Christmas Eve 1955 Was Much Warmer Than 2015 In The US

Christmas Eve 2015 was warm in half of the US, but 60 years earlier the entire US was warm on Christmas Eve. Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all reported temperatures over 90 degrees on December 24, 1955.

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Joe Bastardi Blasts Claims 2015 Christmas Was US Warmest: “Ridiculous” … “Lies And Deception”… – Linkis.com

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63 Responses to Christmas Eve 1955 Was Much Warmer Than 2015 In The US

  1. gator69 says:

    More bait for Marty “Wrong Graph” Smith.

    No wonder he wants to go to the lake so badly, he thinks he is catching fishermen.

    • Gail Combs says:

      I notice that M. Winston Smith on the other thread rolled out all the Alarmist talking points for Ted.

      I am commenting here to respect Ted’s request that we do not interfere.

      I already addressed the water vapor feedback and clouds a few weeks earlier and the fact the water vapor is just not going up as predicted. There is also the missing hot spot.
      Dr Evans does the physics link Links to full series on new climate model HERE He also does a calculation of the CO2 climate sensitivity that is in line with the experimental data.

      RACookPE1978 gets into the sea ice/no ice effects at the poles HERE and in several comments above and below. Martin has it backwards. Open water in the Arctic especially in the fall when it is the most open radiates lots of heat to space. Also it is Antarctic sea Ice that really affects the albedo since it is much closer to the equator. (about five times as effective)

      Methane, I have not bothered to follow after a brief look and after seeing the Russian Scientists said it was a tempest in a tea cup. Seems just like with oil spills it is bacteria to the rescue!

      From PRINCETON UNIVERSITY
      ….However, new research led by Princeton University researchers and published in The ISME Journal in August suggests that, thanks to methane-hungry bacteria, the majority of Arctic soil might actually be able to absorb methane from the atmosphere rather than release it. Furthermore, that ability seems to become greater as temperatures rise.

      The researchers found that Arctic soils containing low carbon content — which make up 87 percent of the soil in permafrost regions globally — not only remove methane from the atmosphere, but also become more efficient as temperatures increase. During a three-year period, a carbon-poor site on Axel Heiberg Island in Canada’s Arctic region consistently took up more methane as the ground temperature rose from 0 to 18 degrees Celsius (32 to 64.4 degrees Fahrenheit). The researchers project that should Arctic temperatures rise by 5 to 15 degrees Celsius over the next 100 years, the methane-absorbing capacity of “carbon-poor” soil could increase by five to 30 times….

      Article published in print August 2015.

      Abstract

      Methane (CH4) emission by carbon-rich cryosols at the high latitudes in Northern Hemisphere has been studied extensively. In contrast, data on the CH4 emission potential of carbon-poor cryosols is limited, despite their spatial predominance. This work employs CH4 flux measurements in the field and under laboratory conditions to show that the mineral cryosols at Axel Heiberg Island in the Canadian high Arctic consistently consume atmospheric CH4. Omics analyses present the first molecular evidence of active atmospheric CH4-oxidizing bacteria (atmMOB) in permafrost-affected cryosols, with the prevalent atmMOB genotype in our acidic mineral cryosols being closely related to Upland Soil Cluster α. The atmospheric (atm) CH4 uptake at the study site increases with ground temperature between 0 °C and 18 °C. Consequently, the atm CH4 sink strength is predicted to increase by a factor of 5-30 as the Arctic warms by 5-15 °C over a century. We demonstrate that acidic mineral cryosols are a previously unrecognized potential of CH4 sink that requires further investigation to determine its potential impact on larger scales. This study also calls attention to the poleward distribution of atmMOB, as well as to the potential influence of microbial atm CH4 oxidation, in the context of regional CH4 flux models and global warming.

      The ‘Arctic Methane Emergency’ appears canceled due to methane eating bacteria

      • markstoval says:

        Gail,

        The alarmists are always going to be wrong because they have the basic physics wrong.

        Besides that, they think the planet is warming but it is not and has not been warming since around 1997 or so. Honest temperature records would have us cooling a bit since 2004 or so. But even so, we know that historically warming comes first and then a rise in CO2 which tells anyone being honest that CO2 does not do the warming — something else does that.

        The poor fool of a troll you mention is obviously very stupid or he/she is just having a spot of fun by playing an alarmist crazy. I vote for stupid, but I don’t really know for sure.

        But if he should read this comment, he should have a ball with my next sentence. CO2, on net, cools the surface rather than warms it. So there. :-p

        Happy Holidays to you and yours Gail.

      • gator69 says:

        Hey Gail! I am also grabbing the popcorn and letting the two have a go at it. For a moment I thought Marty was just going to chicken out again, and posted as much, apparently at the same time Marty was posting his latest attempt at building another strawman. I’m guessing that right Marty is busily scouring the talking points over at SkS, looking for some way to BS his way through this.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Ted is no fool. So I am not laying any bets.

          If Marty has taken any science courses, they are the recent dumbed down courses.

          The immense damage done to US education is a crime. Why anyone would deliberately want to hobble minds and poison them with drugs and lies is completely beyond me. As I said before we should be mining Mars by now not fighting wars with idiotic muslims.

        • gator69 says:

          Why would anyone would deliberately want to hobble minds? To control them. Control is at the root of virtually every leftist/progressive agenda.

  2. Windsong says:

    Pierre, Steven (Tony) and Joe are my go-to guys; sites bookmarked and followed on Twitter for all three. Thanks to all of them for everything they do.

  3. In the year 1055, it was WAY colder, so yes climate change is true. Lol. You’re an idiot, Steve.

    • No it wasn’t. The MWP was warmer than now. If you make another comment like that I will ban you.

    • darrylb says:

      OK OP-ED. So do have a crystal ball or do you remember those years?
      Outside of the now debunked hockey stick, every measure, anecdotal and proxy, states otherwise, so please state upon what evidence you place your statement.

      Ad Hominen attacks with no measure of how to validate a statement has become all too characteristic of the media. That is the media which comes close to middle schoolish — ‘well everybody knows it’ and that is how we know it is true.

      • Impossible to tell if someone picking the MWP would be a denser-than-smith alarmist or a false flag plant paid by Big Oil to make them all look stupid.

        Most likely just trolling for clicks on his strange website.

        • Ted says:

          He does have an oddly conspiratorial site, for someone who plainly thinks Tony is a conspiracy theorist. I don’t see how someone with so little faith in the word of the government on one subject can believe them so completely on another. When you get down to the basic measurements, everything in climate science is filtered through the American government, at some point.

        • I know. I remember looking at the odd assortment at his site when he posted something a while back.

          I’m not even sure he thinks Tony is a conspiracy theorist even though that would be logical for an attacker to think. The world is full of strange people and I guess attempts to use logic to categorize them will sometimes lead to false conclusions. You have to use some odd, counter-logical criteria and I don’t know what they are.

          I remember wondering if he was so far in the left field that he thought Tony was part of the establishment but I dismissed it as too far out. Maybe I shouldn’t have.

    • Andy DC says:

      They were growing crops in Greenland during the MWP, which would be completely impossible with today’s climate. So if anything, it was WAY warmer!

  4. Latitude says:

    My parents took us all to the zoo on that Christmas day…..

  5. vorlath says:

    I recently had a “debate” online on a gaming forum so there are some younger people there. It’s funny what they are teaching them. They believe CO2 to be a pollutant. They don’t know what happens when CO2 levels drop below 180ppm. They will avoid that topic like the plague. They believe that there was a “BALANCE”. Not sure what this balance is about. Something relating to CO2 produced by natural causes was absorbed by natural causes or some such thing. And that the little CO2 we produce, even though it is very little, is throwing the entire ecosystem out of whack and is no longer in balance. Never mind that the planet used to have much higher CO2. I personally don’t think they know the planet used to have much higher CO2. Not one of them responded directly to this claim. I kept telling them to go look at CO2 charts that span millions of years, but none of them would.

    But yeah, “The balance” is what they believe in. And they don’t know about the pause. They’ve never heard of it and don’t believe it. I gave them a link to the RSS chart with a linear regression line across it and none of them can read charts or look at data. They kept asking for “credible sources” Ie. people who will tell them what they want to hear. In fact, they kept saying that I never gave any sources even though I linked to the data several times. They don’t see graphs or data as “credible sources”. They also know nothing about absorption bands. That part was apparently intentionally left out of their education.

    It’s like every time a big lie is squashed in the public eye, they invent new lies to explain away the old lies.

    • Gail Combs says:

      SCARY! Those are the types that burned witches….

    • darrylb says:

      Because I was a science department chair, mostly by default, now in retirement I have the opportunity to go to various schools.
      Sometimes I come as the chosen contrarian.
      I am anxiously awaiting the ‘Climate Hustle’ which is now ready to be distributed
      My conclusion to date is that very few science teachers understand even the basics of the hypothesized mechanics of CO2 induced warming.

      I am flagrantly angry that an elixir of life is not called a pollutant. Pathetic.

  6. TedL says:

    Probably the warmest winter in Minnesota was 1877-1878, which has been described as the year without a winter. http://climate.umn.edu/doc/journal/winter_1877_1878.htm . The corresponding months were the warmest on record in Australia. You can find more on Jennifer Marohasy’s blog. And it was unusually hot in South America – http://www.academia.edu/7961294/The_1877_1878_El_Ni%C3%B1o_episode_associated_impacts_in_South_America

    • David A says:

      Please show me an ACE chart for any hurricane basin showing an increase.

    • Gail Combs says:

      What is even funnier is EXTREME weather is the earmark of a coming ice age according to Paleoclimatologists. A glacial inception that is now due or over due. The Little Ice Age was right on time but a Solar Grand Maximum intervened ~ 1850, or may be not.

      “The lesson from the last interglacial “greenhouse” in the Bahamas is that the closing of that interval brought sea-level changes that were rapid and extreme. This has prompted the remark that between the greenhouse and the icehouse lies a climatic “madhouse”! — Neuman and Hearty (1996)

      In more ‘sciency’ words as Marty would say..

      The geology of the Last Interglaciation (sensu stricto, marine isotope substage (MIS) 5e) in the Bahamas records the nature of sea level and climate change. After a period of quasi-stability for most of the interglaciation, during which reefs grew to +2.5 m, sea level rose rapidly at the end of the period, incising notches in older limestone. After brief stillstands at +6 and perhaps +8.5 m, sea level fell with apparent speed to the MIS 5d lowstand and much cooler climatic conditions. It was during this regression from the MIS 5e highstand that the North Atlantic suffered an oceanographic ‘‘reorganization’’ about 11873 ka ago. During this same interval, massive dune-building greatly enlarged the Bahama Islands. Giant waves reshaped exposed lowlands into chevron-shaped beach ridges, ran up on older coastal ridges, and also broke off and threw megaboulders onto and over 20 m-high cliffs. The oolitic rocks recording these features yield concordant whole-rock amino acid ratios across the archipelago. Whether or not the Last Interglaciation serves as an appropriate analog for our ‘‘greenhouse’’ world, it nonetheless reveals the intricate details of climatic transitions between warm interglaciations and near glacial conditions.”
      Rapid sea level and climate change at the close of the Last Interglaciation (MIS 5e): Evidence from the Bahama Islands
      Hearty and Neumann (Quaternary Science Reviews 20 [2001] 1881–1895)

      Giant waves.. broke off and threw megaboulders onto and over 20 m-high cliffs. No wonder Hearty and Neumann called glacial inception a Climatic Madhouse!

      In terrestrial records from Central and Eastern Europe the end of the Last Interglacial seems to be characterized by evident climatic and environmental instabilities recorded by geochemical and vegetation indicators. The transition (MIS 5e/5d) from the Last Interglacial (Eemian, Mikulino) to the Early Last Glacial (Early Weichselian, Early Valdai) is marked by at least two warming events as observed in geochemical data on the lake sediment profiles of Central (Gro¨bern, Neumark–Nord, Klinge) and of Eastern Europe (Ples). Results of palynological studies of all these sequences indicate simultaneously a strong increase of environmental oscillations during the very end of the Last Interglacial and the beginning of the Last Glaciation. This paper discusses possible correlations of these events between regions in Central and Eastern Europe. The pronounced climate and environment instability during the interglacial/glacial transition could be consistent with the assumption that it is about a natural phenomenon, characteristic for transitional stages….
      Instability of climate and vegetation dynamics in Central and Eastern Europe during the final stage of the Last Interglacial (Eemian, Mikulino) and Early Glaciation
      Boettger, et al (Quaternary International 207 [2009] 137–144)

      Dr. Wallace S. Broecker, the father of modern paleoclimatology, says in his paper: The End of the Present Interglacial: How and When? Quaternary Science Reviews, Vol. 17

      Despite the large decline in Northern Hemisphere summer insolation during the last 8000 years, neither sea level nor polar temperatures have as yet undergone any significant downturn. This behavior is consistent with the prediction by Kukla and Matthews (1972) that the Holocene interglacial will terminate suddenly with a jump to another of the climate system’s modes of operation. This is what happened at the end of the last period of peak interglaciation. However, complicating the situation is evidence that ice sheet growth during the transition from marine stage 5e to 5d preceded the shut down of the Atlantic’s conveyor circulation which is thought to have brought Europe’s Eemian to a close… Results of palynological studies of all these sequences indicate simultaneously a strong increase of environmental oscillations during the very end of the Last Interglacial and the beginning of the Last Glaciation. This paper discusses possible correlations of these events between regions in Central and Eastern Europe. The pronounced climate and environment instability during the interglacial/glacial transition could be consistent with the assumption that it is about a natural phenomenon, characteristic for transitional stages. Taking into consideration that currently observed ‘‘human-induced’’ global warming coincides with the natural trend to cooling, the study of such transitional stages is important for understanding the underlying processes of the climate changes.

      • Gail Combs says:

        The IPCC actually said in the Science Report in TAR:

        “in climate research and modeling we should recognise that we are dealing with a complex non linear chaotic signature and therefore that long-term prediction of future climatic states is not possible”

        IPCC 2001 section 4.2.2.2 page 774

        Dr. Robert Brown is a physicist at Duke University who did research on nonlinear dynamics, aka, chaos theory, for nearly twenty years. His mentor was Dr. Richard Palmer (ex associate director of the Santa Fe Center for Complex Systems ) He explains to the layman a bit about chaos theory and strange attractors.

        First it is helpful to have a view of the temperature for the last five million years when the climate has been bistable.

        The present continent configuration, with the closing of the Isthmus of Panama and the opening of Drake Passage had a major impact on the Earth’s climate causing the present Ice Age. The earth is now in an ice age, just within the brief warm spike called the Holocene. You can see in this graph of the last five million years the switches from one ‘Strange Attractor’ to another.

        If you look at the Wisconsin glaciation, between the last interglacial and this one you can also see these “abrupt swings” called Dansgaard–Oeschger events in this graph.

        Both of these graphs support the idea of the climate as a “Complex nonlinear multivariate systems… exhibit[ing] “strange attractors”

        Dr Brown in June of 2012 went on to explain:

        …..Furthermore, examination of this record over the last 5 million years reveals a sobering fact. We are in an ice age, where the Earth spends 80 to 90% of its geological time in the grip of vast ice sheets that cover the polar latitudes well down into what is currently the temperate zone. We are at the (probable) end of the Holocene, the interglacial in which humans emerged all the way from tribal hunter-gatherers to modern civilization. The Earth’s climate is manifestly, empirically bistable, with a warm phase and cold phase, and the cold phase is both more likely and more stable. As a physicist who has extensively studied bistable open systems, this empirical result clearly visible in the data has profound implications. The fact that the LIA was the coldest point in the entire Holocene (which has been systematically cooling from the Holocene Optimum on) is also worrisome. Decades are irrelevant on the scale of these changes. Centuries are barely relevant. We are nowhere near the warmest, but the coldest century in the last 10,000 years ended a mere 300 years ago, and corresponded almost perfectly with the Maunder minimum in solar activity.

        There is absolutely no evidence in this historical record of a third stable warm phase that might be associated with a “tipping point” and hence “catastrophe” (in the specific mathematical sense of catastrophe, a first order phase transition to a new stable phase)….
        link

        Dr. Robert Brown, also makes this comment on climate, chaos theory and “strange attractors”

        …..Let me also comment on the connection between HK dynamics and statistics and chaos. Complex nonlinear multivariate systems often exhibit “strange attractors” — local fixed points in a set of coupled nonlinear ordinary differential equations — that function as foci for Poincare cycles in the multivariate phase space. In classical deterministic chaos, a system will often end up in a complex orbit around multiple attractors, one that essentially never repeats (and the attractors themselves may migrate around as this is going on). In a system such as the climate, we can never include enough variables to describe the actual system on all relevant length scales (e.g. the butterfly effect — MICROSCOPIC perturbations grow exponentially in time to drive the system to completely different states over macroscopic time) so the best that we can often do is model it as a complex nonlinear set of ordinary differential equations with stochastic noise terms — a generalized Langevin equation or generalized Master equation, as it were — and average behaviors over what one hopes is a spanning set of butterfly-wing perturbations to assess whether or not the resulting system trajectories fill the available phase space uniformly or perhaps are restricted or constrained in some way. We might physically expect this to happen if the system has strong nonlinear negative feedback terms that stabilize it around some particular (family of) attractors. Or, we might find that the system is in or near a “critical” regime where large fluctuations are possible and literally anything can happen, and then change without warning to anything else, with very little pattern in what happens or how long it lasts…..

        • Jason Calley says:

          Dr. Brown is one of the consistently bright lights in real climate science. His various comments (especially at Watts’ blog) are always worth reading. His statements on chaotic systems are the best I seen online. If I wore a hat, I would tip it to him.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Jason,
          That is why I have several pages of his comments saved. He really does make a lot of sense.

      • Gail Combs says:

        To back up what Dr Brown (and the IPCC) is saying about climate and chaos theory, here is a July, 2014 paper finding the climate is ‘highly nonlinear’
        Synchronization of North Pacific and Greenland climates preceded abrupt deglacial warming

        Editor’s Summary:
        Climates conspire together to make big changes

        The regional climates of the North Pacific and North Atlantic fluttered between synchrony and asynchrony during the last deglaciation, with correspondingly more and less intense effects on the rest of the world, researchers have found. The climate system can be highly nonlinear, meaning that small changes in one part can lead to much larger changes elsewhere. This type of behavior is especially evident during transitions from glacial to interglacial conditions, when climate is affected by a wide variety of time-varying influences and is relatively unstable. Praetorius and Mix present a record of North Pacific climate over the past 18,000 years. When the climates of the more local high-latitude Pacific and Atlantic sectors varied in parallel, large, abrupt climate fluctuations occurred on a more global scale.

        This is a good summation of the actual state of the science from Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography, University of London who also edits the Journal of Biogeography.

        ….In a system as complex and chaotic as climate, such an action may even trigger unexpected consequences. It is vital to remember that, for a coupled, non-linear system, not doing something (ie, not emitting gases) is as unpredictable as doing something (ie, emitting gases). Even if we closed down every factory in the world, crushed every car and aeroplane, turned off all energy production, and threw four billion people worldwide out of work, climate would still change, and often dramatically. The only trouble is that we would all be too poor to be
        able to adapt to the changes, whatever their direction…. http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/2417

  7. Martin Smith says:

    Steven, for crying out loud. The link in your post goes to a page that just links back to your page, so we can’t fact check what you and Joe Bastardi have said. The two of you are simply repeating what each other has said. There is no scale on your maps, so there is no way to know what they mean, but you earlier posted a map showing locations where the temperature was over 60F, and you were comparing that to the map for this Christmas where the temperatures were much higher than 60F. You can’t compare those two things, but you did anyway, and your readers obviously didn’t fact check. Now we can’t fact check you on your latest repeat of that claim, because your links don’t work and your maps are not labeled at all.

    Note that the anomalies computed in 1955 used a different mean baseline than the mean baseline used today. The period for the mean baseline used today didn’t begin until 1961. It runs from 1961 to 1990. The computation for 1955 used a different mean baseline, which was lower, so if you used anomalies computed in 1955, your two maps are NOT comparable. I’m betting you didn’t know that.

    • “Steven, for crying out loud. The link in your post goes to a page that just links back to your page, so we can’t fact check what you and Joe Bastardi have said. The two of you are simply repeating what each other has said. ”

      That’s how trolls like trolls Heller and Bastardi roll.

    • Gail Combs says:

      SO?

      In the 1970s I watched a house float down the river and OVER the bridge I had just driven over (through water) an hour before. (WV) It also rained for 40 days plus in Indiana The rivers were so high we rescued some kayakers who had just gone over one of the Army Core of Engineer dams on the Blue River .

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