Gun Control Has Been Used By Governments To Kill More Than 50 Million Of Their Own People

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Death by “Gun Control”

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  1. Gail Combs says:

    Democide: DEATH BY GOVERNMENT

    ….Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5′, then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century…..

    After eight-years and almost daily reading and recording of men, women, and children by the tens of millions being tortured or beaten to death, hung, shot, and buried alive, burned or starved to death, stabbed or chopped into pieces, and murdered in all the other ways creative and imaginative human beings can devise, I have never been so happy to conclude a project. I have not found it easy to read time and time again about the horrors innocent people have been forced to suffer. What has kept me at this was the belief, as preliminary research seemed to suggest, that there was a positive solution to all this killing and a clear course of political action and policy to end it. And the results verify this. The problem is Power. The solution is democracy. The course of action is to foster freedom.

  2. Neville says:

    Australia has a form of gun control. Perhaps if you post the deaths from “gun control” in Australia, alongside these other countries? Along with the death rate from guns on a per capita basis?

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      What is your point? Are you trying to point out that the Australian government is not killing the citizens despite the fact they are disarmed?

      • Neville says:

        Point is fairly straightforward; the concept of “gun control” occupies a sliding political scale or spectrum – simply controlling proliferation of guns, in a civil society, tends to improve general societal safety, and does not necessarily mean a prelude to some tyrannical takeover. In a post-enlightment society, much “gun control” is internalised. And sometimes (perhaps often) along with a strong internalised determination to not let one’s country go down without a ferocious fight. But that doesn’t mean that an appropriate level of “gun control” within a society is wrong, or weak, or a symptom of apathy or somesuch, just an understanding that generally, the civil society is better off for it. And yes, Australian society is [obviously] not ‘killing the citizens despite that fact that they are [generally speaking] disarmed’.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Point is fairly straightforward; […] simply controlling proliferation of guns, in a civil society, tends to improve general societal safety, …
          … just an understanding that generally, the civil society is better off for it.”

          How did you arrive at that conclusion? Is it a feeling or a sentiment you have, or do you have some evidence to support your claim?

          And yes, Australian society is [obviously] not ‘killing the citizens despite that fact that they are [generally speaking] disarmed’.

          I thought that’s what you were suggesting. What logical connection does it have to Steve’s point?

          German society was one of the most civil societies on Earth before it stopped being so and the government decided to kill millions of the country’s citizens. Now, German society is again one of the most civil on Earth.

          The Turkish government did not kill many Armenians until it decided to kill them all.

          Life in the Soviet Union and the Communist Eastern Block looked very civil most of the time. Do you think it was?

          Do I need to go on?

          And last but not least, would you like to elaborate on your “post-enlightment society” and “internalised gun control” lingo? What is “enlightment” anyway? What the heck are you talking about?

        • Gamecock says:

          Guns are so 19th century.

          “In a post-enlightment society, much “gun control” is internalised.”

          Australia exists at the protection of Great Britain and the United States. Australia has disarmed. They depend on Obama for their survival. That should scare the living **** out of them. They are naked as a jaybird with India and China jockeying for control of the Indian Ocean. Australia will not exist 20 years from now, maybe not 15, but as the colony of an Asian power. Decadence will swallow another country.

    • Gail Combs says:

      GEE, Australian seems to think they have a real problem with their gun control laws.

      I can not find the link I was looking for from a few years ago but the news has this:

      In the seven years from 2005 to 2012, gun murders across Australia almost doubled. The incidence of guns used in kidnappings trebled. The total number of crimes in which a firearm was used rose from 823 in 2005, to 1217 in 2012, an increase of 47 per cent. Source: News Limited

      THERE is a gun battle going on in Australia. As bikie gang members and drug dealers gun each other down on a regular basis, sending fear through the community, authorities seem to be fighting a losing battle to keep firearms out of their hands.

      Without scaremongering, here are the facts:

      * There have been 39 people shot in Sydney this year, most related to an ongoing bikie war.

      * Conservative estimates say there are more than a quarter-of-a-million illegal firearms in Australia.

      * Gun ownership in Australia is back at pre-Port Arthur massacre levels.

      * Carrying a gun is becoming more common and ingrained in outlaw culture.

      * Gun amnesties barely put a dent in the number of weapons.

      * Innocent people are being caught up in gun battles.

      * There has been a steady increase in gun-related crimes over the past seven years….
      http://www.news.com.au/national/is-australia-staring-down-the-barrel-of-a-gun-crisis/story-fncynjr2-1226690018325

      Of course since this is a PROGRESSIVE news source the suggestion is “to call for judges to impose tougher sentences for gun crime”

      Ban guns ===> MORE gun crimes

      This is what historical evidence has been saying for years but no, they can’t let go of their Utopian Vision. They are bound and determined to MAKE reality fit their preconceived ideas. This is straight Marxist Philosophy at work. All they need is ruby slippers to make their wishes into reality. Since they do not have the ruby slippers they use more and more laws and regulations.

      These people can not reason their way out of a paper bag. I have a herd of sheep with more reasoning ability!

      Here is the

      Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics
      It has now been over 10 years since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

      The statistics for the years following the ban are now in:

      Accidental gun deaths are 300% higher than the pre-1997 ban rate
      The assault rate has increased 800% since 1991, and increased 200% since the 1997 gun ban.

      Robbery and armed robbery have increase 20% from the pre-97 ban rate.
      From immediately after the ban was instituted in 1997 through 2002, the robbery and armed robbery rate was up 200% over the pre-ban rates.
      In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 171 percent.

      There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns….

      The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. While the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns. Criminals in Australia now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws ONLY adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.….

      • usJim says:

        * Innocent people are being caught up in gun battles.

        Sound like Mexico; is this what Australia is turning into?

        (‘guns’ are banned in Mexico, too)

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        • kuhnkat says:

          Unless something has changed recently only military calibers are banned in Mexico, although licensing is corrupt and restrictive. Non-citizens are under a full ban.

        • usJim says:

          Mexican ‘gun ownership’ laws are really screwy, effectively banning all guns in the hands of citizens where they do the most good, which is in a holster on a hip … or on the chest under a ‘jacket’ … check out out what their constitution used to allow, compared to the re-writes since the first one which allowed firearms …

      • usJim says:

        From the department of unintended consequences (country bans guns, cops go crooked, drug cartels run rampant over the citizenry):

        The Rise of Mexico’s Self-Defense Forces
        Vigilante Justice South of the Border

        Excerpt:

        On a Tuesday morning in March, with rifles slung over their shoulders, some 1,500 men filed into the Mexican town of Tierra Colorada, which sits on the highway from Mexico City down to the Pacific coast. They seized at gunpoint 12 police officers and a local security official, whom they believed responsible for the murder of their commander. They set up roadblocks, and when a car of Acapulco-bound beachgoers refused to stop, they opened fire and injured a passenger.

        This was not the work of a drug cartel. The men were members of a self-defense group, one of a growing number of vigilante organizations aiming to restore order to Mexican communities. “We have besieged the municipality,” said a spokesperson for the group, “because here criminals operate with impunity in broad daylight.”

        Mexico has suffered staggering levels of violence and crime during the country’s seven-year-long war against the cartels. The fighting has killed 90,000 people so far, a death toll larger, as of this writing, than that of the civil war in Syria. Homicide rates have tripled since 2007. In an effort to stem the carnage, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto announced last December that the federal government, having struggled to defeat the cartels using corrupt local police and an inadequate military, would create an elite national police force of 10,000 officers by the end of this year.

        – – – – –

        More – see link above.

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        • Gail Combs says:

          +1

          Any wonder that the Mexicans come to the USA to stay?

          Another problem for Mexico was NAFTA.

          According to a study by Jose Romero and Alicia Puyana carried out for the federal government of Mexico, between 1992 and 2002, the number of agricultural households fell an astounding 75% – from 2.3 million to 575, 000.
          Romero and Puyana, (2004), Diez años con el TLCAN, las experiencias del sector agropecuario mexican
          link

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          I’ve read good things about the Mexican self-defense forces but I’m afraid Neville would find their use of guns incompatible with civil society and counsel they’d be better off without them. He would say that the Mexican “post-enlightment” society has not yet “internalised an appropriate level of gun control”.

          —–

          Why can’t I stop thinking about Peace for Our Time?

        • usJim says:

          Or “Peace in our time” even …

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Maybe even that, somewhere.

          “My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.”

        • usJim says:

          The statement “My good friends this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honor. I believe it is peace in our time. …” seems to have been delivered when he was in front of 10 Downing Street following his reading of the ‘signed agreement’ reached with H!tler. Accounts are found in the book “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”. The newsreels, I think, only show him reading the agreement on the tarmac after he exited the aircraft on which he flew back from Germany … .

          .

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Yes. If I remember right, he read the Anglo-German memorandum on the tarmac—after some initial remarks—and that’s on the infamous newsreel with people cheering.

          Later that day he read it again at Downing Street and added the paragraph with the “peace for our time” phrase.

          http://www.britannia.com/history/docs/peacetime.html

        • usJim says:

          The front page of the Daily Sketch, 1 October 1938:

          http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/features/frontpage/peace.html

      • Truthseeker says:

        Gail,
        While you make a good point about gun control not controlling criminals, the quote you choose to focus you derision on is actually a good idea …

        “to call for judges to impose tougher sentences for gun crime”

        Gun laws do not affect criminals as has been pointed out on many occassions on this blog. However, it is a good idea to add years to a sentence to any convicted criminal that uses a gun in the execution of a crime. That is the only possible measure that has any chance of modifying a criminals behaviour.

        • Gamecock says:

          “However, it is a good idea to add years to a sentence to any convicted criminal that uses a gun in the execution of a crime. That is the only possible measure that has any chance of modifying a criminals behaviour.”

          No. Armed robbery should be dealt with as armed robbery. You obsess about guns.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          … it is a good idea to add years to a sentence to any convicted criminal that uses a gun in the execution of a crime.

          This is a common sense idea agreed to by all. Just ask people who had been stabbed through the kidneys with a screwdriver, then beaten with a hammer and left for dead in the shop, had a brother beaten to death with baseball bats or had family members tied down and burned alive with the house by criminals disposing of evidence.

          They all say that guns would make such situations more dangerous and must be discouraged in favor of more appropriate tools.

    • methylamine says:

      You really should ascertain the facts of your argument, before making said argument.
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974487/posts

      Crime in Australia has nearly doubled since the “gun ban”; I put it in quotes because in reality guns are banned only for potential victims–criminals inconveniently ignore the ban. In fact, they relish it–for now they can be certain their victims cannot fight back effectively.

      Same story in England. In fact England’s statistics are soul-crushingly dismal–unlike peaceful, low-crime Texas where I live, England’s per-capita rate of violent crime is eight times higher.

      So the clock’s ticking for Australia and England. Their governments haven’t yet decided on their particular Final Solution, but while they ruminate the criminals have free reign.

      I laughed when Piers Morgan kept asking Alex Jones how many GUN murders there were in England…surely a low number. But it struck me as funny because I immediately imagined visitors at the Pearly Gates seeing an officious St. Peter collecting “how’d you die?” statistics, and English visitors wiping their brows…”Phew! I was killed with a KNIFE, you know, and feel ever so much better!”

  3. Neville says:

    I also point out the difference between control of guns in a civil society, and use of guns to defend one’s country.

    • Gail Combs says:

      If you have a civil society you do not NEED gun control legislation.

      The Swiss proved that years ago.

    • Ernest Bush says:

      Again, what is your point? After confiscation and mass destruction of guns in Australia violent crimes against its citizens actually have gone up, espencially robbery and home invasions. So the government is still benevolent? It still causes the deaths of its citizens by not protecting them from criminals and by not allowing them to protect themselves.

    • tom0mason says:

      Your definition of a ‘civil society’ does not included the right to defend oneself?
      Should I presume to say that in your ‘civil society’ crimainal actions don’t happen, disputes between individuals and families can’t happen, violent outsiders can never arrive to cause mayhem?
      Or does everyone live happily ever after?

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        Your definition of a ‘civil society’ does not included the right to defend oneself?

        Affirmative. Self-defense is an outdated concept that will be eliminated in a fully-developed classless society as crime will disappear.

        “And of course, the reason is that we’ve proved that Communism works. If you give everybody a good government job, there’s no crime.”

        Congressman Joe Garcia, D-Fla.

        http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/05/21/joe-garcia-d-fla-weve-proved-communism-works

        • tom0mason says:

          Oh I see, so once everyone is employed they’ll be no murders.
          Ummm, nice theory.
          Tell Joe that Kim Jong-un says the people of North Korea approve of his message.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          I’d pass it on but I’m hearing the story just got more complicated. You see, Marxist scholars assumed until now that widespread famines, cannibalism and eating one’s own earwax in Communist societies is just a necessary but temporary condition in the class struggle against the bourgeoisie.

          But a new theory proposes that eating one’s own earwax is the necessary pre-condition for Progressives who aspire to overcome the corrupt mindset and social norms of the bourgeoisie and develop their revolutionary consciousness.

          Congressman Garcia, not Kim Jong-un, may be the true vanguard of the movement:

          http://time.com/99049/congressman-eats-earwax-on-cspan

        • Gail Combs says:

          And this guy is from FLORIDA??? Home of the drug trafficers?

          Perhaps we should send him to Mexico or Columbia for a few years, with just the shirt on his back, to ‘Enlighten him’

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Translation for readers not familiar with the Progressive vocabulary (not you Tom and Gail):

          Congressman Garcia doesn’t give a rat’s ass what Kim Jong-un thinks. These guys have egos.

  4. Pathway says:

    More guns less crime. I’m not going to break into my neighbors house because she packs a .44 mag. Really.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Darn right.
      After several frustrating years trying to get our local drug pusher/thief in jail (And yes I knew who it was and had witnesses and plenty of evidence, however the local drug lords OWNED the cops.) I finally used a 22. I have not had any more theft or dead animals – AMAZING {:>D

    • Ernest Bush says:

      Actually, yes. Car jacking and home invasions have fallen drastically in Arizona since the state gave citizens more freedom to protect themselves. Most violent crimes involve the illegal alien slave trade and drug gangs, all sponsored by the drug cartels.

  5. Robertv says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/05/27/emma-watson-sat-next-to-armed-guard-at-brown-university-graduation-ceremony/?intcmp=features

    “A Brown University rep says he is unable to answer questions about why Emma Watson had an undercover armed guard with her during graduation ceremonies.”

    You see Emma Watson doen’t need to have a gun.

  6. jdseanjd says:

    Here in the UK, Tony Bliar banned handguns in the wake of the March1996 Dunblane massacre of 16 Scottish primary school children, & their teacher.
    By 2009, gun crime had almost doubled, & deaths were up 104% :
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/culture-violence-gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
    2013, Slimy Tony’s daughter is held at gunpoint in an attempted mugging.
    July, 2013, Lo & Behold, crime figures are way down! The cops are under pressure to cook the books.
    http://www.ukcolumn.org & go to the article with the cops in high-viz yellow jackets. “It’s not a crime unless you get caught.”
    Jan, 2014, Nigel Farage is dismissed as Blundering, crazy talking, when he wants the gun ban repealed : http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-calls-end-gun-3058380

    At first, the slimy bliar said the ban was about the crime figures. When these rocketed, he said it was about the gang culture. When this got worse, he said….nowt.
    OH how I would dearly love to see this grinning murderer in the dock, for crimes against Humanity.
    He had his best year ever, last year. He earned £13 million, not bad for a Labour man.
    Almost £10 quid per dead Iraqi.
    He was on our TV recently, rubbishing Farage. Not a word on policy, just meaningless invective.

    Last Thursday, Farage trounced Labour & Tory in the European elections.
    First time in over 100 years a National election has not been won by one of the two major parties.

    I had a very satisfying pint or three.

    You cannot fool all the people, all the time, & the wind is shifting.

  7. Gail Combs says:

    Congratulations on the UKIP and Farage win.

    Fabian Tony Blair is certainly interesting, especially since he was supposed to be a ‘Friend’ of Gadhafi.

    Here are bits and pieces of news stories that add up to a very nasty whole. Blair has enough blood on his hand as you suggested and it is not just the blood of dead Iraqi.

    “Former UK PM, Tony Blair a UK Fabian Society leader is appointed Middle East envoy working on behalf of the US, Russia, the UN and the EU….” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6244358.stm

    Blair is also in the pay of the bankers:
    “Jan 28, 2008 … Tony Blair will be paid £2.5m a year for his post at US investment bank JP Morgan, it was revealed today. (wwwDOT)dailymail.co.uk/news/article-508157/Tony-Blairs-time-bank-job-make-times-expected.html

    I do not think it was a coincidence that a FABIAN SOCIETY PHAMPHLET: “From Dictator to Democracy” was spotted several times in Egypt.:

    2/25/2011
    As journalists have sought to untangle the disparate threads that unite these uprisings, one of the most interesting revelations has been a common reference to a dusty — but still relevant — book, “From Dictatorship to Democracy.”

    Earlier this month, the New York Times proclaimed its author, Gene Sharp, a “shy intellectual” who had created “the playbook for revolution” — noting that his work was posted on the Muslim Brotherhood website during the Egyptian uprising, and was cited equally among Tunisians, Bosnians and Estonians in their quest for freedom. So far, it has been translated into 41 languages….

    (wwwDOT)politicsdaily.com/2011/02/25/after-egypt-and-libya-whats-next-for-those-still-under-dictato/

    Who has free e-books including Gene Sharp’s “From Dictatorship to Democracy?”
    Fabian Essays In Socialism: (wwwDOT)bestebooksworld.com/ebook/16953/

    So one wonders exactly WHAT Blair was doing to earn that £2.5m a year from J.P. Morgan.

    This story may have the answer: Gadhafi’s Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar

    Do not forget that Gadhafi’s son was going to the Fabian founded London School of Economics (thanks to Tony Blair) and I am certain was interested in Economics (or at least his father was.) So what would be the talk of the campus???

    In Sept. 15, 2010 “A Bill to Fight Crony Capitalism” (Wall Street Journal – Opinion Europe section) “The radical reform that would end boom and bust in banking,” (Telegraph.co.uk.) The basic ideas behind the proposed bill are influenced by the work of the Austrian economist Huerta de Soto and Austrian economists were invited to make presentations before Parliament. This would not make the Central bankers happy.

    With that as background, here are some snippets from the story.

    It remains unclear exactly why or how the Gadhafi regime went from “a model” and an “important ally” to the next target for regime change in a period of just a few years. But after claims of “genocide” as the justification for NATO intervention were disputed by experts, several other theories have been floated…..

    According to more than a few observers, Gadhafi’s plan to quit selling Libyan oil in U.S. dollars — demanding payment instead in gold-backed “dinars” (a single African currency made from gold) — was the real cause. The regime, sitting on massive amounts of gold, estimated at close to 150 tons, was also pushing other African and Middle Eastern governments to follow suit.

    And it literally had the potential to bring down the dollar and the world monetary system by extension, according to analysts. French President Nicolas Sarkozy reportedly went so far as to call Libya a “threat” to the financial security of the world. The “Insiders” were apparently panicking over Gadhafi’s plan.

    “Any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world’s central banks,” noted financial analyst Anthony Wile,….

    What is interesting is the BRICS countries are doing the exact same thing as Gadhafi was. Stock piling gold and forming an international bank that challenges the World Bank and IMF….

    China and Russia have been unhappy with the US dollar as world reserve currency ever since The Bernanke started inflating the heck out of it in 2008. This may also be the explanation behind the escalation of hostilities in the Crimea.

    BRICS countries = Brazil, Russia, India, China, South America

    • tom0mason says:

      Not that different from Sadam selling oil to the Chinese (and legally getting around UN/US sanctions) and getting paid in Euros/gold, before a war started. He also went from darling of the West to demon. But then Sadam knew too much about the Iran-Contra/Oliver North fiasco.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Amazing how the “News” we are fed by the MSM has zero to do with the reality of the situation but if you do some digging you can sometimes find bits and pieces that shed a bit of light.

        One of the more intriguing cover-ups is the true story about the massacre of the ‘youth summer’ camp in Norway. Turns out it was a camp for young politician hopefuls and a little bit of leaking indicated it was not just for young members of Norway’s socialist governing party but for young up and coming types from all over the world.

        More interesting is the fact the gunman waited around to ‘Deliver a Message’ but I really doubt we will ever know what that message really was. Of course the MSM has to make it look like a crazy shooting up a kiddie camp but one does wonder….

        • tom0mason says:

          After the Workers’ Youth League (AUF) shooting it is noteworthy to see during that time the Norway/Denmark/Sweden clean-up of groups that were supposedly similar to Anders Behring Breivik’s group that he rarely (if ever) met with.
          The part that does not make sense is that if he is mad, or worse, what damage can his Facebook account and his 1,500-page manifesto do? Nothing? Where is it now?

          As the BBC report says

          “His 1,500-page manifesto – authored by “Andrew Berwick”, the Anglicised version of his name – gives a detailed account of the author’s “preparation phases”, apparently for an “armed struggle” which he says seems “futile at this point but… is the only way forward”.

          The manifesto, called 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, minutely elaborates the author’s belief that a process of [Maxism and] “Islamisation” is under way. “

          Or is that the ‘safe’ version, the one to keep you quiet?

        • Gail Combs says:

          So you smelled something fishy with the MSM version of events too.

          Of course it also depends on your definition of “Crazy” The soviet Union had there definition and now CAGW pushers like Lewandowsky are trying to come up with a new definition.

  8. gofer says:

    “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” –George Mason, Speech During Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

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