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Nice they referenced you.
Would you expect Fox to reference a real science site? Get real.
Would one expect a moron like you to recognize science?
Would you know that every lie and distortion on this site has been refuted, most very long ago? Would you know that those refutations are unacknowledged while the lies and distortions remain?
Would you know that you’re nothing but conspiracy theorists, no different than moon landing hoaxers, 9/11 truthers, or creationists, who think that an hilariously improbable global conspiracy of essentially all relevant scientists (there’re always a few cranks in every field; more when there’s wealthy interests willing to pay for anti-science), every relevant scientific body, and every national science academy on the planet, but unquestioninglly believe proven lies from fossil-fuel funded propaganda organizations that DO NO SCIENCE?
You should probably read the content before copying and pasting stupid crap on other people’s blogs.
Suggest you start with the “Radiative heat transfer” by Michael F Modest… DO THE READING and learn what properties is possible for CO2 under the temperatures and pressures you find in the Earth’s athmosphere… Hard to read? then go back to “University Physics” and DO YOUR HOMEWORK !!!
If you have an issue – then state it. Your copy/paste rant is a complete waste of time.
Why do these people get to post any shit they want to here and I am barred from Real Climate, Think Progress, etc
I notice after reading a half dozen pages on this site that you (yes you kyle) are on here commenting constantly. Instead of trying to distract & disrupt Steve’s work, why don’t you go and start up your own blog ?? Ah , but thats not what you’re about is it ?? You are here with your ” . . every lie and distortion on this site has been refuted, most very long ago?” Tell ya what – put all the “distortions (fuck thats rich – a warmist talking about distortions !!) in a nice column then put down all your “proof” beside each one.
I took the time to read 20 randomly selected emails from the UEA email dump. I thought if there’s anything “sus” in here it would show up in at least one surely. Two of them aroused my interest and further reading of replies etc soon proved to me that these guys had been manipulating data . . DELETING data and woe betide any scientist that didn’t agree wholeheartedly they went out of their way to sabotagethem, to get funding denied, started whispering campaignes against them. It made for disgusting reading so my advise to you is go play somewhere else Your craps not needed here !
Gosh. Looks as if the AGW folks are still hoping for another year of government funds before we finally run them all out of town on a rail. Maybe they could party with the Y2K crown and the Population Bomb boys in la la land ?
They’ve rescheduled the party on their Mayan calenders.
The science is not on your side. This denier’s lies are exposed elsewhere, but confirmation bias and ideology prevents you from consuming real science – or accepting it if you do. You either willingly believe the lie that there is controversy within science, or if you don’t, you simply dismiss all of science with a ridiculously improbable global conspiracy theory. Yet you ignore the open secret that essentially all climate denial flows from fossil fuel funded “think tanks” (disinformation units) that do no science.
I dare you nitwits to go to the real science and find out why you’re duped; assuming that you have the background necessary to understand any of it.
Cut and paste moron.
You’re a denier Steve… Gaia will punish you for your sins. Accept the One Truth. Only your ideology, bias and all round evilness prevents you from accepting the One True Religion. You will burn as a heretic I tell you! Burn burn! You are angry with Gaia, and Gaia is more of an Old Testament sort of God, so he will punish you.
I make a good eco-worrier don’t I?
Listen up, Goddard. I didn’t copy anything. And I did read it. That’s why I know it’s crap.
I note that neither you or anyone else who responded did so with anything more substantive than your content-free jabs. Most telling, no one even acknowledged my challenge.
Not that I would expect science deniers to debate in good faith even if they swore to do so.
For the Love of Mother Earth, start thinking about “Ancient Geo Engineering”……Like hello is everyone on this planet stupid enough to believe that the Pyramids are TOMBS?
Like Hello one more time for possible penetration into the dense minds of Earthlings The pyramids on the Giza plateau control the Hawaiian hot spot. Now why would a bunch of Highly advanced intelligent beings want to control a Volcano.? anyone.? yes you in the back.! what’s that you say? Thats correct….! did you hear that people.? Your not as stupid as you look down here after all. The semi bright human in the back said to control temperatures by controlling ASH discharge into the atmosphere. Very Good..Grass hopper! And how do we do this with Giza Plateau Pyramids on the approximate same latitude of the Hawaiian Hot Spot on the other side of the planet…? yes, yes, spit it out son! By gravity control..! very good, my son, very good, by gravity control, Now how do you disable a pyramid that was set up to control the temperatures on Earth? right again you open them up and turn them into amusement parks, And how do we place the pyramids back on line? yes, yes, Right again! We repair the damage CRAZY humans did to the Earths thermostats i.e. the Great Pyramids of Giza the book “Pyramid Gravity Force” the only answer to CLIMATE CHANGE…………..Shaughnessy’s law of Gravity AMC2=S explains the Hexagontum physics mechanics of gravity on a planet such as Earth, wake up and smell the coffee……People…..
What are you smoking?
Looks like somebody forgot their Reynolds Wrap fedora.
This is what happens when people lock themselves in their parents basement playing XBox all day.
Climate Change Consensus Bubble Burst By The Facts At Near 95% Confidence Level
Holy crap! Is that ever a load of shite, and transparently so. Does this stuff really impress you guys? Are you that ignorant of basic logic? You don’t even have to know any science to recognize utterly fallacious arguments. I don’t know what the max. comment length is, but even a concise listing of the whoppers in that article would likely exceed it.
The real question is, “Should I bother?” Are deniers even capable of processing any refutation, even ones that show that arguments are prima facie invalid because they are logically incoherent? I’ve tried many times and I’ve yet to find a denier that will engage honestly. They usually will claim that black is white before admitting that ANY denier argument was wrong even when it has been proven with metaphysical certitude. Sometimes they simply withdraw but I’ve never – I repeat – NEVER experienced a denier that would say, “Yes, that anti-climate science argument was clearly based on an error/lie/fallacy; I suggest that we retract it and dissuade others from using it in the future.”
So, will anyone here step up and swear that you will engage with intellectual honesty?
Did you suffer a head injury recently?
You will burn from the heat of global warming if you deny the One Truth.
Did you think that any of your three infantile jabs covers up the fact that you’ve not addressed any content or acknowledged my challenge? Hmmm?
It appears that you all recognise that that link was to incoherent BS for dummies and that you can’t support any of your science denial. Not a True Believer in the bunch? Not one Dunning-Kreuger Special that thinks he’s smarter than a million PHD’s?
What a shocker.
Only a complete moron would claim that a huge mass of content is false – without raising one single specific objection. Did you suffer a head injury recently?
Only an embicile would demand that I expend the effort without the aforementioned assurance that they would acknowledge refutations, support their claims, and use logical arguments.
“Only an embicile(sic)”
Says it all, really.
And above all, cease using an argument when it is refuted by science or when no science could be presented to support it.
Thanks for the collected manipulations, Steve. It is quite a compilation. I recognize many of the charts from various publications. It is interesting that number of people involved in manipulation of the US data is quite small and they seem to know each other. The trends in the adjustments are always in the same direction.
Time is on the skeptical side of course. With the sun going quiet it is likely the IPCC will only get in one more report before the rats jump ship in numbers. Presumably by then there will be an international energy tax in place and the purpose will have been served. People can then focus on keeping warm and fed.
The sun is most definitely not “going quiet”. The recent warming has been during a prolonged period of waning solar output, which has somewhat offset GHE warming. these are facts, deniers.
I see that Kyle Towers now presumes to speak for the Sun.
Steve is right: Towers is a moron…
…as is everyone else who relies on the emotional word “denier”, in place of rational thinking.
What, exactly, are people “denying”? I don’t deny that the climate always changes — naturally. And I do not deny that Kyle is a complete moron, or an “embicile” [whatever that non-word means].
See? I’m no denier. ☺
Kyle’s central problem is that the planet is not agreeing with his predictions of climate doom. Nothing either unusual or unprecedented is occurring. Everything we observe right now has happened repeatedly in the past, and to much greater extremes — and during times when CO2 was a lot lower.
So who should we believe? Kyle Towers, moron? Or Planet Earth?
Because they cannot both be right.
The sun has been cooling for 35 yrs. Go to skepticalscience for all the links to primary sources (that’s “science” for you deniers).
As for your moronic “climate changed before, therefore the science is wrong” idiocy? That’s stupid denier fallacious argument #1. How effin’ stupid are you nutters?
Kyle, did you hit your head on the pavement recently?
Steve, I take your content-free jab as another concession. You know the sun cannot possibly be the forcing factor at work and you know I have the facts to back it up.
As I said long ago, deniers are incapable of ever admitting that any denier argument has ever failed. Thus, you hurl infantile insults instead of engaging on the substance.
Aha! The Maunder Minimum and Little Ice Age never occurred! Thanks for clearing that up.
Smartass remarks do not defeat the facts. 35 yrs of waning solar output. I told you where to look for links to actual science. You ignore the science. Forget about refuting it!
Sunspot count at 2000 peak was over 150. Less than half that today.
Remarkably, it has been cooling since 2000! Well surprise, surprise, surprise!
I see that you are either confusing issues or switching horses. Solar output and solar flare activity are not the same thing nor do they make for viable proxies for each other.
Assuming that you are knowingly arguing inre sunspots, then I must assume that you are giving great weight to “theories” that sunspots indirectly cause warming via another mechanism. None of these have gathered 1/1000 the evidence for things which you dismiss. That’s confirmation bias in a nutshell.
Nice use of the Big Lie. No warming since 2000? Yet 9 of the 10 warmist years are since 2000. Is this new math or will you simply invoke the conspiracy theory to explain away the facts?
I see that you are either confusing issues or switching horses.
come on Kyle….it’s easy, it’s basic physics, the evidence is convincing to rational people, the basic physics is confirmed by actual observation…
…and it’s all fed into some computer game
Name one prediction the computer games got right?
Not one of you science denying conspiracy theorists was even willing to pretend to engage honestly. I accept your collective concessions.
I especially liked the complete dodge with ad hom by the grammar cop. Could he have made his attempt to deflect and distract any more transparent?
You denier scum are losers. The only question remaining is which of you are duped losers and which are paid shill losers.
Ouch. Why so angry Kial? Is it because your grant was cancelled?
I love the “paid shills” jibe. Considering the irony of trillions in carbon credits collected from honest taxpayers by your puppet masters in London.
Nenana was an all time record, Antarctic is at record ice extent and the Arctic is normal and you are still worried about Warming? The Australian carbon tax worked! It took only 2 years! That’s why Australia will repeal it this September. There’s no need to worry anymore. Temps have “plateaued”.
Thanks for that, denier loser. A quick analysis:
First, the content-free blather: “Ouch. Why so angry Kial? Is it because your grant was cancelled? I love the “paid shills” jibe. Considering the irony of trillions in carbon credits collected from honest taxpayers by your puppet masters in London.”
Then the lies and distortions: ” Nenana was an all time record, (wtf?) Antarctic is at record ice extent (lie) and the Arctic is normal (lie) and you are still worried about Warming?
Politics instead of science: “The Australian carbon tax worked! It took only 2 years! That’s why Australia will repeal it this September. There’s no need to worry anymore.”
Bare Assertion that cannot be supported: ” Temps have “plateaued”.”
The key points are that you aren’t willing to promise to debate honestly either and present no science.
The science is against you, deniers. All you do is cherry-pick, distort, make fallacious arguments, smack talk, and outright lie. Your position is that science is a global conspiracy but the fossil fuel funding (quite possibly behind this dufus’ blog) of a hundred “think tanks” that do no science is above reproach. Got it. ;o)
You sound like you need a psychiatrist
Kial, you are sounding like a troll from the Rapid Response team. And to be honest, I’ve seen Steven delete entire threads and spam posters for less than the raft of comments that you have typed so far. Steven allows posters plenty of rope. However, if you are not a troll, you’d need to tone down your language before anyone would respond without just writing you off.
You said I lied about a few things. Interesting observation. Would you care to explain why these are incorrect?
Arctic Sea Ice extent is normal right now, at least that’s what the chart says.
Antarctic Sea Ice is record extent. Or is NSIDC a bunch of “liars”? And that’s without showing this years chart which is more than last year but it’s here on Steve’s site.
I said Temperatures have plateaued. The UK Met Office and the head of the IPCC have both announced in the last 6 months that Global temperatures have not increased since the late 1990′s. Are they wrong or are they not scientists?
Over to you Kial.
Only the willfully ignorant can misconstrued things so as to assert no warming in 15 yrs when the 10 warmist years are in those 15.
Their argument, should they bother to make one, will come down to conspiracy theories. They always do in the end. All science denial, such as creationism, is just another conspiracy theory.
If you had been paying attention in your first semester calculus class, you would know that the first derivative at a local maximum is zero.
Magnitude tells you nothing about direction.
Nice dodge. Now get back to the matter at hand.
Nice dodge. Now get back to the matter at hand.
Latitude – say something intelligible. The onus is on you to show how predictions have been so wrong as to refute the science. And yes, the physics is damn simple. That’s why it’s been understood for 150 yrs. That’s why the first US president briefed on it was Eisenhower.
Kyle blathered: And yes, the physics is damn simple.
Kyle blathered: The evidence is convincing to rational people without them. It’s pretty basic physics.
come on Kyle….basic physics should be so easy for a computer game to model…cake walk
every prediction came out of some computer game
tell us what happened…..name one prediction, just one….that the computer games got right
July 27, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Latitude – say something intelligible. The onus is on you
thank you…you can’t do it
I’m off to Dairy Queen
Latitude – Yes, the onus is on you. You have made a positive claim. You need to support it. You seem to think that NO predictions have been “correct” per some std, which is nonsense. I could post any number of predictions and have no idea on what grounds you’ll dismiss them. That’s a fools game. Basic rules of logic require you to support your claim – make your argument. I accept your concession.
I made no claims at all….I asked you a simple question
Name one computer game prediction that was correct…
….you can’t do it
Latitude – you can repeat your idiocy ’till the cows come home but will still be inverting the basics of logic and rhetoric. No matter how you phrase it, you’re claiming that the GSM’s have yielded predictions so flawed that the entire findings of climate science should be dismissed. You’ve refused to elaborate in any way. It’s a BS claim and you know it, thus you’ll not give any specifics for me to address.
The basic findings have been warming, more warming at high latitudes, at night, and I’m winter. All have been supported by observations. Apparently, you think there are fatal problems with them, bit are too dishonest to tell me why – or even what they are.
I accept your concession.
ROTFL…..still can’t give one example
The science is settled that you are nuts.
Well, Goddard, you sound like someone desperately avoiding an honest debate. What’s the matter? Could it be that you know you’re lying?
Lying about what?
None of you deniers will agree to debate honestly. The reason is clear – because you’re being maximally deceptive. I’m too busy to disentangle the same denier lies yet again. You won’t acknowledge any of it anyway. So go ahead and declare victory. You would regardless. Congratulations on having lies with more stamina than the truth.
I hope you all fry in hell. Oops, that’s right, we all get to upon you. So much for individual choice.
kyle you just arent bright enough to understand what we are talking about
I don’t believe in heaven or hell as you alarmist religious types seem to do so your insult is really just hot air. I believe in the sun and the earth. I can see both of those. I’m big on that. Helps with credibility.
Steven again flings poo because he has no valid arguments.
I’m not qualified to give you the brain surgery you require.
Yo, Andy, I’m an atheist. You on the other hand are on the side of all the fundamentalist science deniers. You know the type – Jebus rode a triceratops and gawd promised not to destroy the Earth, so climate science is a global conspiracy.
Steven, you’re clearly not qualified to debate science. You prove it every time you make science-free comments and run from the facts.
Thanks for responding precisely as I predicted.
This isn’t a debate, Kyle. “The science is settled”so you alarmists keep saying. I was totally unimpressed by Obama’s speech. His answer to all imaginary problems is to increase taxes , just like Julia Gillards was even after she lied outright to all Australians before the last election. She has now been banished and so soon will the stupid Aussie Carbon Tax. People don’t like leaders who tax the crap out of them for imaginary threats. They eventually sack them. Perhaps you should watch the Great Global Warming Swindle on youtube. It’s very enlightening with lots of real science.
poor Kyle….he’s been bamboozled by computer games…..that have been wrong about everything they predicted
Just as wrong as the first million times that denier scum wrote off the science as being only simulations. Far from it. The evidence is convincing to rational people without them. It’s pretty basic physics. That’s why we’ve
every prediction is from computer games…
…name one prediction the computer games got right
Many predictions have been quite good, but you ignore the fact that the basic physics is confirmed by actual observation. Predictions of future climate are one thing; today’s climate is not a prediction. (Though it once was and is toward the extreme end of them.)
you’re doing exactly what you have accused Steven of doing….
Latitude – you name a prediction that you consider to be fatally flawed. So flawed that all the science should be dismissed. Local impacts are not sufficient. Short term timing discrepancies aren’t either. Nor is a 30% error if the error bands were +/- 50%.
Latitude – you repeat yourself, so I shall, too.
Name a prediction sufficiently wrong to refute the science and defend said conclusion using SCIENTIFICALLY VALID arguments.
thank you….you can’t do it
Again, denier ftards, please address these simple facts and square them with your science denial:
1) Human CO2 contributions are 130+ times that of the largest geological source, volcanism.
2) Atmospheric CO2 concentration is rising 100+ times faster than at any time in the 800,000 yr historical record.
And no warming for 17 years! Go figure.
Big Lie! Go figure!
1) All 10 warmist years are in those 17.
2) The statistical tests show 18 yrs to he the minimum for detecting the trend at 95% CL. Congratulations for being the first denier scum to actually use it (too bad it’s a bald-faced lie). Usually they rant about 10, 12, 13, 15, or 16 yrs, oivious to the fact that they’re not just wrong, they’re statistically invalid!
IQ test for you Kyle.
If a sheep is walking near the top of hill, is he climbing or descending?
IQ test for you, Steven – What makes you think you can detect an inflection point in a time period smaller than that required to even detect slope?!
What a MORON!!!
IQ test for you Kyle. Why would you trust climate models when they are all catastrophically incorrect?
Another nice dodge. LOL. I accept your concession inre the inflection point, denier scum.
Now, explain precisely what it is that you find in the model predictions that is fatal to the science and why. If you can’t even formulate a cogent argument, I feel now need to try to guess at it and then refute it.
You appear to be suffering some mental health issues. Are you getting professional help for them?
And you appear incapable of dealing with your last implosion. Your graph in no way deals with the requirements for statistical significance even if it were the appropriate graph.
Also, you make it clear every time you fling poo instead of making and supporting a scientific argument that deniers are anti-science.
Statistical significance of a slope of zero (i.e. no correlation)? Have you taken any mathematics past high school?
Kyle blathered: The evidence is convincing to rational people without them. It’s pretty basic physics.
come on Kyle….basic physics should be so easy for a computer game to model…cake walk
every prediction came out of some computer game
2. wrong….look it up
1) You’re wrong because the oceans are absorbing enough heat that the trend is greater when they’re included.
2) I have, many times. That’s why I know I’m right. Where’s your science to the contrary?
What I’ve mainly gleaned from this little ballyhoo is that someone named Kyle believes:
A) that there exist only ten “warmist” years in the temperature record; and
B) that a “GSM” is some kind of climate model, instead of a telecommunication standard; and
C) that the flinging of any “poo” in a science-related debate is definitive proof of the flinger being anti-science.
If CO2 is 400 ppm and water vapor in the tropics can be up to 4% of the atmosphere, it means water vapor is 40,000 ppm in the tropics which is 100 times more than CO2. But it’s 100 times more by weight, and weight is not what matters, it’s the number of molecules that matters. And since a CO2 molecule is 2.5 times heavier than a H2O molecule, it means there are 250 times more water vapor molecules in tropical air than CO2 molecules. And since each water molecule is a BETTER absorber of infrared than a CO2 molecule, I’m figuring that water vapor is 300 times more important as a greenhouse gas than CO2 in the tropics. And since the tropics is where earth gets most of its sunlight, I am here to say that CO2 is a negligible greenhouse gas. The greenhouse effect on earth is caused by water vapor, period. All the other gases don’t amount to a hill of shizzle. The northern hemisphere is warming. The southern hemisphere is cooling. Since the CO2 in each hemisphere is the same, it’s not the CO2, stupid.
I’m here to tell you that you’re not smarter than a million PHDs. every Dunning-Kreuger Effect moron thinks they’ve figured out where the entire global scientific community made a mistake. Yours is but one of dozens of entirely different supposed “fatal flaws” in the science. The scientists know what you just spouted (assuming you haven’t made an error, which isn’t a good assumption) and 10,000 times more that you can;t even imagine. Think that they all missed something basic like this says NOTHING about the science and EVERYTHING about you.
Now, assumining you aren’t in error, what you missed – BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT A CLIMATE SCIENTIST – includes:
1) Water concentration is high in the tropics at low altitudes. At higher altitudes, the air is exceptionally cold all over the globe and exceptionally dry. Also, the high, thin atmosphere extends many times further than the low, dense atmosphere. The CO2 at high altitudes dominates the CO2 GHE.
2) The Earth is 70% covered with water to an average depth of two miles and most of the remaining 30% is relatively wet. There is many orders of magnitude more water than needed to fully saturate the air at ANY temperature up to that at which the oceans boil away. Therefore, the water content of the air is in equilibrium with this vast source of water at any prevailing conditions. IOW, water is a DEPENDENT variable; dependent on temperature, mostly. If you are positing that water is an INDEPENDENT variable, then, as with CO2, you need to demonstrate an increase in water vapor that is NOT simply equilibrium seeking; NOT caused by warming. All you’ve done here is show that water vapor is a positive feedback that amplifies the effect initiated by the CO2.
You are so stupid it boggles. Water vapor is indeed concentrated in the tropics, which is where the sun shines so that’s where it matters. Water vapor is indeed concentrated at lower elevations, which is where the greenhouse effect warms the surface, so that’s where it matters. You say the CO2 at high altitudes dominates the GHE up there where it doesn’t matter, well yes, that’s why it’s so cold up there…because CO2 doesn’t amount to a hill of shizzle. You are a typical libtard warmtard. The million PhD’s know a lot, but they lie. AGW is a trillion dollar industry. They lie because they want your money. They lie for the same reason your hookers say you are handsome.
Now to discuss your rant about water being a dependent variable and how deep the oceans are and that water vapor is in equilibrium with liquid and all that….none of that matters. All that matters is the water vapor is in the atmosphere. I don’t care how it got there. I don’t care if it came from the sea, or if it was blown in by a giant water breathing dragon. It’s there and it absorbs infrared. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a positive feedback for CO2 because CO2 doesn’t amount to a hill of shizzle. The GHE is initiated by CO2? You are a warmtard because I already showed that the GHE is initiated, mediated, and finalized by water vapor. If all the CO2 in the atmosphere went away, the temperature of the earth would be .000000000001 degrees colder because CO2 doesn’t amount to a hill of shizzle.
Just to do a little math for you. The IPCC and other warmtards are in consensus that increasing the CO2 from pre-industrial levels of 270 to today’s 400 ppm added 0.8 ℃ to the earth’s surface. That means doubling it from pre-industrial levels (increasing it from 270 to 540) would add another .8 for a total of 1.6 ℃. With me so far? So, every doubling of CO2 adds 1.6 degrees and if we throw in methane, nitrates, sulfates, and freon, let’s round off to 2 degrees C. Still with me? But we find in Michael McElroy’s bible of atmospheric chemistry that earth’s greenhouse effect raises surface temperatures from 255 K to 290 K so it adds 35 ℃. Of that 35 degrees of C, we figured out just now that all non-H2O greenhouse gases are responsible for 2 degrees, right? The other 33 degrees can’t be accounted for because H2O isn’t even a greenhouse gas, according to you. The rest of us have it accounted for. My calculator says 33 out of 35 is around 94% but all you warmtards pretend H2O doesn’t account for 94%, you say it’s some other ridiculous number like, oh… you just said H2O is just a variable that amplifies the really important 1.6 degrees from CO2. Have I made you feel stupid yet?
Let me rephrase my statement:
prev. statement: If all the CO2 in the atmosphere went away, the temperature of the earth would be .000000000001 degrees colder because…
rephrase: If all the CO2 in the atmosphere went away, the temperature of the earth would be
1.6 degrees colder because…
Unlike globetards, I believe in accuracy so I autocorrect
Rephrase again so the lietards don’t shill me:
The 1.6℃ is if pre-industrial CO2 went away. Tiny bit more if current CO2 (390 ppm, down from 400 this May) went away. This is what real scientists like me believe. I took every science class in the book and got straight A’s, but Kyle thinks Al Gore is a scientist God so he listens to him not me. That’s why Kyle got fired from his job cleaning bathrooms at Wal☺Mart
Oh bad Morgan – it looks as though you scared the wee kylie away…..Or was he assigned to another “denier” site by his handlers at Climate Consensus Central Command
This is a test. All of my comments that exposed the denial industry lies were deleted weeks ago at the same instant that I was blocked from commenting further. Goddard being denier scum, left my earlier posts up and made no mention of deletions or blocking. That’s how science deniers rig the game.
Australia cooks, Sydney may have hottest October day ever.
Daily record high for Delta Junction, Alaska beat the old record by 19 degrees.
Delta Junction, Alaska recorded its warmest temperature ever for Oct. 28 at a steamy 62 degrees. This soars above the time the mercury topped out at 43 degrees in 1962.
You can’t possibly be as stupid as you pretend to be.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Real Science
Kyle, I have read your posts, and must agree…you are off your Meds. I too would like you to present a working climate model with about 3-5 years of Pre and post readings with a 95% or better accuracy across the spectrum. Your flimsy catch-phrase “I accept your concessions” makes you sound like a spoiled child. I am sorry that the earth isn’t a burnt up wasteland yet, and that you are wasting your life arguing on the losing side, but hey…facts are facts and your don’t have any on your side.
GISS fraud of Holar Hornafirdi, Iceland.
GISS fraud of Teigarhorn, Iceland
GISS fraud of Akureyri, Iceland
GISS fraud of Keflavik, Iceland
GISS fraud of Stykkisholmur, Iceland
GISS fraud of Thorshavn, Faeroe Islands.
Time travel at Grimsey, Iceland.
Interestingly, CRUtem3 and GISS show the same 5 year data shift for Grimsey, Iceland.
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