Trenberth : Warming No Longer Requires Warming

Global warming is continuing but it’s being manifested in somewhat different ways,” said Kevin Trenberth, of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research. Warming can go, for instance, to the air, water, land or to melting ice and snow.

Warmth is spreading to ever deeper ocean levels, he said, adding that pauses in surface warming could last 15-20 years.

Oceans may explain slowdown in climate change: study – News – AM 590 – FM 96.5 | WKZO Everything Kalamazoo

Global warming water heats and sinks to the bottom of the ocean undetected.

In the private sector, people are prosecuted for lying. In the public sector, they get promoted.

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35 Responses to Trenberth : Warming No Longer Requires Warming

  1. Fred from Canuckistan . . . says:

    Maybe the warming can occupy the void between the ears of scientists.

    The smart ones have looked everywhere else for the missing heat.

  2. Andy Oz says:

    Politicians even become a President or Prime Minister through lying! Juliar knows she lied about “no carbon tax”. Obviously double standards between the private and public sectors.

  3. NoMoreGore says:

    Perhaps Kevin thinks the warming is hiding behind the moon, together with “The Mother Ship”. http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/heavens%20gate%20cult

  4. kbray in california says:

    So this hidden heat in the oceans will escape some day in the future causing the seas to boil.

    Hansen and Trenberth remind me of Laurel and Hardy… I just have to laugh.

  5. Edmonton Al says:

    Looks as if Trenberth is on par with Gore and Hansen, who are two of the biggest buffoons I have ever witnessed. Talk about desperation…………good grief Charlie Brown

  6. Robert Austin says:

    What? I guess that the lack of warming is no longer a “travesty”. Apparently Gaia is bypassing the atmosphere and upper oceans via a secret heat conduit directly to the briny deeps. Warmed water sinks, who’d have thought it.

  7. Brian G Valentine says:

    When people become adults they learn to say “I was wrong.”

    They don’t make up preposterous excuses like they were six years of age and expect people to believe them, and yell and blame and accuse when their stories are called “preposterous”

  8. nigelf says:

    Global warming lies are continuing but it’s being manifested in somewhat different ways

  9. Das says:

    “it’s being manifested in somewhat different ways,” Exactly! It’s manifested in Global COOLING! Don’t you rednecks understand that cooling is PROOF of Global Warming!
    DAS

  10. bkivey says:

    I can’t wait to try that at work:

    “Why is this project late/over-budget?”

    “The project is actually on-time/on-budget, the metrics are just manifesting themselves in different ways.”

  11. This is laughable…When I was a kid, we had a passive hot water tank in the kitchen, connected to our coal stove water jacket. Cold water went in one pipe and hot water came out the other, and it rose to the top of the tank. In the morning, we would always touch the top of the tank to see if we had hot water….There was no pump or anything, everyone knows : hot water rises : soooo, now to explain the :” missing heat ” …oh it defies the laws of physics and sinks to the bottom of the ocean…another desperate comment from a desperate movement. ( religion)

  12. Eric Barnes says:

    “pauses in surface warming could last 15-20 years.”
    until 15-20 years have passed and then it will be 25-30 years.
    It must be nice to have that sort of flexibility.

  13. The science is settled except when it’s not.

  14. “…“Global warming is continuing but it’s being manifested in somewhat different ways,” said Kevin Trenberth, of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research. Warming can go, for instance, to the air, water, land or to melting ice and snow…”

    Sounds like an exercise in a Creative Writing course.

    But I’d like to ask them how this “warming” decides which path to take. Is there some kind of “climate career counselor” that tells it which courses it needs to take in order to get its degree in Air Temperature Warming, or go for the lower course in Melting Ice And Snow.

    Either way, if you decided to go for the PhD in Surface Warming, be warned it could take anywhere from 17 to 20 years before you see any progress.

  15. Chewer says:

    I’m sure NBC news will clarify his remarks into an easy to understand & believable story.

  16. Chewer says:

    This is what happens when they lay awake all night thinking about the crowds carrying pitchforks and torches, hunting them down for their heinous crimes against humanity!

  17. Gary Williams says:

    This is getting really silly….. In Science, (real science I mean) when the theory is shown so completely to be wrong, the scientists go back to the drawing board.
    Here we have “scientists” now making up ridicules nonsense in a desperate effort to hang on to the momentum of a political movement.
    I can only surmise that they have been offered a huge payout if an only if the plan succeeds and the UN gets their “new world order”. Or the Western Economies are ruined.
    so… Who is paying them?

    • PUCK says:

      Gary
      Who is paying them?

      A: the tax payer, rich ONGs and millionaires. Maybe the AGW people never had any real scientific concern. The Hockey Stick may have been fabricated as the main AGW propaganda tool in the elaboration of THE APOCALYPSE followed by the implementation of their AGENDA.
      Thanks to FOIA and brilliant skeptical brains the hockey stick is dead, the pure scientific phase is over. Now skeptical brains could focus on the people and orgs behind the hoax, avoiding running into a trap ,wasting time in minor sideline issues as the amount of negative or positive forcings of this or that factor ( there are a vast number of factors affecting the climate,most of them unknown) or the heat hiding at the bottom of the oceans..
      An early sample of the AGENDA can be found in the journal The Ecologist- A Blueprint for Survival, Vol 2, No 1 , January 1972. “ soon or later our society” (our western civilization) “ will end among famines, epidemics, social crisis and wars”. Missing in this well elaborated document is the impact of a visual, publicity effective element such as a hocking stick, a CO2 scare and a burning Earth showing all this on a very scientific like color graphics.

  18. alex says:

    Yep, warm water sinks and cold water rises. Who knows, maybe the Higg’s boson is doing tricks with gravitational forces, or maybe angels are grabbing the warm water molecules, one by one, and diving down to the deepest oceans hiding them from us mere mortals..

    Yes, liars do get promoted in these days of post-normal science.

    There’s no correlation whatsoever between CO2 levels and global average temperatures. The only correlation that I can find is between the investments by tax-subsidising green energy systems and economic meltdown.

  19. AlecM says:

    Trenberth needs to prove his assertions. This is because the only way he could be correct is if he has proof that the oceans are becoming saltier at constant temperature.

    Interested people should review the UNESCO equation of state for water and the partial molar heat of mixing of the salts and water.

  20. gator69 says:

    It is time to rescind the credentials of any warmists.

  21. robert barclay says:

    I’m going to keep saying this till somebody listens. You cannot pass physical heat through the surface of water because it will be blocked by surface tension. AGW is a physical nonsense.

  22. John Edmondson says:

    How does the atmosphere heat the ocean? The ocean contains 4000 times more heat (energy) than the atmosphere.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/06/energy-content-the-heat-is-on-atmosphere-vs-ocean/

    Isn’t that like saying that if you dump a wheel barrow full of ice into a swimming pool it will freeze over?

  23. Glacierman says:

    That’s the first thing they teach you in grade school science – That warm water expands and rises , while cold water contracts and sinks, then you go to graduate school for Climate Scientists and learn how it was all just a big joke that the enlightened few have perpatrated on the rest of the world and it is really just the opposite……..at least that is what you are taught to say when they can’t find the missing heat that Trenberth’s silly models said should be there.

  24. Jimbo says:

    This is the sign that it will soon be over. But not for Trenberth who will be in his 80s and still looking for the missing heat. Sad really. :(

  25. richard says:

    funny how they miss the heat returned to space undetected.

  26. Justa Joe says:

    By Kevin Trenberth’s reasoning one could say that it has been warming since the dawn of man it’s just that the warmth maifests itself in different ways.

    If the AGW warmth basically just resembles the same weather that we’ve always had how does that produce the wild eyed catastrophes the warmists are always blathering about.

  27. rw says:

    Once this is all over, these guys can hire themselves out as spin doctors.

  28. rw says:

    If we had some intelligent social scientists, it would be interesting to know something more about the way the stories are presently diverging and who now says what. Clearly, some people are still pushing the hottest-decade-on-record line and trying to ignore the present cooling, while others are re-positioning themselves.

  29. graphicconception says:

    Arguably, the most useful thing about science is that it can make predictions. Predicting that “… pauses in surface warming could last 15-20 years.” after 15-20 years of such pausing is not science.

  30. Floats to the bottom undetected? Doesn’t that mean (according to science) ‘it isn’t there?’

  31. Mervyn says:

    These climate charlatans just don’t give up. They keep coming up with another theory to cover their arses. I just want to remind everyone about what sort of scientist Trenberth is by reproducing a climategate email of his in which he accuses the real data measurements of being wrong rather than the models and the IPCC hypothesis about dangerous man-made global warming. Read carefully the third paragraph of his email! Here goes:

    From: Kevin Trenberth

    To: Michael Mann 

    Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate

    Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600

    Cc: Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , “Philip D. Jones” , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt , James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer

    Hi all

    Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing weather).

    Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth’s global energy. Current Opinion in Environmental Sustainability, 1, 19-27, doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [1][PDF] (A PDF of the published version can be obtained from the author.)

    The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

    That said there is a LOT of nonsense about the PDO. People like CPC are tracking PDO on a monthly basis but it is highly correlated with ENSO. Most of what they are seeing is the change in ENSO not real PDO. It surely isn’t decadal. The PDO is already reversing with the switch to El Nino. The PDO index became positive in September for first time since Sept 2007. See [2]http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/GODAS/ocean_briefing_gif/global_ocean_monitoring_c urrent.ppt

    Kevin

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