Oldest Thickest Arctic Sea Ice Continues To Increase

From about 1988 to 2007, the Arctic lost large amounts of multi-year sea ice (MYI) due to winter winds blowing it out into the North Atlantic. That pattern has since reversed, and as you can see below, older and thicker ice is moving away from the Atlantic and into the Beaufort Sea, and becoming older and thicker.

Week 39 2015 to Week 16 2016

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Seven years ago, experts announced that all the MYI was gone, but they have had to move on to different scams to raise funding since then – because that one didn’t work out very well for them.

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Multiyear Arctic ice is effectively gone: expert | Reuters

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20 Responses to Oldest Thickest Arctic Sea Ice Continues To Increase

  1. Marsh says:

    Warmist propaganda is all about prophecies that rarely materialize & updates with new scam predictions ; given the repeat offences & weight of contrary evidence, wouldn’t you think, everyone would “wake up” to the Global Warming extremists by now.?
    ……………..
    One of the latest ploys is suggesting that China is considering using the NW Passage to reduce shipping distances to Europe ?? Problem is ; no one in business is taking that seriously.!

  2. Andy says:

    NSIDC say exactly the opposite

    ” In addition, the oldest ice, or ice at least 5 years or older, is at its smallest level in the satellite record, representing only 3 percent of the total ice cover. Some of this very old ice is found in the western Beaufort Sea and extending towards the Chukchi Sea regions where we have seen large summer ice losses in recent years. Typically this old ice is concentrated north of Greenland and within the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.”

    Will be interesting to see if the old ice moving into the Bauefort melts out this summer and is lost or whether it leads to a higher extent this summer as more difficult to melt.

    Andy

  3. Andy says:

    Note also the bottom chart shows that multiyear ice was pretty consistent until 2007 when it took a big hit, not as stated in the lead piece. Of course we know what happened in summer 2007.

    So it’s completely the opposite to what Steve / Tony says.
    Andy

    • cdqgfj says:

      Yes, lying for the cause. I have to feel pity for people who rely on sites like this to find out how the planet is doing, because they will remain totally mislead and clueless.

      [SG : Thanks for taking the bait]

      • AndyG55 says:

        Gees, how long do you think it will take to drop to the ZERO summer sea ice levels that occurred during the first 3/4 of the Holocene ?

        Until the Arctic alarmist ADMIT that the current level is actually anomalously HIGH.. then they/you are the ONLY ones LYING and misleading.

        • cdqgfj says:

          Pray tell which “natural cycle” could cause such a thing to happen? Certainly not Milankovic cycles? Anyway, weather-patterns will of course change if such monumental planetary change would take place.

        • andyw35 says:

          “Gees, how long do you think it will take to drop to the ZERO summer sea ice levels that occurred during the first 3/4 of the Holocene”

          Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand

          Andy

        • AndyG55 says:

          Totally relevant. We have Arctic alarmist mouthing off about insignificant changes in Arctic sea ice.. and by the look of it FABRICATED… trying to make some AGW point or other.

          Yet you refuse to look at the actual reality that the Arctic sea ice is ANOMOLOUSLY HIGH compared to the rest of the current interglacial.

          Its totally DECEITFUL of you both.

        • AndyG55 says:

          ” if such monumental planetary change would take place”

          It did.. it was called the Neoglaciation and the LIA. Started about 3000 years ago after a 7000 year period when the Earth was warmer by 3 – 4 degrees C, and Arctic sea ice was often zero during the northern summer. Neoglaciation took us down to the coldest period in the last 10,000 years, with a couple of bums called the RWP and MWP.

          We have been scrabbling to climb onto a minor hillock out of the dreaded period ever since. Of course the amount of sea ice in the Arctic is ANOMOLOUSLY HIGH.

        • AndyG55 says:

          oopss silly typo !!

          bumps… not bums. !

          “couple of bumps called the RWP and MWP”

        • gator69 says:

          Pray tell which “natural cycle” could cause such a thing to happen?

          The fact that you dopn’t know invalidates all climate models. It has happened before.

      • RAH says:

        “Record Sea Ice Low Predicted (Short Memories)
        https://sunshinehours.net/2016/04/21/record-sea-ice-low-predicted-short-memories/
        They are predicting a record low sea ice for 2016 because ” Comparably little new ice formed during the past winter.”
        Even though I am now using JAXA (because the NSIDC sensor problems) and Jaxa sea ice data only goes back to 2002, I’d like to point out two things.

        1. April 20th 2012 sea ice extent was highest ever (in history of Jaxa) as you can see below (the purple line) It wasn’t low ice in April that caused a record in 2012.


        2. The Great Arctic Cyclone 2012 Caused the Record Low. You can read my blog post here.

        https://sunshinehours.net/2012/09/18/great-arctic-cyclone-2012-caused-the-record-low/

        When one looks at the JAXA radial plot the prediction of a “new low” in summer extent for the Arctic are put in context for the unremarkable event it would be:

        • cdqgfj says:

          One storm did not cause the 2012 low, sea ice volume was already very low at the end of 2011:

          (volume is the thing to track, extent/area are just proxies)

        • RAH says:

          You really do track horse dung in where ever you go. The storm broke and scattered the sheet so that it melted much faster than it would have otherwise. To act as if volume and extent or area are unrelated is just asinine.

          And despite the lower extent in the Arctic in 2012 nothing bad happened and the Arctic ice gradually increased over the coming years as Antarctic sea ice set a new record Arctic sea ice had recovered enough that Global sea ice set a new record that year.

          The fact is that sea ice is a miserable indicator of climate or temperature because so many things effects every measurement. Wind speed and direction and waves can change the amounts and extent very quickly. Salinity even has it’s effect.

          BTW the latest BS model based study to try and bolster the Paris climate accords now says the effect of warming should show up in the Tropics first and not the Arctic.
          https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/22/splitting-degrees-to-say-a-half-of-degree-warming-matters/

        • AndyG55 says:

          Thing is that these tiny changes are INSIGNIFICANT and basically MEANINGLESS from a statistical point of view.

          And these tiny changes are especially meaningless when compared to the huge changes in the not too distant past with a massive increase from the often zero summer levels of the Holocene Optimum during the Neoglaciation period, then a decrease with AMO fluctuations, back down towards the levels of the MWP.

          Really old Norwegian whaling ship records put the current level probably at a bit more Arctic sea ice than towards the end of the MWP.

    • “We” know that Bush Administration asset-forfeiture looting caused such a sudden and tremendous flight of seed capital as it spread from country to country as to knock the wind out of capital investment and energy prices worldwide. If this was attended by a reversal of ice formation, it might be the first credible curbside observation that coercive meddling could result in anthropomorphic weather variations. But that would run counter to the theory that uncoerced economic activity is causing the sky to fall… Nevermind.

  4. AndyG55 says:

    OT…. On the topic of wind non-energy, enjoy this short story if you can access facebook 🙂

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