NASA Lied – And People Died

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11 Jun 1986, Page 1A – at Newspapers.com

Thirty years ago, NASA lied for funding and we lost the Space Shuttle. The US no longer has the capability to put people in space.

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30 Responses to NASA Lied – And People Died

  1. Tom Moran says:

    Same Feynman as your quote?

      • Barbara says:

        My hero, too. Posted on my refrigerator is his quote, “If you thought that science was certain–well, that is just an error on your part.”. Wasn’t he lucky not to have lived to witness “science” today?

        • Jason Calley says:

          We might want to remember that one of Feynman’s few surviving scientific and generational peers, Freeman Dyson, thinks that CAGW is false.

  2. Today, NASA lies for funding and we are losing low cost energy. The US no longer has the capability to put people into jobs.

  3. gator69 says:

    The main difference between a cat and a lie is that a cat only has nine lives.
    -Mark Twain

  4. omanuel says:

    Atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 & 9 AUG 1945 publicly revealed the Creator, Destroyer and Sustainer of atoms, lives and worlds.

    After WWII ended, nations and national academies of sciences were united on 24 OCT 1945 to form an Orwellian Ministry of Scientific (UN)Truths.”

    NSF, DOE, NASA, EPA, etc. were established to promote “Consensus Standard Models” of reality and hide evidence of the Creator, Destroyer and Sustainer.

    However, the Creator’s “fingerprints” are indelibly recorded in precise rest mass measurements of 3,000 types of atoms that compromise all matter.

    After the past seventy years (1946-2016) of deceit are cleared away, humanity may experience the next stage of evolution.

    • omanuel says:

      Specifically, I suspect we will see:

      1. The current false conflict between science and religions replaced by
      2. A merger of physical sciences with the spiritual basis of all religions

      • omanuel says:

        The Challenger disaster delayed launch of the Galileo Mission to Jupiter. My colleagues and I had predicted in 1983 that “strange xenon,” first discovered in primitive meteorites in 1972, would be observed by the Galileo Probe of Jupiter.

        The Galileo Probe entered Jupiter’s atmosphere in December 1995, observed evidence of ” strange xenon” in Jupiter’s gases, but hid the from the public until the NASA Administrator was publicly asked for the data while being video recorded by CSPAN news.

        • omanuel says:

          This video shows the NASA Administrator releasing the xenon isotope data in 1998 that NASA collected in 1995, confirming our published prediction in 1983 of “strange xenon” in Jupiter from synthesis of the elements in the supernova birth of the solar system.

  5. The state of the NASA and the shuttle disaster are a good analogy to today’s situation. As Feynman learned during his investigation, to secure funding and the continuation of the agency’s programs the management was using insane, completely made-up numbers unsupported by facts. There is a direct political connection between NASA’s claimed 100,000 to 1 shuttle safety factor and the fraudulent statistics of AGW.

  6. Go Fever says:

    Thiokol had engineers who said that they had never tested the o-rings between the solid rocket canisters for those conditions and would not give their approval for the launch. NASA had “Go Fever” and high level administrators were more afraid of missing a launch date as a blemish on their career than respecting the opinion of the engineers. NASA wouldn’t listen to reasoning of the engineers. They simply applied high level pressure to compel the engineers to capitulate instead of proving them wrong.

  7. NASA was staffed from the beginning with NAZIs very familiar with Goebels big lie.

    Indeed who says we did win the war: NAZA & NASI

  8. darrylb says:

    Like Kennedy’s assassination, and 9/11, I remember exactly where I was when I heard the news of the Seven.

  9. darrylb says:

    Another parallel to AGW lies, is that a few good and honest would be whistle blowers are forced, intimidated to be quiet.
    think Senators Whitehouse and Grijalva.

  10. Henry P says:

    it seems most R. candidates know there is no man made global warming
    [which would affect minimum temps.]

  11. eliza says:

    I hope Donald or Ted wins, but Hillary is ok as well Bill does not believe for one minute in the AGW crap (Bill Clinton is a very savvy intelligent man), its dying (AGW) everywhere its not even an issue (my personal view hahah)

    • Barbara says:

      eliza: AGW is not the only issue in this election. Please rethink Hillary. She and husband are part of the problem which possibly a Trump could work on, if not fix. Think Clinton Foundation and its donors! Plus Hillary’s legal issues are hanging around her neck like a giant albatross. Think Cruz’ wife and her connections! No, I do not feel a union of Mexico, U.S,, Canada would be a good idea. She is a member of the Council promoting that, not to mention the Goldman Sachs connection. I admit that Cruz made a good showing in his three (3) years of Senate service. Too short a time to make a call!

  12. mogur2013 says:

    You dare to claim that since Richard Feyman condemned NASA for underestimating the danger for Shuttle launches, that they are now lying about climate change? You, sir, are a charlatan, have you no shame? NASA is not the government tool that you claim. NASA management got it wrong about the O-rings. Okay, NASA management needs to own up.

    NOAA and NASA scientists all agree that climate change is happening. You are an engineer. That you disagree is very important. Engineers did alert NASA management about the effects of cold weather on the o-rings. I respect engineers immensely. But this is not about material science. This is about your daughter’s future. Are we going to handicap that future with careless regard, or are we going to look as hard as we can? Science does not judge. You do.

      • I second that. And I judge whiney charlatans too. I am shocked at the level of opportunistic exploitation of superstition, cowardice and ignorance–and I am wearily familiar with it from dealing with antinuclear econazis. I also recall the Physics Today coverage in Feynmans own words. Charlatans, morgur-mask, increase the death rate for an entire population by fanning hysteria and pushing pseudoscience..

    • Hello, Mogur. Long time no see. You wrote:

      You dare to claim that since Richard Feyman condemned NASA for underestimating the danger for Shuttle launches, that they are now lying about climate change? You, sir, are a charlatan, have you no shame?

      That’s not the logic. Our host has abundantly demonstrated that NASA’s data and presentation of it has been wrong. Among other things, NASA asserts that NASA was wrong as they constantly change the data. Of multiple versions of data measuring the same thing ostensibly the same way, at least all but one of them is incorrect. And it’s been shown over and over that the changes are inevitably in the direction that shows more impending catastrophe.

      Richard Feynman’s famous NASA involvement demonstrated that their problematic culture extended to far more than Morton-Thiokol’s o-rings. Much of Feynman’s report focused on the fuel pump turbines of the Orbiter’s main engines, and compellingly demonstrated that NASA constantly mis-estimated the likely rates of failure. A mission abort in flight triggered by an engine failure, happily not fatal that time, was just one more indicator of the value of his analysis.

      But all of this is simply history … and in the case of data, the editing of history by NASA as needed for their purposes.

      I am amused that you paraphrased the famous quote used on Senator McCarthy, as you try to use McCarthy’s worst tactics here. Welsh, the speaker, was actually defending someone (on his team) who WAS part of the Communist-connected organization that McCarthy accused him of. That the counter-attack worked in the press was merely a PR success; McCarthy was correct despite his tendency toward bombast and hyperbole.

      Global warming has killed no one. The communism that McCarthy so vehemently opposed wound up the century by killing far more than 100,000,000 people, non-combatants in peacetime, usually citizens of the communists’ own countries.

      You wrote:

      NOAA and NASA scientists all agree that climate change is happening.

      Not all of them, of course, but those that don’t agree keep silent or are booted out. NASA knows who they must serve, and what they must say in that service. Of COURSE they’re “a government tool.” And the money is the carrot, with career threats an effective stick.

      You wrote:

      But this is not about material science. This is about your daughter’s future. Are we going to handicap that future with careless regard, or are we going to look as hard as we can? Science does http://www.dehavelle.com/not judge. You do.

      There is no evidence supported by good science that the decreasing number of hurricanes, reduced tornadoes and tornado deaths, greater crop yields, and other benefits of modestly increasing CO2 pose any threat at all. Temperatures are amazingly stable; people are hyperventilating about fractions of a degree, and those have been subjected to … fudging. We’ve had an order of magnitude more CO2 previously, in optimum times for Earth life.

      The sea level rise has been surprisingly steady over the past century-plus, as measured by tide gauges (the only place sea level counts is on the shore). And ice levels are proving more resilient, especially in Antarctica and Greenland, than catastrophists have asserted. How much economic harm should be inflicted upon our host’s child, or my grandchildren, to support your Quixotic vision?

      It seems clear to me that had we had accurate (or any) satellite measures in the 1930s, there would be no “global warming” scare. But by picking the temperature cycle up in a low point, catastrophists can make a useful-seeming graph for their purposes.

      ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

      • The Mississipi basin flooded n 1927, and there was a severe drought in 1930. Those and regular concern for crops drive temperature and rainfall recording with good thermometers. I’ve not seen a Cassandra dataset relying on data published in the daily news at one location–at least none published since 1980. But I have seen no end of fraud and documendacity by ex-scientists in that same timeframe.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “Are we going to handicap that future with careless regard,”

      That seems to be what is happening with most energy systems around the world.

      They have been forced into near collapse by the anti-CO2 lies and agenda.

      The children of people that backed this farce will think their parents were complete imbeciles, and will curse them for the destruction of secure electricity systems.

      Those children will JUDGE the AGW scammers VERY harshly,

    • Jason Calley says:

      Hey mogur2013! “Are we going to handicap that future with careless regard, or are we going to look as hard as we can?”

      Sceptics HAVE looked — and found recurring CAGW fraud. Tony especially, has done extraordinary work in “looking hard”.

      And NASA? Here is what NASA scientists and astronauts say: “The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.” http://www.livescience.com/19643-nasa-astronauts-letter-global-warming.html

    • Winnipeg boy says:

      We should look very hard. Lets put a state of the art remote digital weather station on a 200 mile grid and cover the earth. Review in 20 years.
      But that would provide transparency. “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage” (Gruber). So they remove stations and replace with their own data.
      They handicap science with careless regard.

    • mogur2013 says … no, he asks, well, not really, actually, he doesn’t ask but rather he exclaims dramatically:

      ”You dare to claim that since Richard Feyman (sic) condemned NASA for underestimating the danger for Shuttle launches, that they are now lying about climate change? You, sir, are a charlatan, have you no shame? “

      1. No, Steven Goddard didn’t claim that and if you had any sense, you would not make this assertion. I assume even a progressive idiot can scroll to the top of the page and see that it is made up.

      2. Every time I hear someone imitate Joseph Welch and fake righteous indignation I’m fairly certain we’ve got another Progressive understudy.

      ”Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

      Your problem, mogur, is that there are people among the readers here who know the history of Fred Fisher and the National Lawyers Guild *). I don’t think you do. At least the last Progressive who tried to school me about McCarthyism told me that his hated anti-Communist villain was Senator Eugene McCarthy and that he was a member of the House Un-American Activities Committee.😀

      I can’t make up stupid like that. It has to grow organically in soils enriched by enough Progressive manure.

      Besides, you also fit the profile of every other Progressive nitwit that ever tried to use the expression on me. They use crude insults one moment and in the next they try to switch to Welch’s upper chamber oratory.

      Nothing says fake better than that.

      ——————–
      *) For your Progressive cell’s weekly study hour:

      The National Lawyers Guild behaved like every other front group of the international Communist movement controlled by Moscow. Their lockstep switch in position on Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich between August 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and June 1941 Operation Barbarossa was just like every other American Commie traitor’s public maneuvering. Dalton Trumbo’s back and forth “evolution” is another shining example from that time.

      And from more recent history, as a good Progressive you should know this attractive individual and NLG member attorney:

      She was lucky the judge was compassionate.

  13. The NASA “scientists” who worked on the Mars Climate Orbiter now work on Earth climate.
    What could go wrong?

  14. nancyg22 says:

    “This is about your daughter’s future.”

    I’m 58 years old and have been hearing the ‘think about the children’ meme my whole life. We’re still here and doing fine. When there is no logical argument they pull out the emotional argument.

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