm Hammers Vermont – Power Outages “Unprecedented”
      Heavy snow shuts down Trans Canada Highway east of Quebec City
      Algeria – Heavy snowfall brings complete paralysis of most educational institutions
      Japan – Heavy snowfall kills eight
      Kazakhstan – 530 people rescued from snowdrifts since the beginning of winter
      Heavy snow knocks out power to 10 municipalities in Bulgaria
      Heavy snowfall traps people on the road in Mersin, Turkey
      Austria ice storm – So bad that authorities use tanks to move supplies
      Heavy snowfall continues in Japan
      Six greenhouses collapse under heavy snow in NE China
      Waist-deep snow in China – Most severe snowstorm in years
      Record snowfall in Juneau, Alaska
      Serbia – Ice storm and deep snow – People experiencing mental breakdown after 48 hours without electricity, water and heating
      Austria – Rare ice storm hits Waldviertel
      100,000 Czech travelers stranded due to freezing arctic weather
      Eastern Turkey – Heavy snowfall reduces visibility to 16 feet (5 m)

      All these snow events resulted in Northern Hemisphere snow cover last fall highest ever on record.

      2015
      Canberra’s coldest winter in 15 years
      Bogota, Colombia, covered in 24 inches of snow
      Record snow in Abruzzo, Italy (elevation 36 ft) for about 24 consecutive hours it snowed persistently recording a total accumulation of 1 meter and a half.
      World Record Snowfall in Capracotta, Italy Previous record Silver Lake, Colorado, USA with 75.8 inches
      Greek islands in the Mediterranean buried under 6½ ft (2 m) of snow
      Heavy snowfall causes road closures in Mexico
      A very unusual snowing forced the closure of the Mexico City – Puebla City 150-D highway
      Norway – Forced to remove excessive snow from ski slopes – “During the last two days we’ve got more snow than we had in the last two years together,” says Vegar Sårheim. “I had never believed we would experience this.”

    • Gail Combs says:

      2010:
      Feb 13th 2010 – Snow in all 50 U.S. states
      20 million farm animals may die in Mongolia before spring as the fiercest winter in living memory grips the country,
      Record Snowfall for Baltimore
      Freak snow storm covers southern France
      Freak snow falls in Spain strands 6000.
      Scotland records coldest winter
      Temperatures were glacial across Europe over the weekend, kills 22 across Europe
      Snowfall in St. Petersburg [Russia] breaks 130-year record
      Hundreds freeze to death in Peruvian Andes
      Snow in Brazil, below zero Celsius in the River Plate and tropical fish frozen

      2012:
      Low temps in Peru – Death toll rises to 31
      Freak cold in the Andes kills hundreds
      Cold Blast Claims Over 600 Lives Across Eastern Europe/Russia…”Death Toll Keeps Rising…State Of Emergency”
      Coldest January on record for parts of Alaska
      2012 the coldest July on record in Anchorage Alaska
      Shortage of food in Uzbekistan city due to snow
      The First Time Occurred, Snow Storm Hits West Sumatra, Indonesia on Wednesday, March 28. – Snow record broken in South Africa
      Johannesburg marvels at rare snowfall
      Unprecedented cold in Morocco
      Heavy snowfall in Tunisia, Roads in Ain Draham blocked by 31 inches (80 cm) of snow

    • Gail Combs says:

      The year 2011 was a real winner.

      Three CAGW icons fell, sea level rise, glaciers shrinking and polar bear extinction, while one child was burned to death in the name of global warming mitigation. Climate Justice Day in NYC got buried in RECORD SNOWFALL and the Met Office Announced – Europe May be Facing Return Of ‘Little Ice Age’ On top of that Montana’s Glacier National Park, in Colorado’s Front Range, in Wyoming’s Grand Tetons, the glaciers and snowfields are actually gaining volume according to Bob Comey, director of the Bridger-Teton National Forest Avalanche Center. “I’ve never seen a season with a gain like we’ve seen this summer,” Comey said.

      Research from the Met Office suggests that Europe could be facing a return of the “little ice age” that gripped Britain 300 years ago, causing decades of bitter winters, Leake warns. The prediction, to be published in Nature, is based on observations of a slow-down in the sun’s emissions of ultraviolet radiation
      thegwpf(dot)org/the-climate-record/4062-met-office-u-turn-europe-may-be-facing-return-of-little-ice-age.html

      2011

      23 Aug 2011 — NASA Global sea levels DROPPED 5mm in 2010
      September 16, 2011 — Sea Level Continues Decline
      The two-year-long decline is continuing at a rate of 5mm per year
      in August 2011, NASA announced that global sea level was dropping and was “a quarter of an inch lower than last summer.” http://iceagenow.info/obama-promise-sea-levels-fall/


      Envisat numbers here:
      ftp://ftp.aviso.oceanobs.com/pub/oceano/AVISO/indicators/msl/MSL_Serie_EN_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.txt

      2 Aug 2011 Polar Bear Population “May now be near historic highs”
      “The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that the polar bear population is currently at 20,000 to 25,000 bears, up from as low as 5,000-10,000 bears in the 1950s and 1960s,” says article by Amrutha Gayathri.

      September 23, 2011 Armed troops burn down homes, kill children in name of global warming
      Armed troops acting on behalf of a British carbon trading company backed by the World Bank burned houses to the ground and killed children to evict Ugandans from their homes in the name of seizing land to protect against “global warming, Villagers told of how armed “security forces” stormed their village and torched houses, burning an eight-year-child to death as they threatened to murder anyone who resisted while beating others.

      “The government and the company said the settlers were illegal and evicted for a good cause: to protect the environment and help fight global warming.
      NOTE: The ‘settlers’ have been there for years but since Africa does not have land deeds the government can say they are squaters even if the famly has been there since prehistoric times. I used to have a link explaining the land deed problem that makes Africa and South American peasants such easy targets.

      28 Mar 2011 — All seven glaciers on California’s Mount Shasta are growing – Record snowfall to spur even more growth –
      Not only are Mt. Shasta’s glaciers growing, two have nearly doubled in size. Both the Hotlum and Wintun Glaciers have nearly doubled in size since 1950. With a record 98 inches of snow during the month of March, and an estimated 6 feet of new powder during the past week, the Mt. Shasta Ski Park is extending its ski season.

      15 Aug 2011 New Zealand Snowfall Sets New Records, Blizzards in New Zealand ground flights, close roads, shut down mail delivery and shut off power in what forecasters describe as once-in-a-lifetime conditions. – The cities of Wellington and Auckland saw their first snow for decades. First snow in downtown Auckland in 72 years.
      (wwwDOT)irishweatheronline.com/news/atmosphere/cold/new-zealand-snowfall-sets-new-records/32154.html

      31 Aug 2011 – Met Office figures indicate UK – Coldest summer in nearly 20 years
      (wwwDOT)telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/8730125/Parts-of-Britain-suffer-coldest-summer-for-nearly-two-decades.html

      31 Aug 2011 — Ireland – One of coldest Augusts since 1851
      Following the coldest June in nearly 40 years and the coldest July in 50 years, this month is now one of the coldest Augusts since records began in 1851.
      (wwwDOT)independent.ie/national-news/what-summer-august-was-coldest-in-25-years-2861997.html

      31 Aug 2011 — Snow fell as low as 6,500 feet in Montana’s Glacier National Park and the neighboring higher terrain in Canada.
      (wwwDOT)accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/54489/first-snow-of-the-season-1.asp

      14 Sep 2011 Early Freeze Could Severely Damage Minnesota Crops
      “Wednesday night’s overnight forecast of 25 degrees could be very damaging,” said Zastrow. “Twenty-eight degrees [F] will pretty much kill everything.” A normal frost isn’t seen until late September
      http://ksax.com/article/stories/S2284262.shtml?cat=10230

      16 Sep 2011 Winter Arrives Early In Minnesota
      Record cold in International Falls – Duluth ties record for early winter snowfall And with a temperature of just 19F (-7.2C) on Wednesday, International Falls, Minnesota, endured the coldest temperature on record for the time of year and the first time that a local reading in the teens has been recorded during the month of September. A cold front swept south from Canada resulting in widespread frost and record low temperatures for the time of year in the Upper Midwest and northern Great Lakes regions.
      (wwwDOT)irishweatheronline.com/news/atmosphere/cold/winter-arrives-early-in-minnesota/37951.html

      15 Sep 2011 Snow in Durango? It’s not even fall yet!
      “It’s not the earliest snow ever, but it’s not exactly normal, either,” The first snow generally comes in mid-October, Ramey added.
      durangoherald(DOT)com/article/20110915/NEWS01/709159934/-1/s/Snow?-Really?-It%E2%80%99s-not-even-fall-yet

    • AndyG55 says:

      “The whole planet was in record breaking heat”

      RUBBISH

      GISS etc were is record breaking data fraud and fabrication.

      The average of the reliable untampered data from the satellites (who’s trend over the US matches the trend in USCRN) shows 2014 in 7th place.

      All the MSM hype that you probably base you comment on were just propaganda LIES built on manic data adjustment.

    • GDT Kona says:

      “….overall the 7th warmest winter in the USA.” Records that go back almost 160 years!! Relative to the age of the earth’s climate any conclusions to be made from it would be like making conclusions about the stock market looking at the last few seconds of trading.

  8. Pat says:

    Good to see an article with facts. However, to be fair to Drudge, the headline you have captured links to the accuweather site; accuweather is where all the excitement about the weather is going on.

  9. Marty Ahrens says:

    To true believers in “Climate Change” or anthropogenic global warming, ANY deviation from “average” at all is proof of the theory. Cold, hot, wet, dry, too many or too few tornadoes and hurricanes… ANYTHING works.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Yuppers
      That is why the ClimAstrologits change from Gore Bull Warbling to ‘Climate Change’ when they realized they couldn’t get their totalitarian world government agreed to in Nopenhagen in 2009.

      Now that the ‘PAUSE’ is becoming hard to bury, the sun has gone to sleep, and more and more scientists are saying a return to colder weather is only a few years off, they are really scrambling.

      Despite their two faked 97% consensus, in Feb 13 2013, Forbes had an article: Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

      Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

      The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims….

      Worse as scientists retire or reach tenure they are no longer keeping their mouths shut.

      Retired NASA scientists have even organized. ONE MORE MISSION: The Right Climate Stuff

      Their Conclusions and Recommendations

      ……………….
      The big problem for the Climate Propagandists is change of view is a one way street. When an alarmist (with no vested interest) actually bothers to do some research they switch to being a skeptic. You do not see the switch in the other direction.

    • RAH says:

      This year they said that the fact that Buffalo, NY set a record for it’s latest measurable snowfall was because of climate change. Two years ago when Buffalo had a record lake effect storm in November THAT was also claimed to be because of climate change. Climate change causes every kind of weather imaginable for the believers just as the monster under the bed or in the closet haunts so many children.

  10. Gail Combs says:

    I was a QC Engineer/Chemist lab manger and I, like many QC types have no use for ISO. with a reliance on paperwork and not evidence. Hubby just handed me this which I think all here will, appreciate.

    A Tale of Two Ships

    Next time a Progressive advocates large bureaucracies and Big Government vs capitalism, hand him that! It is why I really want a businessman in charge instead of career politicians or lawyers.

    • Hal Howell says:

      Gail, I’m not certain of what your point is. It’s easy to compare 2 ships one cheaper than the other but it fails to realize they have different missions. The LPD is a much more complex ship than a simple container ship. The container ship is not designed to protect you or go into combat nor is it designed to carry men and equipment to any place on earth. The LPD is. Yes, it is expensive. Sadly, it is also necessary. My last ship was the USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CVN72). It cost $4.5 Billion! So, the LPD is a bargain!

      • Gail Combs says:

        The problem is the crappy QC (and design) and I am talking of the ENGINES which have nothing to do with it being a Naval ship.

        I am probably a bit more in tune with the crappy QC problem and SNAFUS since my boy friend and several other friends in QC worked for Raytheon. (Not to mention Hubby’s old girl friend.)
        These problems have to do with the engine and only the engine.

        2004-12 Towed from Avondale to Pascagoula. Could not move under own power despite being christened in 2003.

        2005-?? Attempted sea trials. Navy came up with 15,000 deficiencies. Some of these were major enough to compromise watertight integrity.

        2008-10 Got as far as Bahrain in October. Extensive oil leaks. 30 welders and fitters flown out from USA for at least two weeks of repairs.

        2008-11 All four main engines out of commission.

        2009-02 During transit of Suez, one screw suddenly went into reverse, sending the ship out of control and aground.

        2010-03 San Antonio to Norfolk for 4-5 month overhaul costing 5 million. But inspectors finds bolts in the main engine foundation improperly installed, extensive bearing damage. Problems include bent crankshaft. Repairs now expected to take about 11 months and cost at least °30 million.

        2011-05 San Antonio leaves yard, and after trials declared ready for duty.

        2011-07 Unable to maintain full power. Returns to yard for repairs.

        2012-03 San Antonio given the Navy’s Battle Effectiveness Award, beating out four of her sisterships. Gets to paints a big E on super-structure.

        Realize in WWII the USA produced 1 ship every four days, yet this lemon took ten years from delivery to being able to run under her own power without failing…. maybe.

        As a Navy man would you want to be on this lemon in a battle?

    • Paul Lindsey says:

      Gail, I’m sorry, but the Tale of Two Ships is a simplistic comparison using a worst case build first-of-a-kind naval vessel. I recently supervised a new equipment installation on LPD25. I also supervise work on multiple USN and MSC vessels in the San Diego Area, from CVNs to DDGs to the USNS MERCY (a converted oil tanker). There were multiple issues with LPD17, starting with the CAD software being used, US Navy designs, and poor work by Avondale Shipyard then Earl Industries Shipyard (decertified by the Navy in May 2011 for improper work practices and QC) and Hurricane Katrina. In any case, as stated by Hal Howell, a naval vessel is not a commercial tanker. A tanker, even a double-hulled one, is a thin-skinned tin can with none of the survivability of a naval vessel. A commercial vessel (tanker/containership) maneuvers (speed up, slow down, turns) like a drugged elephant. There is no redundancy on a commercial vessel. I could go on and on.
      Regards, Paul Lindsey. LCDR USN (ret), Surface Warfare Officer, Naval Nuclear Propulsion subspecialty.

      • Gail Combs says:

        “…. US Navy designs, and poor work by Avondale Shipyard then Earl Industries Shipyard (decertified by the Navy in May 2011 for improper work practices and QC) …..”

        And THAT was what I was pointing out CRAPPY QC!

        One QC guy I know who worked on airplanes in Texas yanked some five hash bolts out of the bin and had them tested. They were pot metal! I worked in QC on air craft turbine blades and I caught a tech passing ceramic mold material that would poison the metal upon firing and make the blades brittle. The result?
        I was fired and blackballed. The FAA was not at all interested until three planes crashed.

        • Gail Combs says:

          I have had this fight many times. Crappy QC costs but the bean counters LOVE Just-in-time and ISO and it isn’t until a million dollar loss results from a refusal to spend $64 dollars a year that they finally listen to reason.

        • Gail Combs says:

          It has been well demonstrated over several years at this site and at WUWT, that _Jim comments are usually an attack on me. (With no back up info.)

          HEY _Jim I AM NOT your ex-wife. My ex’s name was Bill not Jim.

          (And yah, my comment was about QC and ISO — ANOTHER ‘international standard org.’ )

      • _Jim says:

        Paul,

        It has been well demonstrated on this site that on some issues Gail is a complete idiot.

        73,

        _Jim

        • AndyG55 says:

          And Jim’s comment demonstrates that Jim is just a complete idiot, one assumes most of the time.

          Gail was talking about QC,

          Paul was talking about design.

          Do you understand the difference ?

          No design is any good if QC is not up to design spec.

          A battleship held together with white metal bolts just isn’t going to last very long, now is it.!

          Let’s hope that Paul did proper QC when doing his supervision on those ships, hey !! 😉

    • czechlist says:

      Gail,
      I was a QC engineering manager at a major military contractor and was as disgusted with many ANSI standards as with ISO. For example – the latest ANSI Std for calibration (Z540.3) is unnecessarily stringent and cost prohibitive for most Measuring and Test equipment calibrations. Responsibility for implementing Z540.3 in a dozen cal labs was a major contribution to my early retirement.Too many National standards are influenced by consultants who, like lawyers, create the need for their expertise.
      I believe ISO was created to increase US manufacturing costs so that the international community can compete.

    • Robert B says:

      I don’t know if it was intentional but these standards have actually reduced the quality of laboratories because its used in a pecking sort of way.

      I worked for a vintage in a winery lab in Australia. I understand why analysis of the final product needed to be done properly according to the national standard but much of the work during fermentation did not have to be very precise as the sampling was poor and the changes to concentration by the time the result got to the winemaker were large.

      My job was to get a method using a plate reader working sufficiently well for analysing the fermentation so accuracy rather than precision was important. The test for nitrogen was a bugger but I could get OK results which pissed off some of the permanent staff. To get it to work better, I ordered in some 10 mL volumetric flasks that a certain cow insisted needed to be calibrated. My boss told me to humour her so I went through the motions. When I asked for a table of water densities (changes with temp) she told me that they just used 1. Ahhhhhh!

      • Gail Combs says:

        Nice to see some other QC types.

        And yes you have to apply common sense to the matter of QC. Juggling, time, money and the need for precision is very necessary for setting up a reasonable QC protocol. Even a quick and dirty ID test can save millions.

        One company refused to let the lab sample incoming trichloroethylene use to degrease yarn. Purchasing made a mistake and ordered trichloroethane. Greasy yarn was used to make the rollers that applied toner in copy machines. Zerox went through the roof when they got that batch of brushes. (I got the authority to do the sampling I wanted.)

  11. MichMike says:

    Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person? Not surprising to anyone. But do you realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that’s right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions? Were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average, overall U. S. CO2 emissions would immediately decline 17% and overall planetary CO2 emissions would decline 2.7%. Yet all the plans being unilaterally implemented by the president will allow this group to continue to spew CO2 unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes, just for being alive. Just a different perspective on the AGW scam.

  12. Latitude says:

    Drudge has this post on the front page now too….

  13. MICHAEL JOHN says:

    GO TRUMP!

  14. mark says:

    thank you for the information
    I was actually wondering about this yesterday. You have answered the question, as usual, with clear, unadulterated FACT.

  15. imahippyburning says:

    Can someone please be sure to tell that Moron Bette Midler this warm weather has happened before so she can come out from under her bed!

  16. Canadian Climate Guy says:

    Reblogged this on Canadian Climate Guy.

  17. jmoke jmoke says:

    No watch some numb nut come on here and claim humans are responsible for this warming. Oh, the gall.

  18. Avermensis says:

    Check out the winter of 1968/1969m, mid December. It was 75 F about a week before Christmas. We were driving around in a convertible in our T-shirts and shorts.

  19. Roger says:

    Didn’t you hear?

    Obama issued an Executive Order to ban snow because it is racist.

  20. markstoval says:

    I am in Orlando right now. It might be 86 tomorrow or it may not, but in 1974 when I brought my new wife to this city for a vacation and a visit to my family we went swimming on Christmas Day. Recall that the 70s were mostly cold, and that made the Christmas day in the 80s and swimming even more dramatic.

    ~ Mark

    • Gail Combs says:

      Mark, my family went to Florida every year for vacation in December in the 1960s and we always went swimming in the ocean. Of course living in the finger lake region (NY) and swimming in the lakes during summer made winter in Florida seem really warm. It was the return to snow that was a pain.

  21. Psalmon says:

    CA is having a “whiteout” Christmas. Christmas Eve morning at Kirkwood, wow:

    http://www.kirkwood.com/mountain/web-cams.aspx

  22. bluemoon says:

    Drudge does NOT report news. It is an aggregation site. Blame AccuWeather.com where one is directed with a link that you obviously did not click. But then, you just wanted a button click by having “Drudge” in your story. You should have included “Tim Tebow” and you would have gotten even more clicks.

    Oh – I just did so you are welcome.

  23. Bill says:

    It’s racist to prove that Obama is a liar…..

  24. Baby, it's cold outside says:

    Obviously 1955 was warmer because of the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan which triggered global warming. A delayed reaction, no doubt.

  25. Onlooker from Troy says:

    I’d love to know where to get that map of temps (the second one shown). For future reference and to link to the source for people who won’t believe it otherwise.

    Thanks!

  26. People with short histories. I was in high school in Kentucky in 1982- that December was the warmest one in my memory- the month started hot and ended hot. Today and tomorrow here in Oak Ridge, not all that different in climate to where I grew up near Pikeville, Ky- just a bit warmer on average- will not even come close to those records set in 1982.

  27. Brian says:

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the song White Christmas wasn’t written in 1954. It was written years earlier, and originally released in 1942. It was the most commonly played song among the soldiers in WW2, reminding them of home. It was written over a decade prior to the movie.

    • rah says:

      Actually it was “I’ll be home for Christmas” which was the most popular for the soldiers 1944. Bing Crosby did it first in 1943 and after the great advances across France after D-day it was a common hope and actually belief for many that the war in Europe would end before the year was out. The song was written from the perspective of an American soldier in Europe writtiing home and perfectly expressed the desires of most of them.

      ‘White Christmas’ was a better seller at home and in fact set records for it’s sales, but “I’ll be home for Christmas” was the most popular tune for the American solider in Europe in 1944 by far.

      Both are Bing Crosby Classics and I have both on the 1/4″ thick 78s I inherited from my Grandma.

      IMO ‘I’ll be home for Christmas’ falls only behind ‘Lili Marlene’, a German song that was very popular with Germans, Americans, and Brits, in the rank of the most iconic song of WW II from the the perspective of the US WW II service man.

      When you read the personal accounts of the US service men involved in the war in Europe, those two songs are by far the most mentioned it seems to me.

  28. Tracey says:

    It was always my understanding climate change/global warming would result in colder winters and warmer drier summers?

  29. Dean Barr says:

    Once again, “weather” is not the same as climate. Check average global temps year over year and this story becomes hogwash. Just because it snows in a city or region, or the polar vortex moves down from the polar region and freezes the Great Lakes, has nothing to do with overall global temps. You righties are being taken for a ride your descendants will regret. But you won’t be here so you don’t care. Comical…..

    • Robert B says:

      You might have a point if the story didn’t start with an idiot using a weather event to call people idiots for not believing in global warming, or if it was not so obvious that the fiddling of the global average has made it meaningless.

    • Bill says:

      Weather and climate are synonyms….google climate definition and educate yourself….the first three words in the definition of climate are THE WEATHER CONDITIONS!

      • Gail Combs says:

        Infilling Is Massively Corrupting The US Temperature Record
        ” Infilling of fabricated temperatures is causing the vast majority of reported warming since 1990. The reason I see this and others don’t – is because I use the actual data reported by USHCN exactly as it is reported.” In the data tables it is marked

        “The divergence coincides with the beginning of wide scale station data loss.

        From another site:
        Here is a look at the actual stations used (vs the stations tossed) for Canada. Canada is 3.5 million square miles – or 6.7% of the land area of the earth, and covering latitudes from 45N to 85N. Notice the stations tossed are those in the far north.
        “..the most obvious ‘hole’ is the lack of stations above latitude 60N. Yukon, Nunavut and Northwest Territories make up 39% of Canada, but between them have only four stations: Dawson and Whitehorse (Y), Eureka and Coral Harbour (NT)…” — Verity Jones

        Black triangle are stations in use:

        From over 600 individual temperature series and more than 540 combined series with records of more than 20 years, the thermometer record in Canada peaked in approx. 1975 (see map, above), but has since been decimated by station dropout. By 2009 there are less than 30 locations reporting temperature that are used by the Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) prepared by the U.S. National Climate Data Center (NCDC); this data is also used as the input to NASA’s GIStemp program.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Temperature adjustments gets even more interesting.
        Zeke Hausefeather did a hatchet job on Steve in his article @ Judith Curry’s Understanding Adjustments to Temperature Data. The Mosh pup is there defending BEST. Zeke and Mosher are defending the TOBS adjustments that Steve (and I) say are bogus.

        Zeke Hausfeather states:

        ……Nearly every single station in the network in the network has been moved at least once over the last century, with many having 3 or more distinct moves. Most of the stations have changed from using liquid in glass thermometers (LiG) in Stevenson screens to electronic Minimum Maximum Temperature Systems (MMTS) or Automated Surface Observing Systems (ASOS). Observation times have shifted from afternoon to morning at most stations since 1960, as part of an effort by the National Weather Service to improve precipitation measurements.

        All of these changes introduce (non-random) systemic biases into the network. For example, MMTS sensors tend to read maximum daily temperatures about 0.5 C colder than LiG thermometers at the same location. There is a very obvious cooling bias in the record associated with the conversion of most co-op stations from LiG to MMTS in the 1980s, and even folks deeply skeptical of the temperature network like Anthony Watts and his coauthors add an explicit correction for this in their paper…..

        So in addition to the TOBS ‘adjustment’ they do another 0.5 C colder adjustment to the older liquid in glass thermometers. However that adjustment is just as bogus, actually more so than the TOBS adjustment.

        The last couple of days I posted on an 8.5 year side-by-side test conducted by German veteran meteorologist Klaus Hager, see here and here. The test compared traditional glass mercury thermometer measurement stations to the new electronic measurement system, whose implementation began at Germany’s approximately 2000 surface stations in 1985 and concluded around 2000.

        Hager’s test results showed that on average the new electronic measurement system produced warmer temperature readings: a whopping mean of 0.93°C warmer. The question is: Is this detectable in Germany’s temperature dataset? Do we see a temperature jump during the time the new “warmer” system was put into operation (1985 – 2000)? The answer is: absolutely!
        http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.Es2IbMZo.sAqMRsUB.dpbs

        So that ‘adjustment’ just like the TOBS adjustment is also in the WRONG direction giving up to a 1.5°C warming bias!

        And then there is the question of whether or not the BEST data was actually raw data to begin with.

        Zeke says, “In the Berkeley approach every attempt is made to use first reports. We avoid the term “raw” data because one can never know that data that purports to be “raw” is in fact “raw.” ~ http://judithcurry.com/2012/07/29/a-new-release-from-berkeley-earth-surface-temperature/

        Turns out that statement too is ‘economical’ with the truth.

        Ben says over at Jo Nova’s on January 20, 2014 at 8:53 am

        Recent recovery of truly raw data from Europe demonstrated that BEST is not using raw data. Further, the results demonstrated that BEST has a bias for coastal stations, just like GISS. Mosher equivocated when asked why OAS stations were dropped from BEST.

        He is referring to Frank Lanser’s The Original Temperatures Project

        … Non-coastal stations can be divided further into Ocean Air Affected stations (“OAA”, marked yellow) and then Ocean Air Shelter stations (“OAS”, marked blue).
        OAS areas thus have some similarities with valleys in general, but as illustrated above, the OAS areas cover a slightly different area than the valleys.

        In general I have aimed to find average OAA temperature trends and average OAS temperature trends for the areas analysed. For each country analysed I have made comparison between national temperature trends as published by the “BEST” project and then the OAA and OAS temperature trends from original data. I want to know if BEST data use both the warm trended OAA data and the more cold trended OAS data. In addition, I have made comparisons of ECA&D data versus original for many countries and also HISTALP data versus original.
        More info can be found on:
        http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/original-temperatures-introduction-267.php

        …3.3 Adjustments: The BEST project
        The BEST project collects data from different sources often already related to NOAA and NCDC. BEST often present multiple versions/copies of the same longer datasets already used repeatedly in climate science. BEST have not required the large bulk of existing temperature data from the national Meteorological institutes.

        Fig 8
        For all countries analysed so far, the BEST national data is nearly identical with the coastal trends and the Ocean Air Affected (“OAA”) locations. The data from the Ocean Air Shelter (“OAS”) stations appears to be completely ignored by the BEST project country after country after country. Just as we saw for HISTALP….

        Note that Frank is an UNPAID researcher while Zeke is PAID by Berkley, a University that is so left wing, Mom threw a hissy fit when I suggested that as the school I wished to attend because it was the only school carrying my first choice of major.

        I could go on as the regulars here know, but I will leave it at that.

    • Gail Combs says:

      You might have a point if NOAA used DATA and not fairy dust. NOAA is manipulating data to create a specific outcome which is resulting in the taxing of citizens and the waste of $billions.

      Until 1999 NASA said the US was on a long term cooling trend
      * Until 1989 NOAA said there was no long term warming in the US
      * Sometime after 2000, NOAA made a large downwards shift in the absolute baseline temperature. This is probably why Nick and Zeke keep insisting on the use of anomalies, as it hides the shift.
      * Temperatures are being adjusted an average of about 1.5F relative to the 1930s
      * The raw data does not support the validity of a TOBS adjustment
      * NOAA is doing something in their conversion from daily data to monthly data to create a bias which selectively cools the past – which in turn creates the appearance that TOBS is valid.
      * Since 1990, almost all warming is due to infilling of non-existent temperature data.

      And to top it all off, the UHI adjustment is much too small….

      “USHCN adjustments are increasing exponentially. They are now nearly 1.5F total. According to USHCN V1 documentation, the adjustments were supposed to level off after 1990 at 0.5F. Instead of leveling off, they have sharply increased and are now almost three times as large as the USHCN V1 adjustments.”

      “There is an almost perfect correlation between the increase in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and how much cheating our friends at NCDC are doing with the US temperature record.”

      “Our algorithm is working as designed” – Recent NCDC press release

    • gofer says:

      Tell that to Bill Nye…..who uses weather as climate all the time.

      “Science advocate Bill Nye explained on Tuesday that many parts of the United States were expected to see record temperatures over the Christmas holiday because of weather patterns associated with climate change.

      But Nye chastised meteorologists for refusing to utter the words “climate change” to their viewers. “We have a situation where no one in regular television will say the phrase ‘climate change,’” Nye declared, calling out MSNBC meteorologists by name. “Nobody will mention this phrase. But the world’s getting warmer!”

      • Bill Nye … uses weather as climate all the time.

        It’s amazing what Bill can do. He also uses his left foot as his brain much of the time.

        Bill Nye: “The main thing is, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change got a Nobel Prize! They got a scientific prize for making a discovery! They didn’t get a minor award. This is a big deal! They discovered climate change, through all kinds of evidence!”

        • Gail Combs says:

          I guess that IDIOT Bill Nye never heard of The Serbian astrophysicist Milutin Milankovitch.

          From NASA no less!

          …After a brief stint as the chief engineer for a construction company, he accepted a faculty position in applied mathematics at the University of Belgrade in 1909—a position he held for the remainder of his life.

          Milankovitch dedicated his career to developing a mathematical theory of climate based on the seasonal and latitudinal variations of solar radiation received by the Earth. Now known as the Milankovitch Theory, it states that as the Earth travels through space around the sun, cyclical variations in three elements of Earth-sun geometry combine to produce variations in the amount of solar energy that reaches Earth:
          Variations in the Earth’s orbital eccentricity—the shape of the orbit around the sun.

          Changes in obliquity—changes in the angle that Earth’s axis makes with the plane of Earth’s orbit.

          Precession—the change in the direction of the Earth’s axis of rotation, i.e., the axis of rotation behaves like the spin axis of a top that is winding down; hence it traces a circle on the celestial sphere over a period of time.

          Together, the periods of these orbital motions have become known as Milankovitch cycles….

          for about 50 years, Milankovitch’s theory was largely ignored. Then, in 1976, a study published in the journal Science examined deep-sea sediment cores and found that Milankovitch’s theory did in fact correspond to periods of climate change (Hays et al. 1976). Specifically, the authors were able to extract the record of temperature change going back 450,000 years and found that major variations in climate were closely associated with changes in the geometry (eccentricity, obliquity, and precession) of Earth’s orbit. Indeed, ice ages had occurred when the Earth was going through different stages of orbital variation.

          Since this study, the National Research Council of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences has embraced the Milankovitch Cycle model….
          http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Milankovitch/

          Those that can do, do.
          Those that can’t do teach.
          Those that can teach go on TV and make idiots of themselves.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “Those that can teach go on TV and make idiots of themselves.”

          I think you mean….

          “Those that CAN’T teach go on TV and make idiots of themselves.”

          I very much doubt that anyone has ever learnt anything meaningful from Bill Nye !

        • gator69 says:

          We’ve learned what a brainless tool looks like in a bow tie.

        • AndyG55 says:

          And FFS Bill, it was a Nobel PEACE prize….

          which has NOTHING to do with science…..

          and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with peace.

          The guy really is a moronic half-wit !!!

        • Gail Combs says:

          Thanks for the correct AndyG (I was waiting for the tea water to boil and needed my Cuppa.)

          Unfortunately Bill Nye Does teach his nonsense drivel to innocent children.

    • Gail Combs says:

      As the Jet streams become more meridional (loopy) and the temperature differential between the poles and the equator increases expect more extreme weather.

      “The lesson from the last interglacial “greenhouse” in the Bahamas is that the closing of that interval brought sea-level changes that were rapid and extreme. This has prompted the remark that between the greenhouse and the icehouse lies a climatic “madhouse”! —- Neumann, A. C., and Hearty, P. J.

      A warmer world has zonal jets. Thanks to changes in incoming solar UV during solar minimums which changing ozone formation, a change to a cooler world is going to change the position of the jets and therefore change the rain fall patterns.

      Here are the Papers that support that conclusion:

      They actually did field research in this study on atmospheric circulation shifts

      06 May 2012 Nature Geoscience | Letter Regional atmospheric circulation shifts induced by a grand solar minimum

      ABSTRACT
      Large changes in solar ultraviolet radiation can indirectly affect climate by inducing atmospheric changes. Specifically, it has been suggested that centennial-scale climate variability during the Holocene epoch was controlled by the Sun. However, the amplitude of solar forcing is small when compared with the climatic effects and, without reliable data sets, it is unclear which feedback mechanisms could have amplified the forcing. Here we analyse annually laminated sediments of Lake Meerfelder Maar, Germany, to derive variations in wind strength and the rate of 10Be accumulation, a proxy for solar activity, from 3,300 to 2,000 years before present. We find a sharp increase in windiness and cosmogenic 10Be deposition 2,759  ±  39 varve years before present and a reduction in both entities 199  ±  9 annual layers later. We infer that the atmospheric circulation reacted abruptly and in phase with the solar minimum. A shift in atmospheric circulation in response to changes in solar activity is broadly consistent with atmospheric circulation patterns in long-term climate model simulations, and in reanalysis data that assimilate observations from recent solar minima into a climate model. We conclude that changes in atmospheric circulation amplified the solar signal and caused abrupt climate change about 2,800 years ago, coincident with a grand solar minimum.

      Two papers about rainfall also with the ‘Sun Connection’ and again with actual field studies.

      Indian monsoon – Solar Connection
      Manish Tiwari and R. Ramesh

      Abstract
      Solar forcing on the Indian monsoon has been an important area of research with several workers proposing it as the governing factor for the southwest (SW) monsoon strength during the Holocene. But most of these studies are based on the SW monsoon wind and not the precipitation proxies. We analyzed stable oxygen isotopic composition (δ18O) of three species of planktic foraminifera (Gs. ruber, Gs. sacculifer and Gr. menardii) using the stable isotope ratio mass spectrometer in a sediment core from the eastern Arabian Sea that yields the past variations in SW monsoon precipitation. High-resolution isotopic analyses show that solar forcing likely played a major role in governing the past variations in SW monsoon precipitation on centennial timescale.

      Introduction
      …The SW coast of India (along the Western Ghats) offers an opportunity to determine the past fluctuations in precipitation as it receives abundant rainfall during the SW monsoon that gets into the Arabian Sea as freshwater runoff6. We carried out high-resolution oxygen isotope analysis of planktonic foraminifera from a sediment core, namely SK-145-9, from the southwestern continental margin of India that provides past variations in monsoon precipitation…..

      Results & Discussion
      ….The studied species are known to grow predominantly during the SW monsoon months and hence are likely to record the signals arising mainly due to SW monsoon fluctuation. In the eastern Arabian Sea, SSS variation is mainly controlled by the variation in the supply of fresh water as surface runoff from the adjacent Western Ghats during the southwest monsoon….
      A reduction in SSS occurs due to the influx of large amount of fresh water, depleted in 18O, as surface runoff into the coastal eastern Arabian Sea during intense SW monsoon precipitation events. In the eastern Arabian Sea, for every per mil decline in salinity, the δ18O value decreases by 0.33 ‰6, 25. Thus a depleted δ18O signal indicates enhanced southwest monsoon precipitation whereas an enriched δ18O signal points towards reduced precipitation due to weaker southwest monsoon…..

      The Sun – Monsoon Relationship
      Bard et al.28 reconstructed TSI data for the past 1200 years, which has been taken for the present study. They based the TSI estimation on the common fluctuations of the 14C and 10Be production rates obtained from tree rings and polar ice sheets. The TSI curve used in this study assumes a 0.25% reduction in TSI during Maunder Minimum3. The TSI data are compared with the δ18O in all the three foraminiferal species…

      Conclusion
      Excellent correlation between the high-resolution isotopic data with TSI reconstruction indicates a likelihood of solar control over the SW monsoon on centennial timescales. It shows that although decadal scale variations in the TSI (0.1%) do not seem enough to perturb the SW monsoon but longer timescale fluctuations can bring about changes in precipitation not only by increasing land-ocean thermal contrast but also by various other positive feedback processes such as enhanced solar ultraviolet radiation & its absorption by ozone etc.

      Is solar variability reflected in the Nile River? Alexander Ruzmaikin, Joan Feynman, Yuk L. Yung
      ABSTRACT
      We investigate the possibility that solar variability influences North African climate by using annual records of the water level of the Nile collected in 622–1470 A.D. The time series of these records are nonstationary, in that the amplitudes and frequencies of the quasi-periodic variations are time-dependent. We apply the Empirical Mode Decomposition technique especially designed to deal with such time series. We identify two characteristic timescales in the records that may be linked to solar variability: a period of about 88 years and one exceeding 200 years. We show that these timescales are present in the number of auroras reported per decade in the Northern Hemisphere at the same time. The 11-year cycle is seen in the Nile’s high-water level variations, but it is damped in the low-water anomalies. We suggest a possible physical link between solar variability and the low-frequency variations of the Nile water level. This link involves the influence of solar variability on the atmospheric Northern Annual Mode and on its North Atlantic Ocean and Indian Ocean patterns that affect the rainfall over the sources of the Nile in eastern equatorial Africa.

      And if you want a really long paper (33 pages) on the UV/Ozone/ climate connection: Recent variability of the solar spectral irradiance and its impact on climate modelling (2013)

      Seems the IPCC is screaming ‘the Science is Settled’ and the ClimAstrologists haven’t even bothered to look at the effects of the sun on the climate or done a decent job of modeling them!

      A unique aspect of this study is the description of the solar terrestrial connection by an interdisciplinary team of solar and atmospheric physicists. Progress on this hotly debated issue has often been hampered by the fact that limitations on observations or on models are not always properly known outside of a given scientific community. For the first time, a comprehensive comparison and discussion of all relevant SSI measurements and models available for climate studies is presented, as well as a first investigation of their impacts on Earth’s climate within a number of different CCMs. These results highlight the importance of taking into account in future climate studies SSI variations and their effects on the Earth’s atmosphere…..

      ….we focussed on the effect of the solar forcing without quantifying the impacts on amplification and feedback mechanisms. This should be done in a coordinated set of CCM experiments where the treatment of SSI inputs to the models are completely specified and results are robustly comparable with each other. Then, it will be also possible to investigate the effects of the top–down feedback and for CCMs with an interactive ocean also the bottom–up feedback mechanism….

    • gator69 says:

      No john, it isn’t. The records only go back 65 years. For it to be “truly new”, it would have to be the first in 4,500,000,000 years.

      Looking at the historical tornado database from the Storm Prediction Center, this will be Michigan’s first December tornado since records began in 1950.

      What kind of Young Earther are you?

  30. Pavelina says:

    In winter of 1947 when we were living in Washington. DC it was so warm at Christmas I was wearing shorts and the cherry blossoms emerged much earlier – I think it was early January.

  31. Jerry says:

    Back in a time when their was more sanity in America and the loony communist scare schemes were knocked down by intelligent society in much contrast with today’s drug soaked minds

  32. Don says:

    Happy Federal Holiday!

    (Sorry, but I could not resist the stupid that Progressives birth)

  33. Erika Faber says:

    i am old enough to remember the winter of 1949-50. We wore our spring coats the entire winter! There weren’t as many cars then, by a long shot, and NO ONE talked about global warming! It was something that happened every so often – cyclical.. Just ask who gets to make money from promoting “global warming” ? THAT is the so-called “science”!

  34. Erika Faber says:

    I am old enough to remember the winter of 1949-50, when we wore our spring coats the entire winter. There weren’t as many cars then by a long shot, and no one talked about “global warming”! It’s a cyclical thing in nature. Just ask who makes money by promoting so-called “man-made global warming”. THAT is the “science”!!!

  35. vincefgVince says:

    Quit making sense. It upsets Al Gore.

  36. fred russo says:

    Just one more Liberal sham to gain voters.

  37. They well know that reformulation of jet fuel can air condition the planet, and solve climate change , but it leaves the New World Order out in the cold. When Science becomes the bastard son of Politics. his daughters are prostitutes.

  38. Tanker 74 says:

    How bad was Islamic terrorism in 1955?

  39. Mark Luhman says:

    I live in so called sunny and warm Arizona, we been having extreme cold the last few weeks, being from North Dakota/ Minnesota temperatures in the 30s is not extreme cold the temperature would have to have a minus sign on them to be extreme cold to me, but a Arizona native I would guess so, in any case we have been below normal for Arizona most of the month of December! Frost several days in this month and snow on the mountains. One site near the Grand Canyon recorded fourteen below this month. Yes it is weather but most normal humans in the US don’t live on the East coast.

  40. AndyG55 says:

    Well, Its Christmas Day down here…..

    So its a great Baaa ! Humbug! to all. 🙂

    MCaaHNY !!

  41. Randy Bogardus says:

    Many of you should become familiar with ice core data rather than confusing the media presentation regarding climate variability and the economically based positions taken by our elected officials with science. What occurs in our atmosphere when C02 levels increase is not guesswork. Ice core data going back numerous hundreds of thousands of years proves this out. Ice core data is the best source of historic climate variability data we have.

    • You have no clue what you are talking about Randy.

    • gator69 says:

      Randy, unlike you we are familiar with the ice core data, and it agrees with the British courts who ruled that Al Gore lied about ice core data in his propaganda flick. Time to pitch your much watched, and beloved copy of “An Inconvenient Truth”.

    • gator69 says:

      Oh, and BTW…

    • AndyG55 says:

      Yep.. Shows that the current temps are significantly below those of the last 10,000 years.

      Note.. you cannot graft on the CORRUPTED HadCrut or GISS data onto this graph. There has been MAYBE about 0.6C real warming since the end of that graph, thankfully.

      That puts us still below the MWP, RWP and most of the rest of the Holocene.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Here are the guys art the GRIP face !!!

    • AndyG55 says:

      That last line is the clincher..

      “We started to observe meteorology at the coldest point in the last 10,000 years.”
      (hope I got it right)

      And THANK GOODNESS for the small amount of warming there has been.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Randy, if you want to learn the truth about the ice core data read:
      http://www.greenworldtrust.org.uk/Science/Scientific/CO2-ice-HS.htm

      The ice core CO2 data is as fraudulent as the temperature data after NOAA ‘adjusts it’ They now analyze the CO2 in air bubbles where as earlier they crushed the entire sample and analyzed the CO2 in air bubbles AND ICE.

      Think of how flat a bottle of pop goes that is left in the closet for a year. Gases (and other chemicals) migrate through plastic, glass, metal AND ICE. The problem is a major headache for analytical chemists and Chem Engineers. Since CO2 loves cold water it ends up in the liquid water within the polar ice crystal lattice. These original studies showed the CO2 trapped in pre-industrial and ancient ice is rather high, and has a very wide concentration range of up to 7400 ppm.

      …This perfectly closed system, frozen in time, is a fantasy. “Liquid water is common in polar snow and ice, even at temperatures as low as -72C,” Dr. Jaworowski explains, “and we also know that in cold water, CO2 is 70 times more soluble than nitrogen and 30 times more soluble than oxygen, guaranteeing that the proportions of the various gases that remain in the trapped, ancient air will change. Moreover, under the extreme pressure that deep ice is subjected to — 320 bars, or more than 300 times normal atmospheric pressure — high levels of CO2 get squeezed out of ancient air.”

      Because of these various properties in ancient air, one would expect that, over time, ice cores that started off with high levels of CO2 would become depleted of excess CO2, leaving a fairly uniform base level of CO2 behind. In fact, this is exactly what the ice cores show.

      “According to the ice-core samples, CO2 levels vary little over time,” Dr. Jaworowski sates. “The ice core data from the Taylor Dome in Antarctica shows almost no change in the level of atmospheric CO2 over the last 7,000 to 8,000 years — it varied between 260 parts per million and 264 parts per million.

      “Yet other indicators of past CO2 levels, such as fossil leaf stomata, show that CO2 levels over the past 7,000 to 8,000 years varied by more than 50 parts per million, between 270 and 326 parts per million. We also know that there have been great fluctuations in temperature over that time period — the Little Age just 500 years ago, for example. If the icecore record was reliable, and CO2 levels reflected temperatures, why wouldn’t the ice-core data have shown CO2 levels to fall during the Little Ice Age? ”

      Dr. Jaworowski has devoted much of his professional life to the study of the composition of the atmosphere, as part of his work to understand the consequences of radioactive fallout from nuclear-weapons testing and nuclear reactor accidents. After taking numerous ice samples over the course of a dozen field trips to glaciers in six continents, and studying how contaminants travel through ice over time, he came to realize how fraught with error ice-core samples were in reconstructing the atmosphere….

      Because of the high importance of this realization, in 1994 Dr. Jaworowski, together with a team from the Norwegian Institute for Energy Technics, proposed a research project on the reliability of trace-gas determinations in the polar ice. The prospective sponsors of the research refused to fund it, claiming the research would be “immoral” if it served to undermine the foundations of climate research.

      The refusal did not come as a surprise. Several years earlier, in a peer-reviewed article published by the Norwegian Polar Institute, Dr. Jaworowski criticized the methods by which CO2 levels were ascertained from ice cores, and cast doubt on the global-warming hypothesis. The institute’s director, while agreeing to publish his article, also warned Dr. Jaworowski that “this is not the way one gets research projects.” Once published, the institute came under fire, especially since the report soon sold out and was reprinted. Said one prominent critic, “this paper puts the Norsk Polarinstitutt in disrepute.” Although none of the critics faulted Dr. Jaworowski’s science, the institute nevertheless fired him to maintain its access to funding.…..
      link

  42. awfulorv says:

    You may not believe this but there once was a time when we would, could, and did, believe everything our Gov. told us.
    They practiced something called honesty.
    Today they practice obfuscation, coupled with getting elected.
    It will be nice to, once again, be able to take the words of Gov. at face value, and I fully expect this will happen with Republicans in charge, at least, that is my hope.
    Indeed, It is possible that there may be need for some concern over this climate change thing, but who, and what, these lying Gov. agencies have become, causes this reader to not believe what they are stating, and attribute their motives to a hidden agenda they are pushing.
    And that is sad, that one cannot trust their own gov., people who are supposed to work for us, to tell us the truth.

    • Mark Talmont says:

      I think you are confusing the general character of the populace with the elites. The elites have always practiced deceit as a norm. Look up the (uniformly suppressed in academia) scholarship of Antony Sutton regarding the stunning duplicity of the investment bankers who were delighted to do big business with both Stalin and Hitler. More recently we have the blatantly censored revelations of former DOJ attorney John Loftus in his book “America’s Nazi Secret” similarly David Talbot’s book “The Devil’s Chessboard” about the Dulles brothers (which covers some but not all of their war crimes) which has either gone unreviewed or selectively contradicted by the major media.
      In contrast I am reminded of the first-person account related to me by Manhattan Project scientist Leon Leventhal who related how in the early 40s he left an armful of expensive textbooks sitting in the student union building on the Berkeley campus, returned after a weekend to find them left exactly where he had left them.
      Yet even the elites used to have better character. Most of the people who made up the financial world of the WW2 generation really did conduct business in a “conservative” manner and would be horrified to witness what the libertine brats unleashed by the likes of the Clintons and Rubins have done to this country. The Federal Reserve System of that era never had to supervise a “too big to fail” rescue of the people who were supposed to be the “fiduciaries” when that still meant something; now it seems to mean the opportunity to abuse power in as unprecedented a fashion as possible!

      • Gail Combs says:

        Wall Street and The Bolshevik RevolutionPREFACE

        Since the early 1920s, numerous pamphlets and articles, even a few books, have sought to forge a link between “international bankers” and “Bolshevik revolutionaries.” Rarely have these attempts been supported by hard evidence, and never have such attempts been argued within the framework of a scientific methodology….

        Fortunately, the State Department Decimal File, particularly the 861.00 section, contains extensive documentation on the hypothesized link. When the evidence in these official papers is merged with nonofficial evidence from biographies, personal papers, and conventional histories, a truly fascinating story emerges.

        We find there was a link between some New York international bankers and many revolutionaries, including Bolsheviks. These banking gentlemen — who are here identified —had a financial stake in, and were rooting for, the success of the Bolshevik Revolution.

        Congressman McFadden put the Wall Street/ Bolshevik Revolution into the Congressional record. For this he was ousted from Congress. When he still would not shut-up he had three assassination attempts against him and finally he was killed.

  43. Charles says:

    The Climate Change scam treaty has been approved and the first 100 billion dollars is already set to be transferred to third world countries. Within another 5 years, there will be a “reassessment” and the US taxpayer will no doubt be
    hit again. We have been sold out, what is solved by continuing to point out the obvious fraud? The press remains filled with stories of Climate Change “Fear Porn” and I fail to see a reason for it. The Obama administration got everything they wanted. Or is it that they want even more?

    Freedom has taken a real beating already, and this is only the beginning.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Do they want more?
      Yes, They want to up the amount to a trillion a year and they do not want the Prey to realize they are for lunch, revolt and either demand the USA pulls out of the UN and all the various treaties OR repudiates the government/increases the underground economy/ ‘Goes Galt’

      Scams only last as long as the Prey is willing to go along. The Elite rules us only with our blind acceptance. Once awakened the people have been known to retaliate.


      “A rendition of the Defenestration of Prague. The manure pile is not featured.”

      There are already calls to Repudiate the National Debt and do not forget the Iceland example.

      Icelandic Anger Bringing Record Debt Relief

      Icelanders who pelted parliament with rocks in 2009 demanding their leaders and bankers answer for the country’s economic and financial collapse are reaping the benefits of their anger.

      Since the end of 2008, the island’s banks have forgiven loans equivalent to 13 percent of gross domestic product, easing the debt burdens of more than a quarter of the population, according to a report published this month by the Icelandic Financial Services Association….

      Iceland: The broken economy that got out of jail

      …Iceland’s debt repudiation was considerable too. The three largest banks – Landsbanki, Kaupthing and Glitnir – collapsed in autumn 2008. Rather than nationalising them, the government allowed the banks to go into administration. Foreign bondholders lost some of their money and saw the rest of their loans converted to equity. A hard line was also taken with other creditors. Icesave, an online subsidiary of Landsbanki, took deposits from some 400,000 people in the UK and the Netherlands. When it went bust, these depositors were rescued by the Dutch government as well as our own [UK]. Iceland refused to guarantee reimbursement…..

      Iceland: Where Bankers Go to Jail for 74 Years

  44. @notalemming says:

    Reblogged this on YourDaddy's Politics and commented:
    El Nino is responsible for a lot of the warmth this year.
    http://www.weather.com/forecast/national/news/winter-2015-2016-what-to-expect

  45. Robert B says:

    We have the same issues here in Aus. Adelaide just had a record breaking 4 days over 40°C in December, and we hear about it often, but that was for a site in the inner city surrounded by buildings. Before 1979, it was in the park lands surrounding the city centre and on the coastal side of the city centre.

    There were only three days above 40 but 5 days above 39 in 1897 and 4 days in 1898.
    http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=122&p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_startYear=1897&p_c=-106024093&p_stn_num=023000
    The average of those 5 days was 41.0°C while the average for those four record days recently the average was 42.0°C. This is only 1 degree higher (and for only 4 days) for a site that is is in a hotter environment and is measured with an automated weather station that usually records higher maximum temperatures than previously.

    The airport is on the coastal side of the city and a few kilometers closer to the coast. It only had an average for the 4 days of 39.2°C so its quite plausible that if the older measurements were made in similar conditions that an old record of 5 days above 40 from 120 years ago would still stand.

  46. I. Lou Minotti says:

    Merry Christmas, all. The Savior was sent. Nuff said. Ps. 2.

  47. rawheadrex says:

    This demonstrates uniformity of thinking, however incorrect, of the GWA, or as Dorothy would sing:”Somewhere over the brain row…”

  48. Gar Saling says:

    Seems like it is roughly a thirty year cycle. Would be interested to know how warm it was in mid-1920’s.

  49. Robert Grise says:

    I saw some record daily highs were set, but only broke the previous records by 1 to 7 degrees. And as far as I can tell no monthly record highs were set. Washington DC has had mid 70’s temps even in January. I’m in southern Minnesota, with a trace of snow on the ground and the temp at 9 pm was 18. If we had a foot of snow on the ground as we often do, it would 5 above.

  50. Craig Storms says:

    Easy on Drudge … He is on our side ….

  51. aeroguy48 says:

    Merry Christmas to all. And may the New Year bring many more linkages from the Drudge Report. I hope this New Year will bring us a President who doesn’t believe in the global warming scam.

    • Gail Combs says:

      AMEN!

      • James Clark says:

        How come you’ve posted two before me? With an AMEN quote? Global warming scam? Make Trump the president and you’ll rue the day as he is just a worn tool that is lost in the pasture!

        • aeroguy48 says:

          Trump would be Way Better than hiLIERy, James Clark. Trump has said global warming is a scam. Why do you think in this latest crimenibus bill of $1.6 trillion budget did they extend solar and wind subsidies for 5 years. They did it because the establishment was afraid their pig slop from the Feral government would be cut off by Trump.

      • aeroguy48 says:

        I saw you pick up some admirers and fans posting comments on American Thinker Ms. Combs, keep up the great Work and post far and wide. Mr. Heller is doing a good job in alternative media in bringing out the truth. As more people ‘cut the cord’ I hope they will discover what is really going on in our world. Trump/Cruz 2016 to save our country.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Thanks, I am trying to do what I can to get information out. Only by being informed can we defeat the propagandists who would rule us through lies.

    • sean brown says:

      Global climate change isn’t man-made, period.

    • Howard Myers says:

      And another big Amen!

    • Mary says:

      Your ur hope is our hope too. What a scam!

    • Bob Kennedy says:

      Yeah, cause 99% of all climate scientists are wrong and those few scientist who deny climate change are paid by the oil industry, so lets elect a DUMBASS like you for our next president. Im sure that’ll work out just fine for your idiot grandchildren.

  52. Chris says:

    One data point does not dispute a trend. Weather is individual data points, climate is the longterm trend. I’m sorry, but while I find this story interesting, it’s not helpful right now when people are so quick to dismiss the mounting evidence of manmade climate change with one story that cherry picks data.

  53. everett walker says:

    Most Progressive liberal Chicken Little Climate religionists prefer to believe that this christmas breaks all heat records. Most of them were not alive in 1955 so the heat wave that the running dogs of corporate climate change deniers probably just made it up.

  54. Bob says:

    Give me skewed statistics like our Govt, don’t bother me with facts….

  55. sean brown says:

    Manmade Global Warming is a hoax.

  56. stingray1 says:

    They can call this whatever they want as far as I’m concerned. For the last several years I’ve been suffering in the freeze of the northeast, but this year I’m shopping up here in a tee-shirt! If this is Global Warming we shouldn’t be trying to stop it but should rather be finding ways to accelerate it so it’s like this every year! Merry Christmas everyone!
    Thanks for what you do all year long Tony.

  57. johnnyapples says:

    So now we have reverse Climate Change?

  58. Sara says:

    Where did drudge report “record heat”? Nobody would even read your article had drudge not linked to it.

  59. Jim Spriggs says:

    The author says:
    Last winter, the East Coast had record cold. That was ignored because it was “less than 1% of the Earth.” But this week, the Eastern US defines the global climate.

    Linking this year’s eastern U.S. temps over a couple of days to AGW is obviously wrong. However, last winter, it was winter. That’s why a few record-breaking cold temps weren’t such a big deal to those except in the northeast U.S. and parts of Canada. On the other hand, some people who represent the carbon industry did make hay out of last year’s regional record lows:

    Feb 25, 2015
    Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming Claims
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/

    • Gail Combs says:

      WHAT BULL!!! Shell Oil and BP have been in on the CAGW con from day one. Ged Davis Shell Oil VP was lead IPCC author and WROTE Agenda 21 “Sustainable Development (B1)” found in the February, 1998 ClimateGate (1) email 0889554019 Also SEE IPCC Emissions Scenarios

      Shell Oil wants to push natural gas and that is EXACTLY what we see happening.

      ” Net U.S. Power Generation Share by Source, 1949-2012″

      Also the world wide cold events were NOT REPORTED that is all.

      Japan got plastered last winter and the winter before yet not a peep from the US news agencies. See comment above.

      Italy captured the world’s one day snow fall record twice this last winter in March TWICE.
      240cm (7.84 ft) in Pescocostanzo
      256cm (8.34 ft) of snow Capracotta

      10 feet (3 meters) of snow fell on Passolanciano, Majella burying the chairlifts (6 Mar 2015 ) and Record snow fell in Abruzzo, Italy, 5 & 6 Mar 2015

      Not far away, the Greek islands in the Mediterranean were buried under 6½ ft (2 m) of snow in January.

      During Ice age glaciation glaciers form in two main areas, the eastern half of the USA and the western half of Eurasia. (Scotland and Scandinavia) So what happened there?

      In Norway they were forced to remove excessive snow from ski slopes – “During the last two days we’ve got more snow than we had in the last two years together,” says Vegar Sårheim. “I had never believed we would experience this.”

      Almost 300 “snow patches” remained in the Highland mountains in 2014
      (wwwDOT)bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-33581400

      Glacier-like hazards found on Ben Nevis in 2014
      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-28885119

      August 27, 2015 — Massive Increase in Scottish Snow Patches

      For the last three winters:
      2013
      Record cold in Cape Town, South Africa
      Rare snow in Atacama desert
      Brazil – Snow in over 80 cities – Roads and schools closed
      Worst cold spell in 80 years hammers Chile fruit crops
      More than 25 000 animals killed in southern Peru
      “Extraordinary” cold and large snowfall for southern Brazil
      Lao Cai Province [Viet Nam] alone, an unusual snowfall early this week caused an estimated loss of around VND10 billion
      Jerusalem hit by worst snowstorm for TWENTY YEARS as eight inches fall across Holy City
      Wintry blast to hit New Zealand
      July frosts reduce Brazil wheat, coffee
      Tibetan nomads in Ladakh call out for help, Thousands of livestock perish
      first time snow has fallen in the state of Arkansas during the month of May
      Single-day record May snowfalls have likely fallen in Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.
      Blizzard Of 2013 Reaches Top 5 Snowstorms In New England History
      Snow in Malta 2013 -. Malta has experienced just four snowfalls since 1895.
      Rare June snow blankets northwest China.

      2014
      Record snowfall (almost 7 ft) in northern Iran
      Temperatures up to 40 degrees below normal in the [US] High Plains
      Slovenia paralyzed by snow and ice
      Southern Austria on highest avalanche alert after heavy snow – A meter of snow in two days – Valleys and roads cut off
      Serbia – 1,000 evacuated from cars, buses and trains – Snow drifts 3.5 meters high
      Poland – Heavy snowfall and blizzards
      Heavy snowfalls and blizzard hammer southern Romania
      Tibetan nomads in Ladakh call out for help, Thousands of livestock perish
      Brisbane – Vegetable prices expected to soar due to cold snap
      Green Bay made it 49 days with subzero temperatures, the most in a winter. The previous record, 48 days, was set in 1976-77. Just before 4 a.m., the temperature was minus 18, breaking the previous record of minus 17 set in 1962. The mercury continued to fall to minus 21 just before 5 a.m., according to the National Weather Service office in Ashwaubenon.
      Aemi tropical Tokushima, Japan (34.0° N same as South Carolina) has been hit with major snow storms roofs collapsed, at least 8 dead.

      NOVEMBER 2014
      Iran – Snow and blizzards began in early November and still continue
      Turkey – Heavy snowfall knocks out power for 4 days – and still counting
      Russia – Minus 32 degrees and Heavy Snow in Tomsk
      One meter of snow in eastern Turkey
      Buffalo – 30 major roof collapses, 100 minor collapses (SEVEN FEET of snow in one storm)
      Ice on the Mississippi River in Iowa (Nov 20
      DECEMBER 2014
      Heavy snowfall shuts down six highways in China
      Early Winter Storm Hammers Vermont – Power Outages “Unprecedented”
      Heavy snow shuts down Trans Canada Highway east of Quebec City
      Algeria – Heavy snowfall brings complete paralysis of most educational institutions
      Japan – Heavy snowfall kills eight
      Kazakhstan – 530 people rescued from snowdrifts since the beginning of winter
      Heavy snow knocks out power to 10 municipalities in Bulgaria
      Heavy snowfall traps people on the road in Mersin, Turkey
      Austria ice storm – So bad that authorities use tanks to move supplies
      Heavy snowfall continues in Japan
      Six greenhouses collapse under heavy snow in NE China
      Waist-deep snow in China – Most severe snowstorm in years
      Record snowfall in Juneau, Alaska
      Serbia – Ice storm and deep snow – People experiencing mental breakdown after 48 hours without electricity, water and heating
      Austria – Rare ice storm hits Waldviertel
      100,000 Czech travelers stranded due to freezing arctic weather
      Eastern Turkey – Heavy snowfall reduces visibility to 16 feet (5 m)

      All these snow events resulted in Northern Hemisphere snow cover last fall highest ever on record.

      2015
      Canberra’s coldest winter in 15 years
      Bogota, Colombia, covered in 24 inches of snow
      Record snow in Abruzzo, Italy (elevation 36 ft) for about 24 consecutive hours it snowed persistently recording a total accumulation of 1 meter and a half.
      World Record Snowfall in Capracotta, Italy Previous record Silver Lake, Colorado, USA with 75.8 inches
      Greek islands in the Mediterranean buried under 6½ ft (2 m) of snow
      Heavy snowfall causes road closures in Mexico
      A very unusual snowing forced the closure of the Mexico City – Puebla City 150-D highway
      Norway – Forced to remove excessive snow from ski slopes – “During the last two days we’ve got more snow than we had in the last two years together,” says Vegar Sårheim. “I had never believed we would experience this.”

  60. MedicineBowCO says:

    Several inches of snow on the ground and expecting 4-8 inches more with high winds. Even more expected in the high country. Warm? Wouldn’t know about it.

  61. Several inches of snow on the ground and expecting 4-8 inches more with high winds. Even more expected in the high country. Warm? Wouldn’t know about it. Merry Christmas to all from snowy Colorado.

  62. Who was around to explain the palm leave core samples gotten from the drilling for oil at Pt. Barrow Alaska.

  63. Eric M. says:

    Those look like combat infantrymen that Bing was singing to. I didn’t know we had battles up in Vermont in 1940.

  64. It is interesting when “it’s not the warmest, but only the second warmest” is somehow a news item.

  65. patb2009 says:

    “Last winter, the East Coast had record cold.”

    That’s a very unscientific statement. Perhaps if you wish to restate this in precise scientific terms.
    I have no idea what you mean by the above statement.

  66. Jason Lan says:

    Utter hog-wash. The highest temp in S. Burlington VT in December of 1954 was 45f. That was on the 28th. The average temp for the month was 29f.

  67. transrp says:

    I could say lots of stuff: Here are two items. the US comprises 6 million sq miles, while the entire globe is almost 200 million sq miles. Do you really think that this 3% of the globe is an accurate representation of the entire globe? Do you think that one day (1/3 of 1%) is an accurate representation of the average temperature over the entire globe. This makes as much sense as claiming that being able to balance your checkbook makes you some sort of math genius.

    Second point. All you AGW deniers are dumber than trees. Dumber than micro organisms
    http://www.dnusbaum.com/AGWdeniers.html

    • David A says:

      Trans, do not say more, as F.I.M. disease is choking you. This entire post is about how one small part of the 2 percent, on ONE day was FALSELY claimed to be a record.

      • I think transrp had too much eggnog and got a tad disoriented. I think by now he’s back among the organisms with the same advanced reasoning abilities as his own:

      • And who could forget these two advanced specimen?😀

        Bill Nye: “The main thing is, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change got a Nobel Prize! They got a scientific prize for making a discovery! They didn’t get a minor award. This is a big deal! They discovered climate change, through all kinds of evidence!”

        Maddow should repeat one of these séances with Bill Nye and transrp explaining things to their fellow higher organisms. I would watch!
        😀😀😀

    • The US doesn’t accurately represent the entire globe, but the arctic does, right tranny?

        • transrp says:

          The depth of ignorance and stupidity is — Well as einstein said, ““Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

          Clearly not a single person here understands the difference between a data point being part of a pattern, as opposed to an outlier. Yes, it would be nice if there were no outliers cause they really do require some kind of explanation. But contrary to very simple minded people, a single bit of data does not always invalidate a theory. This is especially true if the theory is about large fuzzy systems like environments and climates. Or even relatively simple systems like biological organisms. If a single data point did invalidate a theory , then we would no longer have the germ theory of disease.

          But clearly this level of subtlety is way beyond the mental abilities of almost everyone here. See einstein quote above.

          One more item. Name calling — the rhetorical technique used when a person doing the name calling has neither the logic nor information to make an intelligent argument so needs to use debate techniques that anyone with a triple digit IQ abandoned by 5th grade.

        • transrp says:

          One more item. Name calling — the rhetorical technique used when a person doing the name calling has neither the logic nor information to make an intelligent argument so needs to use debate techniques that anyone with a triple digit IQ abandoned by 5th grade.
          ———-
          Second point. All you AGW deniers are dumber than trees. Dumber than micro organisms.
          😀😀😀

          No go and do a science show with Rachel Maddow and Bill Nye.

          I promise I will watch!😀😀😀

          Hell, I’ll bring the whole family! It will be a gas!

        • Now go, transrp. Run, einstein, run.

        • One more thing, transrp. I totally forgot about your earlier meltdown. I would have thought you wouldn’t want to call anyone’s attention to it. I reckon you think it’s smart to remind everyone. Go figure.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “I could say lots of stuff:”

      And all of it would be meaningless GARBAGE !!!

      That’s all you have ever produced.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Amazing how all that Alarmist Me-toos can do is spew Ad Homs or at best regurgitate Cartoonist SkS talking points and link to the Connellated Wiki pages.

        I am sure most of them could not read a peer- reviewed paper and actually understand it. Instead they just call it ‘Scieny Stuff’ and bloviating. Which is really quite funny given they call us The Anti-Science Climate Denier Caucus or Anti-Science ‘Skeptics’ [who] Are Not Skeptics

        As the Wall Street Journal says:

        Are there any phrases in today’s political lexicon more obnoxious than “the science is settled” and “climate-change deniers”?

        The first is an oxymoron. By definition, science is never settled. It is always subject to change in the light of new evidence. The second phrase is nothing but an ad hominem attack, meant to evoke “Holocaust deniers,” those people who maintain that the Nazi Holocaust is a fiction, ignoring the overwhelming, incontestable evidence that it is a historical fact….

        The phrases are in no way applicable to the science of Earth’s climate. The climate is an enormously complex system, with a very large number of inputs and outputs, many of which we don’t fully understand—and some we may well not even know about yet. To note this, and to observe that there is much contradictory evidence for assertions of a coming global-warming catastrophe, isn’t to “deny” anything….
        http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-unsettling-anti-science-certitude-on-global-warming-1438300982

        That last Ad. Hom.(Anti-Science ‘Skeptics’ [who] Are Not Skeptics) was by a ‘scientist’, a biologist. That he would stoop to the use of Ad Hom INSTEAD of using science say point blank that he isn’t much of a scientist. He is instead, as his article shows a bought and paid for ‘expert wittness’

        Instead of using actual science he uses unjustified analogies.

        …Many climate skeptics contend that the massive scientific consensus [Science isn’t settled by consensus you disgrace to the profession. -gc] on climate change is instead a conspiratorial hoax. [No hoax, we just see a hugh pile of money from politicians buying your ‘expert’ opinion. -cg] Some vaccine refusers believe that health officials knowingly or unknowingly permit vaccine manufacturers to inoculate us with dangerous chemicals.9/11 truthers argue that the attacks on the World Trade Center may have been orchestrated by our own government and covered up by the media. There is no convincing evidence to support any of these theories, but there is quite a lot that debunks them. In short, while these “skeptics” are incredulous to facts, they are incredibly credulous to fairy tales. This makes them some of the least skeptical people on Earth. Blinded by their ingrained, ideological worldviews, all they’re doing is fooling themselves, and denying reality…

        Real Clear Science? No Mister Pomeroy, I do not think so. Real Clear Psych-Ops would be a better title for that blog article. Many of the commenters also see that article for what it is.

    • AndyG55 says:

      The data for UAH USA compared to the only pristine surface data in the world is an almost EXACT TREND MATCH.

      The temperature data extraction methodology of the satellite is ABSOLUTELY VERIFIED.

      There has been NO WARMING for 18+ years,

      and, as EL Ninos are solar and wind forced, there has been NO CO2 warming in the whole satellite record.

    • AndyG55 says:

      So , yet again, the tranny produces NOTHING but a blustering heap of excrement from one of his brain-washed , moronic bletheren.

      Meaningless and empty.. as always.

  68. Gail Combs says:

    Tranny says:
    “….Clearly not a single person here understands the difference between a data point being part of a pattern, as opposed to an outlier. Yes, it would be nice if there were no outliers cause they really do require some kind of explanation. But contrary to very simple minded people, a single bit of data does not always invalidate a theory. This is especially true if the theory is about large fuzzy systems like environments and climates…..”
    …………………………
    And yet the warmists take micro changes of 0.1 or even 0.01 degree C in a yearly global temperature (which is a very unscientific measure of energy to begin with) and blow it all out of proportion. ESPECIALLY when you consider the USA has the best weather station system and 70% of those stations has (error >= 2C)

    Now look at the temperature from 1880 to present adjustments and all:

    The error is twice the size of the ‘trend’

    The Alarmist are making a mountain out of an imaginary mole hill.

    • transrp says:

      You forgot to tell us about your degree in statistics that qualifies you to interpret this data, and to reject the interpretations of those who actually have such degrees. Or is it just that the data is “obvious”. You know… Like it is obvious that the sun goes around the earth, and the earth does not move

      • Keep digging, keep digging …

        Bring more attention to your meltdowns earlier on this thread.😀

        • gator69 says:

          One more item. Name calling — the rhetorical technique used when a person doing the name calling has neither the logic nor information to make an intelligent argument so needs to use debate techniques that anyone with a triple digit IQ abandoned by 5th grade.

          And yet his link was to a site that did nothing but name call. These clowns really are confused, so it only makes sense they would buy into a failed hypothesis.

        • Gail Combs says:

          He is also bring attention to the fact he does not have any understand of error or that NO GRAPH should be presented in a science discussion without error bars.

          As an example of the correct presentation WITH ERROR included I like this graph.

          If ClimAstrologists presented the correct error bars including ALL error on their temperature graphs we would see this whole expensive boondoggle for the idiocy that it is.

        • transrp says:

          What an impressive graph. Somewhere, on some part of the planet, despite more cars, more power generation from coal, more wood being burned, you found a place where CO2 dropped from 380 to 320, or more than 15%. And this is evidence of what, exactly, other than gullibility, or the most extreme case of cherry picking I have ever seen.

        • Jason Calley says:

          “Somewhere, on some part of the planet, despite more cars, more power generation from coal, more wood being burned, you found a place where CO2 dropped from 380 to 320, or more than 15%. ”

          Or maybe CO2 is more variable than we think. Or maybe CO2 is NOT well mixed. Or maybe CO2 does not have as long an atmospheric half life as we think.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Tranny doesn’t even recognize the graph.

          Of course since the alarmist only use cherry picked parts of that graph he wouldn’t.

          The circled values are the cherries that were picked.

        • transrp says:

          Yet, none of the circled points go past 340 ppm, but your graph tops out at very close to 380 ppm. Yet you see no inconsistency.

        • Jason Calley says:

          transrp says: “Yet, none of the circled points go past 340 ppm, but your graph tops out at very close to 380 ppm. Yet you see no inconsistency.”

          I think that the reason why it seems that Gail sees no inconsistency, is that you did not read her comment closely, and no, I am guessing that you do NOT recognize the graph.

        • transrp says:

          You are correct. I did not read carefully. I assumed that anybody with a triple digit IQ would know that CO2 over industrialized land masses are not representative of global CO2 concentrations, and should be ignored. How could I have been so foolish.

          You do know that there is a reason that the preferred place to measure CO2 is the middle of the pacific, away from concentrations caused by industry and vehicles right?

        • Tranny’s so busy measuring his IQ he doesn’t see what’s in front of him:

        • AndyG55 says:

          ROFLMAO.

          Recent actual measurements show that CO2 is pretty well mixed, and the higher concentrations are often away from industrial areas.

          Your 2 digit IQ is not standing up too well, is it.😉

        • transrp says:

          Compared to what. Someone who thought a measurements in the 19th century of PPM over 400 PPM and as high as 550 ppm represented anything close to an accurate measurement of global CO2. Really? But hey, decreasing CO2, even with gigatons of fossil fuel burned fits your paradigm, so go with it. Never mind logic, or measurements. There are invisible pink CO2 eating flying unicorns that can explain the decrease. See, more CO2 means more food more the invisible pink CO2 eating unicorns, so the CO2 levels go down even though more CO2 is produced. Makes sense to … someone

        • Here are his triple digit buddies!😀

        • AndyG55 says:

          “Never mind logic, or measurements.”

          Ah.. the two things you are massively allergic to !!

        • AndyG55 says:

          I very much doubt that Tranny personally knows anyone with a 3 digit IQ !

        • AndyG55 says:

          It has been shown that humans produce about 3% of the atmospheric CO2,

          NATURE does the rest.

          Even a minor fluctuation in NATURAL CO2 would completely wipe out the human released fraction.

        • Gail Combs says:

          (Please excuse the disjointedness of this. I have a migraine headace coming on and can barely see so it is bits and pieces I have gathered without a decent flow between.)
          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          In response to:
          “….I assumed that anybody with a triple digit IQ would know that CO2 over industrialized land masses are not representative of global CO2 concentrations, and should be ignored…..”
          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          So we look at the Barrow ALASKA data for 1947-1948 data gathered by Beck from the historical record and the average is 420 ppm! (average of 330 samples)

          In more recent data you see more than 80 ppm variation in Harvard forest. From 320 ppm to around 420 ppm with a set of outliers to 500 ppm.

          The only reason “official source” data does not have that type of variation is because it is not RAW DATA. And I quote:

          At Mauna Loa we use the following data selection criteria:
          3. There is often a diurnal wind flow pattern on Mauna Loa ….. The upslope air may have CO2 that has been lowered by plants removing CO2 through photosynthesis at lower elevations on the island,…. Hours that are likely affected by local photosynthesis are indicated by a “U” flag in the hourly data file, and by the blue color in Figure 2. The selection to minimize this potential non-background bias takes place as part of step 4. At night the flow is often downslope, bringing background air. However, that air is sometimes contaminated by CO2 emissions from the crater of Mauna Loa. As the air meanders down the slope that situation is characterized by high variability of the CO2 mole fraction…..
          4. In keeping with the requirement that CO2 in background air should be steady, we apply a general “outlier rejection” step, in which we fit a curve to the preliminary daily means for each day calculated from the hours surviving step 1 and 2, and not including times with upslope winds. All hourly averages that are further than two standard deviations, calculated for every day, away from the fitted curve (“outliers”) are rejected. This step is iterated until no more rejections occur…..

          If any data that is not within 2 standard deviations is rejected then of course you will never see swing of 80 ppm, because it has already been edited out of the final “product”

          Beck’s data indicates that the “background” level of CO2 does not exist anywhere:
          i.e. the “background” level is mythical. Indeed, this mythical nature of the “background” level is why Keeling searched for a place where he may be able to discern this “background” level and chose a volcano actively dumping CO2 in the air by an ocean full of plankton buzy sucking it down not to mention the winds traveling between the two. Pick a number any number and I can find it for you….. especialy when I use an IR spectrophotometer that was never validated. (AND believe me I tore my hair out trying to validate that blasted machine for use as an analytical instrument – no such luck.)
          ……………………

          Dr Glassman says

          By losing its long residence time assumption, the Consensus finds its well-mixed conjecture invalidated. The admission in the TAR of CO2 gradients over the globe also contradicts its well-mixed claims. Independently, gradients must exist because of the highly concentrated outgassing of CO2 from equatorial waters, and the balancing concentrated polar uptakes. Consequently, the concentration of CO2 depends on where it is measured. Keeling himself warned not to mix CO2 measurements without regard to sinks and sources. He used calibration techniques to mix records. {Begin rev. 3/14/10} Recent results at 8 km from the AIRS (Atmospheric Infrared Sounder) satellite show dense clouds of CO2 emerging from below. This should be just one more nail in the coffin for the well-mixed/long-lived assumption. See RSJ response to James Daniel, 6/17/09, IPCC’s Fatal Errors ; RSJ response to David, 8/24/08, The Acquittal of Carbon Dioxide . {End rev. 3/14/10}.
          http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2007/06/on_why_co2_is_known_not_to_hav.html#more

          The well mixed and Mankind is responsible canard is based on a very long CO2 residence time in the atmosphere. That has been found to be invalid as Dr Glassman mentions.

          In a paper recently published in the international peer-reviewed journal Energy & Fuels, Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh (2009), Professor of Energy Conversion at The Ohio State University, addresses the residence time (RT) of anthropogenic CO2 in the air. He finds that the RT for bulk atmospheric CO2, the molecule 12CO2, is ~5 years, in good agreement with other cited sources (Segalstad, 1998), while the RT for the trace molecule 14CO2 is ~16 years. Both of these residence times are much shorter than what is claimed by the IPCC. The rising concentration of atmospheric CO2 in the last century is not consistent with supply from anthropogenic sources. Such anthropogenic sources account for less than 5% of the present atmosphere, compared to the major input/output from natural sources (~95%). Hence, anthropogenic CO2 is too small to be a significant or relevant factor in the global warming process, particularly when comparing with the far more potent greenhouse gas water vapor. The rising atmospheric CO2 is the outcome of rising temperature rather than vice versa. Correspondingly, Dr. Essenhigh concludes that the politically driven target of capture and sequestration of carbon from combustion sources would be a major and pointless waste of physical and financial resources.
          ———————————————

          Essenhigh (2009) points out that the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) in their first report (Houghton et al., 1990) gives an atmospheric CO2 residence time (lifetime) of 50-200 years [as a “rough estimate”]. This estimate is confusingly given as an adjustment time for a scenario with a given anthropogenic CO2 input, and ignores natural (sea and vegetation) CO2 flux rates. Such estimates are analytically invalid; and they are in conflict with the more correct explanation given elsewhere in the same IPCC report: “This means that on average it takes only a few years before a CO2 molecule in the atmosphere is taken up by plants or dissolved in the ocean”….
          http://www.co2science.org/articles/V12/N31/EDIT.php

          On top of that the annual flow of carbon into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels is less than 0.02% of the carbon flowing around the carbon cycle. (NASA provides an estimate that the carbon in the ground as fossil fuels is 5,000 GtC and humans are transferring it to the carbon cycle at a rate of ~7 GtC per year.)

          Is it not obvious that so small an addition to the carbon cycle is Absolutely certain to disrupt the system because no other activity in nature is so constant that it only varies by less than +/- 0.02% per year? /sarc

        • gator69 says:

          When I was a climatology student, CO2 residency was known to be @ 7 years. The IPCC and their alarmist idiots have done their best to bastardize real settled science…

          If this isn’t fraud, I don’t know what is.

        • transrp says:

          I get to touch on a couple of things here: By the way, I should say that I am grateful. There are actually some ideas and data put forth here that are not obviously wrong, and I am digesting them to get a full and clear understanding of the depth and breadth of their wrongness so I can respond. But this one is easy.

          First a note on the accusation that I complain about name calling and then refer visitors here to my article which someone claims is nothing but name calling. My article is not about name calling, and let me explain, though few here will understand. If I were to accuse someone here of being an ignorant foolish psychopathic pedophile, then that would be name calling since I have said that X is (names) and given no standards of how one measures those names, or supporting evidence.

          In my article http://www.dnusbaum.com/AGWdeniers.html. I give a definition of various words like intelligence and stupid. These standards include metrics that are easily verified. I then give references about how, by these standards, animals are aware of global warming and are acting accordingly in order to improve their chances of survival. Of course, almost all the plants and animals on the planet may be wrong. However, it is seldom a good idea to bet against the observed behavior of the entire ecology of the planet. But that is what stupid people do.

          Now about this article. I have no idea when gator69 was a climatology student, or if he passed the course. But one error is obvious in his graph. Quite often scientists get more accurate measurement, and learn new stuff. Comparing recent measurements (2007) with other measurements, almost all of which are at least 25 years old, and then simply stating that the most recent measurement is wrong without offering any evidence or reasons for why the most recent measurement is wrong is simply poor science.

          CO2 does not just go away. It takes a lot of energy to break up a CO2 molecule. In fact, the heat of formation of CO2 is 40% greater than that of water. So, without some sort of energetic reaction, CO2 is going nowhere. Here is a more detailed explanation of why Gator69 is totally wrong. https://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-residence-time.htm. I would like to add, that just because someone does not understand an argument, does not mean that the person or people putitng forth the argument are stupid, or dishonest. It may just mean that the person not understanding the argument is not nearly as smart as they think that they are, and/or are suffering from dunning Kruger syndrome.

          Now, some have argued that humans only contribute about 10% so that they can not possibly be causing any problem. Yea… Consider this statement. John consumes 2000 calories a day, and weighs 180 lbs. He has changed his diet, because he discovered Ben and Jerries /death By chocolate ice cream, and is not eating 2200 calories. Heck, lets be generous and say that he is eating 2150 calories. He still has the same amount of physical activity. Are you going to actually claim that at the end of a year, having consumed an extra 54000 calories that John has not going to have gained any weight? That at the end of 10 years, with that extra intake are you going to claim that John will not be seriously obese?

          Well you say, maybe he started being more active and thus consuming more calories. Great. What, exactly, is the analogy for Earth and CO2? Is the earth getting 10% more plants every year? 10% more algae or 10% more trees>? Where are they?

          You are like people, who for hundreds of generations, since there were cities, believed that you could dump shit in the street, or the nearby stream, and that because when you lived in a village, that was not a problem, then it is still not a problem when you live in a community in excess of 100,000. And we know how that works out don’t we? And because most people are (made by evolution to be) stupid, you keep repeating the same errors on ever grander scales.

          And if that CO2 is not significant, then why is the ocean becoming more acidic? Oh wait. That is just another set of lies. The entire world is made up of stupid liars. Only you, and a few fossil fuel companies (Not even most any more — most fossil fuel companies, having a time frame of more than next year, are realizing that if they want to stay profitable over a time span of a decade, and, perhaps, leave their children a habitable planet, need to deal with global warming — Not climate change, a term fabricated by AGW deniers and republicans, but global warming) Yes, Fossil fuel executives are greedy lying psychopaths, but when the evidence becomes overwhelming and they can see that their AC mansions will not be nough to insulate them from the consequences of a planet wide failure, that they must change.

          http://news.yahoo.com/ten-big-energy-firms-vow-fight-climate-change-004820526.html

          Have you noticed than when any scientist or company or person changes sides in this debate they are moving away from your side? Probably because of the international Jewish Banking conspiracy.

        • Gail Combs says:

          gator,
          I have yet to find ONE part of the Global Warming crap that is not out right fraud. The Progressive Elite have corrupted just about every branch of science. Honesty and the scientific method are dead and we all will suffer as a result.

          Scientific fraud and the power structure of science

          ABSTRACT: In the routine practice of scientific research, there are many types of misrepresentation and bias which could be considered dubious. However, only a few narrowly defined behaviours are singled out and castigated as scientific fraud. A narrow definition of scientific fraud is convenient to the groups in society — scientific elites, and powerful government and corporate interests — that have the dominant influence on priorities in science. Several prominent Australian cases illustrate how the denunciation of fraud helps to paint the rest of scientific behaviour as blameless.

          Ask most scientists about scientific fraud and they will readily tell you what it is….

          That is the usual picture, anyway, for public consumption. Probe a bit more deeply into scientific activities, and you will find that fraud is neither clear-cut nor rare. Stories abound of the stealing of credit for ideas. They range from the PhD supervisor who published his student’s work under his own name, to the top scientist who, as a referee, delayed publication of a rival’s work in order to obtain full credit for it himself — including a Nobel Prize. There are also stories of various other forms of cheating.

          The actual practice of science is a complex business. There are intricate experiments, with continual changes of equipment, protocols and procedural details. There are all sorts of measurements, with much more potential data thrown away than saved. There are pages of theoretical calculations thrown away for every equation published….

          out of the many things that scientists do, they attach meaning only to some things, which they call ‘doing science’ or ‘applying the scientific method’ [1]. The same applies to fraud. Fraud is what scientists tell each other is fraud.

          This raises the question, why are certain things called fraud and others not? My general answer is that the social definition of fraud is one which is convenient to most of the powerful groups associated with science. This includes government and corporate sponsors of scientific research, and the scientific community itself, especially scientific elites.

          My argument proceeds this way. A host of things go on in scientific research that could be open to suspicion. Some of these are accepted as standard practice, others are tolerated, and some are considered unacceptable. Why? There are a number of reasons, but here the focus is on the power structure of science, namely the interest groups that fund science and reap disproportionate benefits from it.….

          The paper then goes into the accepted practice of Fraud.

          This paper deals with concrete examples where the FDA looks the other way on fraudulent medical papers.
          Research Misconduct Identified by the US Food and Drug Administration: Out of Sight, Out of Mind,

          …Results
          Fifty-seven published clinical trials were identified for which an FDA inspection of a trial site had found significant evidence of 1 or more of the following problems:
          falsification or submission of false information, 22 trials (39%);
          problems with adverse events reporting, 14 trials (25%);
          protocol violations, 42 trials (74%);
          inadequate or inaccurate recordkeeping, 35 trials (61%);
          failure to protect the safety of patients and/or issues with oversight or informed consent, 30 trials (53%);
          and violations not otherwise categorized, 20 trials (35%).
          Only 3 of the 78 publications (4%) that resulted from trials in which the FDA found significant violations mentioned the objectionable conditions or practices found during the inspection. No corrections, retractions, expressions of concern, or other comments acknowledging the key issues identified by the inspection were subsequently published.

          Conclusions and Relevance
          When the FDA finds significant departures from good clinical practice, those findings are seldom reflected in the peer-reviewed literature, even when there is evidence of data fabrication or other forms of research misconduct….

        • AndyG55 says:

          Wow, trancer has really been on the “whatever he takes” this time.

          That would have to be one of the most incoherent loads of unscientific garbage even he has ever produced.

          He provides us with a new definition of STUPID, based solely on his ramblings.

        • AndyG55 says:

          That first link from the trancer, appears to have been written by a scientifically illiterate low-IQ 15 year old. Seriously , what a meaningless load of incoherent nonsense.

        • Transrp says:
          —–

          ”Second point. All you AGW deniers are dumber than trees. Dumber than micro organisms.”

          ”One more item. Name calling — the rhetorical technique used when a person doing the name calling has neither the logic nor information to make an intelligent argument so needs to use debate techniques that anyone with a triple digit IQ abandoned by 5th grade.”

          —–

          “First a note on the accusation that I complain about name calling …”

          —–
          Accusation? Heh. Who’s accusing you? You make it easy. Just quoting your own words.😀

          Wiggle, little wormy, wiggle. And write us another treatise on name calling.😀

          You are not really good at this, are you?

        • gator69 says:

          Actually tranny, when one finds that a single measurement is well outside of all other measurements, it is considered a red herring and discarded. But zealots will discard the majority to find a singular red herring measurement or explanation to fit their narrative, Zealots will also refer to a cartoonist’s blogs, and their own rantings of proof of whatever they want to support. Do me one little favor tranny…

          1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

          2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

          There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

        • Gator, I assume that our resident transrational prophet is now searching his own writings and assorted cartoonist literature for the correct answers. I’m sure that having heard of Dunning–Kruger he will be very careful to match the complexity of the materials to his own cognitive ability.

        • gator69 says:

          It is amusing to note that some folks think that redefining terms actually alters physics. PsyopsicalScience sure does reel them in…

      • Gail Combs says:

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  69. Gail Combs says:

    Andy, This is really over the top!!! He really must think we are brain dead.

    “….CO2 does not just go away. It takes a lot of energy to break up a CO2 molecule. In fact, the heat of formation of CO2 is 40% greater than that of water. So, without some sort of energetic reaction, CO2 is going nowhere….”

    WTF??? Is this guy that uneducated???

    CO2 + H2O + photons –> CH2O + O2
    ( photo wavelength between 300 nm and 700 nm)
    PHOTOSYNTHESIS

    CO2 + rain water (H2O) ====> Carbonic acid
    H2O+CO2 ===>H2CO3

    This VERY VERY common reaction is why rain water is acidic. It is why distilled water is acidic and it is why a lot of the USA, Europe China, South America, Africa… is hollow. (Has limestone and marble caves)

    WATCH my “CO2 Experiment”. This video shows that a candle floating on water, burning in the air inside a glass, converts the oxygen in the air to CO2. The water rises in the glass because the CO2, which replaced the oxygen, is quickly dissolved in the water. The water contains calcium ions Ca++, because we initially dissolved calcium hydroxide Ca(OH)2 in the water. The CO2 produced during oxygen burning reacts with the calcium ions to produce solid calcium carbonate CaCO3, which is easily visible as a whitening of the water when we switch on a flashlight. This little kitchen experiment demonstrates the inorganic carbon cycle in nature. The oceans take out our anthropogenic CO2 gas by quickly dissolving it as bicarbonate HCO3-, which in turn forms solid calcium carbonate either organically in calcareous organisms or precipitates inorganically. The CaCO3 is precipitating and not dissolving during this process, because buffering in the ocean maintains a stable pH around 8. We also see that CO2 reacts very fast with the water, contrary to the claim by the IPCC that it takes 50 – 200 years for this to happen.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Doesn’t this guy understand that his body is composed of CO2 + H2O(water) + a bit of N2 (nitrogen) and a sprinkling of minerals CA, Na, K (and even chlorine and arsenic)???

      What the heck type of crap are they teaching these days?

      • AndyG55 says:

        “CO2 + H2O + photons –> CH2O + O2
        ( photo wavelength between 300 nm and 700 nm)
        PHOTOSYNTHESIS”

        Yep, and the land biosphere is increasing quite significantly. Using that CO2 for LIFE.

        One can only imagine what the ocean biosphere is thinking about actually having some small amount of available CO2 for a change !!

    • AndyG55 says:

      “WTF??? Is this guy that uneducated???”

      Every post he makes certainly proves that, yes, he REALLY IS that UNEDUCATED.

      • Gail Combs says:

        And they call us ‘science deniers’ Projecting*** much?

        ***Psychological projection, also known as blame shifting, is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.

        • AndyG55 says:

          https://disqus.com/by/dougnusbaum/

          Meet the trancer… a certifiable nutter !!

        • transrp says:

          Hey Andy. Specifically, for which of my statements can you provide information to show that it is wrong?

        • AndyG55 says:

          You don’t make any rational statements. Just aimless ranting.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Biosphere has expanded measurably over the last few decades as the level of available atmospheric CO2 increases.

          http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/17/another-benefit-of-climate-change-and-increased-co2-trees-continue-to-grow-at-a-faster-rate/

        • transrp says:

          Yes … Forrests in some places are growing faster. Like where there is sufficient water. But if you have droughts, or droughts followed by floods which wash away the soil, you get this:
          http://www.salon.com/2015/08/17/california_droughts_dangerous_toll_millions_of_dying_trees_are_putting_human_lives_at_risk/

          the question is, what is the situation globally? Which you did not address. Turns out that globally they are doing better. (You were to lazy to bother to look —- right??) But then you have to look to the future.
          http://phys.org/news/2015-12-amazon-rainforests-transition-savannah-like-states.html#nRlv

          It is so nice that you just assume that you can change the entire global eco system at one of the fastest rates ever and expect that everything will be OK. You may be right, but that is not where most of the money is being bet.

        • Gail Combs says:

          #1. MORE CO2 not only makes C3 plants more drought resistant it also make C4 plants more drought resistant.
          Effects of Elevated CO2 and Water Stress on a C4 Grass

          ….when water-stressed conditions prevailed, due to either a high VPD, low field capacities of 65 or 80%, or combinations of both parameters, elevated CO2 caused large significant increases in growth….

          Such increases in growth resulted, in part, from the ability of elevated CO2 to ameliorate the negative effects of water stress on growth. Under the most extreme water-stressed condition, for example, leaf water potential values were about 3.5 times more negative, i.e., more stressful, for plants grown in air of 350 ppm CO2 than for plants grown in air of 1000 ppm. Moreover, transpirational water loss was always less for plants grown in elevated CO2. In fact, for the most water-stressed condition, which resulted from a high VPD and a field capacity of 65%, plants grown in ambient CO2 exhibited transpiration rates that were about 2.5 times greater than those observed for plants grown in elevated CO2. Thus, elevated CO2 increased dry matter production of water-stressed plants and reduced their water losses via transpiration, causing dramatic increases in their water-use efficiency, which increased when the water content of the soil was low or when the VPD of the air was high, relative to ideal conditions….

        • transrp says:

          I am sure that the trees in Ca, and the farmers dealing with drought in the SW US and other parts of the world will be happy to know this.

        • Gail Combs says:

          #2. According to CAGW conjecture. more CO2 ==> temp rise ===> more evaporation and more water vapor in the air. Since water will eventually come out of the air you get rain (or as the Alarmst are now trying to tell us more snow) therefore less drought.

          We can look in the past and see the results of an increase in temperature.
          From the Peer-reviewed paper Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic (2010)

          Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present.”
          climate(DOT)envsci.rutgers.edu/robock/MillerArctic.pdf

          Here is Africa at Wisconsin Glacial Maximum

          Over half of the Africa is desert.

          Africa at present

          About 1/3 is desert.

          Africa 9,000 14C y.a. (about 10,000 ‘real’ years ago) when the Arctic was about ” 1-3°C above 20th century averages”

          Hardly any extreme desert at all and just a small band of semi-desert.

        • transrp says:

          Excellent bit of information Gail. To the extent that it may be problematic it is because models, and I am aware that they are only models, predict that increased precipitation will tend to follow a pattern of places that now get some will get more, and those that tend to get less, will get even less.

          Frankly, I am not convinced, though so far that seems to be the case. Viz, our east coast is getting a lot more rain, and the southwest and west are getting less. I also question your maps since I do not notice any but the smallest changes in coastlines and given the changes in sea levels, one would expect to see more. As you can see: http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Special:SeaLevel Those changes in Sea level should have taken out part of Sinai, or at least removed the need for a canal.

          Also, even if you are correct, and that more land becomes wetter, there is the fact that a large percentage of the worlds population lives near the sea, some in major cities. There will be large population movements. rivers will flood (See what is happening to the Mississippi this year) Here is an article from one of those lying conspiracy magazines. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/deadly-heat-waves-flooding-rains-crop-failures-among-climate-change-plagues-already-afflicting-americans/. In any case, crops are now grown where they are “best fit”. That will change. And unlike in previous times when the changes took place over millennia, these changes will happen over generations.

          A mess, no matter how you look at it. Pretending that it is not going to happen, is probably not the best course of action.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “Turns out that globally they are doing better. ”

          Yes they are.

          And a future “could” based on meaningless climate projections from models which have been shown to be a total farce… seriously.

          Methinks you have been living on a mix of climate kool-aide and eggnog for most of the last few years, and it has certainly had an adverse effect on your already stunted rational thinking abilities.

    • AndyG55 says:

      If CO2 does not just “go away” (to use Doug’s moronic science speak) he needs to explain this

      and this….

      • transrp says:

        Actually Andy — I do not need to explain “this”. Anyone with a triple digit IQ would understant that I am referring to time frames in the hundreds or thousands of years. Over millions of years anything is possible. If you were to live that long, you might even grow a brain

        • AndyG55 says:

          “If you were to live that long, you might even grow a brain”

          You.. no chance. !!

          You obviously have ZERO comprehension of anything to do with the carbon cycle.

          Keep up your wilful ignorance, and your attempts to show you have something more than a single figure IQ…. its funny. 🙂

      • Andy,

        Do you know why transrp keeps bringing up his intelligence? Is this triple digit IQ thing a sore point for him or a matter of pride?

  70. Gail Combs says:

    OH, and this is another very funny quote from our Learned Task Master:

    “Now consider Global warming. A search of the internet will quickly demonstrate that the vast majority of species on the planet are moving to the poles, or are moving, if they can, to higher elevations.”

    GEE, I moved SOUTH to mid North Carolina from New England and we actually saw a Snow Owl last year.
    Snowy Owl Range

    And then there was the Siberian Swans that showed up in the UK the earliest ever recorded:
    The arrival of winter, traditionally heralded by the migration of Siberian swans, has come early as 300 birds flock to Britain

    Each year around 300 Bewick’s swans migrate 2,500 miles from Arctic Russia to escape the approaching cold weather which follows closely behind them.

    They flock to the Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust reserve at Slimbridge, Glos, where their arrival has been recorded since 1963.

    The first bird arrived on Sunday – a full 25 days earlier than last year and the earliest date on record.

    It coincided with the first frosts of the autumn in the area and experts say its early return could be a sign of a long, hard winter ahead. …

    Of course since biologists are PAID to find evidence of species moving north they do…

    The past decade had the snowiest winters (December-February) on record.

    September Snow Cover Was Highest On Record In North America in 2014

    The Great Lakes obliterated all records for springtime ice last year, and this year.

    On March 1, 2014 the Great Lakes were approaching 100% Ice Cover – For The First Time On Record, only Lake Ontario was the only major holdout

    March 3, 2015: Great Lakes ice cover over 88%, more than last year

    The number of snowpatches remaining in late summer in scotland has gone through the roof.

    But that is OK the Alarmist will continue to shout “Warmist Year EVAH!

    • transrp says:

      All of these instances can be explained as being caused by global warming, or as being freakish outliers. I will take the simplest, easiest to explain, and the one that needs no research. Even then, I expect that most of you will not get it.

      The situation is GLOBAL warming. The globe includes that 66?% of the surface that is ocean. When the ocean warms, more moisture goes into the atmosphere. It does not stay there. No, that moisture comes back down. In the winter it comes down as snow. That is right. Even if the average temperature in winter goes up by a couple of degrees F over the course of 100 years (see this picture — http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2015/30yearsofabo.png) and http://www.climatecentral.org/news/winters-are-warming-all-across-the-us-15590 what comes down will be snow, that simply means that average temperatures in a place like Wisconsin will be — and I am just guessing — 27 degrees, rather than 25 degrees. At 27 degrees it still snows in the winter. It does not rain. Hence more snow in the winter is evidence of global warming.

      And I am sure that none of you will understand this. This probably also explains the great lakes freezing. And I am just guessing here… See — Ice and snow are big carriers of what can be called negative heat. All that snow cools the lakes enough so that even though the ambient air temp is a bit warmer, since that temp is still below freezing, less heat has to leave the water for it to freeze. Here is a fun experiment you can do. Take two glasses of water. at room temp. But an ice cube in one of them. Let it melt. Put both into the freezer. Guess which one will freeze over first.

      • AndyG55 says:

        NO the USA is not warming.. USCRN says its NOT warming.

        UAH says its NOT WARMING.

        You either have INCORRECT information or are DELIBERATELY LYING.

        There is NOTHING happening with the world’s climate that is outside the boundaries of NATURAL VARIABILITY.

        And you still are totally unable to produce one single paper that shows that there is.

        Get off the meds and let your brain settle down to some sort of rational thought, Doug.

        You are making a rancid fool of yourself.

        • transrp says:

          Straw man argument. I did not say anything about temp trends in the US other than, even if it gets warmer, that it will still be cold enough to snow in the winter in the north.

          No single scientist has ever claimed that global climate is outside the boundaries of natural variability. That is a stupid argument to make, and is one made by stupid people. Katrina, was not outside of Natural Variability. By your logic, costal cities should not prepare extreme weather that will probably become more common,. In fact, such storms are already more common across the globe.

          As for your graph. Again, probably something that you made up, or got from WUWT. They love to make up things. Try this instead: http://www.climatecentral.org/wgts/heat-is-on/HeatIsOnReport.pdf, and this: http://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-heat-is-on

          As to your “pause”. Have fun with his picture: https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/inline_all/public/GlobalTemps_WarmestYears_2015_610.png?itok=muVpIYHV

          and this: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/28/feeling-a-little-warm-this-year-2015-will-set-a-record.html

        • AndyG55 says:

          So, you agree that all the recent weather is within natural variability.

          Thank you. !

          If you had the ability , you could do that graph yourself.

          But that is your problem.. you DON’T have the ability.

          You have to rely totally on the paid propaganda monkeys because you don’t have the capability to actually check anything against real data.

        • AndyG55 says:

          As for your first graph.. roflmao.

          No continuity from year to year.. the LIEs and FABRICATION writ large for all to see.

        • AndyG55 says:

          And really “climate central” the paid propaganda site for the AGW scam.. and CNBC far left warm-mongers.

          Real unadjusted, unfabricated data shows that 2015 WAS NOT the warmest in any way.

          Its only the massively adjusted and fabricated (nearly 50% is now “estimated”) of the NCDC/NOAA farce that 2015 is any warmer. Its a LIE.. but its all you have.

        • transrp says:

          Its only the massively adjusted and fabricated (nearly 50% is now “estimated”) of the NCDC/NOAA farce that 2015 is any warmer. Its a LIE.. but its all you have.

          Yep… And now we get to the core of your argument. It is that 90+% of climatologists, almost all businesses, insurance companies, the pope, Mos of the smartest and richest people in the world, at least 20% of the petroleum companies, the defense dept, and almost everyone associated with them are not simply wrong. No, they are part of a vast global conspiracy and are dishonest.

          Have you ever thought that you need to keep those thoughts to yourself, or else “THEY” are going to come and take you away and lock you in a padded room?

        • Latitude says:

          No single scientist has ever claimed that global climate is outside the boundaries of natural variability.
          ====
          maybe not singly…but they have collectively

          NOAA says that climate models can not predict the current changes…without factoring in made man CO2 forcing.

          “It is very unlikely that the 20th-century warming can be
          explained by natural causes”
          “The human influence on climate very likely dominates over all other
          causes of change in global average surface temperature during
          the past half century. “

        • AndyG55 says:

          And of course USCRN (you know, pristine data) and ClimDiv…

          Both show essentially ZERO USA WARMING

          But don’t let REAL DATA kick you up the arse end on the way out, you mathematically illiterate putz.

        • transrp says:

          Oh goody. More unsourced hand made images. Used to support whatever you want to say. And we all believe because you are the one true source of all knowledge.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Oh dear , poor Doug is on another medically induced rant.

          REAL DATA stings you, doesn’t it Doug. 😉

          Anyone can check that a large percentage of the NOAA/NCDC data is fabricated.

          Even you could do it if you had got past junior high school.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Again.. If you had even a basic intelligence, you could verify my graphs.

          But you DON’T, do you.. and that hurts your baseless ego so very much.

        • Latitude says:

          transrp says: cojoining climate change and man caused climate change…

          …I know, it’s tricky like that

        • Latitude says:

          transrp says:
          January 2, 2016 at 12:34 am
          Oh goody. More unsourced hand made images.
          ====
          psst….hint: put USCRN in google images

        • AndyG55 says:

          Poor Doug.

          His lack of research or any mathematical ability is catching up with him.

          Doug.. Go and find the USCRN and ClimDiv data since 2005.

          Download it, graph it and put a linear trend line on the graph.

          Its very basic junior high stuff. Can you at least TRY !!!!!

        • transrp says:

          When I see something that supports my position, I copy and paste. If what you had was real, you would do the same. I am mnot wasting any more of my time chasing your fakes.

        • AndyG55 says:

          ROFLMAO..

          You have just made a MONUMENTAL GOOSE of yourself.

          You have shown that you are only interesting in propaganda LIES that suit your brain-washing.

          You have shown that you lack neither the inclination, intelligence , or capability to do any thinking or research of your own.

          You are a JOKE !!!

        • AndyG55 says:

          Here’s a couple more USCRN graphs, just for Doug.

          Not quite as up to date as mine is, though. 😉

          You really should at least TRY, Doug.

        • transrp says:

          I really like the last graph that you created. The addition of a kind of watermark is a nice touch. What program did you use?

        • Latitude says:

          transrp says:
          January 2, 2016 at 12:44 am When I see something that supports my position, I copy and paste. If what you had was real, you would do the same. I am mnot wasting any more of my time chasing your fakes.
          ===
          putting USCRN in goggle images is above your pay scale huh

        • AndyG55 says:

          Oh boy.. you really have been on the turps , haven’t you, trancer

          You seem to be TOTALLY INCAPABLE of even the simplest image search.

          So hilariously FUNNY to watch you slipping an sliming your way out of your position of total ignorance.

      • AndyG55 says:

        “and the one that needs no research. ”

        Yes, it is VERY OBVIOUS that you have done NO research.

        You are monumentally wrong… ALWAYS. !

      • AndyG55 says:

        Now explain why summers in the USA have been getting COOLER. !!

        • AndyG55 says:

          WHOOPS.. Wrong columns.. that’s for Australian winter..

          Better fix things.. and show the WINTER COOLING in the USA..

          Again.. the REAL DATA is contrary to Doug’s ravings.

          Winters are COOLING in the contiguous USA.

        • transrp says:

          Thats an easy one. You probably turned the graph upside down:

          I could not find the source of your graph. Maybe you just made it up. I tried various combinations of USA48 DJF average UAH. No luck. well unless you think that WUWT to be a reliable site. But like you they kind of make things up, lie, etc.

          Again … what is the source of your graph? And why is it better than mine?

        • Latitude says:

          transrp….your chart is from Climate Central

          Here, here’s NOAA

        • Jason Calley says:

          Looks like there is no warming trend for the US if you look at century time scales. But there is a small warming trend on a last 45 years scale. But a cooling trend when looking at the last 15 or 20 years.

          I find it difficult to be concerned about a trend that is so weak that you can get sign changes by just shifting your data window a decade or two.

        • Latitude says:

          …and there’s the elephant in the room
          Global warming is supposed to increase winter temps in higher latitudes.
          The U.S. is higher latitude…and there’s the winter temp trend

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I tried various combinations of USA48 DJF average UAH. No luck”

          Again, Doug admits his incompetence. But do keep trying, Doug.

          Eventually, in about 10-15 years, you may get there. !!

        • transrp says:

          But do keep trying, Doug.

          Eventually, in about 10-15 years, you may get there. !!

          Not likely. that is, I am not likely to find a actual source from an actual sciency place. Your image comes from a place were anybody can post anything. In other words, you make crap. Put the crap on this self posting site, then say — hey, look — CRAP!!!

        • AndyG55 says:

          Poor Doug, it is not up to me to teach you basic data analysis.

          That is something you should have learnt in high school.

          A bit late for you now though, senile dementia setting in and all.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Poor Doug. still unable to verify anything himself.

          Must suck for him to be sooooooo mathematically illiterate.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I am not likely to find a actual source from an actual sciency place.”

          Poor Doug.. you could at least try to find the REAL DATA and analyse it yourself.

          Oh wait.. YOU CAN’T, can you.

          Incompetent, by your own admission.

        • AndyG55 says:

          The December update for USCRN and ClimDiv is due on 7th January.

          I’ll update my graphs and trends then.

          ( just for you Doug…… because I know you can’t manage it yourself.) 😉

        • AndyG55 says:

          @ Jason.

          Since the end of the 2000, USA48 Winter trend is basically dead flat (as shown)

          Spring and Summer are very slightly positive, Autumn is basically flat.

          Overall, its basically dead flat in USCRN (since 2005) and UAH48, and very slightly negative in RSS USA and ClimDiv (since 2005).

          Again, anyone can get access to the data for all four sets, and with a bit of simple analysis can verify these statements.

        • AndyG55 says:

          And Trancer Doug,
          … if you want to verify my results, you will need to go and find an average intelligence junior high school student to help you.

      • Latitude says:

        transrp….you do realize that global warming is on the bottom of everyone’s “don’t give a shit” list…..

        • That and the lost North Pole ice that global warming just completely melted in North Pole, AK is what causes his pain and suffering.

        • Gail Combs says:

          AND while scientists lie, or at least get the results they are paid to get — SEE: PEER REVIEWED PAPER: Scientific fraud and the power structure of science

          ICE AND SNOW does not lie and snow is increasing in the NH and sea ice in the SH, yet we are not much past the solar cycle 24 Maximum

          Arctic sea ice has not increase because of a positive NAO/gulf stream but soon will when the AMO flips to negative. (2009 was the last solar minimum and if you bother to look you can see it on the following NH snow charts. Cycle 23 was not a strong cycle.)

          Northern Hemisphere SNOW from NOAA
          October (2015)

          November (2015)

          December (2014)

          January(2014)

          February (2014)

        • transrp says:

          I explained how GW will lead to an increase in snow cover. I stated that you would not understand it. I made a prediction. You confirmed my prediction.

        • Latitude says:

          be careful with predictions….especially about snow

          “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” Dr. David Viner

          “you can argue that may be our projection of [an ice-free Arctic by 2013] is already too conservative.” Wieslaw Maslowsk

        • David A says:

          Trans, you explained nothing. You made a child’s theory, more heat equals more rain, equals more snow in areas that are well below 32 f anyway.

          However that is not what OBSERVATIONS show. They show a greater percentage of NH land snow covered. Understand this child’s observational fact. That means that southern latitudes, where W/V usually falls as rain, has been falling as snow. Kapesh?

          In truth there was not more percepitation, it was just colder. The precipitation records prove this. Also see the great Lakes ice cover for instance. This is not the result of anything but cold, and certainly not the result of warming.

          Global precipitation is not increasing, and if it was increasing due to greater warmth, then the percentage of land under snow would decrease. Instead it is, contrary to CAGW alarmist predictions, increasing.

          Never had any theory made so many predictions, and gotten so much wrong. No increase in extreme storms, floods, droughts, hurricanes (see global hurricane basin ACE numbers) sea level rise, global sea ice trends are dead flat, and all KNOWN stand proven benefits of CO2 are manifesting in global observations; crop yields, greening of aird expanses, accelerated tree growth etc, etc.

          CAGW, as a scientific theory is dead, as a politically expedient means of power centralisation, it is, unfortunately still alive.

  71. Gail Combs says:

    What you refuse to understand is how glaciation starts.

    FIRST – low solar insolation at 60 degrees North in June

    The PEER Reviewed paper, Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? gives the calculated solar insolation values @ 65N on June 22 for several glacial inceptions:

    Current value – insolation = 479W m−2 (from that paper)

    MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m−2,
    MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m−2,
    MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m−2,
    MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m−2,
    MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m−2

    (Changes near the north polar area, about 65 degrees North, are considered important due to the great amount of land.)

    So the present solar insolation is in the correct ballpark for glacial inception.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    SECOND – Where does glaciation start?

    Glaciation starts in Hudson Bay

    Hudson Bay was the growth centre for the main ice sheet that covered northern North America during the last Ice Age. The whole region has very low year-round average temperatures. (The average annual temperature for Churchill at 59°N is -5 °C; by comparison Arkhangelsk at 64°N in a similar cold continental position in northern Russia has an average of 2 °C.[16]) Water temperature peaks at 8°-9 °C (46°-48 °F) on the western side of the bay in late summer. It is largely frozen over from mid-December to mid-June
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Bay

    August 13, 2015: 2nd highest ice coverage for Hudson Bay since 1971 at mid-August – only 1992 higher

    The sea ice on 25 July 2015. (Note the location of the Great Lakes and think of the record ice the last couple of winters and the 6F below normal summer water temperature.)

    The Great Lakes obliterated all records for springtime ice last year, and this year.

    On March 1, 2014 the Great Lakes were approaching 100% Ice Cover – For The First Time On Record, only Lake Ontario was the only major holdout

  72. Gail Combs says:

    What is the shape of the weather patterns of glaciation?

    Meridional or ‘loopy’ jets

    Finally what do the experts in the field of Paleoclimatology say?

    Any hope that the Holocene would go long was shot down by Lisiecki and Raymo in 2005 in their rebuttal of Loutre and Berger, 2003. Lisiecki and Raymo in a landmark paper took an exhaustive look at 57 globally distributed deep Ocean Drilling Project seabed cores.
    A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records

    Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial [e.g., Loutre and Berger, 2003; EPICA community members, 2004] because both occur during times of low eccentricity. The LR04 age model establishes that MIS 11 spans two precession cycles, with #18O values below 3.6h for 20 kyr, from 398{418 ka. In comparison, stages 9 and 5 remained below 3.6h for 13 and 12 kyr, respectively, and the Holocene interglacial has lasted 11 kyr so far. In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398{418 ka as from 250{650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be arti cially stretched. However, the June 21 insolation minimum at 65N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a double precession-cycle” interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human in influence.

    Since then no one in Quaternary Science has rebutted Lisiecki and Raymo. Not a fact to give one warm fussy feelings. Their research says no warming for ‘another 65 thousand years’ and a good possibility of a return to the Ice Box ‘without human influence’

    Others agree.
    A fall 2012 paper “Can we predict the duration of an interglacial?” says…

    …although it has been unclear whether the subdued current summer insolation minimum (479 W m−2 ), the lowest of the last 800 kyr, would be sufficient to lead to glaciation (e.g. Crucifix, 2011). Comparison with MIS 19c, a close astronomical analogue characterized by an equally weak summer insolation minimum (474 W m−2 ) and a smaller overall decrease from maximum summer solstice insolation values, suggests that glacial inception is possible despite the subdued insolation forcing, if CO2 concentrations were 240 ± 5 ppmv (Tzedakis et al., 2012). …..
    (wwwDOT)clim-past.net/8/1473/2012/cp-8-1473-2012.pdf

    An earlier paper from 2007 “Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception” says

    Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003.]…
    (wwwDOT)sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379107002715

  73. Gail Combs says:

    The two major questions I have is:

    1. If we pump out enough CO2 into the atmosphere will it be enough to keep the earth from massive cooling? Even during the time between the two precession cycle peaks in MIS11 the temperature was darn cold and the climate chaotic and nasty. (Think Little Ice Age or worse.)

    2. Do the Elite actually believe we are headed into either Little Ice Age conditions or worse. Are we being Grubered so they and their descendants can survive while we die? Is that why the emphasis on population control started in the 1970s at the same time Hays and Shackleton proved the Milancovitch theory with hard data from sea bed cores?

    No matter what we need to quit playing games with idiotic toys like solar and wind and get serious about building nuclear power generating stations and desalinization plants, while we devote time and money to fission power.

    • David A says:

      Gail, help me out here regarding 65 degrees north and precession.

      My understanding of precession theory is not that the axial tilt changes, but that the earth very slowly ( over 24 thousand years) wobbles around the same tilt, so that the time when the earth is closest to the sun slowly changes from the current month of January, to June, and then back, one cycle taking 24 k years.

      Is there also a longer axial tilt change?

  74. AndyG55 says:

    Odd.. trying to post an image but it keeps getting kicked out…… last try

  75. Gail Combs says:

    Andy, just a comment on the satellite maps of CO2 and ‘well mixed’

    The “CO2 nadir resolution of 90 km X 90 km” means that even looking at a large area (averaged) it is STILL not well mixed!

    Significant Findings from AIRS Data

    Carbon dioxide is not homogeneous in the mid-troposphere; previously it was thought to be well-mixed

    The distribution of carbon dioxide in the mid-troposphere is strongly influenced by large-scale circulations such as the mid-latitude jet streams and by synoptic weather systems, most notably in the summer hemisphere

    There are significant differences between simulated and observed CO2 abundance outside of the tropics, raising questions about the transport pathways between the lower and upper troposphere in current models

    Zonal transport in the southern hemisphere shows the complexity of its carbon cycle and needs further study

    AIRS reports the daytime and nighttime global distribution of carbon dioxide in the mid-troposphere at a nadir resolution of 90 km x 90 km. The high spectral resolution and stability of AIRS allows a measurement accuracy between 1.5 ppm and 2 ppm, making it ideal for mapping the distribution and transport of carbon dioxide levels in the free troposphere.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20130216200719/http://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/data/about_airs_co2_data/

  76. Gail Combs says:

    As far as snow and the polar vortex goes.

    ΔUV/Euv ===> Δ Ozone ===> QBO ===> shift from zonal vs meridional jets.

    This paper Recent variability of the solar spectral irradiance and its impact on climate modelling has some of the information.

    More information with lots of peer-reviewed papers, I am not going to lay it all out again.
    jet stream has gone from zonal to a meridional

    Jet stream changes

    brewster-dobson cycle

    ozone

  77. Gail Combs says:

    transrp says:

    ” Consider this statement. John consumes 2000 calories a day, and weighs 180 lbs. He has changed his diet, because he discovered Ben and Jerries /death By chocolate ice cream, and is not eating 2200 calories. Heck, lets be generous and say that he is eating 2150 calories. He still has the same amount of physical activity. Are you going to actually claim that at the end of a year, having consumed an extra 54000 calories that John has not going to have gained any weight? That at the end of 10 years, with that extra intake are you going to claim that John will not be seriously obese?”

    Which, given the book I am now reading, is extremely funny.

    It seems it is not HOW MANY CALORIES, but WHAT TYPE OF FOOD that you eat that puts on the weight.

    Sugars and starches, esp. fructose flip a switch (insulin) that causes storage of fat within the liver. This causes a cascading bunch of nasty effects like calories stored as belly fat instead of being used, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, liver damage and even cancer of the liver. It also has the effect of slowing the metabolism so you literally do not move as much while sitting or sleeping. Your body goes into starvation mode and conserves energy. So you eat less go on a conventional diet, cut calories, don’t eat enough fat or protein and continue gaining weight.

    And yes transrp, I have read some of the peer-reviewed lit. I was struck by the definition of “low Carb” = 300 gr per day. That is over ten times what I consider my upper limit. And yes I lost 30 pounds counting carbs not calories when conventional diets just kept packing on the pounds. (My blood pressure dropped like a rock too.)

    • transrp says:

      Where in my post did I mention changing food type? Are you going to change the type of CO2 that goes into the atmosphere? I know at least as much about diet and nutrition as you claim to which is why at almost 70 I take no medications, and can ski black diamond slopes. I only score a 9 on this test: http://discovermagazine.com/2013/nov/05-sit-down, but am working on it. I also got rid of allergies and asthma.

      Keep experimenting. What works for some people does not work for others. I avoid HFCS like the plague. Lots of Dark Chocolate though

      I suppose that some people on a 2000 cal diet that is working for them, could add 150 to 200 cal a day, and not gain weight. I would be surprised if anyone could produce a study that this worked for a majority of people in a random sample. I do not care how good the diet was.

      • Jason Calley says:

        Hey transrp! Wow! Sounds like whatever your diet and lifestyle are, it works for you! Keep it up!

        And Gail, yes, I did pretty much the same as you almost a year ago. I cut way back on starches and sweets, but ate a lot more fat and protein. Not alwaysveasy for a vegetarian — but I lst about 30 pounds with no hunger or other issues. Feel a lot better now!

      • Gail Combs says:

        Well on the food we do agree. Esp the dark chocolate.

        As far as adding calories. If you went from the 2000 calories of bread and pasta and HFCS ===> 2200 calories of meat + a few leafy green veggies you could increase the calories and actually lose weight since the impact of protein is to raise the blood levels of glucagon, a fat mobilizing hormone along with the insulin while carbs only raise the fat storage hormone insulin. The correct fats also actually help in weight loss by mobilizing the fat stored in the liver. Of course since fat and protein will sate the appetite while carbs will not you quit eating as much anyway.

        I am only part way though the book and have not had a chance to do any research to confirm what they are saying. One bit of info especially for middle aged women is to stay away from dairy. No cheese or cream or milk. A bit of butter is OK.
        The Doctors have no idea why dairy stops weight loss but it does based on hundreds of their patients. (I love cheese so that is not something I wanted to read.)

        I might add that these people start with a full work up including hormones since it is aimed at us older folks.

        Oh, and if you were not aware, something like 70% – 90% of Americans are deficient in iodine. The level of iodine consumption has dropped by 50% in the last 30 to 40 years. I read that else where too and checked it. The problem is the salt in all the junk food is not iodized. Only the salt you buy for home use is. That is going to really through your metabolism off especially for older folks who have to curb their salt intake.

        This is all I have on iodine as far as peer-reviewed goes.
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19534625

        and a pop article:
        http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2011/10/The-Silent-Epidemic-of-Iodine-Deficiency/Page-01

        Here is the info on iodized salt in junk food.
        Medscape Medical News from the:
        American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE) 19th Annual Meeting
        http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/720930

        …………………….
        Another bit of dietary info: (If you have a wife she need this.)
        Coenzyme Q10
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16375724
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2785862/
        http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/coenzyme-q10

  78. Gail Combs says:

    transrp says:
    “…The situation is GLOBAL warming. The globe includes that 66?% of the surface that is ocean. When the ocean warms, more moisture goes into the atmosphere. It does not stay there. No, that moisture comes back down. In the winter it comes down as snow. That is right. Even if the average temperature in winter goes up by a couple of degrees F over the course of 100 years (see this picture — http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2015/30yearsofabo.png) and http://www.climatecentral.org/news/winters-are-warming-all-across-the-us-15590 what comes down will be snow, that simply means that average temperatures in a place like Wisconsin will be — and I am just guessing — 27 degrees, rather than 25 degrees. At 27 degrees it still snows in the winter. It does not rain. Hence more snow in the winter is evidence of global warming.

    And I am sure that none of you will understand this. This probably also explains the great lakes freezing. And I am just guessing here… See — Ice and snow are big carriers of what can be called negative heat. All that snow cools the lakes enough so that even though the ambient air temp is a bit warmer, since that temp is still below freezing, less heat has to leave the water for it to freeze. Here is a fun experiment you can do. Take two glasses of water. at room temp. But an ice cube in one of them. Let it melt. Put both into the freezer. Guess which one will freeze over first…..”

    Where to start on that mess….
    We will start with the statement
    When the ocean warms, more moisture goes into the atmosphere.
    The first question is WHY do the oceans warm?
    The answer is The SUN! and not only the sun but the part of the sun’s spectrum that changes the most. (See NASA and the paper I cited above)

    Wavelengths of solar energth that penetrate and warm the ocean. Notice that IR is absent.

    A closer look

    So it is again the variable sun that causes ocean warming to vary. Not only that Usoskin et al. (2014) identified a rare and unique Grand maximum of solar activity, which has occurred only once in the past 3,000 years. A “unique” and “rare” event in terms of both magnitude and duration. SEE: A History of Solar Activity over Millennia

    That Grand Solar Maximum is now coming to a close.

    MORE EVIDENCE:
    Solar variability and climate change’ Geomagnetic aa index and global surface temperature
    E.W. Cliver •and V. Borikoff •
    Air Force Research Laboratory, Hanscom Air Force Base, Massachusetts
    J. Feynman [Sister of Richard Feynman]
    Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California

    Introduction.
    ….In particular, various authors have noted that solar irradiance proxies and global surface temperatures declined for an interval during the middle of the present century while the concentration of greenhouse gases such as CO2, which cause global warming, rose monotonically. …

    Discussion
    The implication is that the geomagnetic minimum between cycles 23 and 24 (in -.•2007) will not exceed that of th e 1996 geomagnetic minimum(18.6 nT) which itself wa s slightly lower than the 1987 aa minimum (19.0 nT), and that the underlying trend in solar irradiance will and that the underlying trend in solar irradiance will continue to be fiat or downward. As of this writing it appears that the average aa value for 1997 will be even lower (-.•16nT) than that of 1996.

    Such a leveling off or decline of the long-term solar component of climate change will help to disentangle its effects from that of anthropogenic greenhouse warming .

    Predicting Solar Cycle 24 and beyond
    Mark A. Clilverd,1 Ellen Clarke,2 Thomas Ulich,3 Henry Rishbeth,4
    and Martin J. Jarvis1

    F10.7 cm Flux and Solar Activity Effects
    [18] It is relatively simple to convert the sunspot model results into solar radio flux (F10.7 cm) as they correlate well. The radio flux can be measured relatively easily and is used as an index of solar activity for many purposes. Figure 5 shows the sunspot model results converted to annual average F10.7 flux, compared with the observed values from 1947 — 2004. The agreement is generally good apart from the peaks of cycles 19 and 20 where there are differences of ±50 (plus for cycle 19, minus for 20). The predicted F10.7 cm flux levels for the peak of cycle 24 is only around 100 instead of the more typical 200.

    [19] Lower solar activity in cycle 24 will produce a range of effects in the Earth’s atmosphere. It should reduce the solar UV forcing of the upper stratosphere and thereby reduce the solar cycle variations in geopotential height, ozone, and temperature at tropical and subtropical latitudes [Hood, 2004]. Field and Rishbeth [1997] found that in cases they studied, geomagnetic activity produces greater relative depression of F2 layer electron density in a solar cycle with lower F10.7 than in ones of higher F10.7….

    4. Discussion and Summary
    [20] We have used an extended model of low-frequency oscillations to represent the variation of sunspot number since 1750….. This result is in close agreement with the value of 50 predicted by Badalyan et al. [2001] on the basis of estimates from cyclic variations of the coronal green line intensities. These predictions suggest that a period of quiet solar activity is expected, lasting until Y2030….

    • AndyG55 says:

      Gail.. that’s way too much for the trancer.

      Seems he is barely capable of basic arithmetic !😉

      And emulates Phil Jones when it comes to Excel.

      • Gail Combs says:

        OUCH! Andy that is not nice to compare someone to an inept fool like Jones. I have no computer training and had no problem producing graphs for reports in Excel.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Although I will say this statement was a real rib cracker. “negative heat?” If there is no change of state the snow does nothing energy wise except what would be expected from its temperature. Rain would do the same.

        “…Ice and snow are big carriers of what can be called negative heat. All that snow cools the lakes enough so that even though the ambient air temp is a bit warmer, since that temp is still below freezing, less heat has to leave the water for it to freeze….”

        Seems he hasn’t been far enough north to realize that it is the clear nights that are bitter cold and you can actually freeze a bucket of water by insulating the bucket and exposing it to the night sky when the temperature is above freezing.

        It is one of the experiments I want to try some fall or spring if we ever get a clear cool night.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Gail, Here’s a nice find.

      Succinct and well put together.

      https://wryheat.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/evidence-that-co2-emissions-do-not-intensify-the-greenhouse-effect/

      This part is fun.. (my caps)

      “there has been a significant DECREASE in down-welling, long-wave infrared radiation from increasing greenhouse gases over the 14 year period 1996-2010 in the US Great Plains.”

  79. Gail Combs says:

    NEXT transrp says:
    “…And I am sure that none of you will understand this. This probably also explains the great lakes freezing. And I am just guessing here… See — Ice and snow are big carriers of what can be called negative heat. All that snow cools the lakes enough so that even though the ambient air temp is a bit warmer, since that temp is still below freezing, less heat has to leave the water for it to freeze….”

    This of course is the latent heat of vaporization, ∆Hvap = 2257(kJ/kg)

    As anyone knows who boils a kettle for tea as I do in the morning, with energy going into ∆Hvap the temperature does not change but the state of the water does from liquid to vapor. The energy instead of raising the temperature breaks down the intermolecular attractive forces, and also provides the energy necessary to expand the gas. Water’s latent heat of fusion is only 334 kJ/kg so when water vapor in the atmosphere forms ice crystals it releases 2,591 kJ/kg

    This BTW is the reason temperature is a rotten measure of earth energy.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So now what happens? The water vapor rises and forms clouds of water and ice RELEASING THE HEAT IN THE UPPER TROPOSPHERE!
    In other words water transports the heat from the surface to the tropopause where it takes off for outer space. Since there is little or no water in the stratosphere there is nothing to prevent this escape of heat.

    The water, now in the form of rain, snow or hail can be carried for miles on the jets to be dropped over land.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Sleepalot and I took a look at an actual example, the humid Brazilian rain forest, Barcelos, Brazil (L= 0.9750° S), and the dry N. African Desert, Adrar, Algeria. (L= 27.8667° )

      This data is from May (2012) which is midway between the vernal equinox and the summer solstice.

      Barcelos, Brazil
      ….monthly min 20C, monthly max 33C, monthly average 26C
      Average humidity 90%

      Adrar, Algeria
      …..monthly min 9C monthly max 44C, monthly average 30C
      Average humidity around 0%

      The effect of the addition of water vapor (~ 4%) is not to raise the temperature but to even the temperature out. The monthly high is 10C lower and the monthly low is ~ 10C higher when the GHG H2O is added to the atmosphere in this example. The average temperature is about 4C lower in Brazil despite the fact Algeria is further north above the tropic of Cancer. Some of the difference is from the effect of clouds/albedo but the dramatic effect on the temperature extremes is also from the humidity.

      I took a rough look at the data from Brazil. Twelve days were sunny. I had to toss the data for two days because it was bogus. The average humidity was 80% for those ten days. The high was 32 with a range of 1.7C and the low was 22.7C with a range of 2.8C. Given the small range in values over the month the data is probably a pretty good estimate for the effects of humidity only.

      You still get the day-night variation of ~ 10C with a high humidity vs a day-night variation of 35C without and the average temp is STILL going to be lower when the humidity is high and the effect of clouds is removed.
      DATA from: classic(DOT)wunderground.com/history/station/82113/2012/5/22/MonthlyHistory.html

      This data would indicate GHGs have two effects. One is to even out the temperature and the second is to act as a “coolant” at least if the GHG is H2O, the most significant GHG.

      This graph shows the effect of the sun in the desert with no or little water

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