One thing we know for sure – is that political activists posing as scientists have tampered with the temperature database.
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So where is the detailed and scientific explanation for why the thermometers were reading too high in the past?
It is simple. CO2 was lower, and temperatures were higher. That proves that the thermometers were stupid and needed to be kicked in the rear.
Albert Einstein said – *if the facts don’t match the theory, change the facts*
No he didn’t lol
Well, if not by alarmists, Texas judges…
http://sonofsoylentgreen.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/holy-fucking-armadillo-shit-texas-judge-rules-atmosphere-is-a-public-trust/
In the southern summer of 1923/4, here in my home state, Marble Bar (Western Australia) set a world record of 160 consecutive days with the temperature over 100 deg F. We haven’t come near that since CO2 went over 350 ppm. Strange! I thought CO2 heated up the planet?
My guess is the guys in the Marble Bar hotel kept drinking beer and not panicking about TEOTWAWKI. So far after 90 years they were right.
Probably relevant for Andy to add that 160 days, while a record, wasn’t so different from usual – the average number over 100 deg. in Marble Bar being 154 each year. We can all dig up extreme weather events either on the hot or cold end. How does he explain the records from the same bureau of meteorology that show this summer being the hottest on record for the Australian continent as a whole, and the last two and a half decades being hotter than what was the average? (Strange? I thought CO2 didn’t heat up the planet?)
The question is what is happening to the climate? An extreme weather event – or the lack of such an event, in one place doesn’t answer that question.
Nothing is happening to the climate
Good morring all. I am curious to your response to this new study:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6124/1198.abstract?sid=574edc78-2eb7-4b18-91c2-db223cde68c6
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/03/were-screwed-11-000-years-worth-of-climate-data-prove-it/273870/
MC, aren’t you missing a Star Trek convention someplace?
Perhaps if you actually read this blog, you would know that I have responded to that in great detail in several posts.
Always the warm welcome!
I’ve looked around and seen your response to NOAA temperature readings. This study is new:
The climate has been warming since the industrial revolution, but how warm is climate now compared with the rest of the Holocene? Marcott et al. (p. 1198) constructed a record of global mean surface temperature for more than the last 11,000 years, using a variety of land- and marine-based proxy data from all around the world. The pattern of temperatures shows a rise as the world emerged from the last deglaciation, warm conditions until the middle of the Holocene, and a cooling trend over the next 5000 years that culminated around 200 years ago in the Little Ice Age. Temperatures have risen steadily since then, leaving us now with a global temperature higher than those during 90% of the entire Holocene.
I spent half the weekend on this and made quite a few posts. Here are a few
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/smoking-gun-that-the-new-hockey-stick-is-junk-science/
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/another-hockey-stick-smoking-gun/
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/yet-another-hockey-stick-smoking-gun/
MC – You have not look very hard as this subject has been addressed extensively. You are a waste of time as you are just trying to be provocative.
M>C>,
I give it the same reaction I gave to the “Hockey Stick” paper.
It contradicts DECADES of well established research on the existence of several major warm periods and undeniable periodicity of the peaks of the last few warming phases.
Your ignorance is vivid in this so why not do what I do is to read up on World History and learn about the well described periods where it was much warmer than usual that lasted for more than a couple centuries and the cold periods that were in between them.There is a reason why they have names on them.
http://globalwarmingskeptics.info/thread-1103-post-10003.html#pid10003
Try educating yourself fella.
That’s why I do come here to get your take on all this new data:
But the new report extends that research back much further, using evidence from the seafloor and from lake sediments to gauge past temperatures, not the tree rings previous researchers have used. “What’s striking,” said lead author Shaun Marcott of Oregon State University in an interview, “is that the records we use are completely independent, and produce the same result.”
The study is also truly global, based on records from 73 different locations around the world, not just regional. “As far as we know, this is the first time this has been done for the entire Holocene,” Marcott said. That’s the name of the period since the last of the great Ice Age glaciers melted back, which coincides with the rise of civilization.
The research aimed to understand whether the current warming is unprecedented in the Holocene period, or whether the same thing might have happened before, because of purely natural causes.
Based on the evidence, it has not. Since the ice sheets departed, the warming trend was found based on the chemical composition of ancient shellfish called foraminifera, variation in types of pollen extracted from lake sediments and other temperature-dependent measures. The data shows there was a long, gradual warmup for about 5,000 years, then a plateau of warm temperatures, and then an equally gradual cooling trend until about 200 years ago.
Marcott said that is in line with the gradual changes known as Milankovitch Cycles, caused by the Earth’s tilt and its orbit around the Sun. Based on where we are in those cycles, Marcott said, the planet should still be cooling. Not only is the Earth warming, it is warming much faster than a Milankovitch Cycle could possibly explain. “The temperature change is both too abrupt, and going in the wrong direction, to be natural” Marcott said.
You all sure get personal fast over this stuff! Calm down–we’re on the same planet together. Try to help me see what you see.
Their graph is impossible. It shows the Holocene Maximum 10,000 years ago – when Canada was still mostly covered with ice. That is a fatal error, and a smoking gun that their reconstruction is useless.
MC – “Try to help me see what you see.”
Problem is, your past behavior is on record. You are not sincere and therefore a waste of time.
He is trying to do the same thing Dr. Mann did is to try the impossible,overturning decades of research in several fields that clearly proves the existence of the named warming and cooling periods during the interglacial and have the data to back it up.
You have no idea how much you dont know about past research on this and did you see that Dr. Mann failed in his drive to rewrite climate history and I am sure Marcott will fail too.
Greenland Ice core data sure doesn’t see it:
New 4,000-year temperature reconstruction debunked
http://junkscience.com/2013/03/08/new-4000-year-temperature-reconstruction-debunked/
Another one based on a number of science research papers:
Easterbrook on the magnitude of Greenland GISP2 ice core data
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/24/easterbrook-on-the-magnitude-of-greenland-gisp2-ice-core-data/
Like I said you need to do a lot of background reading before you understand why the Marcott et all paper is being treated so harshly.
M>C> whines:
“You all sure get personal fast over this stuff! Calm down–we’re on the same planet together. Try to help me see what you see.”
WE tried hard the last time and you were a proven warmist/alarmist bullshitter so why should we believe you now?
That would be a negative on that. I am open to facts–I like to hear both sides. I gave data, asked questions, got a few answers, mostly not. BUT I got a TON of crap.in the process. What in hell is wrong with most of you to be so impatient and defensive?
Most alarmist blogs simply censor anyone who presents any actual science. Michael Mann censored me yesterday for pointing out what was wrong with the new hokey stick.
That’s not good. No reason to not listen, or to be rude in all this. It’s all too important.
How about this study?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130310163758.htm
Mar. 10, 2013 — An international team of 21 authors from 17 institutions in seven countries has just published a study in the journal Natural Climate Change showing that, as the cover of snow and ice in the northern latitudes has diminished in recent years, the temperature over the northern land mass has increased at different rates during the four seasons, causing a reduction in temperature and vegetation seasonality in this area. In other words, the temperature and vegetation at northern latitudes increasingly resembles those found several degrees of latitude farther south as recently as 30 years ago.
“Arctic plant growth during the early-1980s reference period equaled that of lands north of 64 degrees north. Today, just 30 years later, it equals that of lands above 57 degrees north — a reduction in vegetation seasonality of about seven degrees south in latitude,” says co-author Prof. Terry Chapin, Professor Emeritus, University of Alaska, Fairbanks. “This manner of analyses suggested a decline in temperature and vegetation seasonality of about four to seven degrees of latitude during the past 30 years,” says co-author Eugenie Euskirchen, Research Professor, University of Alaska, Fairbanks.